Detroit Firefighter's are the hardest working men!!!! Right when the first alarm rings, they haul as as fast as they can!!!! They go ball's out!!!! They need more equipment, don't have enough!!! Detroit, give them what they need!!!!! They are so great.....💯💯💯💯👍👍👍👍!!!!!

Looks like they need water…

Amen!

Oh look another wannabe deck gun warrior 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Don't hurry guys

if the city of detroit defunds the police or fire dept, they deserve what ever they get.

I think that's all of the large cities. They're worth their weight in gold.

@@piushorning4869. Same for Philly. Philly has a idiot Mayor.

How about training you can buy fire engines with 500 gallon tanks or 750.. You could’ve protected that exposure much quicker their training sucks

Should’ve dumped the monitor

Several years ago I rode with E-31 S-4 Several shifts, 31 always dumped the monitor while we were stretching. 🤷‍♂️

@@DJ88Masterchief That's what I was thinking.

Reverse lay is fine if another pumper is right behind you. In this case they should have set up their lines , maybe a deck gun, and let the next due engine lay to the hydrant

@Jody Rockhill the way Detroit does it, is they have 2 11/2's bundles attached to a gated Y that connected to a 3". They drop the bundles in front of the house and the engine goes to the hydrant, then charges the 3"

I've said this over & over on these videos. Not every FD uses deck guns, inc. the FD I work for.

@@46fd04 Every department should. I think it's one of the most valuable tools that the fire department has these days. Quickest, cheapest and easiest.

@@beckytwister01 Do me a favour? Call my boss and tell him.

Water one have been helpful.

I was just about to post this lol

Why should DFD waste time, manpower and resources on dilapidated houses. Once it's determined no one is inside and there's no occupied properties at risk, let it go. Let it collapse on itself and burn into the ground. Two less eyesores for the neighborhood to contend with.

The city of Detroit has been going down the drain long before the 2008 financial crisis, decades of corruption on all levels from mayors all the way up to the governors office, greedy unions also played a part, and the race riots in the 1960s led many people and businesses to leave and not come back. Which leads to lost tax revenue, and the vicious cycle of poverty and crime continues. It's possible for Detroit to make a comeback to It's glory days, bit that would take a complete change of leadership along with investors willing to sink millions of dollars to clean up and rebuild what was lost.

Well said and totally agree. They ruined a beautiful city

First sensible reply I've seen. Everyone criticizing DFD for this response is just showcasing that they have absolutely zero comprehension of the situation. With the attitudes they have, 90% of the commenters on here wouldn't last a week on one of our trucks or engines.

My pops DFD 56 TO 76 ,back injury (s) had him early retire Falling through main floor on a house fire into the basement. Anyhow DFD is the best in the country!!

There are thousands of abandoned, dilapidated houses in Detroit. Absolutely no one cares if these buildings burn down. In fact, it's better for everyone if they do. Yet another example of Europeans showing their inferiority complexes while we bail their continent out yet again through our support of Ukraine. When are you going to just accept that we're superior to you and that you're just dead weight?

In Europe they use garden hoses and fight fires as the same as they did in the 1940's These were abandoned buildings, literally no need to rush and risk a FF getting hurt

That fire should have been 90% knocked down on both houses with the Deck Gun on tank water by the 1:00 mark. A booster line could have handled mop up. Also, on tank water.

@@JB91710You’re right but the thinking in Detroit is if they leave a partially burned house standing the locals will use it as a drug house. So once they get rolling just let ‘em burn right to the ground. It took DFD 4:46 to start throwing water with an exposure lit up. IMO they should’ve done more faster to mitigate the exposure house…and deck gunned it.

@@JB91710 100% agree that deck guns are way under used. I’m retraining our department to justify why it wasn’t our first action.

@@mikehoysler4322 Yes, they absolutely should have saved the exposure. If for no other reason but to prove they could do it.

😂

Nah I thought gasoline worked better in a situation like this

Agreed. This is hard to watch. When you have as many fires as DFD, you should start to get better at fighting them after a while.

@@phantompiper2262 Or you could stop being so narcissistic and realize that there is zero point to extinguishing it. Long abandoned neighborhood with zero exposures. Let it burn and then fill in the hole to get rid of the problem

Probably the 5th fire or so for that shift/ crew...even the best get tired after a while...

@@aaronjwalkerga or maybe they just aren't that good that department to east of them would of had water on already and fire wood be out

These were abandoned buildings, literally no need to rush and risk a FF getting hurt

That's no excuse.

@@gordonjeffery2062 Fifth sentence is a great excuse.

This is 75% of most volunteer departments. Working with little or no equipment. FOR FREE .

It's not 'old school'. It's a reverse lay and it actually makes sense when you watch it done by people who know how to do it well. One of the rigs on my department is actually set up with this kind of deployment in mind... because we have properties with crazy set-backs that do NOT allow us to get close with your typical amidships pre-connects. When we pull up... and we dump our hose packs and some extra 5 inch, the guys we drop with all that, can advance toward the home, often across a small bridge over a ditch, that could NOT sustain the weight of any of our rigs. They can advance up to the fire with plenty of line to set up shop with, to go in and do the business. That's an initial attack line, AND a back-up line. Meanwhile, the pumper pulls off and stretches either to the hydrant, or to a mid-point between the fire and the nearest hydrant where another engine drops their tail to them and goes to the hydrant to do a relay. The road in front of the involved property? Still open... I can have EMS come in and go on-deck for rehab, or to contend with occupant injuries. I can also have another unit pull through and dump ladders and tools for an equipment pool, and pull off to get out of the way. In Detroit's case... keeping the front of the building clear of engines, means that they've got ALL the room in the world for ladder companies in the front, if they're needed in a defensive posture. The option is an ace-in-the-hole for them. Between FDNY and Detroit... there aren't too many other fire departments in the US, who have as much experience with a variety of different structure types on fire. They do what works, and what they do has been pressure-tested in the real world. If you want to be a firefighter that really knows their business, you pay attention and go to classes put on by highly experienced folks from Detroit, New York, Los Angeles, Chicago, Seattle, Cleveland, San Francisco, Miami, Dallas, Houston, Cincinnati, and other places that are veritable BANKS of credible experience. They don't get much better than Detroit.

They are not first responders, they are Firemen

Yeah get busy , water!! Chop chop My Dad was DFD 58 to 76, forced retired from back injuries

Squad 2

I try my best

Deck gun gives you about 90 seconds of water. With the situation Detroit is facing, there is absolutely zero reason for anyone to risk their lives on an abandoned structure. Take your time, get everything set and everyone goes home.

Agreed , however my first thought is first due in should have stopped , deployed hand lines and pumped from tank then second due in should have layed LDH to first due in

Abandoned homes. They want them to burn so they don't have to deal with them later.

@@jdaz5462 It's not an issue of wanting them to burn or not, it is an issue of why put people's lives at risk to save something that is unoccupied

@Anthony L It's both.

Tell him to buy extra battery!! And or ? Well keep it charged kid lol He always cuts (fires) way short , I don't get it

Just enjoy the video

99% of the houses that catch on fire in Detroit are vacant abandoned and run down as 8 year veteran of the fire department myself I can tell you when it comes to houses like that there's no need to rush let it burn But I've seen other videos of the Detroit fire department And I can tell you when it's a occupied house or dwelling as they say in Detroit they hustle

Don't blame the FD, blame the politicians for not providing adequate manpower or funding for the proper equipment. Watch the documentary "Burn" about Detroit and it will explain it all.

I lived in Detroit most of my life and you cannot get insurance for most of these homes. Just don't live next to an abandoned house or you're screwed cuz it will burn down and take yours with it!

@@firemedic801 the politicians have zero impact on how long it took these guys to get water flowing, which took over 4 minutes, they had the truck, the lines and a water supply, 4 minutes is embarrassing. You can whine all you want about politicians, but it’s down to the guys on the fire ground how quickly they make the fire go away. Do you think they really needed to flake out 1000ft of attack line?

You don't have to be a jackass.

They did exactly what they should have. It's abandoned buildings that should have been torn down years ago. There is zero reason anyone on that fireground should have put their life in danger to save an unsalvagable building

@@anthonyl950 every FF on this scene should be fired

Yep. Totally required a deck gun. I speculate that they don't train on them so they don't come to mind when deploying.

The initial pumper drove down to the hydrant for a water supply. To far away for deck gun.

@@paullandreville5394 Obviously they would have had to stop in front of the building to use a deck gun but they probably would have been able to knock it down and then go to the hydrant or else my then a 2nd and he would've arrived to supply water! All I did in this case was drop a line and run to the hydrant. It still took forever to get water on the fire and they had so much hose on the ground it took the latch untangling it to make it usable.

Because some FD's don't have Deck Guns, that's why

@@46fd04 considering they are Req by ISO I believe every new truck delivered in the United States has one!

Please republish your article about deck guns.

Maybe DFD don't have deck guns. The FD I work for don't have them either.

Yes

Exactly finally somebody who knows something about Detroit I'm sitting here listening to all these arm chair Firefighters who know nothing about how this job is done giving their opinion About how slow these guys are moving not knowing that the Detroit fire department is some of the most bad a** firefighters and one of the best fire departments in the United States with the limited resources and money problems that they have.

@@bigredd690 - I'm not a firefighter, my uncle was one (although not for Detroit), and he always pointed a few things out to me via fire documentaries... I also lived in the Detroit Area during my adolescent days back in the 70s, and remember when many of the auto plants were still operating, and those now empty neighborhoods (Some in which the very nature that was there when the French explorer Cadillac founded the city over 400 years ago - is now reclaiming the land) still were very much occupied and lived in...

Can’t figure out if that’s a compliment or an insult. 😂

@@nanachick05 both 😂

Hey, nothing burned like Dresden did when we firebombed it into oblivion! Seriously, we should just leave you guys to the Russians.

Why? These were abandoned buildings, no need to rush

Good information to know. Now scram.

@@RLTtizME LMAO.

It's unsafe to go through the window of an abandoned vacant house like that you don't know if the floor is there if there's a hole in the floor if the floor is strong enough to hold the weight that's a dangerous move

6:26 minute video. Thank you for commenting. I appreciate it

It's all about their work ethic, not their physical or emotional condition. Firefighting just ain't that hard! Two REAL firefighters could have knocked this down by the 1:00 mark and mopped it up by the 5:00 mark.

@@JB91710 You seem to have a lot to say coming from someone who comes from such a slow ass po-dunk jolly volly department. DFD runs more jobs in 1 month than you've ran in your whole jolly volly "career". 60-70% of the houses burning in Detroit are abandoned & dilapidated. Are they slow? Absolutely, I'm not making excuses, but I can also understand their situation. They run AT LEAST 2,000 fires A YEAR. Some years ago, it was closer to 4,000. That's 10 fires A DAY. That wears on a person after a while. Anybody who agrees otherwise is obviously clueless and has never been a real firefighter worth a shit.

I retired from LA. Co and was assigned to FS 16’s. We covered or assisted Parts of Los Angeles City, Huntington Park, Watts, and Compton. We could easily get three or four structures a day! We have a responsibility to be at our best every time the tones dropped! It would have been better for the first in to utilize the deck gun to accomplish a good headway prior to hand lines being deployed! I make no judgments however, I wasn’t on scene and so I bring no accusations against my brothers on the line. I am says we make no excuses! Get the job done efficiently and efficiently!

@@bondservantministriesinc.672 I have 33 years with LAPD... I've been working alongside the JTTF / providing support for them and FD personnel assigned to that for the last 14 years... We were on scene at the Boyd Street fire the day after it happened investigating and preparing the long road for prosecution of those responsible for that incident.. I'm very familiar with the county firefighters from Battalion 13... Hope you're having a great retirement

@@bondservantministriesinc.672 You HAVE to make judgement calls and put these people on the spot to explain their incompetence. You can NOT use the catch phrase, "I wasn't there" to give yourself an excuse for Protecting your brothers." That's BS! They should have done exactly what you said. No Excuses!

Detroit enough said. More door locks then a bank vault.

@@michaelatoz580 probably so

@@JS-zb1vv in my rental houses when I replaced doors I would wrap a sheet metal 2x4 over the wood 2x4 and screw them together good luck breaking in the door.

good question

Maybe coz they don't have them. My FD does not have deck guns.

DFD uses them often, go watch other videos especially fires where businesses are and hard working middle class people reside inside homes 😁

All valid observations. Good video for “what did they do well and what could our department do better”. As another morning quarterback…. Consider a deck gun to reset the fire, they could pull hose differently, get water on the fire faster, train on forceable entry and lose the lackadaisical fire scene tactics.

What, are you jealous of people who can think?

The truth hurts, Shawn.

Honestly how long it take to get actual water on fire Jesus, guy standing there looking at the nozzle like he’s never seen one, they are toast but at least make it look like your trying

@@JB91710 No. not at all. Having 10 people running around like chickens with their heads cut off never put out a fire. As for the length of time it took for water, do you know if the FEO hit a bad hydrant and had to go to another block. Just my observations.

Because a know-it-all hero like you wasnt there to tell them what to do

@@virgilhilts3924 Fuck off. I was asking a question.

@@chuckg2016 I know... and I clearly answered it 😆😅😂🤣

Most US fire engines carry 500 gallons of water.

Our trucks have thousand gallon tanks, enough for about 10 minutes running 2 1 3/4 lines. Usually we pull a pre connect and get water on the fire while supply is taken care of, either by dropping the 8" LDH hose and a hydrant man while the truck goes to the fire, or getting a portable tank set up and shuttling operations going with tankers.

In NYC we carried 500 gals.

We carry 750 on our pumpers

@@dave1135 The problem is, USA departments don't like to eliminate the flames quickly. Takes all the fun out of being a fireplayer. 95% of these videos prove that statement.

Bad fire hydrant

You must be sensitive about that problem. Try a pump or a pill.

Yep, and don't forget, they are the average citizen's heroes!

You don't have to be an ass.

Yes