thanks for the shoutout dad, i've finally made it big time

Ah it’s here

As a hunter from day one of Destiny 1, I can honestly say our exotics are either god tier or absolute trash. We have 3 or 4 exotics to choose from, that’s it. We can barely have any build variety unless we do some weird combinations that sort of work together. And since they keep nerfing us, I just use stompees for everything.

Wasn’t expecting anything less than a jez clip for mask of bakris

Celestial Omnioculus isn’t real, it can’t hurt you. Celestial Omnioculus: 5:26

So called “free thinkers” when they see orbs of power generated by tether

"Hunters are the kings of movement" *watches titan slide and fly across the map in 2 seconds*

These exotic tier lists are always bangers

Omnioculus + Khepris trials team = one guy with wallhacks and damage resistance

As someone who has been entranced by Middle Tree Arcstrider with Raiju's Harness, I can tell you that be able to not only have a longer super but also cancel it can make a huge difference in PvP. I don't have the exact math calculations, but the cancellation effect returns on use work as well with Middle Tree in tandem with Whirlwind Guard to make it one of the, if not the strongest shutdown supers for PvP when utilized correctly. Also, something not many people take advantage of is that when casting Middle Tree Arcstrider the animation has a deflection effect that can be timed to deflect other supers before the super has even begun draining. Meaning that you can effectively use the super as a burst defense against other projectiles or supers more frequently or in the case of many roaming supers, if you have too much distance between addition targets and not even energy to close the gap, you can instead return a good portion instead of wasting it. Yeah it's not as effective as Goemag's, but Chaos Reach in general is designed to be used in quick burst and Rajiu's being the only Roaming Super early-end exotic with returns is something that shouldn't be turned a blind eye on, at least in PvP.

Oathkeeper with any bow: 😴 Oathkeeper with Wish Ender: 👀

I don’t use it much myself, but it looks like Datto glossed over the reworked effect of Assassin’s Cowl, which allows light class melees to make you invisible and regen your health (in addition to finishers). Works well with top-tree Arc and middle-tree Solar as a decent neutral exotic.

Athrys's Embrace is pretty much my favorite exotic. The giant buff to knife + Unstoppable is amazing. And adding a "One-Two Punch" shotgun with it to make it absolute nuke.

Unmentioned thing about the Athrys’s embrace: after getting a few headshots, all the little armor plates raise up into spikes and it totally changes the aesthetic of the arms. Unironically makes them cooler to me, love exotics that have stuff like that

Sat waiting for GGs to drop. Tactical upload time Datto. You know Hunters are only turning up today.

Danielle on a typical day to Datto: 1:25

I LOVE Wormhusk Crown. I use it so often and it's so reliable for healing and freedom of movement when used with top void spec. Can get in super close to dangerous enemies and dip out with a heal, reload, invisibility dodge.

I definitely think you’re selling a lot of these exotics short just because they don’t shine in the most difficult content the game has to offer. Young Ahamkara Spine: Has insane ability spam potential on middle tree Gunslinger in PvE and in PvP it guarantees full 160 damage in detonation and better grenade regen for any ability damage. Athyrs’s Embrace: When the Strengthened Weighted Knife buff is fully stacked it does roughly the same damage as a bottom tree Golden Gun shot, pair that with a one two punch shotgun and you’re basically throwing nighthawk shots in the form of knives in PvE. Dragon Shadow: Doesn’t actually require 100 mobility to make full use of its perk, the exotic adds a +50 hidden mobility bonus while the perk is active. As long as you stay alive, wraithmetal mail can almost be active constantly. Not to mention the upcoming QuickDraw nerf, this exotic will probably become a lot more popular. Raijus Harness: Probably the best arc specific pvp exotic for hunters. It’s basically the same as geomags but you save a lot more super energy on deactivation and the damage buff after blocking lets you one shot any super in PvP. Frost-ee5: A solid PvP choice, increased movement speed and better ability regen. What’s not to like? I know Datto isn’t a Hunter main but I think a lot of these exotics are much better than what was given credit for in the video.

Dragon's Shadow has a hidden +50 mobility during the perk's uptime, you don't need maxed mobility to see the best results. It's amazing for putting your stats somewhere else as you can just have 50 mobility and let dragon's shadow do the rest. the perk's uptime is 10 seconds so you'll get that dodge back by the time it runs out.

Imma be honest… Bombardiers are probably my favorite to use in PvE. I just think they are super fun when used with blade barrage tree. Knife throw, dodge bomb, knife throw again and practically have your doge back instantly the repeat. You can basically just spam knife throw/dodge through a whole strike and take out some big enemies pretty easy with the initial damage and all that burn tic.

Correction on Dragon's Shadow: you don't need 100 mobility to take full advantage of it. You only need 50 because upon dodging, not only do all your weapons reload, you get ridiculous reload speed and handling, but it also gives you an extra 50 mobility.

I just thought that I would say this real quick, for altar of Sorrows hunter best thing to use is a falling guillotine, Riskrunner, and blasphemy. And the exotic armor should be liars handshake. And use top tree arcstrider. Throw your grenade at the ground, it gives you the riskrunner perk, use the melee for liars handshake on the nightmares and you will YEET through the altar of sorrows.

I use lucky pants strictly for the sake of fashion

I really love the Knucklehead Radar when I'm sniping or using Messenger. Really helps when you're in a spot and don't want an enemy sneaking up on you or when a guy is in a corner, crouching can help pinpoint where they are.

8:24 Datto failed to mention that liars handshake is the single best exotic for clearing crowds in Gambit. Hands down. Dodge melee dodge melee dodge melee and just kill everything in sight. Liars handshake with a one two punch shotgun is literally insane. Datto definitely needs to give this thing more credit

Datto I’d argue you’re underrating Raiju’s harness for PvP. Extra guard time, plus if you die in arc staff you get to keep whatever super energy you had when you died. Only problem is arc strider generally sucks in PvP lol

Man, with QuickDraw going away, dragons shadow use is gonna skyrocket

I had literally never used Kephri's Sting in D2 until last week's Iron Banner and I absolutely love them, it works so well with middle tree nightstalker for basically infinite wallhacks

Gemini jesters is underrated its such a great PvP exotic alright in pve with the dodge punch arc combo but still I love it

Datto just straight up calling me who hasn't taken off Dragon's Shadow since it got buffed in Warmind.

I've been rocking Lucky Pants for the longest time. Mainly for the look, but the Hand Cannon effects are worth it, especially for PvP

I'd reconsider young ahamkaras spine. They do way more than the perk tells you. They have really strong utility in PvP and can net you infinite grenades with knife tricks burn damage. They buff tripmine damage, range, blast radius, duration, health, throw distance. They also give a huge boost to grenade regen on *any* ability damage and also remove self damage from your own grenade.

"Hunters are the kings of movement." Meanwhile me looking at my skating/icarus dashing fireteam: _huh_

Still use Lucky Pants and the Last Word for that ultimate quickdraw cowboy feel.

It really sucks when you want a good roll for dragons shadow and get a horrible roll, but then proceed to accidentally get a god roll for liars handshake

with all due respect, HARD disagree on raijus harness. in pvp anyways. it’s my MAIN exotic in pvp. the ability to reflect stasis tornados and get half your super back by cancelling early while also getting multiple kills per super makes it AMAZING imo.

I always run Liar's Handshake when using Arcstrider, as I don't have to rely on my super being up for ad clear and dps. I still use my 12Punch Perfect Paradox to murk everything with Liar's

I just finished watching your other vid, a treat for myself

can't believe youd do j3z in like that after you adopted him :(

frostees are way to underrated on this list. having more shirikens for stasis mains is super nice and extremely effective in endgame pvp, having that grenade that can chunk off some health when capping a zone is powerful, you’ll always have a dodge less than 10 seconds

“To end this list, the worst exotic has to be the Stompees.”

Datto used the phrases "massive" and "keep it up with ease" in the same sentence

*tries to pry off knucklehead radar* "Oh right...that titan smeared crayon wax all over the latches"

I wish we could get a good void subclass exotic for hunters that makes grenades better or turns smoke bomb into a viable offensive tool. You have no idea how frustrating it can be when events like guardian games, solstice of heroes, etc... that one day will demand VOID grenade or charged melee KILLS. Both of those are typically so easy to do with warlocks or titans as they have exotics that can help with that and their abelites are more lethal.

hunter tierlist on GG day? is datto a hunter main now? ONE OF US! ONE OF US!

I am best friends with Omnioculus. If you spec into a CwL build to have maximum stacks with Energy Converter, you can basically (or theoretically) replace Orpheus with Omni if you manage your grenade uptime well. Energy Converter for those of you that don't know, is a mod that refunds Super energy when you throw your grenade right after your Super ends. If you have 5 stacks of CwL, you get 50% of your super back the SECOND you throw your Grenade after using a Super. The downside of this mod is that it sacrifices one tier of Discipline (while generally restricting grenade usage because you don't want to blow your load too early just before you even get your Super), but if you're good about your smoke bomb usage and constantly making yourself and your teammates invisible, you essentially never have to worry about your grenade being on cooldown. Since this build is also grenade-focused, you can spec for weapon perks that fit this build like Adrenaline Junkie and Demolitionist which means higher weapon damage with even more grenade uptime. Using Multishot Tether as your Super also isn't as bad as you might think as the bonus damage you get from damaging Tethered enemies is pretty substantial (not Celestial Nighthawk substantial, but substantial enough to where I can say that it feels like a contender). This build is mainly talking in terms of PvE. In PvP, this build will probably get very little use out of its main advantages due to the fact that Orbs of Power are very rare and that all your CwL stacks fall off if you die (Assuming that you're using Taking Charge).

I love ophidia spathe on thousand cuts. It's essentially infinite knives with a cooldown of like... 4 seconds.

Love the video as always. But I think, and maybe I'm just crazy, you might be selling Young Ahamkara's Spine short. Top tree gunslinger is so fun, and actually good too, with it.

12:07 geminis don't always work in pve because ,unlike a flash bang, they only proc against enemy's that are already agroed on you

Young Ahamkara's Spine gets no pve recognition for how good and fun it is with middle tree

Shinobu's vow is hugely slept on imo. We run it 3 deep in trials and it essentially guarantees a pick. Every time.

Usually I let Datto make my opinions for me, but my man straight up disrespected so many exotics

been playing warlock since d1 and never made any other characters so this list does help me decide what i need for the hunter. Thanks :)

Raiju’s didn’t get enough of a PvP shout-out, If you aren’t running stasis, run this.

Raijus harness is honestly s tier for trials. Utilize stompees and then when you get your super switch to raijus. Once you get one kill, you get a lot more super energy then chaos reach when you cancel.

Ahamkara’s are slept on. Combine it with middle tree gunslinger and its burning melee knives, and you can get your grenade charge back in seconds

This is my personal PVE review. I've played Hunter the most by a LARGE margin in comparison to my other classes. Arcstrider: Raiden Flux or Liar's Handshake (

The best part of this video is when Jez walks up to the AFK guy and domes him with the chaperone.

I feel like Aeons work best on Hunter because you aren't bound to Geomags, Phoenix Protocol, or Ursas like Warlock and Titan. Having one Hunter give everyone heavy ammo is certainly helpful, especially for scary GMs like Proving Grounds, where you might want to lean hard on Anarchy.

bombardiers are actually pretty usefull with a cqc oriented stasis setup. granted, it only kills low tier ads, but it can generate a good amount of dodge energy or grim harvest crystals

I've been running Sixth Coyote since they introduced Armour 2.0, it complements my build and my armour stats so well- its the only exotic I need.

"hunters are the king of movement" if thats the case why does the stasis titan have a dash punch that can get them out of trouble and a generic slide thats better than stompees?

Lucky Pants + The Last Word + Shotgun/Grenade Launcher with Quick Access Sling have proven to be a reliable combo for me.

I can’t fathom that people actually use smoke bombs for invis. Top tree dodge invisibility is WAY better. On command, doesn’t require you to hit a bunch of teammates to get it back (no point in giving allies invis), constant uptime. AND you get your melee back or reload for free too. Sixth coyote on top tree is the way to go.

I value Athrys a lot. Its fun to use in PvP and in PvE its like having a single golden gun shot on demand for whatever you need it for, and when combined with a 1-2 punch shotty it does big boi damage. I am willing to sacrifice the Celestial Goldie on some fights, like Taniks, to run these since the captains in that fight are the biggest obstacle for some of my group. I can have that beefy throwing knife up more often so I can deal with them and never have to worry about wasting damage doing it.

1. Sealed Ahmkaran Grasps has really good synergy with the likes of middle tree gunslinger (or other dot based melees). It can actually be pretty useful in raids where you cannot reload but need high boss damage, time it right and you have unlimited ammo for the duration of the dot damage. That is really useful on rocket launchers, etc. I really do enjoy them. 2. Oathkeeper is actually really interesting. I use it as I really enjoy using bows and I do have to say it is really fun. I cannot sit here and say it is the best or that you should even replace it with other exotics, but if you are a bow user it is for sure amazing. It keeps that perfect moment, so it combos very well with the likes of Ticcu's. I recommend that you use it though on subclasses that are not exotic reliant, so morbius quiver void, stasis, or blade barage (even either gunslinger but bottom tree gunslinger often relies on celestial). 3. Aeon gauntlets has not been talked about here but that one post rework is actually super good to use for a general exotic on those subclasses that are not reliant, like with oathkeeper.

Quick point with Dragon’s Shadow- you don’t actually need to run it with max mobility, as dodging with it gives you a hidden +50 mobility. I wouldn’t run just 50 mobility for cases when you die in the period after you dodge, but you can easily get away with ~70.

Help I am physically incapable of unequipping Orpheus Rigs. They've been stuck on my hunter for years now. I think the super glue was a bad idea.

as an Ahamkara spine main I feel like this exotic gets slept on. Enhanced tripmines are better than you might think in PVP and this exotic allows you to chain tripmine+knives+dodge infinitely.

correction for mask of bakris, depending on what dodge you use will also change what happens making it strong if you want to dodge and ninja star or dodge into cover and auto reload for next engagement. on top of this using a aspect you can SLOW enemys whilst dodging and getting the dodge buffs, during light shift (the cooldown) said slow downed will take 10% extra damage (said in its exotic perk stasis effected and arc)

Bombardiers and invisibility on dodge or that Stasis perk that slows enemies when you dodge is actually a really strong combo that people may want to try. While it can be used offensively it is mostly useful against anything that runs up to you and either smacks you around or explodes, but it has saved my butt plenty of times. Also it's fun in PVP because shotgun meta. if you sprint at me I will just get a few feet further away and get free damage.

Ah yes, the Datto Slayer, Slayer of all Dattos representing the Mask of Bakris. What a glorious day this is.

hunters who main pvp (so most of them) and stomp-ee5 are like flint Lockwood from "cloudy with a chance of meatballs" they are never taking those things off

I think Omnioculus is the best nightstalker exotic. Orpheus got nerfed and no one uses top tree anymore because bottom tree is infinitely better. And all Orpheus gives you is more quivers which is nice, but can't beat the infinite invis Omnioculus gives you and and your team. Sixth Coyote is also really good but it's more towards solo play or easier content where you can actually get close to enemies.

I never take off my Spine of Young Ahamkara when on Barrage for the knife/grenade regen.

For PvP, Dragons Shadow is only just behind Stompees. Anyone relying on Wormhusk is (no offence intended) not good at PvP, better positioning and map awareness helps you stay alive, wormhusk is simply a panic “GIVE ME FREE HEALTH” button. Dragons Shadow allows you to get an easy triple 100 stat line so you can have 100 recov and 100 discipline on a stasis build with spammy coldsnap grenades. DS intrinsically gives you +50 mobility after you dodge, so you only need 50 odd mobility to max it out, staying alive to let your dodge recharge is the key. But it also gives a massive boost to handling and reload, giving all weapons boarderline quickdraw and snapshot, and then reload speeds like Ophidian Aspect for Warlocks offers. Then, it even reloads all weapons allowing you to run gamblers dodge for melee cooldown, great for stasis, can even use the aspect that slows nearby enemies. Sometimes I think the extra mobility stompees offers is overkill and running 3 100 stats including mobility can offer what stompees does and then some. The benefits of DS also stacks with quickdraw, snapshot, surplus, killing wind etc

Not even mentioning that Dragon's Shadow gives an extra 5 stacks of mobility whenever Wraithmetal mail is active and thus giving dodge back within 6 seconds after Wraithmetal Mail ends on every subclass to then get wrathmetal mail back seems like an oversight for this video. Freeing up to 50 points of mobility for use in other stats feels really good in PVP and PVE since anything over 50 mobility will be wasted as soon as you dodge.

If only he knew the coming terror of Star-Eater Scales.....

Ophidia spathe chest gives a THIRD stasis melee which I think is very unknown.

i actually love the bombardiers for pve. especially with stasis when you dodge slowing the enemy so they pretty much get stuck in the path of where the bomb was left. i've had so many instances where i find my self being absolutely crowded with red bars and doing a simple dodge not only reloads my rifle but also deals damage to all of them killing most if not all of them that were crowding me. Or sometimes when im charging into a ground of enemies while firing and start to run low in that mag i'll dodge and take out a good bit of enemies and carry on. Its actually one of my main exotic armor pieces. But i know they're not for everyone but i know personally i feel like i can really get a good amount of kills in pve with em. Pvp... useless but i rarely do pvp.

Young Ahamkaras are so underrated in non-GM PvE. You can almost spam your trip mine with combination of Impact Induction/Throwing Knives/Dodge along with added super with Ashes to Assets and Distribution, its really giving that super fast as well. Always can be tagged with Demolitionist/Tresh/Wellspring. Its just more fun to use than Shards of Galanor. Plus i find it way more consistent with damage and accuracy of hit with trip mine than Incendiary grenade and its bouncing.

I like the recap of all the exotics because it reminds me of fun exotics that I have not used in a while.

I agree with most of this. Except I would say omnioculus deserves tier 5. But also I think assassins cowl does as well. Being able to throw a knife, which can infinitely refresh on 2/3 trees of gunslinger or infinitely chain melees on top tree arc or even just finisher and get healing and invis for an absurd amount of time allows for the same invis utility you get on nightstalker (not to Omni degree but still very close) while also being able to heal, but on ANY subclass. Very powerful and life saving

This season, we have an artifact mod that makes Athrys's embrace's champion stun redundant

Really good video Datto! I really look forward to these armor videos

Young Ahamkaras Spine is so underrated. "Ability damage grants trip mine energy". That means a trip mine, knife and your super can recharge your trip mine. Trip mines are stronger than you may think. It sticks to surfaces and staggeres most enemies. With enough mobility you can recharge you knife and spam trip mines. I have my combo set for pve: trip mine, knife, dodge, knife, dodge and repeat. Especially if your on middle tree gunslinger, once enemies start burning you recharge your knives much faster and you won't need to dodge as much. (You can also use a mod to gain nade energy when dodging) You can rival a celestial nighthawk while being able to damage multiple targets and swap you priorities. But... Meta is meta.

quick buff to knucklehead - allow it to grant radar during blackout activity modifier and i think that would be quite nice

As someone who has been using a 120//Aggressive Sniper PvP build I will always love my Knucklehead Radar and how it allows me to be a Laning Larry and full be, as the exotic implies, a radar watching knucklehead. But the moment I switch to a shotgun or even just off of my Crimil's, I always put on Stomp-EE5.

I will forever die on the hill that Young Ahamkara's Spine is unironically great in PvP. If you're good with tripmines, you can pull off some awesome plays with them.

Worm husk crown w/invisibility dodge roll! Spec’d for class ability 🤩

I see your rocking that nighthawk with the chest pieces. I think it'd be sweet to be able to wear 2 pieces at once. There's some good combos out there.

FYI, dragons shadow essentially gives a stealth 50 mobility, meaning you can run 50 mobility and still have max dodge cooldown(as I’ve been doing for forever, so hard to take it off)

Star-eater scales: allow me to introduce myself

“Shinobu’s is going to be your best arc exotic” D1 pvp players “ Wow haven’t heard that one before.”

To date Datto is the only person that I've heard pronounce Gwisin vest correctly (Korean word for "ghost")

I used to keep Sealed Ahamkaras Grasp on my middle tree gunslinger at all times. If you set a target on fire with the melee like a boss it would proc the reload on every tick of fire damage and you could unload a full auto shotgun like crazy. I used it a lot when the haunted forest came out for the first time. Not sure if it works anymore.

Dragon's Shadow does not require max mobility. In fact, anymore than tier 5 is largely wasted. Its been tested many times; DS gives you the equivalent of +5 tiers of mobility (50 stat points) during Wraithmetal Mail. Even after the nerf, 50 mobility is enough to have access to a dodge every ~11 seconds. So long as you stay alive, there are occasional 1-2 second lapses where the perk isn't up. Tremendous uptime. Signed, A Dragon's Shadow Main

I feel like non-hunter mains always scoff at Lucky Pants. It is an instant swap to hand cannon with massively increased target acquisition. If you run sniper/HC and can’t land consistent headshots, it is a game changer. The Hand Cannon does not need to have snapshot or QuickDraw so the perk pool opens up massively

I would argue that Young ahamkara's spine is very underated in PvE. i recently found a build that uses it with the middle tree solar subclass wich in practice gives you near infinite trip mines. Throw your trip mine then throw your knives wich recharges your granade because middle tree knives hit 3 times then use your trip mine again and dodge to get your melee, back throw your mine, repeat until target is death. as a added bunus use the mod: Wrath of Rasputin to get a chance of a warmind cell with every solar splash damage kill.

Revenant with Grim Harvest, Winter's Shroud, and Bombardiers is very fun for a PvE synergy build.