I love the use of shapes throughout Destiny. The triangles and circles have become my favorite motifs in the franchise. The pyramids, the traveler, the leviathan and the sphere atop, the pink portal… just amazing.
@kevindew1234 ай бұрын
You could view the Upended as the square in the trilogy, not many things in game have that shape
@Jesuslover20003 ай бұрын
@@kevindew123 Except pyramid architecture.
@bliss52973 ай бұрын
If you think about it. The traveller being a sphere represents complexity, as a circle has infinite side. And a triangle/pyramid has the minimum number of sides, edges and points possible in a 3d and 2d space, is supposed to represent simplicity.
@Joehovah4 ай бұрын
The symbol also appears in the opening escort encounter of Vow - the more "knowledge" you acquire, the clearer symbol appears to be above the casket we are transporting.
@RSAgility4 ай бұрын
It's a brain neuron! Idk this was in my recommended Hi..
@drsaddomia4 ай бұрын
I truly wish for there to be a way to traverse the terraformed ship in a non raid fashion to truly appreciate the esthetics.
@STR0BEV4 ай бұрын
Right? And not just a crucible map
@drsaddomia4 ай бұрын
@@STR0BEV Even then, it's a tiny portion of the whole.
@Safeguard14 ай бұрын
Like going through the sunken Pyramid. The terraformed parts of the Pyramid are incredible.
@MICROKNIGHT30004 ай бұрын
The 3d model is extracted by fans. I already explores the deformed areas, I mean the giant hole
@Indivenant4 ай бұрын
I know right it would be so much easier to decode this language. If I didn’t have to worry about getting Goomba stomped by tormentors.
@IASEAGLE54 ай бұрын
In the Ahsa cutscene you see precursors holding that symbol in their hand like a tool. Reminds me a bit of an ankh from ancient Egypt in how it is portrayed there but also the Cabal Ship lost sector has a really interesting version of it that ends in symbols at each branch end. The symbols almost make me think they are people or disciples how they are shown.
@babablacksheep5064 ай бұрын
I thought about it being an ankh like item as well
@squilli34 ай бұрын
I think visually its representative of the gardening motifs. Like pruning branches and grafting augmented parts on making creating very bizarre tree patterns. Kinda goes with the idea of the witness frankensteining the universe
@robert2german4 ай бұрын
“There can be no gardens without knives.” -Inspiral: Winnowing
@TitusGuard4 ай бұрын
This is the theory I think is best. Creators in many religons refrence pruning in nature
@bobnnate4 ай бұрын
I think The First Knife from the winnowers perspective is a concept. The witness is the form to play the game and combat the gardener but the symbol is what the witness believes itself to be. Which would be the first knife.
@robert2german4 ай бұрын
“There can be no gardens without knives.” -Inspiral: Winnowing
@not.skywalker4 ай бұрын
my thoughts exactly
@User-Ryan1354 ай бұрын
I always saw it as just the Language of the Witness and their kind, like the shape is different because it means different things, sort of like a heiroglyph style language but they also use it to move power through rooms, objects etc. It's their language and their energy source is how I see it
@yamiyugi28944 ай бұрын
Its like a representation of the sword logic all of the diffrent branches converge into the "knife" at the very bottom
@HammerdWalrus4 ай бұрын
I fully believe it's meant to be the First Knife. With it being pointed at the Portal to the Pale Heart, it makes me think of "Like a knife to the heart". When someone says that, it's meant as a deep form of betrayal, which is probably what the Witness' people felt when the Traveler left when they attempted the connection with the Veil. So since the Witness' people had been researching and studying the Traveler, I'd imagine that they had figured out about the Pale Heart. So when they bound their conciseness' to each other to form The Witness, it strived to use "The First Knife" to stab at the Heart of It's betrayer.
@rytr0nious4 ай бұрын
There's literally no way the Witness put it in the pyramid ship. It's coming directly from where the Traveler shot the beam and not only that, but it was directly plunged into Nezarec's tomb. The other side of it, the side that went through his tomb, was growing into a massive plant. This is how the Tree of Silver Wings sprouted here and the entire concept of the raid mechanics. This is not something the Witness created, rather it is a culmination of the terraforming ray the Traveler shot and probably Resonance darkness energy.
@Sybermancer4 ай бұрын
In the Witnesses origin cutscene the 3 precursors (@ 2:00) that are standing together are holding the same staff/symbol as in the Vow raid mural in this video at 3:33. The Witnesses attacks such as manipulating gravity, altering a sun, setting the atmosphere ablaze, causing natural catastrophes are all terraforming powers. The powers of the light they learned according to the Final Shape collectors editon lore book were used to terraform planets. The radial mast being an instrument of the light was most likely some kind of terraforming tool. I think the shapes are part of the control mechanisms for these devices. They may be used to bind and control the elemental forces. The Witness has been using the powers learned from the Traveler to destroy civilizations and to attack us all along.
@Indivenant4 ай бұрын
I always looked at the different symbols we see associated with the Witness and it’s forces as actually being a written language structure. Like there are many different symbols we can find but they all use the same lines, shapes and curves but just connect them in different ways. Like each individual piece has some some basic meaning but when attached to each other they come to represent a whole idea or even just a word. Kinda like the Chinese Hanzi/Japanes Kanji/Korean Hanja. Ultimately if it isn’t a language then it could easily become one. After all, all writing of any language is just taking small, consistent parts and putting them together in specific combinations to convey ideas
@souleater29784 ай бұрын
I feel like this Symbol is a Text from the Witness‘s Language and that it shows „The Path of the Witness“ or rather its own Story; . I imagine it to be like: „We were the People of „___“, Shapers of Gardens, the Traveller betrayed us and we went throughout half the universe to find it.“ . Imagine each stop at the sides of this symbol as either the end of each finished statement or points of interest, that the Witness has been to.
@Yleexy4 ай бұрын
I feel like this symbol may represent life or something of that nature, maybe it represents a system for how different ways different life forms were made into one, which is how the witness became one being, or maybe it’s even representing a final shape that has branches of structure to it
@begreeen3 ай бұрын
One look at that thumbnail, and I knew I needed that symbol as a tattoo
@DragonBornHero4 ай бұрын
I personally think it might be “The first knife” from the lore, stating it had many blades and an odd shape. It being on the Witnesses property, it was the beginning of the Witnesses ideology, I think it makes sense
@cheddZyPlays4 ай бұрын
got a tattoo of the symbol, loved it that much when vow came out
@nolanfabricius4 ай бұрын
To me, it's obvious these shapes are derived from the channels material flows through in injection molds. Think of how the unbuilt pieces of a model car need to be snapped out of their frame before you can assemble them, this frame being the remnant plastic from the injection mold process used to cast them. When you make a mold of something you intend to cast in metal or plastic, these are the channels you carve into the mold for the material to flow through.
@Frap7104 ай бұрын
You’re super close to what I was thinking. It’s a foundry mold that lays flat and you pour molten metal in from a crucible. It flows down those channels.
@kylemercuri7733 ай бұрын
I think it’s just a banner, like an identifier. The precursors had different groups among themselves before merging and would have created some of the technology the Witness uses as they were already pretty advanced before merging. Since the symbols/staffs have slight variations between them, I think it’s just a memory of which group did certain things. You can see some holding the staffs in cutscenes which almost represent banners.
@blaindevlin4 ай бұрын
"Your pale heart holds the key" Is this the "key" to "unlocking the final shape"? I.e. the perfect final shape of the universe, hence as the witness comes closer to the key held in the traveller he is coming closer to the final shape hence the pattern becomes clearer, or evolves?
@Fantasygod9304 ай бұрын
I think the symbol can mean a lot of different things The paths of the final Shape The tree of silver wings or a symbol that looks cool I kind of noticed The pattern of the symbol When applying it to Pyramid technology It kind of looks like it's directing energy Like a wire so maybe that pattern's more like a wire directing energy 2 Point A and B I think that's it but you can interpret it however you like Edit: Oops misspelled shape Sorry😅
@DeJuan-00274 ай бұрын
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@lucasblanchard474 ай бұрын
Final sheep BAAAA 🐑😂
@nullandvoid75243 ай бұрын
I've always seen them as something very similar to Hive Runes. Just in the Witnesses own language. It's branded on key pieces of Pyramid tech, probably from The Witness itself. Much like how it branded the Traveler with a Triangle before pulling a gate out of it, the Portal isn't on the Traveler itself, it's in front of it. I think it's drawing and using those Symbols somehow. I also believe that The Witness is still very much a Light bearer to some extent, and the brand allows The Light to be infused into Pyramid tech. Such as the Upended being a darkness artifact infused and powdered by Solar Energy. The Radial Mast had a Blue Rune that matches the color of Arc so maybe there could be a trend here.
@NoSmokeJC3 ай бұрын
Seeing this now this makes a lot more sense with the Light + Dark thing. Prismatic is mixed with both Light + Dark and it both the portal and Root of Nightmares has that pinkish look that resembles Prismatic. But the symbol could also be some sort of language considering some of the are different from others mixing some of the same symbols with others.
@conart12014 ай бұрын
It reminds me alot of Ogham. A medieval writing system used in Old Irish. The central line or stem is a sort of connector for the whole sentence and the brances are the different letters read from top to bottom and left to right. So you'd read the left extending branches first. The symbols arent the same so it isn't Ogham directly, but I wouldn't be surprised if Bungie was hiding an easter egg in a similar writing system
@akqa81864 ай бұрын
I love these symbols, been thinkingnof getting the upended symbol as a tattoo but gonna wait in case its ever revealed
@ringomandingo10154 ай бұрын
It’s a map that guides from one end to the other, like an antenna. Iirc the other iteration of this design in Vow looks like a mural for Rhulk and the subclass elements that many speculated on (on the building for Stop in Acquisition). It seems like a diagram. Like schematics for electrical currents too. With how many times Entelechy hints that the Final Shape is described by words like Zenith, Singularity, a point of convergence, and with how much the raids use these designs to show a passage of time (sides of the wall in Scission, middle of room in Macrocosm), It’s possible these little tools help progress energy to a point. They also symbolize the Final Shape’s progression. Though, the shapes on these things are very alien to us.
@dillonyoung89064 ай бұрын
at time mark 4:07 it showes the witness holding the upside down upended. There’s a parallel here, there can’t be one without the other, light, darkness, traveler, darkness etc. If you put the “staff” logo on the upended shape it makes the upended.
@1ceBurger_4 ай бұрын
It appears on every piece of darkness tech that influences or utilizes light, I believe it's a representation of the combination of light and dark. It's a tree or plant, growing and flourishing within uniformity and simplicity.
@jacobhoffman88954 ай бұрын
Another thought of mine between the game Gardener in winnower I feel as though that the guardians are the first knife made from The traveler or the gardener, the gardener wouldn't have such things that would destroy but the first knife guardians are meant to be killing machines that would make sense for the first knife their paracausal as savathun once said to us the guardian as well as the vex being a unable to simulate us
@Katto99994 ай бұрын
the way it was pointing towards the traveler, could be some kind of compass
@architectmind36624 ай бұрын
Lol, I just realized he (rhulk) literally described day and night. Only as if not how we would typically describe it, it seems old...like the concept was there is a sun that is lit, and one extinguished. Like three body problem...lol, I'm excited for the explanation of everything...[EVERYTHING]
@Tupoelf4 ай бұрын
The Witness reflected beam of Traveller to unlock it. So this symbol, light blockers and mast in Nezarec's tomb are the same thing.
@KontractK1ller4 ай бұрын
The precursor cutscene from season of the deep shows a similar symbol when the precursors attempt to use the veil to shape the light and the traveler leaves
@Frap7104 ай бұрын
Horizontal metal foundry form work. You pour the molten metal in and it flow through the channels and casts forms at each endpoint.
@robert2german4 ай бұрын
With what we now know from “Entelechy,” it is likely originally the standard for the Penitent faction of the Precursors, or at least a variation thereof.
@Devil00274 ай бұрын
When Asha was giving the flashback of the precursor race, some of them were holding these same things in their hands. I’m wondering if it’s symbol of something, or actual weapons/instruments. Since we know the pyramid ships predate the witness, it was just their tech/architecture/design. My only question is why when the travelers beam hit the pyramid ship, that same staff design formed and it was pointing towards the Traveler
@MystDragon3k3 ай бұрын
A similar/simplified version of the symbol appears on the magazine of the Revision Zero Exotic rifle. Perhaps the creators of the weapon got a similar idea of the symbol's meaning from the K1 Anomaly.
@azimuth3d2114 ай бұрын
If you look at the pale heart picture you showed a 7:39. There's a very clear outline around the symbol and it looks like a diamond. I wonder if that connects to anything.
@petergutierrez87304 ай бұрын
I see it more as shape language to brand what is tied to the Witness. To me, the vertical line with lines branching off represent dissection / winnowing. I think the First Knife is conceptually on point - but I don't see the symbol being a literal representation of it . I see it more as one of many symbols (as you see iterations throughout pyramid architecture) used to conceptualize how we see the Witness. When you defeat Shadow legion you see gnarly branches appear. I think it's another way of conveyting this winnowing idea. Same with seeing all the sliced up corpses in the pyramids. It's all way to represent removing something that will not be part of The Witness' final shape.
@barthotymous4 ай бұрын
I almost wonder if the symbol (and those like it) are part of the Precursors' language, and perhaps the main "Witness symbol" is the word/idea for the Final Shape itself Not saying this is likely/probable, but it's a thought Edit: nvm you mentioned that at the end of the video
@Beardfrey4 ай бұрын
My theory is that those are runes. Could be how the witness controls the darkness. May be the hand gestures the witness does on the opening cutscene of Lightfall, is just him hand drawing one of those runes to slice that guardian and ghost.
@lukenukem744 ай бұрын
Every time I see the image of that shape I constantly think about The movie The Fifth Element when the very rotund aliens had a very unique key for a very unique door
@akqa81864 ай бұрын
I interpret the symbols as a sort of lsnguage. They all start woth the same two left lines on top but the different branches could make it represent different words
@jamieheisel27593 ай бұрын
The one that goes thru Nazerecs tomb looks like our guardian could walk on it.
@kirillsvetlakov24384 ай бұрын
It does look a lot like a metaphor for the Final Shape, a tree with multiple "branches", shapes of existance being winnowed and finalized to form its "trunk"... which is a perfect line, eternal, self-determining. This "tree" thus appears to grow in reverse, which can also suggest Witness's disdain for chaos and change. Where life is freedom and branching complexity, the Final Shape is simplicity and control ... Or I am just overthinking it
@Croi_Fiain4 ай бұрын
Random thought just popped in to my mind: the ancient Irish writing style of Ogham (look up Ogham stones) - typically a straight line with perpendicular or angled series of lines sprouting from that central line. It's a very obtuse language but I wonder if there is an influence there? 🤔
@conart12014 ай бұрын
I thought the exact same thing
@Deritsuku20104 ай бұрын
I think the Witnesses symbol represents a map of sorts that shows that all timelines eventually lead to a single conclusion, or a final ending.
@tysonkrunek41324 ай бұрын
The staff symbol looks a lot like Vex lattice bits sticking out of the radiolaria down at the bottom of the well of infinitude on Europa. Bigger more complex “darkness pattern” look like bigger Vex structures
@realtlt4 ай бұрын
The Upended: A super weapon powered by a dead worm god. The Guardian: "Hold my 2 Gallys" @ 03:01
@robertdewolfe16544 ай бұрын
Just a thought! Perhaps the symbol/symbols represent the Witness's view on how it sees the final shape, on regard to the theoretical tree of life. Instead of a real tree with near infinite branches and leaves fill all possible gaps with diverse direction and randomness (like natural growth of the Travelers Light.... as seen in the root of nightmares/tree of silver wing stuff). And the symbol is the Witness's version of the tree, with most of its branches snipped or pruned off- only the strongest and sharpest branches are left in the "final shape of a tree". I hope i made sense there! Im thinking its more an ideology in symbology! Like how the pyramid is the most simple shape - the opposite of a sphere which has infinite sides (as opposed to the minimum of 4 sides on a 3d structure). Infinity vs minimality.
@mountanedew97934 ай бұрын
The first thought for other people wasn’t a tree? Like the tree of silver wings, alot of traveler related things are trees lol
@babablacksheep5064 ай бұрын
Wild theory- could the symbols be hieroglyphics? Like the pyramid' race's language? Food for thought
@yamiyugi28944 ай бұрын
Its many different species being sharpened into one line
@daniebello4 ай бұрын
i think it’s probably a 2D representation of something that physically/metaphysically exists and is cornerstone to the source of the Witness’ power and additionally its ethos the witness’ symbology is reminiscent to me of electronic circuit diagrams/schematics perhaps something that harnesses or radiates darkness
@snowveilmothsanctum44564 ай бұрын
I believe it’s a Scepter of sorts. One of transmission like a Radio antenna if you will. Relaying power to and from the Witness.
@CleopatraKing4 ай бұрын
I have an idea for what it means and for what it is. What is it? I think its a weapon, a knife the witness bestows. We see it in wipe mechanics, and weapons of mass destruction. As for what it means hear me out. In unveiling the winnower and gardener talk about playing the games over and over and no matter what it reaches the same end. We see the complex shapes converge in on a simple line, a simple truth a simple and final shape. Even in the complex one where a half circle is near the bottom representing the traveler, it ends in a final shape. We also see weird curves as if things are moving in time, which we have done so maybe its a prophecy of some sort as well.
@jacobhoffman88954 ай бұрын
Constantly hearing the story of the game between the gardener and the winnower The Gardener made the first knife in the story, the witness can't be the first knife because the gardener again made the first knife, the "winnower" or the veil was the one that either made the witness or put it on the path to be the witness so the traveler or the "gardener" couldn't have made the witness at least that's my thought
@Stig922 ай бұрын
It's on the side of revision zero too. Personally I think it has something to do with resonance, as they sort of look like tuning forks perhaps.
@happyspooder54354 ай бұрын
Its a tuning fork and a bell? 3:51 weapon maybe.
@TitusGuard4 ай бұрын
I think the first knife is whatever is giving the witness the ability to slice like what he did in the beginning of Lightfall. At least I hope its an item or something
@noirwolf11774 ай бұрын
Low-key, I figured it was a "Tree of Death" kind of thing. Opposite of Tree of Life.
@poopscoop90164 ай бұрын
What if it’s the witness’ / precursors’ writing? It varies in length and complexity in each instance, has a clear flow from it’s ’trunk’, is placed on the side of objects like the upended and radial mast like a label, and we’ve already seen the precursors’ art in the pyramids
@proudlarry82254 ай бұрын
No no, it's the first *spoon*. Gotta scoop up all that Vex Milk for the Black Garden Cereal. It's darkly delicious.
@omni_tron4 ай бұрын
I believe its a symbol to represent the power The Witness used to cut the Traveler. Kind of like the Atomic Symbol we use for nuclear weapons.
@roobeedooo2 ай бұрын
if i can ask, how did you get that incredible footage of flying through the raid? (around 4:55)
@HelloMyNameIsZON34 ай бұрын
Destiny has so many hidden meanings and writers have definitely done psychedelics and read up on the anunnaki along with plenty of religious and mythological stories. Its one of the coolest things about destiny tbh
@savagesoulkiller96734 ай бұрын
We also saw it in the back story of the witness
@blankb38904 ай бұрын
What if it is a tuning fork? In the Raid we hear often some "Resonating" Sounds, in combination with the Fact that Light and Dark are being parallel forces. The Witness is the Maestro of his "Choir" It is maybe just a tool of his making. Thoughts?
@loccaleus14 ай бұрын
The Vex are the first knife, the witness is the stagnation of the end...the darkness.
@notrealatall8104 ай бұрын
I love the logos in destiny some are simple references while other's are secrets im still trying to understand the sotw logo lol
@marko0os_4 ай бұрын
I think it represents the final shape itself, it formed from light and dark coming together into one
@MrBlackJaQ3 ай бұрын
What if the Witness' symbol is just a Space age BBL-like machine he uses on the likes of Rhulk and Calus to turn them into Disciples.
@joseluizgarciajr4 ай бұрын
i think it's like the Hive symbols, each one of them represents something or is something, maybe we'll learn more about in final shape
@chrisreilly12904 ай бұрын
1:09 I don't think I've ever noticed the symbol on the side of the Up-ended
@dericknavarropaiva96324 ай бұрын
After watch the video I can see this symbol almost similar to Egyptian ankh symbol, it represents the key to life or the key to nile or in this particular case the witness’ symbol might be the key to creation
@controlleronpceasywin29783 ай бұрын
good video as always but the double primary gameplay is hurting me
@user-od3gt6jx4r4 ай бұрын
The bottom is the end point, not the ends, representing the flow to the final shape, the point of finality.
@sebastienreucheron93654 ай бұрын
witness symbol looks like a tree. (tree of silver leafs ?) and it looks like the artefact around Nezarec in the raid
@riffmcnasty87134 ай бұрын
Vibing to Bungie's music 🎶
@reamoinmcdonachadh95194 ай бұрын
Perhaps a symbol of all the Precursors becoming one in the Person of the Witness? I still think that thing on the Pyramid ship has a function to serve, just what I do not know.
@sebastianelias61444 ай бұрын
The symbol almost looks like a key like a very fancy key, but a key and the symbol or the “key” from the raid is pointing towards the traveler like a key toward a lock and was growing more branches to open the lock aka the traveler. The growing of the “key” was a combination of the light and dark like what the witness did to get inside the traveler, but that’s a theory A DESTINY THEORY! Hopefully you see this please and thank you.
@hoj49844 ай бұрын
Doesn't each member of the Dread has a different "branch" end on the top of their face?
@jornelas71574 ай бұрын
I might be tripping but if you freeze or stop the video at a certain point when its showing the portal. You can see the witness's face. idk like i said i might be tripping.
@JulieTijerina3 ай бұрын
I want to get a tattoo of this symbol but want to make sure it's not some bad thing first lol
@jonmkl4 ай бұрын
I think it is paths converging to one final shape.
@cosmicdraco70414 ай бұрын
It might be something to do with the witnesses race, their language or symbols of their race. Honestly it's a guess to me.
@LIMSAkaRiorulz3 ай бұрын
Destiny: something to which a person or thing is destined : fortune. wants to control his own destiny. 2. : a predetermined course of events often held to be an irresistible power or agency.
@imnotgivingyoumyname8104 ай бұрын
Fairly certain it's the radial mast.
@sleepy1der14 ай бұрын
I think it's a map showing different paths. But to what end I do not know...
@the_crazy_captain4 ай бұрын
What if its like simbolic to represent the different types of species the witness has made a part of it
@Asgaardiangatekeeper3 ай бұрын
Thats why I get scared everytime I spam grenade launchers.
@destructionmayhem30634 ай бұрын
Brohan really didn’t have to die
@the8thvictim4 ай бұрын
The key and the lock.
@reamoinmcdonachadh95194 ай бұрын
Could well be Precursor Script?
@therizinosaurus2144 ай бұрын
In a way it reminds me of a tree/river depending how you look at it.
@fernandososa87794 ай бұрын
Looks like a key to me. :)
@miguelmartinez-zy8vq4 ай бұрын
It the way to the final shape
@kaj4134 ай бұрын
It is linear. What if it is a map of the ever evolving interior of the Traveler?
@Zephyrion__4 ай бұрын
I feel like it could be some sort of weapon
@SepticEmpire4 ай бұрын
What if the witness is actually a good guy We fail to beat him and he just makes a new universe without pain Probably not but what if the collector lore book is wrong and a different faction of the witnesses race became the witness Ig I just want us to fail cuz if we beat the witness what could possibly beat us We could just turn on the vanguard and destroy the universe or create our version of the final shape instead Just uno reverse every character in the game and become god Who’s to say guardians won’t just do that And it would also make any encounter with xivu pointless cuz we would be stronger than the strongest characters in the universe (witness) Winning doesn’t feel good when there aren’t any stakes And imagine killing the witness but dying by a patrol dreg it would just feel weird