Developer Reviews: Focal Bathys vs. B&W PX8, Momentum 4, and Airpods Max
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Күн бұрынDeveloper Reviews: Focal Bathys vs. B&W PX8, Momentum 4, and Airpods Max. I'm currently in the market for premium Bluetooth over-ear headphones.
In this video, I'll shoot out the Focal Bathys against the Bowers and Wilkins PX8, Sennheiser Momentum 4, and the Apple Airpods Max to find out which I like the most. Hopefully, you will also find this helpful.
0:00 Intro
01:45 Scope of delivery
02:31 Build
04:01 Comfort
06:22 Looks
08:30 ANC
09:45 Sound
12:23 Apps / Features
14:03 Price
14:30 Summary and My2Cents
Focal Bathys: geni.us/4OsCP
Apple Airpods Max: geni.us/kezoUx
Sennheiser Momentum 4: geni.us/y45r3MC
B&W PX8: Not available on amazon
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@d.nakamura9579 Жыл бұрын
Nice, detailed and thoroughly thoughtful review
@KAL-589 Жыл бұрын
Brilliant comparison! You are the only one to actually wear all headphones and properly compare the fit. Well done! Thank you!
@JeffJacquesmd Жыл бұрын
I like you enjoy music as a part of my daily life and have a few wired headphones for my daily listening needs, paired with a desktop rig and a portable rig. For travel and work related isolation needs I have usually used in ear BT monitors, but recently I desired some good quality over ears. I chose the B&W PX8, SQ, instrument separation, clarity and engagement are all excellent. I’ve not heard the Bathys, but I can see that if you prefer a purely neutral sound sig that the Bathys would be your preferred set. Very good over all approach to comparison and excellent overview. New Sub, thanks
@NiklasMX Жыл бұрын
Great review and I love your taste in music! IN FLAMES Colony is a classic! I have the Momentum 4 and I am super happy, I don't care about the looks, having said that, the sound, the battery quality and the unique Sennheiser sound helped me make my decision!
@rdeh1678 Жыл бұрын
I have a huge ask , I usually by very high end headphones for my son such as hifiman , focal , master&dynamic , but he keeps killing the battery and was thinking about the latest generation of the PSB m4u8 mk2 , what is your opinion about these at the moment he is using my Mark Levinson 5909 and do not him to kill them
@jocman7339 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for this.
@TonyZEHS Жыл бұрын
For the ANC comparison test, was the Bathys switched to heavy-ANC mode?
@JohannesFrey Жыл бұрын
Hey :) … yes they were.
@marekkowalski3814 Жыл бұрын
Hi, which headphones to choose, BOSE QuietComfort 35 II or Bowers & Wilkins Px8 ?
@JohannesFrey Жыл бұрын
Hi, I don’t know.. i haven’t tested the Bose QC 35
@netzbandit Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the review! As a developer working mostly in home office I would be very interested in how the Bathys perform in video calls? How good is the microphone?
@JohannesFrey Жыл бұрын
Hi, the microphone is actually quite good. I test called a friend of mine and asked about the quality and he had nothing to complain.
@marksoftime Жыл бұрын
Microphone is really decent. They’re worth the buy
@thomaskremer9219 Жыл бұрын
Guter Vergleich. Danke. Habe mir die Focal bestellt und bin gespannt wie sie im Vergleich zu den AirPods Max klingen. Die PX8 haben mich enttäuscht.
@MayTheSchwartzBeWithYou Жыл бұрын
If I heard you right, the Bathys would be better for classical and jazz, right? I have the APM, and while I think it was the best option at the time I bought it (especially for the USD 400 I paid for it), it looks like the Bathys might be a better option, though at twice the price I paid for the APM, I wonder how much better you consider it to be than the APM for classical and jazz.
@JohannesFrey Жыл бұрын
Hey… that’s a question that’s quite hard to answer because of preference and also because we are in an area of diminished returns… the Bathys cost twice as much but are obviously not twice as good… but there is a difference… whether it’s worth double the price for you… I don’t know.. but as I said… I did choose the Bathys
@tldhthompson Жыл бұрын
I’m still waiting for someone to include the KEF mu7
@fejzillah2299 Жыл бұрын
nice review
@Jafri_Jahan 6 ай бұрын
Momentum 4 also plays sound through the usbc and unlike the focal it also charges it at the same time.
@seefeel2043 Жыл бұрын
Cheers from a developer here! Comfort-wise, do you see one's ears not tired or sore after a day in PX8?
@falcodarkzz Жыл бұрын
Interesting how we all differ. I had Airpods max, bathys and PX8 all side by side. The latter two for me were in a totally different league to APM, they had noticably more detail and better timbre.
@eruilluvitar Жыл бұрын
I love the Bathys, but the PX8 were an absolute no go for me. Haven't heard the AirPods Max for more than a few minutes, though. They're not really in the running since I'm not a big Apple user.
@Nurek76 Жыл бұрын
@@eruilluvitar Hey! What made px8 a “no go” for you?
@jaypalmer3806 Жыл бұрын
@@Nurek76 If they didn't mention it, then they probably don't know themselves... I have Max and PX8, X8 are fantastic!
@Nurek76 Жыл бұрын
@@jaypalmer3806 Hey! Thanks. Bought the PX8, haven’t had a chance to check Max as from the design standpoint they’re a “no go” for me. Regarding the PX8, I can hear the weird compression sounds accompanying the cymbals (I’m afraid that I agree with most things that Resolve said in his review, it’s a shame that he did not covered the eq as I think that the headphone benefits from it much), and the stock bass setting is way too much (I might need to check how it performs with AptX/cable, got an iPhone). Compared with the test pair at my local dealer, sounded the same. Mid bass is overpowering for heavier music genres. I set it up for -3,5 db when working with ANC (-2,5 db without ANC). Still, I cannot sit in the headphones for long, I find them fatiguing and compared to my other headphones there’s almost no sub bass. 😵💫 I like how PX8 performs with Jazz, artists like Agnes Obel and classic music. The soundstage is intimate albeit not really super wide. It’s a shame I had no chance to check out the Bathys (not really fond of the size for the mobile headphones), wonder how it compares with heavier/ faster music genres / artists like Camo & Krooked or Leprous. Sorry for the long post. 😅 I’ll keep them as they’re completely different from everything I had until now. Love how the connection works and the app is really great for my needs (I think it works faster then the Tidal app). They make some of my music playlist sound fresh and exciting. 😊 I find some posts that suggest boosting the bass slider fascinating. It makes the headphone completely unlistenable for me.
@user-bb2dr6qj7f Жыл бұрын
Hello, what about Bang and Olufsen h95?
@JohannesFrey Жыл бұрын
Hi my friend... unfortunately I cannot shoot out all headphones on the market. It happened that I had those 4... so I compared them. I don't have any access to B&O h95 currently.
@rizakayan Жыл бұрын
I tried bo95. It is very neutral, for classical music they would be amazing, but not as energetic as m4. If they were same priced, i would still opt for m4.
@vancybergoth Жыл бұрын
A very interesting review, I am considering to buy the Focal Bathys, Bowers & Wilkins PX8 or Mark Levinson 5909.
@JohannesFrey Жыл бұрын
Thanks :)
@vancybergoth Жыл бұрын
@@JohannesFrey I also subscribed to your channel right away, if there is death metal in the review, I have to support it. 😀
@JohannesFrey Жыл бұрын
Hehe… thank you very much :) … btw… I go to see In Flames live next week 😜
@vancybergoth Жыл бұрын
@@JohannesFrey Then I wish you a lot of fun at the In Flames concert next week. I'm watching Benighted live this Sunday.
@trebleclef4889 Жыл бұрын
For Focal, it is said that the sound is distorted in some songs at high volume. Have you experienced this?
@JohannesFrey Жыл бұрын
Hey :-) … I’ve not noticed any distortion… but then again I‘m not blasting my ears with crazy loud volume ;-)
@trebleclef4889 Жыл бұрын
@@JohannesFrey I got my bathys and sound is really good. And its loud :) But can not connect dac mode with cable. Dont know why. My phone can not see device. Otg is enabled. How we can charge this thing? Type c cable and computer usb input or something? No adapter in box.
@JohannesFrey Жыл бұрын
@@trebleclef4889 Hey :-) ... glad that you like them. I haven't much issues using the headphones in DAC mode... regarding the charging... yes you charge them with the usb-c cable... I typically just use my laptop for that... but the headphones cannot be charged while connected over usb-c in DAC-mode
@trebleclef4889 Жыл бұрын
@@JohannesFrey I found usb c input in my leptop. Its working for cahrging, yes i am using headphone off mode when charging. Also dac mode is working when connected my leptop. I think something wrong at my phone OTG connection. Dac mode is amazing when i try at my leptop. Currently i cant try it in my phone. But will try it another phone. Thank you for your answer and review. I really liked that headpohone. Just for information other guys, this headphone louder than momentum 3, xm4 :) And deffinetly sound quallty much better.
@dariuszwojcik1601 6 ай бұрын
Sadly the headband on the px8 is not properly glued and coming off after few months so the build quality is not as good :(
@Coldgecko Жыл бұрын
excellent review. Probably the best I've seen yet. Thanks.
@fcp1893 11 ай бұрын
Great choice of In Flames :D px8 anc is better than bathys? Because I've had the px7 s2 and its anc was not only weak but turning my head left or right would break the seal and outside noise would go in. I got the bathys open box for 570€ and I'm waiting for their arrival hoping that it's anc was better that Bowers, which I have returned. But if you say that Bathys anc is worse than PX8 than I'm going to be disapointed for sure and probably will have to return them as well
@JohannesFrey 11 ай бұрын
Hey man, I mean breaking the seal and things like that also depend on the shape of the head and things like that. What I mean by saying the ANC isn't as good is... when sitting still and working... the ANC cancels out less background noise than the others... so let's say under optimal conditions they perform not as well as the others in this department. I hope the explanation helps a bit :-)
@fcp1893 11 ай бұрын
@@JohannesFrey yeah for sure. But I was hoping that Focal would perform better given my experience with the Px7 S2 but it seems not. But I hope I receive the Bathys soon to be able to test that out by myself
@robinr5787 Жыл бұрын
Momentum 4 here for BT, anc and silent listening on the work place. That leaves you budget for a decent wireless open headphone for listening at home (sennheiser hd6 or hd5 series for example). Think I got the best of both worlds for the same budget.
@bfree45 Жыл бұрын
Great vid man :) just got APM yesterday for $430 instead of $550 but still considering returning them for the Bathys. I’m definitely an audiophile guy and usually listen with Hifiman Aryas but the noise of my work environment is just too much for open back lately. The ANC on the AirPods Max is just so good… but I want that audiophile quality that you get with the Bathys…decisions decisions!
@bfree45 Жыл бұрын
Ok follow up... I returned the AirPods Max and got a demo Bathys for discount, and yeah... I made the right choice. The ANC isn't nearly as good but it's definitely not bad, it works and worth it for the bump in sound quality. Bathys have a true hifi sound, and I own some super high end headphones like the HiFiman Arya Stealth, He6Sev2, Ether Flow C... the Bathys still managed to impress me. Layering, imaging, soundstage, separation, all incredible. Surprisingly sweet tonality as well, not too V-shaped like most consumer BT headphones. Already, the BT quality alone is astonishing, but when you use the DAC mode with the usb c cable, it's easily just as good as the premium Focal wired closed backs.
@lolin2414 Жыл бұрын
Just remember is still Bluetooth so you won't get Audiophile quality from an over priced Bluetooth headphone that doesn't have good noise cancelation or transparency features. I do believe that the Bathys are well tune and sound good but again is a wireless headphone that that sounds good with a poor functionality 🤔🤷🏻♂️
@mrguru091 Жыл бұрын
what bout the momentum 4s I hear alot of audiophile like those. Have u compared those to the Bathys?
@bfree45 Жыл бұрын
@@mrguru091 I have not. I have tried Momentum 3, APM, Bathys, and Px8.
@bfree45 Жыл бұрын
@@lolin2414 I am aware of the differences. You can also listen to the Bathys or px8 completely wired with hi res lossless files and still enjoy the (mostly excellent) noise cancellation, which is a huge selling point. I also own focal clear mg, Dan Clark audio ether c, AKG n5005, and a desktop dac/amp stack. Can’t listen to open backs in public or even in a mildly noisy environment like a house with kids or falling asleep next to your spouse. Closed back are fine but if I wanted to use them with the best quality I’d have to use an amp/dac every time, and if it’s not a dongle that requires a power supply, aka more stuff (and more money invested) Or… When I wanna travel, work, connect to any tv or computer or gaming system in the house, block out noise, with the possibility of still enjoying the best possible audio quality via the built in DAC/amp and usb c connection, of course it’s gonna be worth it to invest in a high-end Bluetooth ANC pair. And when it comes to detail/resolution/imaging, both the Px8 and Bathys are most certainly audiophile quality, even more so when compared against the competition. With pure sound quality and resolution, they still easily hold their own against audiophile closed backs costing $600-1000
@MW-xv4mu Жыл бұрын
Thank you for the comparison, great choices! Roughly what price range would you say the Bathys/PX8 would be in a wired headphone with comparable SQ?
@JohannesFrey Жыл бұрын
Hey, I only have a limited set of wired headphones to compare them… and most of them are more expensive than the Bathys ;) … so maybe I‘m the wrong person to answer that question… sorry for that :-/
@alexbenstead5922 Жыл бұрын
Could tell you were going to pick the FBs 2 minutes in when you said you were comparing rest to them. FBs are partially open backed according to many other reviews.
@azerbouf Жыл бұрын
Have you considered Sony WH-1000XM5? Just wondering whats your thoughts
@JohannesFrey Жыл бұрын
Hey, sorry I currently don’t have the XM5 at hand. So I cannot compare them.
@rizakayan Жыл бұрын
I was on the market for upgrading from xm2 to xm4 or xm5. After trying a-b with xm2 and xm4, i was nearly convinced i will buy xm4 on black Friday. But then i went to another mediamarkt which had m4 available to demo. Whattt. Xm4 and xm5 was like trash near m4. Yes they have better anc than m4. Anc : Xm5:9 Xm4:8 M4:7 Sound : Xm5:7 Xm4:8 M4:9.5 Bass and clarity in m4 has no competition from Sony. I wanted to buy bathys, but in Turkey i can't find it or try. From store testing, i will be happy with my m4 i guess, it is arriving today.
@azerbouf Жыл бұрын
@@rizakayan Thanks for sharing! It is weird that xm4 sounds better than xm5 model =) Looks like xm4 is an average good headphones. Gonna wait for black Friday =) Must check the M4 out
@rizakayan Жыл бұрын
@@azerbouf xm4 is way better than my 5 year old xm2. If i didn't listen m4, i would be perfectly happy with the sound xm4 makes. Xm2 seems very durable, only some peeling off from pads, other than that still great condition, so xm4 will be very durable i guess. It depends on what u want from a headphone. Xm5 seems a bit more detailed than xm4, but for my taste i want more bass. None of these headphones will disappoint, they are all great. I just needed a new sound signature, which sennheiser provided me very nice.
@azerbouf Жыл бұрын
@@rizakayan Great review! Currently, I am with bose qc25 which are like 6-7 years old. Want to upgrade sound experience =)
@TomaszTomczuk Жыл бұрын
I've used AirPods Max and loved the sound but Momentum 4 are better for me. Haven't tested the other two.
@serrael-182 Жыл бұрын
Yes im supriced that he dislikes the M4 that much. For me they are better sounding than the sony xm5, A.Pods Max and even the px7 II (but could be a taste thing). And way better than the bose qc45 of course :D. The other ones in this test i coudnt try but they would be to expensive anyway. I now bought the momentum 4 and the only thing i dislike is that i have to use the equalizer to get a more balanced normal sound (even though a lot of people seem to prefer the base havy standart sound) and that the app seems pretty slow.
@TomaszTomczuk Жыл бұрын
@@serrael-182 Yes I also adjusted some of the settings on eq. I like the closes to natural sound. I use to use Ultrasone DJ 1 and they were amazing for me for so many years. Now Momentum 4 sounds very close to what I use to. I would say that the app is not great but I'm hoping they would improve it.
@serrael-182 Жыл бұрын
@@TomaszTomczuk Theres one thing i noticed. Theres a tone inbalance around 1 khz and 2 khz. The right is louder than the left side. Is this something more headphones suffer from? Im thinking of contacting the support. If they can fix that i would be very happy with them...
@LeMeBucallion Жыл бұрын
The Momentum 4 have audio over USB
@revelationsoundstudio Жыл бұрын
Thank you for your insightful review. I am attracted to the PX8 and Bathys. With that said since I have tenttitus issues, it sounds like the Focals with its more laid back spacious sound would be eaiser on my ears vs the PX8
@nightwaves_ 3 ай бұрын
Hey. I know this is an old comment, but I believe I also suffer from mild tinnitus. Can you explain more about why spacious audio is preferred or more comfortable? I haven’t thought about this before
@revelationsoundstudio 3 ай бұрын
I actually purchased the PX8'S and just love them. No tinnitus issue with them
@nightwaves_ 3 ай бұрын
@@revelationsoundstudiointeresting, ok. I have the Px7 s2 for about a year now, and I did just watch another video that says headphones with ANC and closed back add pressure to the ear drums more. I obviously like ANC when I need it, but am worried now that maybe it’s causing more harm than good compared to open backs. Do you have issues with IEMs?
@TheIrishMedievalArcher Ай бұрын
My god maaaan you got me with that explanation. New subscriber here. 🙋🏻♂️ Would you please help me? Which one is louder Bathys or PX8? Greetings!
@netral3571 Жыл бұрын
Focal bathys is amazing
@pavelperina7629 Жыл бұрын
Very good review. I started exploring what to get into office. Here in Czech Rep. PX8 are for 18k CZK (735eur), Focal are for 20K (816eur). At this point it does not matter. Question is if I actually that expensive headphones. 5 years ago I bought Sennheiser PXC550 for 11000, due to inflation it's almost the similar price. But they sound a bit muffled and faux leather starts falling apart so first option is to have them repaired if spare parts are still available, second option is buying Sony (from one review it's like WH4 sounds pretty muffled too, if not more, so it won't help. WH5 are better, but still not perfect). I don't regret buying them, there are extremely useful in the office. By the way, five years ago I tried Bose QC35 as well. I could not stand them, cause with music off, I had very weird, unpleasant feeling of pressure, something you may experience in landing airplane with stuffed nose or sort of like being under the water. I don't know if it's their ANC just simulates this feeling by filtering some frequencies, but with Sennheiser I have zero issues. It feels like all sounds are nextdoors. Did anyone had this feeling with any ANC?
@igprborysenko425 Жыл бұрын
Yep. The same preassure with Bose q45.
@jeid3822 9 ай бұрын
For me I LOVE BASS SO I WOULD GO TO SENNM4 AMONG THOSE HEADPHONES❤😮😊
@PeterbFree Жыл бұрын
The B&W also have a built in DAC, all you have to do is connect them via the supplied cable. And they do charge while you are listening to them wired in. Thanks for the great review, you did a very good job 👍
@sandorfuleki5060 Жыл бұрын
Wrong! The Bathys have the built in DAC, not B&W, from all the reviews I have seen.
@PeterbFree Жыл бұрын
@@sandorfuleki5060 Oh dear. Yes they have a DAC, just not a DAC mode switch.
@pavelperina7629 Жыл бұрын
@@PeterbFree Technically for sure if you mean electric circuit, but my Sennheiser PXC550 use some kind of weird bluetooth-over-usb tunneling or something. Even when they are connected via USB they behave exactly the same way as via BT: If some PC application requires microphone, they turn into headset device and music quality goes to hell even thou they are not limited by BT bandwidth. I would expect that they behave just like USB sound card (plus keyboard, cause gestures are translated to volume up/down, pause/stop, forward/back keys), but sadly they don't. I'm not sure how other headphones behave, but this is somewhat annoying feature, you basically can't play video game and use voice chat at the same time, sound quality for everything but voice is unacceptable.
@ekjellgren Жыл бұрын
Seems sloppy not to investigate this before the comparison.
@bkrc123 Жыл бұрын
Have you also tried the B&O H95?
@JohannesFrey Жыл бұрын
Hi, no unfortunately I don't have them at hand.
@GlassHouse80 6 ай бұрын
I've tried all of these, but the Bathys. Add the new Bose Ultra's to that list. Out of all of them, the Mommentum 4's were the best overall for sound, and comfortably for me. The Apple's comfortably the worst, by some distance. Interesting to see how different people's ears are. My advice. Buy headphones from some where it's easy to return them. In the last 12 months, I've bought and returned 7-8 sets of headphones/earbuds. I settled on the Senny Momentum 4s for when I'm at my desk and the OnePlus Buds Pro 2s for travelling. Like I said, everyone's ears are different. There isn't one set that works for everyone.
@shonen84 Жыл бұрын
Really like your review! The Bathys really look like a Ferrari, indeed. And their app is as finicky as the car 🤣
@JohannesFrey Жыл бұрын
Thanks :)
@Patrickmathieu0482 Жыл бұрын
Hi everyone! I went to a store to listen to px8 and bathys. I have momemtum 4 for now and i want a better sound. The px8 played a little bit louder than the bathys but the bathys sounds way better. They are more detailed, more precise and the soundstage is wider. But the only complaints is the volume. I need more volume !!! The volume on the bathys is too low :( Never listen to airpods max, so can someone help me? I listen to metal, rock like metallica, so i want a punchy bass :) I feel like my momemtum 4 sounds better than the bathys :( Momemtum 4 has more punch in the sound, and a warmer sound. If the bathys can give me more punchy bass and a little bit clarity, i would buy them. When i listened to the bathys it was straight out of the box with no eq and no app. So, you guys, did you try to eq the bathys with the app and does it change something? Sorry for bad english i speak french :) I ask the question because the bathys here are 999$ plus taxes, so 1200$ canadian 😮
@mrguru091 Жыл бұрын
I listen to mostly NIN METALLICA ALICE IN CHAINS AND SOME RAP AND HOUSE. How are you liking them so far? I was thinking bout getting them in white but it might get dirty quick
@Patrickmathieu0482 Жыл бұрын
@@mrguru091 for Metallica the px8 are the best! (For rap too). Px8 has better bass response and kick harder ! That’s we want with Metallica :) The soundstage is wider so, better instruments separation! If you want to spend less, go with momemtum 4. They kick harder than the px8 BUT not so tight and precise! Px8 are way louder than the others and by a large margin! Bathys is more detailed and they are better for jazz, blues, accoustics music. If you want fun for the kind of music you listen, go for px8 all the way !!! I guarantee you a lot of fun man !!! Sorry for bad english i speak french :) Hope this help :)
@mrguru091 Жыл бұрын
@@Patrickmathieu0482 are they alot louder than the momentum 4? I just saw the price 700 dollars as opp to 270 for momentum that's alot they have to sound a Hella lit better than the 4s to pay more than double. ur opinion?
@bigcdub Жыл бұрын
I think you should go a whole different route and try the Audio Technica M50BT, deep punchy bass, excellent detail, great soundstage, LOUD and blows away everything if you don’t want audiophile quality…
@mrguru091 Жыл бұрын
@@Patrickmathieu0482 Lol now a friend of mine is telling me to try the Bang and olsen H95 . Maybe I will spend a lot for my 1st pair of over the year headphones
@rsg7221 8 ай бұрын
Another developer here. I am keeping the Momentum 4 en buy the DT 1990 Pro for home use. I do want to test the T+A Solitaire T in the future tho.
@BG-fo4si Жыл бұрын
Nice job, man. Really professional video with valuable info for me. If I may suggest something, the "funny" things you are doing at the end looks a bit artificial. I'm not yet sure if that's what you wanted or it wasn't planned (cause I just discovered your channel), but I'd try to not pretend anything :D Others than that, great PR, I mean - great video. Keep it up, Buddy!
@JohannesFrey Жыл бұрын
Hey man :) thanks for your comment and your suggestion :) … what do you mean by „funny“ things? The pointing at the info cards?
@BG-fo4si Жыл бұрын
@@JohannesFrey Yup :D
@booma_ Жыл бұрын
I have the momentum 4 with creative BT-W4 on my PC for aptx adaptive. Great anc, great sound, epic 60h battery, aptx adaptive for low latency for gaming.
@eddyray666 Жыл бұрын
Too bad about the horrible L-R imbalance.
@domd8290 Жыл бұрын
@@eddyray666 Not all units have that.
@anna_nym Жыл бұрын
@@domd8290 Unfortunately, mine do. Pretty annoying, I will return them.
@eddyray666 Жыл бұрын
@@domd8290 Sorry Dom, missed your comment. I ordered 3 pairs from 3 different retailers and they all had it. Honestly. Can't be bothered with the M4 anymore.
@Thevikingcam Жыл бұрын
I got a black horse in to the race. I have many many headphonefrom 50$ to 2000$ and in my opinion the best BT headphone is Edifier STAX S3. Sure it dont have ANC but its closed back and the sound beats all of those, its not cheap either (300$ - 650€) but if you are looking for real hifi gade on BT, that is it.
@MadLadsAnonymous Жыл бұрын
I've been contemplating replacing my XM2 with another ANC but keep reading about the amazing sound and battery life of the S3...I'm so tempted!
@bigcdub Жыл бұрын
Negative… The Edifier’s are mediocre, sent mine back to Amazon, way too much creaking, and sq was just ok. M3, APM, PX8 easily destroy them. Tried the Focal Bathy’s, awesome detail and soundstage, but not enough punch…
@Thevikingcam Жыл бұрын
@@bigcdub Lol.. Ok. I got them all but as you see fit.
@bigcdub Жыл бұрын
@@Thevikingcam I've spent tons on headphones also, always looking for the best sound, the Edefier's just weren't it my guy!😂
@Mr.MasterOfMind 2 ай бұрын
surprised the clamp force on the airpods max doesnt bother you, i really regret not returning them when i got them, thinking they would break in. now i avoid them religiously especially because the airpods pro 2 are better sound on some songs, and 95% as good on others.
@steveee2511 9 ай бұрын
i woud go with the bathys owning cable focals or the bowers i see so many people on train bus planes with the airpods max or the 2 tipical sony,s
@user-yl9es6yl8b 9 ай бұрын
thought you'd choose an airpods max for it strikes a balance among price, sound quality and other staff 😆 but bathys... which is simply my favourite with that airy sound. i guess every fussy listener goes for heaphones for more natural and more spacious sound signature, and sound quality weighs way much more than the rest
@deykno87 Жыл бұрын
No Sony xm4s/xm5s???🤔
@JohannesFrey Жыл бұрын
As I said, I'm no headphone reviewer.. and just checked out the headphones that I personally was interested in.
@ThereIsOnlyOneRandom Жыл бұрын
Sony are trash bruh, those model's are famous just because of noise canceling is just best, no comparison, and imagine that xm4 was good but xm5 is even better.
@h1a8 Жыл бұрын
I think the M4 has more resolution and detail than the APM. It has the right amount of bass with the option of reducing it further. The APM > my M3 But my M4 > my APM
@JohannesFrey Жыл бұрын
I listened to all using the default EQ… for my taste the M4 where way to bass-y and almost sounded muffled compared to the others… that’s why I said that I was a bit disappointed after all the hype… but preferences are subjective I guess
@h1a8 Жыл бұрын
@@JohannesFrey Pretty much. But it also depends on what you been conditioned to. I don't like the APM lack of mid bass (sub bass focused and uneven in the bass). I felt the APM wasn't very detailed to my liking (maybe a problem in the presence area?). But it is definitely good sounding, and better than my momentum 3 wireless. I just wish the M4 was a bit wider in the soundstage.
@gdemirjian Жыл бұрын
I have been on the same hunt as you. The B&W also plays as a DAC via USB and sounds the best this way. The Px8 will also charge while in DAC mode. Also, I want the option to turn off the ANC when I walk around my property and the Bathys does not offer this option. Focal does not allow the user to hear their headphones in raw-passive mode at all. They are 100% ANC/DSP confounded. What are they covering up?? I love the SenMo3 but have no interest in the 4. I do not like touch control, so the Apple are out for me as well. I always change something when taking off/on or just adjusting them. And the Bathys do not have a pause feature when you lift them off your ear/head which is a one of my most useful options. The Bathys looks like something from a Star Wars movie, the Senn is yawn-boring looking, the Apple is very modern looking, but the Px8 look like something James Bond would wear. Overall, I am keeping the Px8.
@dashdanebikes2758 Жыл бұрын
I agree and ordered PX8 today. I tried Bathys and PX8 at a store, and concluded that Bathys have more of an open sound, whereas PX8 feels more like being in a concert hall, very warm tone to the music. I would say Bathys are more comfortable as I have big ears, but I chose based on the sound as I mostly listen to EDM and needed something that brings out the emotion in the music.
@serrael-182 Жыл бұрын
Theyre the best looking for sure. And probably feel like high quality too. But im happy with my boring but comfy great sounding M4 for "just" 280. :D
@victorvaldivia5389 Жыл бұрын
sympathischer deutscher akzent
@JohannesFrey Жыл бұрын
😉… hehe… danke
@losriosprofundos2113 Жыл бұрын
I agree completely with your assessment of the momentum 4s. Way too much bass and lack resolution
@andyadrian848 7 ай бұрын
hello not so fair comparison the price of focal is x2 the momentum s 4!
@JohannesFrey 7 ай бұрын
Hey, the comparison isn’t about being fair or not… it was more general about the differences… it is up for everyone to decide whether the differences are worth the money or not.
@demantim Жыл бұрын
For me, it can't be understated how much better the Bathys sounds compared to the PX8, a direct competitor. PX8 has frequency troubles where even the original PX I've used since release doesn't have them, and anything orchestral falls flat on them. They're super "hyped" / V-shaped sounding, almost in Bose territory. I didn't *want* to get the slightly more expensive and weird looking Bathys, but PX8 disappointed me in such a way that I tried the Bathys immediately. With metal I think the PX8 does very nicely in the lower mids, but the hyped bass and ringing frequencies in the treble ruin it for me. Bathys is open and honest sounding, and quite three-dimensional for a closed back. In DAC mode it's the best sounding headphones I've owned. Highly recommended.
@rodpinfold8824 Жыл бұрын
The sound bleed makes the Bathys impossible for a flight to The US from Europe, your neighbours will go nuts
@fcp1893 11 ай бұрын
@@rodpinfold8824 at what volume Bathys start to leak?
@xo121w 8 ай бұрын
@@rodpinfold8824does sound bleed work both ways? As in is there no passive sound isolation? Sounds like bathys are almost semi closed. No wonder they sound good but don't isolate noises
@SpeedfrkOne 8 ай бұрын
I have the Focal Bathys and this noise you are referring to is due to the “play” between the metal headband and the surrounding metal around the adjustments band - it’s not the yokes themselves. This noise does not occur when the headband is not extended and only occurs when twisting - not when putting them on and removing them. The Focal also use real leather unlike the rest.
@thomaskremer9219 Жыл бұрын
Nach 2 Wochen Bathys: sie sind jeden Cent wert!
@merchantmps 5 ай бұрын
px8 the best
@MrBravo143 Жыл бұрын
Its sad you didn't know that PX8 also has DAC mode. 😭
@JohannesFrey Жыл бұрын
Oh... do they? Sorry I wasn't aware of that :-( But I have to say at least for me it's not that big of a deal.. I buy the headphones to be free and not connected to a wire... I don't really use DAC Mode with the Bathys that often if at all.
@MrBravo143 Жыл бұрын
@@JohannesFrey PX8 comes with 3.5mm to USB C cable and USB C to USB C cable for wired connection 🥰
@jcap8391 Жыл бұрын
@@MrBravo143 That doesn't work unless it has battery 💩 Hold this L px8
@MrBravo143 Жыл бұрын
@@jcap8391 DAC( Digital to Analogue Converter) need power to work, Bathys is a 100% active headphone, so it must be powered on to listen regardless of mode. There is no passive-mode, so it's always using its built-in DAC and amplifiers. So regardless Bathys or PX8 both need battery power to work wired or wireless.
@jcap8391 Жыл бұрын
@@MrBravo143 Then they are both overpriced garbage 🗑️🔥. Focals sht customer support, warranty, and QA are hot garbage. I was tempted to buy the focal clear until I did extensive research on forums bc most reviewers don't know sht. Ask the people that have owned them and had them for a while hence forums. I'll stick to my m20xbt with yaxi pads for now until I find something not worth returning
@idontcaresapo8233 3 ай бұрын
I got both focal and px8 there is not bt headphone them match’s the sound quality to these two. My wife has an apple one and the sound is ridiculous not even close. I also listen to heavy metal and rock and the px8 are the ones to go but when I want to listen to jazz or salsa the focal
@user-nb8df2wj1o Жыл бұрын
For me, designwise Px8 > Airpods max >>> Momentum 4 >>>>>> Bathys But when I went to the store, Bathys was the winner in terms of sound quality By the way, momentum is not fair for the comparison since it’s not on the same prive range
@fgor7312 Жыл бұрын
Price/Performance the Momentum wins in this comparison
@mrguru091 Жыл бұрын
have u tried the px8s? I'm debating between those and the Momentum 4s
@fgor7312 Жыл бұрын
@@mrguru091 no i haven't
@mrguru091 Жыл бұрын
@Fred McKurly ordered the BO H95 in lunar red . I tried the focal bathy's and the PX8 with the EQs downloaded on my phone as well as the Bamg and olefsun h95. The first 2 were louder but the bangs had more clarity. I hear they're coming out with an H 100 end of this year I'm hearing
@cappachino78 Жыл бұрын
Px8 is the way to go
@allenalphonse4962 11 ай бұрын
Focal sounds way better
@cappachino78 11 ай бұрын
@@allenalphonse4962 Maybe, but still Px8 is the way
@madMARTYNmarsh1981 Жыл бұрын
An ordinary Jo-hannes?
@JohannesFrey Жыл бұрын
Hehe… you got it 😜
@nasnas9553 Жыл бұрын
Px8 #1
@alexander_hro Жыл бұрын
PX8 best!
@boraalkan633 Жыл бұрын
Guys he is not blinking
@ekjellgren Жыл бұрын
I hope you didn't have the hat on for real when you tested the sound, looks like it would affect the seal of the cups.
@JohannesFrey Жыл бұрын
Hey… nope… was testing them for several days… and I‘m not always wearing a hat ;-)
@BertVisser-es5ev 11 ай бұрын
Have focal bathys, airpods max, and the PX8. Love the px8 good bass, good midrange, smooth highs 🎉🎉🔥🔥🔥
@zajko3113 Жыл бұрын
I have Sennheiser momentum 4 and I don't think that they are that "bassy" really I find them to be very balanced across all frequencies but mainly focused on mids and vocals but I do think that they can sound a bit dull due to how balanced they are... But I can see Focal and Browser&Willkins being a completely different league not sure about the Apple pro max tho.
@sisuyi Жыл бұрын
머리가 큰 사람들에겐 베티스와 px8은 고통 입니다..
@vladburdyak9300 Жыл бұрын
Airpod max close to Focal? True lie! Airpods Max are the worst choice in sound comparison...
@ThereIsOnlyOneRandom Жыл бұрын
yea they are average, priced because of the build quality which is great on the other hand, anyway who listens music on iphone? AAC has low Bluetooth bitrate and music loses quality, apple magic xd
@Houdinis-Selection-at-insta Жыл бұрын
Started ok until the elevator music started. Made me stop watching.
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