Just in case you are wondering what happens to the VW Santana at 1:20: It's hood is about 1.5m long (judging by the reference strip as well as comparing to it's 2.5m wheelbase). It crumples in about 0.045s, which means that the car's speed is at least 1.5m/0.045s = 33m/s or about 120 kph or 70 mph.
@MaskulineRandaleVBT3 ай бұрын
It's probably the case too that the car was loaded
@pamplemousse200010 жыл бұрын
the santana was a wall-test, it was loaded up with weight to test the barrier itself...
@Steve17664 жыл бұрын
It crumples like 200 km/h
@gord3075 жыл бұрын
At least you could see where you were going in these older cars. I drove a modern Peugeot SUV the other day and the lack of visibility was scary!
@tek16452 жыл бұрын
Huh? Just because you have a shitty car does not mean every other car is like that.
@markbulgarin14887 жыл бұрын
my god......when i was a kid my dad had a Santana....we traveled true whole Europe with that thing. Now i see this i realise how lucky i am to live today hahahaha.
@mugen77606 жыл бұрын
if you are travelin without engine like this santana then u are lucky.... kzfaq.info/get/bejne/gqySgJqTta3bYas.html
@xq395 жыл бұрын
That crash was probably at at least 70mph... No way it would crush like that. Also notice the rear lifting up, showing how fast it must be.
@jordanwilliams14545 жыл бұрын
@@xq39 Yeah, I think that Santana test was more of a "facility" test than a crash test of the car itself.
@mungo71365 жыл бұрын
@@xq39 70 mph would be legal speed in Europe when using highways - even in older times. I do not know the speed limits in history but nowadays outside of the towns and villages it is around 56mph. Anyway for the most of the time it looks like the nuclear power station wall test - when they launched F-4 Phantom aircraft against the test wall. Same disappearing of the body on the contact surface.
@user-xf3ws1zr5k5 жыл бұрын
my dad used to have 1991 Santana and Jetta too. We were in China, so in 90s we both have Jetta and santana. With 1.6l and 5 speed Manuel
@clydesimpson14624 жыл бұрын
Santana: Great music terrible cars.
@Dkdnnxkzjs4 жыл бұрын
Jajajajaja
@MRMaRaTHoNTV9511 жыл бұрын
And yet the hubcap on the 97 Passat survived without a scratch.
@kleinerk52198 жыл бұрын
The VW Santana it's a horror thing! :)
@babymooree8 жыл бұрын
it wasnt normal crash test i guess , no 60 km/h i think around 140 km/h
@tcpnetworks8 жыл бұрын
RELAX.. That particular test wasn't to test the CAR, it was to test the RIG. The car was loaded with 1000Kg of sand and was driven into the solid concrete wall (no deformable barrier) at 100Km/h - far faster than car would ever normally crash.
@DieGamerAG4 жыл бұрын
The Santana is a great car
@jakobmari87314 жыл бұрын
It was with 100 mph
@ItsIdaho3 жыл бұрын
I own a same year passat. So I hope its better.
@allandeslandes4688 жыл бұрын
Santana is dead
@andreluisdesa87758 жыл бұрын
with all inside in the car
@ProtegeTuype7 жыл бұрын
allan deslandes no he still alive singing
@packardexelence7 жыл бұрын
allan deslandes--You WILL note CRASH-SPEED is NOT mentioned!!!!!
@reddevil95547 жыл бұрын
That was a 60 mph plus head-on crash that one.
@packardexelence7 жыл бұрын
Red Devil9---THANKS lotts for the info;--- I just KNEW it was WAYY over the 40 mph they Usally show!!!
@athgt66307 жыл бұрын
Chuck norris survived the santana.
@siliquaesid7036 жыл бұрын
But the Santana didn't survive Chuck Norris.
@osc_person3 жыл бұрын
@ATHGT how!?!?
@rontauranac3 жыл бұрын
He was hog-tied in the trunk.
@luisceja5873 жыл бұрын
@@osc_person he was in the trunk
@kennethsouthard60423 жыл бұрын
He was the wall.
@NotSoGoodGamer186 жыл бұрын
I been saying this for years “what is the song!?” And why is everyone complaining about the Santana? The Santana was going 120mph or 190kph. So it will happen. If you look at the top left you will see the milliseconds. So it was just going very fast.
@Mikey1298 жыл бұрын
1:24 .... HEADSHOT
@jawsquint3 жыл бұрын
Lol
@Quasihamster5 жыл бұрын
Out of all these the Beetle seemed to do the best. Round shapes for the win.
@AVportau10 жыл бұрын
VW Santana was impressive for all the wrong reasons... steering wheel in particular.
@workshopcarmanualsuk10 жыл бұрын
yes it was,,for fuck sake,more than half was damaged
@ssezlon10 жыл бұрын
But it doesn't the crash test. Santana flied into a wall. The other cars crashed to a deformable object. so it is not representative. BUT santana is a pice of shit
@weedmastersr10 жыл бұрын
It was at over 80 kph, maybe even 100, not at 64 as most crash tests.
@m4rs1210 жыл бұрын
yea, they would have to scrape your remains from the wall & the steering wheel....lol
@elcabezon54878 жыл бұрын
That Volkswagen Santana sure is made of aluminum foil,dayum!
@22fret8 жыл бұрын
+Nut Zack If you crash it at such speeds, it surely looks like that. I'm sure, that was at least 60mph...
@stinger15au8 жыл бұрын
+22fret nope. You can work it out by studying the FPS. Its travelling about 19-20m/s, or 42-45mph. Old cars really were this bad. Modern cars, even small ones are magnitudes safer.
@oguz82955 жыл бұрын
that Santana was loaded.
@WitchKing-Of-Angmar2 жыл бұрын
@@stinger15au last I checked modern cars do drive tests at 30 miles per hour and it almost gets near the passengers every time, bending the door indefinitely, and more importantly hitting into the pillar.
@randy1097 жыл бұрын
50+ years ago we didn't even have Lap Belts!! I remember going cross-country in a '59 Dodge. No reflective dotted line, 2 lane roads at 75 mph without a seat belt even installed in the new cars. Almost a million lives in America alone were saved in the last two decades due to auto safety. Check the math with a bit of research...
@adamholmes919 жыл бұрын
This music is just like on those text chat date channel things you get on freeview hahaha
@xq394 жыл бұрын
The VW Santana had 800 pounds of sand in it and it was crashed at 70mph. All the other cars in the video beside the astro did good
@MegaDragge7 жыл бұрын
In any case, you are automatically moved into the car's safest place in the crash 1:20
@ryanqkfcman7 жыл бұрын
I just remembered there were no airbags back then
@eduardocraveiro14434 жыл бұрын
Santanna 1986, Fusca, e Astro dão até um frio na espinha, tem tb outros dois carros com os piores crash test que n estão aqui, o comodore e Volks t3, os famosos bateu morreu.
@challengerv1210 жыл бұрын
where is VW santana after crash :D dissappearing :D
@Phoenix_cataclysm_in_20403 жыл бұрын
That time when crush test dummy never made it back to his family after work: 1:19
@angelsaurora15293 жыл бұрын
Watching these makes me so thankful to own a Volvo 850...
@barryphillips73277 жыл бұрын
That Santana was the most scary geez whole passenger compartment, GONE!!!! SCARY SCARY STUFF!!!!!
@stringy8725 жыл бұрын
not the back
@ssan325710 жыл бұрын
Ha ha ha ha. The VW Accordion! Great car!
@angelortiz17014 жыл бұрын
Jajajaja you are bad jajajajaja good joke 😆🤣
@yonaludagedara171610 жыл бұрын
Chevy Astro... Front seat comes and squishes the driver into the airbag, 2:35 .
@sampsondog13984 жыл бұрын
I mean, its a chevy, so id expect that
@sirtokesalot477 жыл бұрын
thats funny the astrovan folded up so much what did you hit it at 100mph? i was a passenger in a 90's astrovan that hit a telephone pole doing 50 and all it did was bend the bumper in about a half a foot and break the safety thing that connects the steering column to the steering rack. i knew the people that owned the van they replaced the coupler thing so the rack and still drive the van.
@BroLuk837 жыл бұрын
In VW Santana u have to drive in back trunk to survive
@osmannabiyev75873 жыл бұрын
Half the car is gone. Jeez.
@stringy8725 жыл бұрын
my uncle has a van similar to the Chevrolet astro
@marmal32010 жыл бұрын
I suspect that Santana was at a much higher speed than the other tests. Also the 1985 Passat estate was crashed into a pole - so 80s VWs not quite as bad as they first seem in comparison to 90s ones.
@markw2083 жыл бұрын
The Astro looked pretty flimsy too
@vwporschefreak9710 жыл бұрын
what's so bad about the passat b5 and the golf mk3... for the era it isn't to bad..
@matthewbanta32404 жыл бұрын
People think that because older cars tend to be heavier (at least here in America) that they must be safer. Nothing could be further from the truth. Yes being in a heavier car can give you an advantage if you hit a light car because it is likely that the light car will just slow down the heavy car as the light car gets flung backwards. Also heavy cars have to have better crumple zones to do well in these single car tests. But car safety in general has gotten so much better even just over the last decade or so. I would much rather be in a brand new subcompact than in an 80's or 90's land yacht as far as safety goes.
@WitchKing-Of-Angmar2 жыл бұрын
Your the idiot who thinks 90's and 80's automobiles are land yachts. Why should we adhere what you say as some kind of a known fact when almost everything that you said was a "this is what I think" response.
@matthewbanta32402 жыл бұрын
@@WitchKing-Of-Angmar I didn't say that all cars in the 80's and 90's were land yachts, I only implied that some cars from the 80's and 90's were land yachts. Look, I am old enough to have lived through all of the 80's, and I was old enough to drive through most of the 90's. So I am very aware of the cars that were on the road then. My first car was an 82 Ford Escort. Was that a land yacht? No! My friend's first car was an 87 Mercury Grand Marquis. Was that a land yacht? Well since it was the second biggest car made in the 80's, I would say yes. Would its 3,737 lbs curb weight make it a land yacht now? I don't know, who cares? It was a land yacht based on the standards of the time. The fact is that I could post some URL's to some statistics from IIHS or refer to my degree in engineering to point out that my response was a little more researched than just "that is what I think", but instead I will just point out that you didn't even read my post carefully enough to understand what I was saying about 80's and 90's cars so you pretty much destroyed your entire argument with your first sentence.
@fleetwin18 жыл бұрын
That black VW just evaporated!
@collinhenry22048 жыл бұрын
The santana ? Yeah I think it was going 100 mph with weight in back of the trunk causing it to have more force into the wall.
@535wmb94 жыл бұрын
That Santana looks pretty reliable to me, and a propper car for taking Kids from school.
@215alessio7 жыл бұрын
now we have better cars in crash tests but not in reliability and maintenance is a nightmare
@Bartonovich527 жыл бұрын
How do you figure? Unless you're talking about the German Rube Goldberg machines... on most modern cars you don't have to do anything except tires, brake pads, fluid, and filter changes for the first 100,000 miles/160,000 km. On an old car... you'd have to adjust the timing, adjust the carb, give it a tune up, adjust the valve lash, rebuild the carb, etc etc.. and by 100,000 miles it was ready for the scrap heap.
@215alessio7 жыл бұрын
Bartonovich52 wait till you get trouble on new cars, old cars are mostly straightforward, timing belt adjust piece of cake on most of the oldies , carbs a lil bit tricky. but new cars, try to even change spark plugs ore a defect light bulb on the headlight I dare you!
@pokealong7 жыл бұрын
If you have trouble changing a headlight bulb or spark plug, you probably shouldn't be working on your own car...
@215alessio7 жыл бұрын
MercilessHobo mister einstein has spoken!
@pokealong7 жыл бұрын
Alessio S Good to know that having the basic common sense to know how to pull a lightbulb out and turn a rachet makes me a genius...
@user-it7mf1xd8w4 жыл бұрын
0:26 latajace kolpaki 2099 roku!!!!!
@asturiancetorix25527 жыл бұрын
1:25 WTF
@reddevil95547 жыл бұрын
That was a much faster crash. They'd have all gone like that at that speed.
@weedmastersr7 жыл бұрын
Because the speed is higher. The VW Bettle crash is at 64 kph and the Santana crash at 100 kph or more.
@watchdogs2957 жыл бұрын
Protector of the Republic Again, cars shouldn't even deform that much when going 90 mph (144 kph)
@DS.the1st6 жыл бұрын
Red Devil9 how fast tho. If it was 100km that's still quite bad
@UstazFarhanBD6 жыл бұрын
Asturian Cetorix I think that may have been at high speed driving
@diopher Жыл бұрын
And that calming music
@brutalknife3928 Жыл бұрын
Do you know the name? I'm trying to know the name for years
@diopher Жыл бұрын
@@brutalknife3928 sadly nope
@bergmanemanueleric20082 ай бұрын
@@brutalknife3928 The closest match to the song playing in this video I could find is a song called "Miss Critical Girl" released back in 2022. Go search it in the search bar.
@furry_gamerowo77793 жыл бұрын
i remember when i watch this video when i have 2 years, and im scared with the santana, ah a question, what is the music of the background?
@DFVkamillo3 жыл бұрын
it was shopping music, didnt remember the name ;)
@ShiroChikatsu3 жыл бұрын
@@DFVkamillo is there at least a link to it?
@bergmanemanueleric20082 ай бұрын
@@ShiroChikatsu kzfaq.info/get/bejne/pMt5lcejtL6WYIE.html&ab_channel=Jazztronaut-Topic Either that or kzfaq.info/get/bejne/pJmBg7l0lZi2k30.html both kinda match this song eitherway
@mattouli10 жыл бұрын
The only survivor of the VW Santana is the guy tied up in the boot! lol
@215alessio7 жыл бұрын
trivia: the vw beetle (1940) performed better than golf mk1 1976 and vw golf mk2 1984
@palsingh558211 жыл бұрын
always thought the vw garbus was as tough as a brick
@alanwelch854510 жыл бұрын
VW Santana was doing between 110 and 120 km/h based on calculation (using timer and wheel base of 100 inches). That is partially why it was "smooshed".
@majesticpaint16110 жыл бұрын
Not really a lot of vehicles are tested the same way @ the same speed with a lot less damage
@CJ-wc6lf5 жыл бұрын
After the crash it is like 'What a day, what a day!!!'.
@LOWLOW64KID11 жыл бұрын
Tomorrow Shall Be My Dancing Day - The Sixteen
@DireStraitsInImpala11 жыл бұрын
I calculated the speed of the Santana. It was going 111 km/h.
@squidiskool5 жыл бұрын
1:55 Is the vw carbus another term for beetle? Because it just looks exactly the same as a beetle.
@baofan75444 жыл бұрын
Yah it the same :))
@manuelramongraciaortiz3 жыл бұрын
El Santana,queda totalmente desintegrado,al chocar.
@manuelramongraciaortiz3 жыл бұрын
Pues anda,que la furgoneta...Queda totalmente doblada,por la mitad.
@timrichter19806 жыл бұрын
Santana- that steering axle... going completely into the cabin... creepy
@marygott665 жыл бұрын
WRONG! The Volkswagen Bug was a 1973 and newer. Rear lights tell you this
@AxlBrickman5 жыл бұрын
marygott66 Whatever year it was, that thing was apparently a death trap when it was first made because we had little to no saftey guidelines.
@WarCrimeGaming3 жыл бұрын
@@AxlBrickman The VW Bettle used same Structure as 1938 , you know, BEFORE WW2
@Menck13 жыл бұрын
@@WarCrimeGaming Wow, so 1939 was before WW2? Idiot!
@WarCrimeGaming3 жыл бұрын
@@Menck1 Wow, so you call me idiot because I tipped it wrong. That's not nice either
@WarCrimeGaming3 жыл бұрын
@@Menck1 Oh, and also, WW2 started on 1. September 1939 so it still was true.
@srijansaha962011 жыл бұрын
slo mo cameras were this good back then? WTF?
@niklaswejedal4638 жыл бұрын
i once met someone that claimed the Chevy Astro was the safest thing on the road, since it was based on a frame chassis... yeah, right...
@elcabezon54878 жыл бұрын
+Niklas Wejedal in Vans your feet are cut off and many like this Astro almost overturned sideways,,,Once seen a small car crash with a chevy Van that put the Van on it's side
@DireStraitsInImpala11 жыл бұрын
Yes. Even if it was a super reinforced car which would leave no scratch in a crash at that speed, the passenger brains would simply splash inside the skull, when stopping from 120 km/h to 0 in a fraction of a second.
@P2D9311 жыл бұрын
In Germany we call that VW Käfer . . . and I remember it as VW Beetle. Never heard about "Garbus"
@Alexn106711 жыл бұрын
so is the first generation ford focus, found that out through my auto insurance company...when I asked why my insurance was higher then expected
@Sashounet245 жыл бұрын
One of my fav mini vans are Chevy Astro
@TheBanOneA9 жыл бұрын
a very important info is missing here: what speed was each test performed at?
@bothead95052 жыл бұрын
Yes
@christied207410 жыл бұрын
Just out of curiosity, in what country was the VW Beetle called a "Garbus"
@erwinengbrenghof210 жыл бұрын
Poland
@Sashounet245 жыл бұрын
Germany 🇩🇪
@MrTruckerf5 жыл бұрын
Mars
@garethifan10346 жыл бұрын
Chev Astro at the end - took the impact in all the wrong places - and what an abysmal performance for a vehicle of that size..
@jerrekiilunen842511 жыл бұрын
i think that the vw santana's trunk was full of sand and that's why it was so poor. It has much more weight in the back than the other cars.
@porsche1803 жыл бұрын
The Santana is literally just one crumple zone
@SilentDrapeRunner11 жыл бұрын
Yes. In fact they were good tens of years before. They were just high speed film (not electronic) cameras.
@freddyfazbear6897 жыл бұрын
VW Santana is like Going 100 MPH Brutal
@paulstevens94094 жыл бұрын
The VW beetle test is unrealistic...it could never get up to that sort of speed! Still...what a waste, I love them
@Sashounet245 жыл бұрын
Vw Passat 1985 did very good for that age
@RhinoXpress10 жыл бұрын
VW Santana was one big crumple zone. lol
@Fenncer245 жыл бұрын
Chevy astro crushes driver against the airbag and steering column, gotta love that. my mom tried to sell me her astro and I said no thanks. glad I didn't buy it from her.
@nascar8821811 жыл бұрын
Sorry to put the same comment up again, but the reason the Santana was so bad is that for some reason VW likes to fill the car with weight and fire it at a huge rate of speed to see what happens. That's why it didn't have any markings on it or dummies in it. They also did it with the T3. Watch "What about that VW t3 crash test?" It sums up what I mean
@Spudchucker926 жыл бұрын
When I watched the Santana... ''😐...😳...😨...😱...😵'
@mugen77606 жыл бұрын
kzfaq.info/get/bejne/gqySgJqTta3bYas.html
@BarneySaysHi12 жыл бұрын
That Santana turned into one expensive coffin in an instant. Not that it would be my choice of wanting to be buried in that. Brr.
@WarthDader749 жыл бұрын
The dummy in the 1985 Passat did not wear safety belt. That makes it very unfair to compare that car with the newer ones.
@SIMcityplayer20029 жыл бұрын
It's a B2 (1982-1988)'so is even older by a bit.
@mattmcfarland91543 жыл бұрын
The vw santana and the 1966 beatle looked to be the worst ones to have a crash in and I've heard many times of the vw beatles fuel tank exploding in a frontal collision as its said hitlers revenge.
@ItsIdaho8 жыл бұрын
The Garbus looks like the Beatle. Something wrong?
@collinhenry22048 жыл бұрын
I'm quite sure its a beetle, maybe the garbus or carbus is a package for the beetle.
@ItsIdaho8 жыл бұрын
Collin Henry umm... Okay..Europeans would say this is a Beetle. They wont know it (may) is also called Garbus..
@collinhenry22048 жыл бұрын
oh ok
@HetmanR7 жыл бұрын
It's called "Garbus" only in Poland ;)
@louisdoyle48919 жыл бұрын
What speed was the Santana going?
@Michinator30008 жыл бұрын
+Louis Doyle Around 60 mph
@22fret8 жыл бұрын
+Aprig - That was surely more than 60km/h. 60mph seem more likely to me, looking at the damage done...
@ItsIdaho8 жыл бұрын
2kph :D
@nebojsa19768 жыл бұрын
+Louis Doyle 25mph. Talking about quality.
@leneanderthalien7 жыл бұрын
NO! the NCAP frontal crash test are made at 64km/h (40mph)
@louiselangley91235 жыл бұрын
Oh very comfy especally in the santana
@Tetraden-a9 жыл бұрын
Who ever is ranting about VW here may look at the Chevy Astro driver being crushed between the seat and the steering wheel at seemingly moderate speeds.
@weedmastersr9 жыл бұрын
+Tetraden a All test speeds are the same 40 Mph. All cars before 2000 care utter crap when it comes to safety, including VW.
@directorjustin8 жыл бұрын
+Protector of the Republic Some 1990s Volvos performed well for their time. There's some crash test footage of them on youtube.
@zandromiguelvalderrama79013 жыл бұрын
i like 90s car its safe it has airbags
@aleksandrproskurin74135 жыл бұрын
Классное сравнение!!! Значит Passat 1985 года об железный столб, а 1997 года о деформируемый барьер,с 40% перекрытием, и чего это у них такая разница в повреждениях, ну вот ума не приложу; железный столб и алюминиевый барьер, а в догонку, Santana о бетонную стену, а чего на в барьер? И вообще её Китай выпускал! VW то здесь причём? Только Kefer по человечески и разбили! Машина 1938 года!!! Современные малолитражки не намного лучше проходят!
@ZaqueuSC4 жыл бұрын
1:53 ta errado, esse fusca é 1971
@LucasOliveira-dm8mb2 жыл бұрын
Faltou mostrar a velocidade que os testes foram feitos
@bliglum12 жыл бұрын
LOL!!! VW should have named that Santana the VW accordion!!
@bere5de8 жыл бұрын
Als Kind Fand ich den Santana cool :-( Da ist man ja in dem Käfer noch sicherer!
@iCrack10110 жыл бұрын
You would be perfectly save if your in the trunk of the santana
@miles26836 жыл бұрын
I don't think so I pretty sure you would die because you have a high chance of dying of breaking you're neck. it really depends on the position your in
@nagygergely117 жыл бұрын
What the hell is a WV Santana made of? Paper? o.O
@ozzoruuska37347 жыл бұрын
its vw not wv.. and it was high speed test 100 kmh (about 60 mph)
@nigelcharlton-wright17476 жыл бұрын
It's made of prime pork sausage meat and peoples bodies! :-)
@hamizanramli90276 жыл бұрын
Gergely Nagy lol
@nodeadphones96636 жыл бұрын
Ya
@huhwhatyousay75336 жыл бұрын
Santana ia dead *OOF*
@elcabezon54875 жыл бұрын
The guy in the Santana was blaring,,I've got a black magic woman and this happen,,lol
@marmal32012 жыл бұрын
What speed was that Santana doing???!
@user-tp4bw8dj8o5 жыл бұрын
Btw old cars made from metal, not from plastic.
@roadrunnerfirebird5 жыл бұрын
The Santana ...what is different in the test methode? Its from the Car the same as the Passat on start, just another "lable"... Its test runs with 100km/h?
@horsepower5236 жыл бұрын
Sign me up for a ride in that VW Santana. Yay!
@cbnboy3411 жыл бұрын
all i know is whoever designed it should be locked up in federal prison! That thing is a guaranteed death sentence!!!
@TestECull11 жыл бұрын
What's funny is that a lot of these cars are safer in the real world than their crash tests would otherwise indicate. The Astro, for example. Crash test says it should be terrible, but for some bizarre reason nobody can figure out, in the real world they're pretty damn safe for their time. Though, the first generations had shit brakes. Didn't even need ABS, couldn't lock up the tires if they tried. Regarding the Bel Air v Malibu test mentioned in description: I'd still rather drive the Bel-Air.
@mr.heineken57708 жыл бұрын
Santana means GRAVEYARD in Papiamentu.
@ernestoditerribile8 жыл бұрын
Te veel Heineken op waarschijnlijk
@Dsdcain10 жыл бұрын
I hope the hell the VW Santana was going fast for that crash test. Wow it was(I hate to use a technical tem but) smooshed!
@boban614 жыл бұрын
So this is why I have never heard of VW Santana.
@paolaveronicaalovatti88094 жыл бұрын
the wv carbus/beetle is the 1938
@WarCrimeGaming3 жыл бұрын
Yep, same Structure... And people are wondering why a car from WW2 is terrible at safety
@redmond1240012 жыл бұрын
Astro broke into two pieces.
@Cesko_Plny_Fialovejch_Zmrdu12 жыл бұрын
He means something like this " Its not Santana, its SATAN"
@tcpnetworks11 жыл бұрын
Yeah.. I was just about to say... The Santana was doing well over the standard crash speed...