Your in all caps blud

It is odd they are getting the driver car version. Detroits cars are more similar to Vancouvers. I guess they will delete this.

​​@@threeparots1All of the Mark 1 trains run automatically, The TTC just chose to have a "driver" in them to open/close the doors manually for safety reasons.

@@KardiFan2000 I was pretty sure this was the case. It was a Wierd addition to the Mark1s that weee never mentioned to have them. Only way they could be sold to TTC and keep the union happy I guess.

Yes!

Yep...Detroit actually filed for bankruptcy about 8-9 years ago

They are doing better then us LOL. They just need replacements for the people mover.

​@kathyt416 yah sure 🤣

It’s not nearly as bad as people think, they’re recovering from a tough economic situation. Much better than 10 years ago, they couldn’t afford these trains back then.

The technology is literally 40 years old lol... I'm surprised that the TTC is even getting a million tbh.

@KardiFan2000 I guess. Just saying it felt low to me. But I'm not in the train business.

I'm sure its more than the TTC would have gotten if they'd just scrapped them. Keep in mind that Detroit is also paying for them to be shipped. It's definitely a good deal for the TTC.

They scraped line 3 just because of poor maintenance, this is not retiring or dismantling. It's vandalism.

And he cant say how much is it worth. Did you saw how he smartly ignores the question? Set of Bloodsuckers.

The trains were fine, the tracks were falling apart.

Detroit also?

@@sportsmaster1364 The people mover is like 3 miles long and goes in a single direction. We have like 200 Mark-1's to get rid of.

@@RoboJulesI mean like that enough spares probably to keep it running. But who knows what really Detroit will lead to with People Movers and Streetcars. Heard Detroit was planning their own form of Skytrain back before the people mover was built using the same tech

@@TheRandCrews The reason why the Skytrain isn't total garbage like the Scarborough RT is that we kept upgrading it, and that includes the rolling stock. You wouldn't want to be using 30-40 year old rolling stock for a new system when the Innova tech vehicles have advanced so far - especially with the new Mark-V's.

we have one! it's called the halton county radial railway museum

@deltaultra but it's not accessible by transit ironically or close to the city so unless you drive its not easily accessible to get to

@@vette1 very true I wish it wasn't in the middle of nowhere lol

READ: NY-MTA

yes, it's almost like our transit system has the worst government funding in the world or something

TTC riders foot the bill for something like 70% of the TTC budget. The province likes to swoop in and offer up a few billion here & there for line upgrades or extensions, but typically that requires the feds and city to put in matching funds. Frequently, Ottawa isn't feeling very generous, and the city's operating budget is $15b, so an extra $3b charge for a new subway would represent a nice property tax increase. It does, however, tend to stop the requests for help with line extensions for a few years.

I wish it was all about funding. The TTC has no viable long-term planning model, and is terrible at prudent funding allocation. When you have limited funding - you still have a choice whether to replace the tiling and upgrade the aesthetic appeal of a subway station, or to improve its FUNCTIONALITY, such as install an extra escalator (something which is often much cheaper than large scale cosmetic upgrades). The cash that was spent on the last 9 cosmetic upgrades to stations could have been enough to build close to 30% of the long-awaited relief line, in fact scaling down such upgrades could have given the city a relief line a decade ago. Another part of it is the culture of absenteeism, perpetual lateness and slacking off which is being completely ignored by the management. Every week I see drivers leaving 15-20 minutes behind schedule because they're too busy talking to their buddies on the phone, right in front of the bus jam packed with people, displaying utter disrespect towards them. It's "normal" to have 2 or 3 buses arrive at a bus stop at the same time, followed by a waiting period of 45 minutes or longer. Or take the change of subway train operators. Out of every 10 crew changes - 3 take 5 minutes or longer, because the operator is customarily late, and it's seen as normal, - not even an apology to customers on the train. I haven't seen anything remotely similar anywhere else, and I honestly don't see how better funding could change this. Nor could it change reckless driving habits (like haphazard lane changes, rapid braking that endangers passengers' safety, or going 60 in the 30 km/h zone). torontolife.com/deep-dives/who-broke-the-ttc-inside-torontos-public-transit-disaster/@@georgejones8784

Still saves a lot of money for Toronto to not scrap the vehicles. Disposal fees for something that large is a lot of $

They were rebuilt in 2010s. TTC wanted new trains in 2000s but government would not fund money to rebuild the infrastructure to support the newer larger trains.

part of why detroit is doing so well financially now is their frugalness ‼️ why spend tons on new cars when you can just get used ones

The Pistons are a trash nba team right now they have lost like 23 or 24 games in a row.😂😂

Yeah it could be “the 6.” Lol

Browns destroyed the city

Yes! Don't forget no one can compete with Toronto's ghetto tendencies that your city officials and journalist love to cover up!

​@@americanhotdogwhat do you mean by that

The rt was using outdated technology and had services issues. A regular streetcar has more passenger capacity than 1 srt

The underlying technology was discontinued, so it's impossible to extend or upgrade the RT. It would have to be pulled out and rebuilt with newer technology, which was in the plans, but Scarborough repeatedly complained about the RT and demanded a subway instead, which is what they're getting. But subways take ten years to build, hence the decade of people needing to ride buses during construction.

@@mattl4802 tell that to Vancouver’s Skytrain that uses the same technology and has built out their system to be the largest metro in Canada. You think telling me that the technology is outdated does anything.. it doesn’t. An RT train has more capacity than a regular street car. Clearly you’ve never seen it during rush hour. Matthew, you’re chopped for commenting this bs. You don’t have to agree with me, but don’t come here and play in my face.

@@blackpanda7298 u dont hv to be obnoxious about it. And vancouver skytrain is facing a ton of passenger overload issues now. Its now having to upgrade skytrain stations n purchase larger trains (where it is able to). Go google overcrowded canada line. U see a ton of issues where some r even calling for a rebuilds. Apms also hv reliability issues in contrast to subways.

​@@blackpanda7298Vancouver probably wasn't stupid enough to make the curves and turns at the tightest radius possible like the TTC did. Otherwise we'd be running LRTs now.

LMAO Detroit is not bankrupt it's in better financial shape than Windsor Canada

TTC has not been the best since the early 90s after a subsidy from Ontario was cut. Detroit needs a few of these trains for the downtown people mover, which is a pointless one way loop, get rid of it.

The technology is good. TTC was neglecting line 3. With proper track and train maintenance and expansion, this system works extremely well and is very reliable and frequent in Vancouver. Detroit like line 3 is severely limited Detroit was supposed to be much larger than it was. As it stands it is kinda pointless. Perhaps they may expand it a bit. Interesting that there are no issues with the cars as they did upgrading to the cars as YVR did several years back.

If it was voted the best system in North America, then I’d check on the reliability of that list

@@peskypigeonx Montreal is certainly better and larger. Vancouver rates quite well for the size and design. My other half recently went to Toronto and found signage kinda poor. Where she was going she would have used line 3 had it been in operation. Shuttle bus was not well marked. Rest of the system is likely in better shape than many and they are trying to make it better. Tho they could have kept the line 3 In Operation until the subway was available.