1. I didn't say that Vergil's DT is a normal one. 2. "Vergil was tired" is fucking lame. 3. I don't see how Nero killing Vergil would deeply affect him when he barely knows the fucker.

I think that the fact Vergil would even ask the question "On that day, if our positions were switched..." is a very clear sign than his time as V affected him greatly, and the fact that V was so distraught with his actions shows that deep down there was always some doubt in Vergil

My read on Trish's "you can't kill your own father" bit is that she's seen Dante's fall into a depression that he didn't get out of for almost a decade, knowing what Nero has in Fortuna, doesn't want Nero to go down a similar path. Lady's line of "it's true. You'd never recover," leads me to believe that, while knowing it was necessary, she wish that she still had her only blood relatives alive and with her in the world.

I have an unhealthy obsession with Bury the Light.

5:48 Lady is the only person entitled to say that killing one's father might be a bit traumatic right there. Pretty sure Dante's just finding himself an excuse other than "I don't want to see Vergil kill you" which would backfire instantly, seeing how Nero reacted to being called a Deadweight.

Ok, a few things. - The fact that Vergil took the time to ask himself if "their fates would be different," is a massive indicator that Vs development does directly carry over to Vergil, as both the game and canonical side manga Visions of V showcase throughout their stories that V is effectively Vergil's entire consciousness. -Vergil was given a massive amp by not only the acceptance and reconnection with his humanity, but also the fruit that, according to Trish, was responsible for at least a note worthy portion of mundus' power, a good way of showing this is by looking at the fact Vergil has a Sin Devil Trigger to match Dante's, as his normal DT can be found in the concept art. -Power ups in DMC seem to function like level ups in JRPGs that raise AND restore your stats, Dante got a second wind when he first used DT, Nero got a MASSIVE second wind when he used his stand DT, so on and so forth, which brings me to the "Vergil was tired is lame" - Nero is in no way shape or form more powerful than Dante or Vergil, he was as close to fresh as he could've been in the situation, and Dante and Vergil had just been beating the ever loving shit out of each other, which we know from DMC3, stamina is incredibly important as Arkham beat Vergil and Dante's asses because they were completely spent on energy, not only that but Vergil was very possibly holding back somewhat against Nero as he wouldn't want to kill his family (he doesn't want to kill Dante, he just wants to *beat* Dante) and him and Dante pretty casually slapped Nero away when they were getting ready to cut down the tree. It doesn't matter if you "think it's lame," that is simply the established scaling of the three, Dante=Vergil>Nero

I think this does bear pointing out that the reason Vergil hasn't learned yet is due to his crippling childhood trauma. That sort of thing can prevent people from doing very obvious moves that one logically should be able to come to otherwise.

I like how Nero's DT is the mosr human looking, even though Vergil's DT and both of Dante's DTs are so badass looking

"To sip the Monster Energy through, a man must fight for it. Even if the one who stands before him is his kin" "Hey Vergil, your energy drink sipping days are over. Give me the Monster Energy Ultra White." *SIP* "If you want it, then you'll have to take it." *the plastic chair screeches against the Qliphoth tree as Vergil turns it to face Dante* "But you already knew that" *SIP* "I had a feeling you'd say that" *brings out his Red Monster Energy drink can* "How many cans have sipped?" "Hard to say. It's the only memory i have since we were kids" "Time to finish this can, Vergil. Once and for all" *Vergil cracks and sips another Monster Energy Ultra White*

A few things: 1. I saw your pinned comment of saying vergil is tried isn't an excuse of why he lost to Nero. Don't you remember back in DMC3 where arkham managed to get the jump on Lady,dante and vergil because they were tired? i say him being tired is a very valid excuse 2. Dante isn't weaker than vergil,they are equal and would have probably killed each other if nero didn't stop them 3. It is referenced in the notes that lady still feels bad about killing her dad which is why that plot point is there

5:39 I don't think that's the case. I think he's trying to spare Nero from making the same mistake he did. Dante never really got over having to kill Vergil and he didn't want Nero to go through that. At the end when Nero expresses his wish for Dante and Vergil to end their rivalry instead of wanting to kill Vergil himself Dante is confident enough to let Nero fight Vergil knowing that it won't end the same way.

4:54 Damn it’s almost as if Vergil just got interrupted in a fight with someone who is equal to him in skill and power for 20 minutes and Nero is fully rested and just got a power boost

In my opinion DMC3 wasn't about human side vs demon side. It was about motivation and responsibility. Dante bested Vergil because his reasons were beyond "power", he took the responsibility for it. (The whole "my soul is telling me tylo try to stop you) I think Dante truly embraced his demonic side only when he achieves Sin Devil Trigger. Thats why Dante hardly used DT in cutscenes before 5.

The way I like to look at Dante and Vergil's motivations are with a mental phrase. "When the house burnt down, one brother saw a human sacrifice herself to save someone she loved. So you could say he saw the power of humanity, whilst Vergil saw the other side of that coin, he saw humanity lead to death of his family with his only protector being his demonic power."

To think this started as a Resident Evil 4 prototype.

I love DMC so much XD

Thank you one of my favorite series deserves more love Also Urizen did not have Vergil's memories because V had them! He remembered the day that the house was attacked by demons but its possible it was so long ago that Vergil (or Dante) dont really remember the moment correctly. Also it was always my assumption that after Dante attained Sin Devil Trigger, and after Vergil was restored after receiving power from the Qliphoth fruit, that the two of them were brought up to about equal strength, either that or you can make the argument that Dante just woke up after a month long coma and has been fighting for hours just to reach Vergil.

DMC story is both simple and deep at the same time

The DMC fandom: Nero is an innocent child Nero’s relationship with his dad: fatherless childhood and when the meet for the first time, it’s a freakin robbery of a body part

Bro I referenced your other dmc video the other day when I was trying to explain to a coworker why dmc and god of war were always deeper than people gave them credit for.

One detail that I don't know if it was intentional or not, but I think it'd be neat if it was: The designs of base Dante and Nero unlocking their full Devil Trigger form. In DMC3, Dante tears off the right sleeve of his jacket when he gains access to his Devil Trigger form, leaving his human forearm mostly bare on the right side with the torn sleeve. With Nero, after unlocking his full Devil Trigger form in 5, has him grow a human arm, which is shown bare on the right coat sleeve,... which is torn...

Ok a couple things. Matt said inan interview that v is still around and not fully gone. 2. Vergils DT is his SDT. He does have a normal dt, as shown In the gallery they just didn't add it because of time or whatever. Also before anyone says, yes dante still has a normal DT, its confirmed in the gallery descriptions.

I always thought Vergil lost to Nero cause Vergil was exhausted after facing Dante.

I sugest you watch Dante's Humanity Vergil's Inferiority And Nero's Deadweight By Champion analysis

You should've maybe waited for the Visions of V manga to be translated to English, that would've actually helped a lot to understand Vergil perspective in all this.

Ironically, despite what the lyrics to Devil Trigger suggest, Nero’s power comes not from reaching the darkness within him but the *light.*

7:40 Considering that V and Roxas share the same Japanese voice actor theres a slight chance that's the case.

When Dante says that their mother died trying to save him to Vergil, I immediately thought to myself, "Dante doesn't understand Vergil." instead of "Oh, it's because of their mother." Sure, you could chalk it up to the writers actually telling us the reason behind Vergil's motivation, but then that almost discredits Vergil's line of "without strength, you can't protect anything. Let alone yourself." implying that protection is more important and who would Vergil want to (or have wanted to) protect? I feel like this lack of understanding between the brothers was also shown in DMC3 when, while clutching his amulet and choosing to plummet down to the demon world, Vergil cuts Dante's hand to keep him from reaching him. In that scene, it's hard to understand what either brother is thinking. Did Dante reach for him to save him or to grab the amulet? Did Vergil cut his hand because he wanted Dante to let him go or did he do it to protect the amulet? The lack of understanding between them felt like a constant theme that played all the way up to DMC5 where they still never understood each other and were willing to kill each other regardless. But in comes Nero who, even though he didn't understand anything about those two, understood something better than either of them. He had no family growing up until he was adopted. The brother he did have was taken from him and ever since then, he felt like he was too weak to protect anyone. He is the perfect combination of Dante's want to protect others and Vergil's lust for power. So he understood them better than either of them could understand the other. That's why Nero ultimately won out against them. Because his ideology was the correct one and, as such, had no doubt or hesitation in it. But that's just my 2 cents.

If you haven't yet you could look into " Devil May Cry 5: Visions of V" the official tie in manga which shows V perspective on events and even has some flashback moments with Vergil to show more introspection of their characters.

In my own interpretation, I think Nero only beat Vergil is because of his combined exhaustion from fighting Dante, and severely underestimating him. It may be even because of his memories as V, being reluctant to attack Nero from their odd camaraderie. As for why Dante lost, well, we have to remember, he probably didn't have that much rest in between waking up from his month long coma, fighting hordes of demons to get to his house, fight Urizen, fight more demons, then King Cerberus, post-Qlipoth fruit Urizen, the familiars, and then Vergil. Unlike Vergil, Dante wasn't well rested and had just gone off from multiple battles while Vergil's at tip top condition after his re-emergeance. Though the cutscenes after M19 does sort of imply that it wasn't exactly a victory and more like a tie with how he seemed to be tired as well. Sure, we can't deny that Nero finally achieving a great feat through his own power, he's not exactly at the level of the twins just yet. Besides, look at Vergil's reaction. He just says 'Interesting' in a sort of amused and proud tone. He's getting there, but he still had ways to go.

I think if they ever make a 6th game, Sparda should actually be brought into play

Cool interpretation of the final fights, I have a more simple explanation that Vergil did embrace his humanity through V which was the reason why he could Sin DT but even after embracing it like Dante he can't get over fighting his brother. I also think Dante and Vergil are stronger than DT Nero but Nero barged into the fight when they were both running on fumes.

Vergil being tired is what happened in dmc3 so it's not lame. It's canon and Nero did get a moment of rest and just got his DT. Dante himself was exausted just after Nero showed up.

A possible explanation for why Vergil was on Dante’s level at the end of the game is because he’s finally come to terms with his humanity, as Urizen after getting powered up by the fruit was decimated by Dante while Vergil wasn’t. Logically he wouldn’t have received that much power from V, so what he did get, his humanity, is likely what gave him the leg up to be Dante’s equal.

I'm already hype for your MK Movie Review

You know I am just surprised that there wasn't a lot of Kingdom Hearts x Devil May Cry crossover being made after Devil May Cry 5 came out.

Re: "Dante can't beat Vergil" I've never seen the finale in such a way that Vergil has "become stronger" than Dante. By the game's own metric, you *do* win the fight, it's just that Vergil gets in one last cheap shot. Both of them end the fight in a similar state of exhaustion, and both are still able to muster up a DT for the final charge right before Nero arrives. I like to think of it less as "Vergil is stronger than Dante", but more like "Dante and Vergil just can't defeat each other". They've reached deadlock both in power and in narrative. Vergil has fallen so deep into his despair that Dante can no longer reach him. Which is a strange thing to think about because Dante is narratively supposed to have reforged his will and his determination when he obtains Devil Sword Dante, which is enough to let him overcome Urizen. I can only assume that once Vergil is reunited that something *has* grown within him from his time as V and that he does acknowledge his own humanity, matching both Dante's growth in power and conviction (and even giving Vergil his own Sin Devil Trigger!). The stronger Dante grows, the harder Vergil has to strike back. And although Vergil might acknowledge his humanity, he does not yet embrace it the way Nero does. I have to refute that "Vergil is an idiot" because even intelligent people can make foolish and irrational decisions based on their emotions (there's a reason we often draw a distinction between "intelligence" and "wisdom" after all!). The games do a fantastic job of illustrating that Vergil *is* powerful, and he has achieved this power by doing things his way, with his own conviction. He takes pride in his lineage and the power it grants him, which is why he *refuses* to ever admit that Dante is right. Even still, there are parts of Vergil that cannot help but acknowledge Dante as both a rival and a brother (the bridge of Bury the Light even borrows the chorus from Devils Never Cry!), and even once all the Underworld-portal-opening tomfoolery is over with, the brothers are *always* going to fight.

DMC5, the whole series (minus DMC2) really, is so strangely well-written it's great to see someone actually talking about the themes and subtext. It's always been rare, as people usually are content to call it "goofy and cool," exclusively. I think the ending was perfectly written. Nero is still nowhere near as strong as Dante and Vergil (in terms of raw power), but that's not the point. He has succeeded them both in being able to fully accept who he is and made the choice to tempur his human and demon aspects into a force for good. Worthy of note is that, since it's implied that the final attack between Dante and Vergil would've killed them both, Nero is able to succeed where they failed specifically *because* he was doing it for the right reasons. It's so well written that the subtext matches what is literally happening on-screen where the god-like sons of Sparda are clashing until they hardly have anything left, and are broken up by the sensible character who just achieved self-actualization, and he specifically uses it to end the conflict through diplomacy. Once Nero breaks up the party, it never once felt like there was any killing intent for any of the 3 characters present. They instinctively knew that it would be wrong to kill each other in that moment and going forward. It's why Dante cheekily sits the fight out, because he knew it wasn't his fight, and also as insurance in case Vergil's idiotic tendencies went overboard and he gave in to wanting to kill Nero (which was already highly unlikely). The scene reads as Dante and Vergil defeated *themselves,* and only through the intervention of someone more mature than they are do they agree to put their serious killing intent on hold indefinitely, as they realize it would be pointless for them to off each other. Vergil is such an interesting character in particular because his words hardly ever match his actions as he matures. He *is* becoming more wise as he ages, but he would never admit to it, as he's still insecure about it and always will be. Because of Nero he's finally begun to come to terms with it, and it's shown through his actions, not his words. He will always be a dick, but he's finally begun to realize the point he was missing his whole life, and is willing to acknowledge his insecurities. Not well, mind, but anything is better than nothing. Never forget his talk with Nero at the start of their fight. "Nero..." The line is delivered perfectly, and I'm fairly sure it's the *only* time Vergil has ever dropped his facade of being in control of everything in his life. He's really vulnerable in that fight, and it clearly changed him.

To a normal DMC fan, everything is simultaneously serious and not

Vergil’s on par with Dante at the end of 5 precisely because he’s opened up more to his humanity. You assuming he is still actively fighting it is erroneous. Look at their interactions in the post credits for all the proof you need.

Vergil is not stupid, he is just an emotional person, even extremely intelligent people often cannot see the obvious, when they are taken by extreme feelings mainly of anger and pain, because intelligence is not the same as wisdom.

I'll never see Nero ever be able to stand up to Dante or Vergil at full strength. Hell that double backhand was a sign that they are going to do what they want and no one will stop them.

I'd say D starts lightening up the more he's with Trish, cause by the time he meets Nero in 4, he's already back to his former fun-self from 3. & as for Vergil: Pride is what blinds him to truths D & Nero went through emotional suffering to learn

4:58 Vergil is kind of an idiot. I just don't know why i can't stop laughing at that part.

I feel like a lot of people missed the parallel between the ending of DMC5 Dante and Vergil being and going through hell and the story of Dante's Inferno/Devine Comedy .

Damm, nice video sequel.

7:17 I think that's probably more a reference to DmC Devil May Cry than Marvel versus Capcom.

I was just talking with a friend about this and this video shows almost all the points we reached in that discussion. Pretty cool video

Everyone cares so much about how "dante lost" or "Nero beating Virgil". FFS Dante peaced out and Virgil ended it on a stalemate having accepted Nero as his son, there was no beating and no physical victory, all 3 devil hunters just accepted each other and were able to move on with their lives. The fight was always internal and not external

For an idea on 'Wasted Potential' you could talk about Lady and Trish and the potential they had in DMC5 and maybe the series in general.

The fact that when you play as Vergil he says stuff like "No, there was no time for doubt." When holding Nero's arm shows how much he changed. The old Vergil would NEVER say something like that.

Thanks Snake for clearing the deeper meaning of Devil May Cry. Dante used his humanity to beat Vergil, Vergil rejects his humanity for more power and Nero embraced his demonic heritage while keeping his humanity. Man I love Devil May Cry.

Have you read the visions of v manga? The manga explores vergil as a character

I always saw Nero beating Vergil, as not just Nero's Devil Trigger giving him the strength he needed, but implying that his fight with Dante severely weakening him as it did in DMC 3. Obviously, this may have been hard to convey nerfing Vergil in the second fight, but with this explanation, Nero's gets this win on his resume and Vergil is somewhat protected getting over his son. Still like your explanation though Snake. Did not think about it that way

I wouldn't say Vergil big dumb but amazing stubborn to face the truth of his inner power!

Thank you for using the TEPPEN version on Devil Trigger that shit is mad underrated

I gotta say, I really appreciate you diving into the series story. Most people just kinda pass it over as being campy nonsense, but there's a lot of really great stuff there as you've shown twice now.

So are we not going to talk about how vergil reflected in dmc5 and his humanity learning to love humanity?

These 2 videos has really made want to play the DMC games for the first time

i kinda understand why vergil took so long to develop as a character. He never really had other people to connect with all throughout his life unlike dante.

The Visions of V comic blurs the line between V and Vergil a lot more, in the sense that at some points you really do get the feeling like you're watching Vergil himself speak through V, and V is constantly haunted by the memories of Mundus and Nelo Angelo. I think the game makes them seem a lot more like different people, like Vergil stopped existing between splitting and reuniting.

Nero didint unlock his demonic power until dmc5 not because he was suppressing it but because he didint even fucking know what he was fully until dmc5 he had no idea how powerful or what his power was and he only gains power when he needs to.

Really great deep dive and perspective. I aspire to be at the level one day with my videos.

Vergil probably knows that Dante is strong because he leans on his humanity, but Vergil will never acknowledge it because it's Dante, Dante can't be right about something

Always have been only ignorants says “uhhh story doesn’t matter in a dmc or fighting games”

You wanna hear the Lore on the MUSIC?! Because the MUSIC is also a story element in DMC ;) No youtuber ever talked about it and I'm almost tempted to make a 20 minute rant on my Nokia

Wonderful video as always ❤️

"The thing you don't know is: she tried to save you too." That line has honestly bothered me more than anything about this game since it came out. I really hope they didn't retcon Vergil's origin story. Blinded in his pursuit of power to protect those he loves is fucking way more interesting than "Mommy didn't love me enough." I'm hoping it's just Dante's interpretation of the events, then it'll actually be kinda cool.

I love this video man!!!! Awesome!!! 🙏🏽💪

vergil thought his mother abandoned him to save dante. this thought hurts him mentally. to vergil, power is like a drug he got addicted to, or should i say gaining more power. because power is what makes him feel he doesnt need anyone else and what makes him feel good about himself after his mother abandoned him (even though eva actually saved dante first because dante was near her in the house while vergil was in some sort of a play ground when the demons attacked). telling vergil about humanity is the real shit is like telling an addict drug is not the answer, the guy can change, just not that fast. V literally said to nero, "the brothers dissagree on the very reason of their existence." as in vergil and dante disagrees on each other's view on life and actively trying to prove the other are wrong and their view is better. their battles are just a more dramatic version of their fights when they were kids which ties together neatly with dmc's theme of family. nero on the other hand thinks that family always comes first. the guy was left by his mother on birth and had issues with his self worth. he couldnt protect credo and got kyrie into some hot mess in dmc4 but dante helped him and even entrusted his brothers sword. when nero and kyrie moved to redgrave dante gave them another gift in the form of dmc neon sign, welcoming them to his "family". and then nero got his arm ripped off and lost yamato, the thing that was entrusted to him by his benefactor and someone he respected. of course he got mad when dante called him deadweight. that is the one word nero is scared of in his entire life. nero hated his weakness, believing he let people close to him down because of it. dante knew about nero's view on family. that is why he actively push nero away from fighting vergil. dante predicted nero would try to help vergil only to fail and get himself killed. dante knew vergil best at this point but dante failed to help vergil even before vergil dropped this far into darkness. however, nero eventually comes to understand vergil's true feelings after his interactions with V and in a way, nero's humanity influences V to some extent to the point where vergil wonders about if his position and dante's were switched. nero coming into the climax of dante vs vergil is basically a guy saying stop it, get some help. vergil lost to nero not only because of his exhaustion, but also because he lacks motivation in this fight. let vergil stab nero with yamato and see for yourself. his facial expression is so different compared to when he stabs dante in mission 19.

In my personal opinion I think Vergil understands he needs his humanity to be powerful, after allhis fully demonic part lost to Dante. However he refuses to accept this knowledge, for one reason or another being a sunk cost fallacy that he has spent so much time in pursuit of demonic power that there must be a light at the end of the tunnel or because he's spent so long suppressing his humanity that he has trouble expressing it and coming to terms with the fact that he needs it. And after losing to Nero he is definitely, albeit slowly, accepting it. If you notice in the main menu with Vergil and Nero on screen Vergil will look at Nero and occasionally appear to want to start a conversation with him, he simply doesn't know how so he doesn't. That's just how I view things, though, I could be wrong.

Honeslty this is a very fair video honestly. I mean say what you will about looking into stuff to deeply but I feel like you make pretty great connections to everything and what it represents.

I would like to say that I have a head canon that each of the main protags practices a particular style of sword fencing, which doesn't really add to the characters but has some interesting results when applied to them. Dante = Liechtenauer or German Style Fencing, Liechtenauer is an Unorthadox, Aggressive style of Longsword combat, attacks are both Offesive and Defensive moves, and cuts and slashes are emphisised, some of Liechtenauer's moves are flashy looking some of which were intentional to intimidate the unskilled an example of this is blocking an attack from below by pushing it down with your Pummel trapping his hands then cutting the enemy from above as you push his hands down. Interesting note: Johannes Liechtenauer supposedly (we don't know from which German city called Lichtenau he is from nor even know if he is a real person but apparently he travelled and learned from different masters a lot, in a similar fashion as to the later Miyamoto Musashi) didn't leave any plain notes about his techniques as he wanted his teachings to remain a secret so instead he create a long poem called the Zettel for easy memorization. (So if you think about it Dante can in theory compose a Rock Song out of the Zettel so he can Rock while practicing swordsmanship so that Nevan scene in DMC3 just got way more interesting, another thing the 1st lines of the Zettel (the Recital in ye oldie German)reads "Young Knight, Learn to love God and Revere Women thus your honor would grow" I guess he is working on the "Revere Women" part as he has bad luck with the Ladies.) Vergil = Yagyu Shinkagen Ryu, this style of Kenjutsu is compared to most (which are said to be similar to Liechtenauer) a more cautious, quick and footwork focused style, it also emphisises environmental placement and using it to ones advantage as well as adaping to the weapons of the Enemy. Interesting Note: this style was founded by a Buddist Monk named Kamiizumi Nobutsuna (Ironic that the Power Hungry, Social Darwinist practices a style created by a Monk from a sterotypically pacifistic religion and teaches personal Growth, but this could just mean a deeper tragedy that instead of him viewing the teachings as a call for personal growth and enlightenment he instead saw it as a call for gaining more power.) Nero = Polish Style Saber Fencing, Polish style is aggressive, using fast cuts and leans with fast footwork, its noted by German Fencers that its "a Hellish Cut", unfortunately most of this art was lost thanks to how turbulent Polish history is, so modern practitioners instead fill in the gaps using other arts of the saber like German, Turkic/Steppe, Turkish and Hungarian styles. Interesting Note: this style was famously used by the Winged Hussars elite Polish warriors that as the name suggests have wings on their horses to intimidate the enemy,(Nero has wings in his DT and is part of a group of Knights) its also stated by people that its as if the practitioners aren't protecting their hands (should have seen that coming huh Nero, as for the character side if its canon than Nero is the most dedicated of the 3 as he revived a Dead/Lost Art and kind of symbolises Vergil and Dante's redemptions in that they are lost and Nero made them whole, that and the 2 not understanding what strength Nero has also works in the Fencing world as he practices a revived near extinct art of combat.) Srry got way too long to edit, but in short they don't really add much to the characters just giving very interesting results when looked at with these forms of Fencing and their practitioners philosophies and opinions on the art.

1:59 - 2:12 blew my mind, I didn’t compare the the lyrics before, just the instrumentals.

I started jamming when that lil bit of bury the light played.

"Vergils motivations" aha i see whatcha did there

What an amazing series

I recommend reading the newest manga from DMC! It puts a lot of light on V/Vergil perspective and shows some childhood memories of Vergil and Dante.

I was like this is reminding me of Kingdom hearts when talking about darkness and splitting into two lol Man I love DMC!

This is the first time i seen 4thsnake genuinely like something and not shit on the characters or the plot line

Lmfaooo Dante and Vergil are even period point blank. There isn’t any argument that can be valid enough to prove ones stronger than the other. Nero In no way shape or form can defeat a healthy Dante and Vergil. Nero only beat Vergil because he was fatigued from fighting Dante.

Going mad trying to find that badass orchestral/symphonic arrange of Devil Trigger in the background of the video 3:07 like holy shit this sounds so good please

Thank you for this video :)

This and your Sparda one feel like you're just rambling instead of the usual in-depth analysis you do for your other videos

Hey Snake, ever consider a Wasted Plotential on Lucia from DMC 2?

1:56 This is just 👌

So good, thank you friend

If there ever is a DMC6, it should be about Nero finally fighting a resurrected Mundus...I personally think there is nowhere else to go with Vergil.

I always thought vergil had unlocked his own Sin DT when he stabbed himself and split off into two, then reunited. Doesn't dmc 5 refer to Vergils new demon form as his Sin DT? Otherwise, great video!

2:56 Vergil let Nero win. Before the fight he is very childish, the fight makes him grow up and accept being a father which is why Vergil willingly goes to destroy the Qliphoth.

Nice video analysis, but a lil wonky info is that Vergil’s “base DT” is actually a Sin Devil trigger which is classified in Nico’s Report. The way he got it is because he resynchronized both his humanity and devil side (same as how Dante did with his rebellion to awaken it). But the Qlipoth also could’ve been an influence for it Plus there is concept art for his regular DT in game but it seems they scraped it in the game i.redd.it/osd0f3ui2lp31.jpg

I for one believe that the reason Nero won against Vergil wasn’t because somehow Nero’s devil trigger was stronger but the fact that the two strongest beings in the universe were a few seconds ago beating the crap out of each other with their full strength. So maybe that might have gotten them both in a very weaken state thus why the second Vergil fight is a lot easier than the first one. Vergil was significantly weaker at that point. Also the idea of harmony beat pure strength is a fun idea but I believe if you are fighting for your own survival you will hit a lot harder than if you are doing it to protect someone.

I just thought Nero couldn't Devil Trigger simply because he was 1/4 demon.

I think Dante kept Nero out of the loop because his nephew was doing well on his own. He had friends, love, and everything he needed to live a good life. Neither Dante or Vergil really had good life and Dante didn't want to drag him into the family war. Sadly, however, it happened regardless.

I love the story layers of Wappons in dmc. Tris who was made in the Imigi of Eva, handels the Sword Sparda, may even attacked to the sword. In dmc4 Nero can make summon swords like vergil, also Nero is very brutal and raw , not like vergi. But the for the exceed mechanic you need to be very precise like vergil.

2:15 That looks so cool

Always appreciate your analysis videos, I usually agree with your points l, but I must say there's some things I think you missed when it comes to this one 1. Vergil is always quite stoic and understated in how he feels an expresses himself. he thanks nero for helping him. He has been shown to not always be so appreciative when he uses others for his plans 2. Nero decided to keep them from killing each other as he heard vergil (as V) mention that he only wanted to be protected and loved and how he had to fend for himself, so He acted on the knowledge vergil was not as evil as Dante portrayed him to be. 3. Vergil acted out of desperation at the start of the game separating himself as he still had some extent of Mundus' influence. The creatures V had with him were the "nightmares Vergil had during his time as nelo angelo" (something the demon side urizen discarded that the human V took in.) 4. Vergil had his full mind once he reunited v and urizen together and discarded the nightmares and it states in the nico report that vergil acquired the new devil trigger due to uniting his human and demon side together as Dante had. 5. Vergil was wrong during dmc3 and since being taken in by Mundus hasn't been able to exercise his own mind and free will which has slowed his aging (hence why Dante looks older) and why he has been unable to matureal and move past his former motivations until now. 6. While nero's victory at the end was impressive he did not fight vergil at his peak condition. Not to take anything away from one of his best moments but vergil and Dante were shocked as nero never had a devil trigger. He had a borrowed one from the yamato which was vergils (vergils devil trigger used to appear behind nero in dmc4). The form they saw at the end of dmcv was his own unique devil trigger which isn't like their own. The whole theme of legacy is relevant to nero as he didn't count himself as part of it (deadweight). Him having his DT is him finding his place in the sparda legacy in his own way. 7. Bury the light could also be interpreted as him hiding his humanity and love deep inside himself to protect it. Also a bit of trivia... Vergils black coat is actually based on an old design for dmc3

i think that you really underestimated how much vergil has learned from his time as V. like when he says 'if our positions were switched, would our fates be different?'. 19 year old vergil would NEVER have even considered that because he's so impermeable to other perspectives and to the idea that he may be wrong. he still challenges dante because he thinks that one last fight will clear everything up and there's also how he gives nero his poetry book, an object that 19 year old vergil would've rejected and viewed with disdain as a human weakness

6:57 ayo why Sparda look so clean

I personally like to think that Vergil’s SDT was obtained because of his acceptance of his humanity finally, at that point when Dante had beaten Urizen he had finally realized that the approach he was taking this entire time was completely wrong and didn’t even bother to struggle with accepting V back into himself. Which one could actually say that by absorbing DSS and the Rebellion, Dante accepted his devil heritage as well and obtained his SDT as well. One could say that Dante ‘accepted’ his demon heritage in DMC3 but it doesn’t exactly help that there’s multiple cases where Dante doesn’t do things normal people do because he views himself as an outcast after the events of DMC3. (Also his theme is called Subhuman and it talks about how he’s lesser than a normal person, a monster.)