October is over so I'm no longer scary gender. Now I'm thankful gender.

Demonmama at 10 minutes in: This isn't a real person he is arguing about, no one freaks out about neo pronouns Demonmama at 20 minutes in: It would be transphobic to not refer to someone as their neo pronoun

By her own argumentation, she really cannot criticize people for calling themselves super straight...

Demonmama has to be, without a doubt, the cringiest person I've ever had the displeasure of watching rant about something.

Demon Mama has completely fictional conversations with strawmen she's created then acts like she owned them. Its the most bizarre thing I have ever seen.

i love that demon mama says " fortnight is liked by girls and boys" and then realises that they said girls and boys and says " and everyone else" lmao

This is my life... watching a guy do commentary on a girl doing commentary on a guy doing commentary.

1:21:33 "Somebody who is deergender is not claiming that they are a deer. They are saying their gender expression is inspired by deer. Somebody who is attackhelicoptergender is not claiming that they are an attack helicopter. They are saying their gender identity is inspired by attack helicopters. Maybe they walk around wearing armour pads and they have tatoos on their face that have, like, military serial numbers or something. And they're totally into that, okay?" "Somebody who is a trans man is not claiming that they are a man. They are saying their gender expression is inspired by men. Somebody who is a trans woman is not claiming that they are a woman. They are saying their gender identity is inspired by women. Maybe they walk around wearing high heels and dresses and they wear make-up on their faces that have, like, exaggerated fake eyelashes or something. And they're totally into that, okay?" 😬😬😬

"Some people identify relatively well with the binary." "Some people" here being 95+% of humanity.

Gender is static and binary. But it’s not the totality of your identity. You can be a man and wear a dress but that doesn’t mean you’re a woman. There’s nothing intrinsic about being a woman that would necessitate wearing a dress. No different than the fact that there’s nothing intrinsic about being black and liking basketball. Stereotypes don’t make a gender what it is.

What I hate about this entire gender theory bs from Demonmama is that she says "People forget other peoples genders all the time, its not a big deal" while completely ignoring that that is exactly the reason as to why its not a big deal in the first place to have all these different genders. If you sit here calling yourself Gamergender and no one remembers it because its not important, then it might as well not exist. These are descriptors at best that people will NEVER think about cause you just arent that important to random strangers or aquaintances

A horse has a back and 4 legs. Let’s be real here. Horses are chairs.

Gender is fashion... I guess.

>gender is fashion >you can misgender people you dislike (or you can know who is Faking it/doing it bad faith) assertions that, if said by someone who isn't trans, would get called them transphobic

She can't say the slippery slope is false when the attack helicopter meme has become reality

It amuses me the way she constantly states that she is being good faith.

There's so much destiny content I need to watch god damn

Time stamps brother, if you wanna be a good leech ya neeeeeed time stamps in the description

“I identify my car as a Lamborghini” Lmao

"I'm not able to dress as a bottom because I'm a top." Literally who is stoping you?

Destiny being bad faith. It’s obvious that a chair is anything that identifies as a chair. Deal with it.

The whole nickname argument goes against Demonmama. When you give yourself a nickname it is considered cringe and insanely pathetic. So giving yourself neo -pronouns and niche gender is as cringe as giving yourself a nickname.

Leftists arguing over whose delusions are real is great entertainment

if you're gonna rip content at least put the date streamed

Haha! Vaush defines a chair [blah..a BACK, and four legs] then he says “is a saddle a chair?” NO, IT DOES NOT HAVE A BACK REST!

Just come up with a gender neutral pronoun for a person and use that. I feel like most of this stems from English having he/him and she/her.

Theres an easy answer for all of Destiny's questions about DemonMama. They're Entally Mill, end of.

This woman has to be the most insufferable person I've ever laid witness too. After this I've decided my interaction with these people is so limited it seems like a major waste of time that on the extremely rare occasion I have to actually interact with someone who does identity as what they are presenting as they are just getting lumped into other

Does there really have to be some potential catastrophic result involved for us to debate the logic behind an idea?

It is absolutely insane to me how not using someone's neopronouns is considered "disrespecting their agency" to DM. Are the people who "must" address someone by their neopronouns not allowed agency of their own?

Man, I used to think Trash was the dumbest person on the internet but now, it is without a doubt SemenTrauma and they're not just the dumbest person on the internet but in all of humanity.

is this from a recent stream or long ago?

what if a 7yo identified as a 28yo, and a 28yo identified as a 7yo, and they, you know, did the deed - who would most people put the blame on in that case?

If gender is an estetic then DM shouldn't and couldn't get offended by misgendering , also transphobia becomes obsolete .

Okay, so, I’m a non-binary person. (Born male, don’t know if that matters) but the idea of neo pronouns sound so stupid to me. I love not caring about what I dress like, who I hang out with, what I like, I like just being me. Since coming to the realization that I am nb (and I do feel super strongly about this) I haven’t really changed outwardly all that much. I’ve grown my hair out, and maybe acted a little different, but for the most part it’s all the same. So to hear someone like DemonMama say that gender is ONLY about expression makes me want to vomit. I’m not cis, no where near, but you couldn’t tell, does that mean I don’t count as nb????

I feel really bad for the person with DM, because DM always comes off as a super emotionally and mentally abusive person and I hate the idea that someone is exposed to that constantly.

Demonmama is the best /pol psyop ever.

Demonmamma is Destiny’s granddaughter.

I feel like the biggest issue for some of these things is that they all pertain to sex. It seems like a lot of gender identity is just about signaling that to other people. It jus seems really odd to me.

Gamer is a gender... well, I guess conservatives were right all along and the Left is crazy ;/

This is the best title for a video ever. I’m in

she pretty much said its transphobic to not use neo pronouns because you're 'denying' someone agency. Thats not how it works. If your identity is true to you, it doesn't need to be validated by anyone. Gay people are still gay even if homophobes think its a choice and not an innate sexuality. Them denying that isn't inherently denying gay people agency, denying gay people their rights and protections is. Gay people aren't worried about how everyone thinks, they just want to be treated equally. Forcing everyone to 'be ok' with homosexuality is never going to work, just like forcing everyone to validate your identity wont. Not everyone believes in gender identity rhetoric/ideology and they dont have to! Trans people deserve the right to housing, job opportunities, healthcare and safety just like everyone else, what they're not entitled to is to force everyone around them into talking/behaving the 'right' way in their eyes. Its just culty.

when was this stream?

I wonder if demonmama is pro transracialism or not

Is this channel affiliated with destiny in any way?

It’s interesting to see destiny’a hate change from person to person. He hates Vaush in a pragmatic sense, but god damn he fucking hates demonmama. I think it’s funny as fuck😂. Although one could say he hates them based on incorrectness of their positions. Vaush is sometimes incorrect so he gets hate, demonmamma is very very incorrect and gets more hate

1:14:20 Dono has absolutely no understanding as to how BPD is characterized and should not even pretend to do so

Vaush didn't say ALL definition were self-referential.

Isn't she basically saying your hobby or what you think you are is your gender? Like gamer, name or fan of smth as examples she gives? So you can be a wolf, chair, anime girl and whatever you feel like whenever you feel like it? Where are the boundaries? Can we then exclude someone from society when they identify as, for example, animals? Why do we push this "new" thing on the definiton of gender then? Let's create a new word for it.

Hey guy's is this run by August or a fan account?

wellp fellas, i could only make it to the 53 min mark demon mama is lethal levels of cringe.

Demon Mama: “where is the harm?“ How about the harm in self-deluding yourselves?

To steelman DemonMama though I disagree with a lot of her larger points, I think Destiny kept missing the answer to two questions he kept asking which, in DemonMama's framework, answer each other: 1) What is the underlying fact of the matter of gender in DemonMama's understanding of gender, does her framework actually devalue trans identity and other meaningful categories? and 2) How do we get around DemonMama's perpetual invocation of agency which seems to function as a shield from criticism? I don't know whether she could be nailed down on there being a measurable fact of the matter for trans or gay or racial identity other than self-id--I'm willing to grant her the charitability to assume yes because I actually don't think it conflicts with the framework she's trying to get at. But I do think the point she's getting at is that to a gender abolitionist, perhaps a neurological fact of the matter can be found pointing at some specifics of gender expression, but actual gender categories are abolishable on the premise that the current social construction in the English-speaking world of "men", "women", and maybe some fuzzy third thing and maybe more, can be REPLACED BY AGENCY. Not by a selection of better, more accurate or unifying categories. But by the concept of self-expression itself, a concept in which the uniqueness of individuals is key and prized. I don't think this model is inherently wrong, I just think it's a model that has to be bought into by a vast number of people in order to function, which is where its rightness or wrongness will be tested. Like any grand arcane theory of social construction, it can't really be disproven to be functional at large scale, it can only be proven by becoming ubiquitous, like the successes of social constructs of money and language, and like the probably-never-provable social constructs of things like Posadism or a religion worshipping the concept of a teacup orbiting the Sun between Jupiter and Saturn. Would a society built on a model of gender abolitionism including the actual absence of distinct popular binaristic gender categories at the center of its gender concept see massive mental health problems in otherwise cisgender people, or would they be chill about their self-expression being so hyperspecific as to be nonrelational? Would currently-binaristic trans people be happy with it? Would nonbinary people? Would current neopronoun users invent unified categories again just to be contrary? It's not knowable until it's tried on at least a small scale culturally, which admittedly it has not been tried. If gender abolitionism is to be attempted on a small scale I prefer Vaush's model of it where it seems like...the same as a model of men, women, other, just people be less assumptive about what gender means and treat it as an almost gamified social construct rather than inherently biological. I think that's more likely to be at least a worthy experiment.

The howling noises coming from Stevens game creeps me out.

imagine the fucked up shit that frog plushie has seen

Man it’s brutal watching destiny play Darkest Dungeon... no shield sway no guard no target whistle... Jesus man lol

1:05:40 - I usually have a hard time listening to DM. But while mostly cringe and proving nothing, this was actually funny. I can see why people who agree with her, would find her to be charismatic.

Do you ever think that Destiny started off a chain reaction? Like DM is gonna be Vaush's Destiny? And then she will go on to spawn something even more extreme? Do you think there's an LGBTQ Hitler at the end of this? Will the blood be on Steven's hands?

The implications for what Demon is describing is horrific for society. Cause according to her logic there’s literally no way to have her ideal world not hold the binary believers emotionally hostage and dismantle a system that keeps the sex of women safe. Plus many other things like the destruction of language. So profoundly incorrect. And yes Demon wants it tk just become an aesthetic but doesn’t say the quiet part out loud that for it to be just a fun quirky thing, it must be enforced by society. And it’s so arbitrary and individual based, it can’t be legislated to enforce. The goal shouldn’t be to reduce labels but furthrr delineate.

Demonmama is the Tucker Carlson of the left.

there was 5m of Vaush in this. 40 minutes of someone unbearable

Shit like this just fills the void in our sad existances. There is no benefit to this other than that.

Can anyone link the original vod from DM?

what game is he playing?

Presidentsunday is so infuriatingly annoying it was hard to rewatch this debate

Please don't let him use f word with the Lord's name

People like this make it so easy for real transphobes

We need to diversify pan sexual. I am pot and pan sexual. I'm sexually attracted to a wide range of kitchenware

im missing the dankest dungeon days i dont know what goes on when hes on stellaris

Plato's Formstiny

DM is trivializing actual transphobia by including this nonsense in it

OMNIGENDER GODSTINY

the “gamer” example is so funny because you can’t just self identify as a gamer you have to play games.

15 minutes in I saw Demon Mamas cat.

I will accept he/she/they and that’s it

This is some of the most unhinged shit I've heard in awhile.

Is this new cotent ?

What’s this game

That's not a saying in the UK at all.

demon mama is stupid because everyone calls him vowsh and he doesn’t mind it

Isn't this old?

... Is anybody going to acknowledge Catwoman in the background is creepy?

Anyone know one stargender person?

Just let them get married

Frankly, if its all fashion to you than I have no obligation to affirm your "gender identity"... so where does this get us? You know what, I think I've got the solve for this bullshit. "Genders" have social expectations attached to them. Man and woman have historical and societal ties. If you dont fall into those societal expectations you're NONBINARY, which means you fall OUTSIDE of the 2 societally expected genders. Without the social aspects its not a gender, its closer to a nickname. Am I missing a hole here or is that basically what we're gonna have to fall back to?

Take away my humanity and agency, this language is so loaded man

"A definition can be self referential." No. Just no.🤦

I am oniichan gender.

I’m Biden gender pronouns Jack/Mack There is no fourth gender Wait no I’m transphobia gender now

bro i just wanna live my life as the other gender in peace wtf is a neo pronoun

I get spectrum vibes from Deamonmoron.

So many dumb takes in so little time it's kinda impressive

Holy fuck this shit is so first world problem… 1+ hour about imaginary characters

I think Vaush just watched the new Vsauce video lmao

Demon mama=made up anecdotes

Demonmama actually seems like a decent person tbh, i qctually used to really enjoy her content. but i think that the twitch politics debate space has taken a toll on her and is serving as a strong contributing factor to her behavior, this doesnt excuse it, just an explanation. That space is not for everyone, and it just doesnt seem like she can handle it... i hope that she takes a step back even if its just temporarily to reevaluate herself, because its becoming hard to watch.

हिंदी समझने वाला भी देखता है कोई इसको?

Idc if the dm coverage gives her clout shit's a content mine, always will be

25:41 uhmmm grifting?

MemonMama