Let me know in the comments if you find any examples of detriment working out in practice that match the ancient interpretive principles we discussed in this episode!

From a person with six planets in detriment... thank you for this episode

So my Moon is in detriment in Capricorn in the 9th house and Venus, who is my chart ruler (Taurus rising) is in detriment in Scorpio in the 7th house. (Fwiw, I also have a night chart). For Venus at least, it is conjunct Jupiter, mercury, my North node, and my descendant. For me, how I visualize this is that I've been in some fairly tense martian spaces and in environments that lend themselves to crisis but have at least tried to find beauty in the harshness of the battlefield so to speak. Learning how to do this in a healthy way for my well-being has been tricky but I'd says it's turned its self into a walking contradiction that still has challenges but unique or bold or unconventional solutions. The iconic imagery of a woman putting a flower in the barrel of a gun as a sign of peace, or perhaps a person in a support role in a time of war (such as a military nurse) comes to mind. The moon is a little harder for me to untangle but it feels apt. My parents, and I love them dearly we're not well equipped to handle my emotions as a child, and emotional response being shut down or punished. But in part because of their own rejection and dismissal of their lunar qualities because of generational family patterns. Though I think this has manifested more positively than it could have otherwise have perhaps. My parents and I are both learning to embrace lunar qualities in our life in my adulthood, and together (especially my Mom who has a lot of Capricorn in her chart). Then also part of integrating this configuration in a positive way, I've tried to take a grounded approach to higher learning, my approach with spirituality, and find new paths that work for me, even if I don't see them being common or used before. Part of the healing process I guess is to realize your own healing isn't going to look like anyone else's. Then again, Venus is blending with a bunch of other planets via conjunction, and my Moon is conjunct uranus, Neptune, and the midheaven, sextile and ahead of Saturn in zodiacal order, trine the ascendant, and sextile with the stellium in scorpio. I know this is long, but if it's helpful as an example I figured I'd flesh it out.

Revisited this one having fun testing a method with spirits ruler being in detriment. I’d say some of the language with detriment can be softened in modern times while also saying it has value. I can express the detriment in terms of the mentioned complaint on using metaphors with detriment. Though, I do get the point of the complaint to a certain extent, I can say having spirit ruled by mars in detriment (libra) conjuct Venus that the metaphor is accurate. Natal mars can’t express itself and is in a sort of aggressive “bondage” with Venus that is felt constantly through internal tension. Reading the opinion by Kat wasn’t convincing in terms of not using it. In some cases, yes. I get the point. People vacation for enjoyment so it’s not always a great analogy. Romans were mainly Latin and native Americans were mostly decimated by the Spanish through disease who were many Europeans settled. Detriment is when a planet can’t express itself freely so I found it ironic. I finished cosmos and psyche where, if I became an astrologer and spoke at a conference, I doubt I’d be applauded for saying it was a long winded waste of time to read. I’d probably get escorted out before finishing why I thought that. 😆 Venus wouldn’t allow it anyways. She’ll let it come out every so often. Coincidentally I was watching the Carlin doc on hbo where he was openly bitter about the 60’s generation and why I didn’t care for cosmos was just because I’m carrying that bitterness at the time. And, we are a quarter past a Saturn-Pluto cycle where I’m disappointed by how that generation responded to covid. (It’s not the book, I just don’t want to hear it..lol) that’s how detriment is. I know mars in libra is obsessed with nuances ESPECIALLY with Pluto hanging around. Some detriments are soft, but maybe the vacation analogy is too soft. A manifesto on hating certain races probably isn’t pro-active. Slavery as a path to citizenship was common, agreements were broken towards certain groups of people. And a treaty was broken with the natives. How mormons ended up in Utah is quite brutal also. Being unwelcome in its home is a good analogy. Kat has a good point outside of the expression which is the assumption I’m taking which is a planet in a place where it’s felt it doesn’t belong which makes it contrary to its expression and nature. It’s actually the Venus, not mars, being slightly contrary. It responds to any mars expression with this sort of “turn that racket down” attitude when it sees it. Venus barely lets my mars extremes itself and mars gets all tensed up. lol. Mars wants to fact check every detail, Venus says let it go. Pluto is burning both with cigarettes. Historically, when we go through economic inequality people turn to identity politics to segregate and we’ve been collectively under horrible economic times. It’s part of my bitterness towards the 60’s revolution. Plus, I don’t have a prominent uranus so my natal Neptune feels slighted. lol. Spirit ruled by a detriment mars.. I may feel fortunate to have it conjunct a domicile Venus. May.. I’m enjoying these episodes and hopefully that mars detriment didn’t seep in causing an exile. 😆 Good episode, listened 3 times.

M'god, Chris. You put so much work into this. 👏👏👏👏👏

I am a Pisces rising with Jupiter in Virgo in the 7th whole sign house with an exact receiving square to the moon. When I was 24, I went through a divorce which left me without a place to live but my parents took me in. I think both the concept of a loss of autonomy as well as the concept of exile describe that situation really well. For a long time I looked for difficult transits concerning my 4th house and lord of 4th house for that year and couldn't find any. However, when I learned that detriment is more akin to exile, it made sense as I was literally driven out of my home.

Hey- I'm a student of spiritual studies and fellow-scorpio as well. Look, I just ordered what you recommended, Honeycomb and am so thankful, that is the book I need to learn. From this podcast, I understand nothing and I look forward to someday being able to follow along well. Peace.

Great session Dr. Dukes and Chris 🔥🎉 thank you 👍🙏

I have Uranus in Leo in my 7th house (opposing my ascendant Aquarius). Also Have four planets in domicile: moon in cancer 6th, Venus in Libra 9th, Jupiter in Sagittarius 11th, and Saturn in Capricorn 12th. But Just realizing from your conversation about the Uranus detriment/inversion/exile/antithesis placement, wow which is rough, divorce etc challenges, not the end of the world haha. Learning a lot from your podcast Chris glad you're feeling better, grateful.

Can you make a video about planets in fall and what that means? How that can manifest in a natal chart and its comparison to detriment

Yep i can confirm that with the lord of the 11th in detriment (in the 5th) I struggle to make friends in my hometown, but as soon as i travel I easily find friends. Sadly then I'm a loner again when I go back home :(

Hi Chris!! Thanks so much for this episode! Any chance on doing one about fall?? Would compliment this series greatly

Really interesting information. Thank you both for taking the time for this. I thought I might add this thought....We know that originally the 7th was the place of death or gave significations for death being the setting place as well as marriage. Perhaps this signification of conflict and adversity when in the sign opposite the domicile is the reason that in Persian astrology the 7th gained the signification of conflicts and controversy? Just a thought! I really tend to agree with Chris about how this knowledge was something that was simply understood and therefore perhaps the earlier astrologers found no need to explain it. It is obvious the delineation was there even though the reasoning was not necessarily specified. Again nice work!

Hi Chris! Thanks for this video :) Also, I'm seeing how closely tied the Indian traditions are as many videos often bring up the vedic tradition. Now I'm curious how ancient astrology (if at all) has any ties to the Chinese tradition? Just something that crossed my mind toward the end of this video. Would love to know your thoughts and how awesome would it be to see an interview on this!

This is a great discussion thank you! I was born with Mars copresent with Venus in Taurus in 12th.. so the ruler of 6th Scorpio is in detriment. I will have to look at this more but straight away I can say I have martyr tendencies.. I work very hard with very little or no assistance and go unrecognized, albeit used. Every so often I have a tantrum but then I just suck it up and do the hard work towards success, very determined, never give up. Also Jupiter ruler of 7th and 10th is in fall in 8th Capricorn and I have degree in small business management specializing in accounting. It feels like I have to work harder for what others get easily. Also things (big things) get in the way and taken away. I often have to let go of my wishes and carry on. I feel like a foreigner a lot !!! Don’t quite fit in. People like me, but I’m different 🤩

I listened to this episode more than a few times in a weird way in several increments. Fully, starting over, rewinding, etc. today it was related to another astrologer discussing placements in old hindu astrology where I became curious to then looking at several charts to see if things appeared in other ways. Mainly, I personally relate to this episode a lot by having a spirit ruler in detriment which is solving an astrology riddle. I did some loose research to see if it’s worth researching related to spirit ruler equaling mind which technically fits into the daimon philosophy. That’s harder to explain. Right out of the gate because it was a weird way I was pulled in, I found many big bodies in semi modern history having sect malefic spirit rulers. A big big baddy with detriment, I questioned if it was ethical and maybe putting it down because it looked very accurate. I think found a current big baddy with a nice Jupiter ruler which actually fits the way that individuals mind works. Loyal and generous to who are loyal, all about expansion along with Jupiter things in that sign. I started to look at actual mars in libra which I had to stop for time, I want to make sure charts are accurate also. Roman Polanski may be accurate, especially if Venus is in fall. JK Rowling may possibly be accurate especially if Venus is also in fall. I wouldn’t be shocked if Rowling is because my reaction to her being exiled was “technically, she’s right.” Could have explained it better, but there’s been an over correction that’s causing unintended problems. I’m considered ethics, I actually listened to an episode on sexual orientation signatures which was by accident, my mind was on ethics related to spirit ruler. Prior to death, Jung wrote a book for the public to clear up misunderstandings with his models and one was anima/animus. They don’t actually exist as anima/animus, but mixed with different archetypes. One case included in the book was a patient who was having homo-erotic dreams where the patient and analyst were prepared him to call off his wedding and come out to his family only to find that this animus archetype was actually a symbol for his cold feet to get married. This baffled the analysts initially, but it’s common. It’s common both ways. Heterosexual men can have an animus, it may even mix with other archetypes. It’s just a rule of thumb to explain what an archetype is where it also needs understood Jung is criticized for having a mistress who was actually a mistress for Emma also. Letters suggest Emma was very in love with Spielrein. Everyone is flawed, Jung had many. But so do others, it should have been clear in the 60’s that anima/animus were not biologically sex related nor related to anything physical as archetypes are not. We sometimes inject our own desired interpretations which brings in my pondering on ethics since any astrological placement needs to be considered individually. Take my own sexual astrology interpretations, I’ve seen a lot on mars/Venus conjunctions plus Pluto. High sex drive? I don’t know, I wouldn’t know any different. I do know having Saturn rule the 5th and ascendant ruled by 12th with 12th in 12th I’m preferential to celibacy or, at least, abstaining even if active. Regardless, that 12th chooses physical detachment so that triple conjunction is irrelevant. It may not always be that way, I just have other concerns where I don’t care. It’s complicated/complex. At the same time, considering ethics: is there any way to stop potential ethical issues like others labeling a spirit ruled by a malefic evil? No. That resolved my issue. 😜 Eminems chart read by spirit ruler is actually fascinating. It’s like if Rowling has mars in detriment as ruler (eminem doesn’t, but it’s involved), she doesn’t care about being exiled. Just “we’ll, right is right so the consequences don’t matter..” Anyhow, great episode. I could lay out my Uranus theory but this is too long already.

Side note: There are so many Arabic parts. Even one called "Lost animal"! Could you interview someone from that heritage to do an episode on Arabic parts?

Looking forward to August 2020 forecast episode!

Chris I love your work. I have learned so much from you and want to say thank you! I have a question, where dose the meaning of the houses come from. Like why dose the 3rd house mean our thoughts. Where did that meaning come from? I understand them intuitively, the 10th house is the most seen part of the chart, but is that all she wrote?

Vedic astrology has the concept of "Badhak" has similar meaning to detriment...Badhak is 11th lord, 9th Lord and 7th lord for cardinal, fixed dual signs respectively...

This made me think of moon nodes more often than planets etc. i had to break from reading cosmos and psyche due to weather patterns causing sinus headaches, but what I thought was interesting was I was able to guess Tarnas was a mars in libra reading the first few chapters having that natal. Harvard must be slang for prison or something… 😁 What was it? I’ve noticed I have a very specific libra like attitude towards anything mars stands for which is very much an early focus (could easy be more, I’m not deep into it) right out of the gate up to awareness of the world around an individual. I think it was said in another cast that detriments aren’t exactly as bad as they make them out to be which I agree, it was said here also. It’s just challenging. I have a hard time how others express their mars without often considering others like that’s normal… which it is. The positive of mars in libra sometimes is being condescending like being very verbal about how invading iraq was a bad idea then being able to sarcastically say “what did we learn, kids. You can’t invade a nation, murder their leader, and expect to still have friends”. My libra issue is snobby sarcasm sometimes. 😉 That’s more the negative side. Friends were into the Diablo 2 remake and view a detrimental placement as a soul stone shoved in your skull or something trying to contain it. I really didn’t think so much hate for mars in libra existed until that last mars transit through libra. Over dramatic in my opinion. Sometimes you have to take others or other into consideration.. pffff.. I’m not even going to attach a song with libra mars because I’ve done that before and it’s really unpleasant. That’s offensive sarcasm territory.

Could the negative signification or conditioning of a diametrical placement have something to with it being a syzygy of sorts?

Interesting meanings and deep knowledge

Great Friend and Enemy is I think Vedic's (India) ? concept, er "version" of Detriment, and Domicile. Just thought I'd throw that out there, if you we're just checking we paid attention :)) Rockin' video BTW. Thanks!

What about accidental placement.. Venus is in derteremint in Aries .. but at the same time Aries is the seventh house as a derivative house from Libra ..so Venus is in the seventh house of its own home, with a Libra Vibration even when it is in Aries ..so is the opposition - antithesis concept softened here because Venus in Libra is dealing by nature with otherness ..and thus in Aries it is even more engaged with that concept of engaging with otherness even when engaging with self ?

Did I understand correctly that the opposition of the Sun in Cancer - Moon in Capricorn is considered positive because of helping lord of Moon (Sun in cancer)? Thank you.

Wow... I have Moon in my 5th house of Gemini opposite Mercury in Sagittarius in 11th house... with Jupiter. That's why I'm not comfortable here in my native country and I wanted to live in a foreign land...

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Taking it negatively has a lot to do with the facial expression, head stance, and tone of voice of the particular astrologer saying it. They talk as if it's a stab wound to the heart of that area of the subject's life.

So how about if you have: the lord of the lot of acquisition sitting opposite 😭 and coincidentally that lord also in the 8th house 😭 Also that lord is in detriment 😭 also opposite to pluto 😭 also that lord in a mars ruled sign in a day chart 😭 where, in turn, natal mars is in fall 😭 and is also out of bounds 😭?