This also explains why you get sent to the crumbling city after the erdtree is set aflame. Melina likely used her last shards of power to send you to where Destined Death is locked away, so that you may release it.

I think the blackflame monks betrayed their duty to watch over the giant's flame, not that they betrayed the gloam-eyed queen. A spitit summon, Amon, was a fire monk that turned traitor and swore fealty to the black flame. And it would be weird to be seduced by the black flame and then betray the queen of it. But other than that, this is a cool theory.

So, theory: The reason the player, Melina's chosen champion can become so powerful is because they are HER champion, thus empowered by death itself. There must be a reason why out of so many other tarnished, only the player succeeds at anything. The other ones couldn't even beat Godrick - and he was a f*ckin' chump.

It also helps to know how Elden Ring names its Characters. There is an inordiante amount of characters whose names start with R, M, or G. The letter that a characters name begins with is a direct result of their parents names. All the children born to Radagon and Rennala are given an R name. All the children born of Marika and Godfrey are given a G name or an M name. All of the children born of Marika and Radagon are given an M name (only M because radagon is Marika). The empyrean's born of Marika are all given names that begin with M and end with A. Miquella, Malenia, and, in accordance with the titles afforded by the Elden naming system, Melina.

Melina's line "as sure as night follows day" fits in with the Dusk-Eyed Queen theory as well. Rune of death abilities are also holy damage, and Melina uses holy powers when summoned.

“As sure as Night follows Day. Such is my duty” She is talking about Dusk. Just another cool little hint

I’ve watched a few theories about the Gloam-eyed queen but this is the first one that really made me feel closer to understanding her importance within the actual game itself. I think you’re spot on about her being Melina, she’s certainly in control of Melina at the very least. Great video

This was a very good theory and another possible bit of evidence is that in Maliketh's boss room there is a statue of a woman surrounded by three wolves, and Ranni provides us with a spirit summon of three wolves when providing us with the summoning bell that belonged to 'Torrents former master'.

Theres a few details that you missed that I think are important: Firstly an additional nod to Melina being the gloam eyed queen is a nod in the dialogue when she says "...as night follows day...". What is night that follows day? Gloam. Next, Ranni and Melina are the only 2 people that seem to be familiar with Torrent, more evidence some sort of connection between the two. Lastly, Melina doesnt seem to be able to "walk the lands between", she only is seen at sites of grace (or close to one at least when you first see her) which are tied to the Erdtree. So she must have her spirit entwined with the Erdtree somehow.

Few things here: 1) A lot of things connect her to the black knife assassins, like her moveset in combat when summoned for example. Why would she be part of their order, doesn't make much sense 2) The face next to Ranni is not proven to be her. The most logical explanation, is that that face is Rannis soul controlling the puppet-body

COLORS ARE EVERYTHING. The only purple or pink in the game is related to either St Trina/Godskins, Gravity, and the Gloam Eyed Queen. Melina is the only character we see with PINK HAIR. And in the ending cutscene of the Frenzied Flame ending, her closed eyed is revealed to be purple. From the trailer they say, "An affair from which gold arose." Who was conceived at the Erdtree? MELINA. Maybe thats why she wants it burned. The only ones able to put us to sleep in the game was Ranni when she gave us torrent and Melina puts us to sleep just before burning the Erdtree. Every evergoeal is related to those on the plot of the assassination of Godwyn. This part is speculation but maybe the Gloam Eyed Queen is maybe in some form,Melina, hence the same missing eyes. Maybe she was trying to reclaim HER throne from Marika, therefore BURNING everything Marika stood for and represents. Theres a reason fire and giants flame incantations were BANNED. See also bloodflame. Marika took the rune of Death thereby sealing everyone's fate unwillingly to the Erdtree. The godskins and Gloam Eyed Queen are "god slayers" therefore killing all those related to the Golden Order and Marika. And look up the definition of gloam. Also the LOST GRACE in the "roundtable hold" is veiled and away from the mainland. In the trailer again it is stated, "A war never seen" and "A purge without GRACE or HONOR". Maybe we were in the shadow lands this whole time. Anyone notice how the Erdtree looks like its being "cast" or "projection", almost like the ghosts that walk around and guide you to the catacombs? Like a projection of Marika's Golden Order on top of which once was NOT considered blasphemous. But in Shadow of the Erdtree trailers, it looks REAL and an actual physical tree. I think the golden tree is a false projection on top of the real tree below in the Depths. And that's where Godwyn is...

I think Melina is the Gloam-Eyed queen. I think she was Marika's preferred daughter and that Marika shared with Melina, Ranni and Miquella her plan to evade the Greater Will's influence: Melina agreed to all of it, even if it meant getting killed by Maliketh and losing destined death and her memory. She wouldn't lose her substance though, she would still be the same. Maybe she went into the land of shadows to retrieve Torrent, who is likely Miquella's steed; so did Ranni. Maybe even Mogh abducting Miquella was planned: he, being the strongest of the Empyreans and having the allure of a God, was the less likely to obey Marika, hence her making Mogh abducting him and sealing him into the realm of shadow, and Mogh recieving power in exchange. Then Marika sent Messmer to the land of shadows to avoid people from knowing where Miquella had gone. Ranni's part was to unleash the Shattering. We, of course, will have to wait for the dlc to come out, but everything is tied to it: Ranni is a spirit, having forsworn her physical body; Melina is as well; and Miquella is trapped in the land of shadows, and is prevented from escaping by Messmer. Also, the black knives assasins can become invisible, as shadows: and in one of the dlc's posters there are metaphysical veils over the land of shadows, which would hide it. But why is all this so complicated? Well, Marika doesn't want anyone to know the full picture, nor to be able to stop everything, right?

I'm not sure if her followers betrayed her. I interpret their presence in Farum Azula to be similar to the Darkwraiths who fight their way to the Abyss Watchers in DS3; they're there to challenge Maliketh. With the item descriptions describing the intimacy between the queen and her followers, as well as maliketh taking their powers away, I would be hesitant to believe that they just decided to side with him. Thats just a hunch though, and I could be wrong.

Interesting that the scar/tattoo on her right eye seems to be faded out in the Frenzied Flame ending too, suggesting that it was a "seal" on her power

Its a long shot, but I'd love to see a DLC that expands out after the flame of frenzy ending

Melina, Godwyn, and Miquella are all characters I PRAY get all the focus in the Elden Ring DLCs! They’re all so mysterious and interesting, I also hope there will be a sequel that will cover these characters as well

One very important point told by Enia: "For the flame to burn the Erdtree, a sacrifice is needed. *Of one who envisions the flame.* Melina had that ability while us players had to inherit (envision) the Frenzied Flame to become the sacrifice. This could only means Melina already envisioned at least one type of flames in the lore, and the Destined Death is in a form of (Black) flame.

Really fantastic stuff, I love how you put a heavy emphasis on gathering info through concrete sources such as item descriptions and direct dialogue. I find a lot of theories nowadays are typically personal headcannons with any contradictions thrown away

I think you're exactly right. I think Melina is the GEQ, and what you said at the end is important: if Melinda does not die burning the Erdtree, which only happens if we've accepted the flame of frenzy before burning the tree, then when we kill Maliketh and release the rune of death, the GEQ is restored to her former self. It's interesting to note that if we let Melina burn the tree, and THEN go meet the three fingers the GEQ does not show up in the frenzied flame ending. Kind of deals the deal on Melina being GEQ

I think its interesting that they call her the Dusk-eyed Queen before she's defeated by Maliketh and the Gloam-eyed Queen after she's defeated. Dusk is the time before the sunset and Gloam is the time immediately after the sunset.

This was put together way better than any other lore ab the gloam eyed queen

Rani + Melina = Hel Hel is the half-dead goddess of the underworld in Norse mythology, and the child of a red-haired fire god named Loki (probably Radagon).

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I think her spill a out destined death at the end of the frenzied flame ending is pretty good evidence. Plus the glowing eye. It's just weird that more isn't said anywhere else in the world about another demi-god child of queen Marika. Melina might as well not exist.

I think youtubers and theorists are getting too caught up with Empyreans needing to be descended from gods/Marika. I believe demi-gods such as Ranni and Malenia were chosen because of the god blood they carry but that doesn't mean the fingers can't choose someone else for another reason. Marika herself is said to have come from the Numen, and it is never said she was born to god parents.

Wow I wasn’t convinced before watching this, but I think you’ve won me over. The beast eye was something I hadn’t even considered.

Her : I'll deliver you what is yours, destined death. Me, who just killed gods and everything in the lands between : bitch, take a look at my rivers of blood....

I actually agree with the theory that the gloam eyed queen is melina, but I think she may actually be a sibling to Marika, rather than a daughter. We know Marika herself is an Empyrean, since she has Maliketh as her shadow. It could be that Melina was essentially a fallback plan, possessing the rune of Destined Death would have meant Marika couldn't act out too much or Melina would have had to step in. Marika of course didn't want any of this and set a plan into motion to both steal Destined Death, sealing it away with Maliketh. Melina then joins later with the player character, initially unsure what her purpose was considering she was never meant to act as a maiden, never meant to get anyone to be Elden Lord. Once she realizes the Erdtree itself will reject anyone, she then strikes a new Deal with the player to break open up the Erdtree as well as sending you to where Destined Death can be found, so that you may actually fulfill Melinas original purpose.

In the frenzied flame ending your character faints and dies, after that someone (shabriri?) posesses your body. So Melina vows to bring you destined death not to punish you, but to free your flesh from the demon wearing it like a suit.

I personally can’t see the godapostles betraying the queen. Because we never really see examples of them being power hungry but we do see them gather strength to fight against those of the order and any other’s that stands in their way but it does make sense that the fire monks would likely become obsessive over this power. Since godapostles where used to using the power of flame since they were created for that purpose so it makes sense that they would use the fire monks for their own gain.🐱

Hm, maybe Ranni got the idea to burn and discard her empyrean body after seeing what happened to Melina. Melina says herself that she was burnt and made bodiless. Maybe that is what destined death does to gods; strips them of their empyrean-ness and makes them ordinary powerless inhabitants of the lands between. (I still do not get what these lands are actually between)

5:49 she only says this extra dialog if you accept the frenzied flame before she sacrifices herself.

"KZfaq told me that 98%" Aaaaaand we're done here

It seems to me that the Gloam-eyed Queen and Miquella might've had similar motives: Both wishing to devise methods of suppressing and defending against the parasitic influence of Outer Gods.

I have watched so many videos and read so many posts about this topic and most of it lines up. But you're the first I see to bring the foot of the erdtree (Melina's place of birth) together with Godwyn's body). What a find, this is awesome!

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The Black Flame Monk reference to betrayal is the Monks betraying their guardianship of the giant's flame of ruin, not the Gloam Eyed Queen

Another point that can add to this making sense is that all children born of Marika and Radagon are cursed. Malenia with her rot Miquella with his ageing and it would make sense if Melina's were "death". The power of "Death" would fit in line with the curse idea of these children as it is unnatural for the lands between as is Scarlet Rot and Miquella's age thing.

Sir this is the best insight video of Gloam - Eyed queen I've seen so far! Thanks for the info!

That was pretty good! hmmm??? You've given me a lot of food for thought. Thank you for putting this out, you're awesome bro. keep up the good work!

I've always thought that either Ranni or Melina was somehow the Gloam-Eyed Queen, but this is the first video that actually makes me go "Yeah, it's definitely Melina." Most of the games lore made sense to me, but I couldn't piece together the relationship between Ranni, Melina, and the Gloam-Eyed Queen.

I thought I would mention Vargram the raging wolf, as it seems he was loyal to the dusk eyed queen, when you invade him he is wielding the godslayer greatsword, and his armors description is According to the old legends, wolves are the shadows of the Empyrean. Vargram aspired to such a state himself. This would indicate to myself he is the shadow of the dusk eyed Queen, I would love to see more coverage on vargram as very little is known about him.

You just blew my mind man, amazing!

I am fking addicted to all the lore videos after rushing to finish the game, imma take my time on my 2nd play-through thats for sure.

This is definitely a sound theory Personally, I think Melina was a secret child for most of her life, hidden away in a little chamber off the elevator to the Forbidden Lands. Perhaps (like Hela in Thor Ragnarok) she was even the first child of Marika, in the days before the great and heroic battles of Godfrey and Radagon, who helped the goddess and her loyal Black Knife Assassins first establish the groundwork for the Golden Order through more surreptitious means. But eventually, as the Golden Order became a great power that could win its battles through overpowering might, Melina and the darker facets of Marika were hidden away, and the entire purpose of her existence became housing the Rune of Death, so that Marika and her order could live forever But all things are destined to die. And being the living embodiment of Destined Death, that rule being broken so egregiously must eat away at you. Look at what it's done to poor Maliketh, after all So Melina created the persona of the Gloam-eyed queen to try to bring death back to the demigods, only to eventually be defeated by Maliketh (possibly using the Flame of Ruin to destroy her body, and in a strange twist of fate, make her the perfect kindling for that flame to eventually burn the Erdtree?)

Me watching The Ashen Hollow's GEQ video, "Oh, obviously Marika is the GEQ." Me watching this video just a few minutes afterwards, "Oh, obviously Melina is the GEQ."

Loved this!

I have an entire blackflame build so its very interesting to hear the lore behind this stuff lol

This makes the Chaos Lord ending seem like it's much more canon than the other endings but I am curious what future DLC will uncover lore wise

5:53 melina is such a badass

I believe Marika ordered her brother to take Melina's Rune because she refused to seal it away herself. Melina was very dedicated to her duties (she kept following her purpose after death and when alive, she was part of the Black Knives, judging from her move set), while Marika wished to orchestrate the shattering, and for that, she needed to make it seem like she's acting in the favour of Greater Will. Destined Death could kill both the soul and the body, leaving nothing for the Tree to feed on. I doubt that the Greater Will was happy about it, but the Rune was still created; probably, to kill those who come from the Frenzied Flame. On the other hand, with that Rune, Melina could also kill Marika if the Greater Will demands so. Hence, it was better to seal it away and make it seem like your intention was to make everyone fight for eternity. There are also Stakes of Marika, which prevent us from dying when we fight strong enemies. Marika needed those to create a strong tarnished who could become the next Lord and change the Order. With Destined Death around, that could not be possible because the Stakes would not function. Hence, it is safe to assume that Marika demanded Melina to seal Death away and Melina refused, as it contradicted her initial purpose to bring death. There is also a possibility that the fight for the Rune was staged. Of course, Maliketh did not know about that, but the Gloam-eyed Queen died on purpose. There are several things that led me to this conclusion. First, we can find her "children" - Godskins - in Volcano Manor, where those, who rebel against the Tree, chose to stay. This means that Melina could be one of the rebels. Second, she knows Marika's plan word-by-word, meaning that she was standing near her when she spoke, even during her secret conversation with Radagon. Third, she said: "I was born at the foot of the Erdtree. Where mother gave me my purpose. Though now, everything is lost to me. I...have to ascertain for myself. The reason for which I live, burned and bodiless." She burned because of her purpose, but we do not know what that purpose is. The only thing we know is that it was given to her by Marika. We do not even know when that happened. It appears that no one remembers her as Marika's daughter, as if she was born in secret. Or re-born even. Marika and Melina had the same status. They were Queens. Melina was a Black Knive assassin, so she's likely a Numen. My guess is that she's Marika's sister. I would not trust a random person to wield Death. She did not like the Order and Marika shared her opinion at some point. Two Queens made up a plan, according to which the Order will fall. Melina fought Maliketh but lost on purpose to trick the Greater Will into thinking that Marika solved the rebellion problem. This could win Marika some trust. Then Marika restored her using Radagon's Rune, which eventually made her connected to Ranni, and gave her a new purpose. Melina helped Ranni kill Godwyn properly, and this was what Marika asked her to do. This whole theory is pure speculation, but I like the idea. It's fun

Another thing worth mentioning: You can summon Melina for the Morgott fight and there is cut content of a boss fight against Melina datamined by Zullie. The interesting thing about this is that Melina has the same moveset as the black knife assassins. Which in turn are again linked to the rune of death and rani.

Just so you know, the "T" in apostles is not pronounced.

Interesting assumption that Gloam Eyed Queen may be Marika's child. I always thought they were competitors of a same generation for the title of God, before Marika win and start the "golden age".

You and Vaati got me back into Elden Ring this last week. It's a little tonight to pick up a 90 hr save and know where to go but I'm almost done with the 1st playthrough and plan on at least another now.

This also fits somewhat nicely with Gurranq having the beast eye (assuming that it is her eye). He likely would have been her equivalent of Maliketh or Blaidd. There's also a connection to be made with the deathroot he eats and the rune of death used against Godwyn, as the roots grow from his corpse.

I think Melina is the result of an attempt to rebirth Ranni, but the cursemark meant that Ranni's original Spirit still existed, and that a physical body couldn't take form. And since Ranni is an Empyrean, her copy became a suitable vassal for the Outer God of Death. At least I think that serves as a decent explanation as to why Melina and Ranni are fundamentally the same, while still each having unique agencies that drive them forward. Originally I'd felt like Ranni was cunning enough for Melina to be regarded as her, under alias, working the same plan from a different angle (in case you aren't privy to the Age of Stars). However I don't think they'd emphasize Melina's conviction to the Cardinal Sin being of her own choosing to such an extent, and/or her purpose as granted by her mother. It's absolutely still plausible, I'm just not so sure they'd do something so elaborate. Renna explicitly exists, but Renna is very similar to Ranni in her demeanor. But Melina is so similar to Pyra in Xenoblade Chronicles 2, that maybe FromSoft is diving into Freudian influences. 🤷🏽‍♂.

A lot of people are in agreement with Melina being the Gloam-Eyed Queen, but this interpretation is probably the most sound in the specifics, especially with her connection to Ranni and Godwyn, and the Beast Eye possibly being her eye.

Recently I thought about it and watched possibly all videos covering Melinas story, read wiki with item descriptions etc. and I think you're right, that Melina might be even the power or the Rune of Death itself, it's very logical. When it (she) was sealed - she forgot what was her true purpose - Destined Death. For me she is personification of balance in cycle of life and death in the lands between - Goldness and Darkness; when you look at Blade of Calling and Black Knife - both have skills named Blade of Death and Blade of Gold... We - player as Tarnished - and Melina cross ways to restore the balance. I hope the DLC will do more justice to her story, since she is one of the most mysterious characters in fromsoft games, but possibly that's what make her so fascinating.:) Keep up the great work!

Burned and bodiless is very much like the corpse at the top of the Liurnia Tower, which we also suspect is ranni. So it seems like there would be a link between Melina and Ranni, with Melina having some sort of physical existence and Ranni existing only in spirit/ possession form.

I think Melina is the Gloam-Eyed Queen’s daughter. Their tattoo, hair color, and mannerisms are different. I believe the GEQ was improved in the Erdtree due to her defeat by Maliketh, and she is released by us burning it. I also believe the GEQ was Ranni’s mentor. Her two different-colored eyes could be representative of her power over both fire and ice, and so could the double helix pattern of the GEQ’s sword, the Godslayer Greatsword.

2:50 Empyreans are actually just chosen by the Greater Will for godhood ascension. It could very well be that Marika and the Gloam Eyed Queen were chosen during a previous cycle, or that even that the Gloam Eyed Queen was the bearer of the Elden Ring before Marika, and Marika experienced a similar journey to us in order to wrest that power from the GEQ.

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Super vidéo et explication !

To add onto this, and now, this is just thought process, I have always been suspicious of melina, in the starter area, during the questline is the only time I've noticed this, but there is a maiden behind where you first initially come into the world at, however she is dead, mr. Youhavenomaidens, sends you there to collect her blood, why, I have no idea, weird fetish or whatever, however it is strange, where you are deemed to come into the world at, there is a killed maiden, and you are all of a sudden maidenless which seems very strange as everybody seems to look down on you for it, then out of nowhere melina, who has been observing you apparently comes out and helps you, guides you along the way and if you go through with the frenzied flame ending, is mad, even though she says her duty as a maiden is to guide you to become elden lord, I know the frenzied flame lord and elden lord is different however to support your claim as to the fact that she seems to be trying to sort of defeat her mother, trying to guide you to take her place because she was mad about the fact that her mother sent somebody to usurp her true power, I feel melina is the true villain, that she truly wants for the world to die however at her disposal, at her hand, she wants to do a sort of ethnic cleansing of the world, sounds familiar cough cough WWII, but enough of that. She also knows ranni really well, who had that one black blade weapon formed to become powerful enough to kill a god with it, what god would you want to kill so badly that you commit a grave sin, well of course, the one god that really matters, and you notice how rannis questline ending, melina isn't mad, well that's because shes friends with ranni and together they have the same goal, to see their mother never have a chance to stand against them. None of this is backed up however it's just the thought process of my 600 hours playing and having suspicion of melina from the start, analyzing her constantly.

Melina's spelling and sound is extremely similar to the world melanin, refering to the darkening pigment in skin and eyes. In Scottish the word gloam even means "to darken". Ranni's name in Hindi can be translated as "queen" or "female ruler" Renna can be translated as "reborn" in the same language. It's also uncanny that Ranni/Renna is colored blue and has four arms EXACTLY like the Hindu goddess of death Kali, whose name also happens to mean "She Who is Black/Death" Gloam-eyed Queen --> Melina/Ranni/Renna confirmed

to deliver you what is yours destined death.. send me the chills everytime

The Frenzied Flame ending is the one I havent unlocked yet, so seeing this cutscene is actually mega hype, and it actually makes a lot of sense. All we can do is wait and see if the DLC sheds a little more light on this and other characters

A do not think Maliketh takes death from Melina, there are many item descriptions of Marika Giving/Gifting Destined Death to her brother, Maliketh who is to Marika what Blaidd is to Ranni.

Aye, you mentioned Godwin is surviving through the erdtree roots. What if the second giant face in the underground with the litch dragon is her orignal body and she has been "dead" for a long time but the shattering and the rune of death not being in place meant that her punishment is to live without a body but ranni merge herself together with her so she could also use puppets. Since her and ranni don't have true bodies they can't rebirth hence they just exist perpetually and have the deepest lore. That means Godwins soul is out and about somewhere maybe?

Man I love Elden Ring’s lore. So creative and so cool

In the ending scene of the Frenzied Flame ending, When she looked directly at me I got the chills man. Is she going to kill since I made my character seek the flame? I’m doomed aren’t I?

I think Melina and Ranni are the same person just like how Marika and Radagon are the same. The fracture came from when Ranni died. Her mind split into both of them and we are seeing what Ranni looked like when she was alive through how Melina appears. The ending after the tree is destroyed is actually both of the fused together. You can actually see Melina's face as the ghostly projection out of Ranni's face. The split most likely occurred because of the desire to restore the golden order and take it over. This is why when you choose the frenzy flame her golden eye is gone. The golden order is dead and so her eye turns white. This allows for their differing opinions to no longer exist. A choice was made and they return to the same person to now carry out a new goal. Destined Death as she always did before but without the golden order this time.

I think its actually somewhat implied that any demi-god can be an empyrean, they just need to be chosen to be one by the greater will/fingers. Both Ranni stating that her fingers chose her to be an empyrean and Marika herself being one despite being part of the numen people imply this. So the dusk eyed queen could just be a unrelated person chosen to be an empyrean (tho its still very likely to be Melina)

Great video! Hopefully more to come in DLCs!

I really want to learn more about this character because as little as is told in the story about her, but her being hinted at, I believe she's going to possibly play a major role in the eventual upcoming expansion for this game.

Given that being an empyrian does not specificy which god, my guess is that the gloam eyed queen is the goddess of the moon and ranni is her daughter. Radagon + Rennala become her adoptive parents after she was born Perhaps this is why Ranni attempted to lose her greater will influence tied to her mortal body, because she is actually daughter of the moon (gloamed eyed queen) goddess and wants her goddess to be in charge instead (?) And would also make more sense as to why she murdered godwyn and knew about how the death mechanic works. Her mom used to guard the rune of death. Perhaps?

So the title of being an Empyrian has two requirements: the first one is that you're a Numen. That's an ancient race outside of the Lands Between compatible to receive the powers of an Outer God. The second requirement is that you have to become a candidate chosen by an Outer God to rule under their banner. Once you fulfill these requirements, you're obtaining the title of Empyrian. So Ranni, Miquella and Malenia were Numen, just like Marika. The Gloam-Eyed Queen apparently was one as well so she too came from beyond the fog. So the question here is if Destined Death isn't some Outer God as well, basically being the Greater Will's only nemesis. So sealing Destined Death was basically imprisoning the influence of an Outer God, similar to the Frenzied Flame. There is also the question if Melina isn't a Numen as well since apparently Marika is her mother as well so perhaps she's another secret child. After the Lord of Frenzied Flame ending, by sparing Melina you get to see the secret cutscene where Melina swears to deliver us Destined Death while having one eye glowing purple. So she probably sided with Destined Death and basically became the next Gloam-Eyed Queen. So perhaps one DLC might be Godskin related where Melina is your new arch nemesis if you take in the Frenzied Flame. If Melina really is a secret child of Marika, she's clearly a Numen as her first letter implies that she's another selfcest child being born from Marika banging herself as Radagon. So in that case, she's cursed as well so she probably has some shady shit going on as well.

Loving them so far and some line with my expeculation did the frenzy endind but after she burnes damn it wanted to see her eye

A movie trilogy about Melina, starting with her waging massive-scale war wielding Destined Death in service of her mother, to her travelling with a Tarnished champion who chooses the Flame of Frenzy to save her, to stealing Destined Death back one last time so she can duel the Lord of Chaos one on one above the ashes of the Golden Order, would be absolutely worth waiting ten or so years for them to produce it all.

Please stop calling Gloam a colour, it’s a time

I had the Melina theory too because her closed eye is probably her gloamed eye.

“However,let’s get a little deeper w/ this” Me: oooh baby

Melina's Blade of Calling being a 1-for-1 identical copy of a Black Knife, aside from Destined Death, is a fun little tidbit that adds some evidence.

Damn I think you nailed it bro. Everything stated makes a ton of sense.

Just gonna say it: the Gloam-eyed Queen seems like the kind of character hinted at in the main game that we're gonna see in a DLC. The Godskin Apostles didn't have an area all for themselves in the game, but I feel like they should, and it only makes sense that the final boss of such an expansion should be the Gloam-Eyed Queen.

"as sure as night folllows day " = dusk

Melina after me getting the flame of frenzy: You are no longer fit. Me: *fails to do one push up *sad tarnished noises

Some evidence that I haven’t really seen too often is after you inherit the frenzy flame when Melina says to you “I will kill you, as sure as night follows day” is extremely accurate to the actual definition of gloam, the definition being “the time of day immediately following sunset” I know it’s pretty minor but I thought it’d be worth mentioning

Her foggy eye and her constant ushering of destined death which is what the gloam eyed queen enforced as well now definitely makes me think she was the dusk queen

'as sure as night follows day' like... DUSK?! never noticed that little line 🤯

This just hit me. Notice the way Melina behaves or talks about Torrent. Clearly there is a connection between her "love to her followers of the black flame" and her love to Torrent which is also kind of her "follower" or in her care at least before she gives him to us.

Amazing Video

A few weeks away before the dlc, these all make a lot of sense. All the videos of the speculation they all are similar with Melina is a very important character

Not gonna lie that video was badass i always suspected melena was a player but thats a huge part that frenzied flame ending kinda put the nail in the coffin for me i think your definitely on to something

I got you bro. Great video and many more to come I see. Thank you.

Lol literally just hit sub after the guilt trip and heard the thank you that caught me by surprise lol

Remember when we release the death rune from the black blade and the erdtree gets like way more on fire? I didn't understand the correlation but maybe melina got powered up.

that was a great video my dude. new sub❤

when maliketh stabs the death rune a gem the same eye color as melina left eye (at the end frenzied flames ending) appears. also the name of all the empyrean children Melania, Miquella… Melina. it just feels so right