I had to hand-prop the 150 I learned in, because the CFI didn't believe in wasting starter motors on students! Later, working at a flying school that did believe in starter motors, I forced myself into the habit of slipping the aircraft keys over my finger and listening for the "tink" of metal on metal before turning the prop to fit a towbar. (The Warrior props always stopped straight up and down.) On a miserable night when I shouldn't have gone flying but did anyway, I shut down outside the hangar, breathed a huge sigh of relief at having lived, then went outside to put the plane to bed. I put my hand on the prop to turn it - no "tink". Yep, I'd left the keys in and the mags live.
@craig7350 Жыл бұрын
.. did you have to land on the grass to save tires too? Those were the days.
@shawnmccrary55264 жыл бұрын
I’m one of those guys here in Alaska that props his Cub since the day I purchased it. Honestly propping my engine helps me to know my engines right. If it doesn’t fire on the 2nd or 3rd pull something’s changed. Very informative video.
@JK-rv9tp4 жыл бұрын
Strongly disagree with the use of "switch on/switch off" for hand bombing. It can lead to disaster because they sound the same, especially with background noise (you might only make out "swi-ah"... was that on or off?). ONLY use "Switch Off" for ignition off, and "Contact" for ignition on (he says Contact at one point, but uses the other terms the rest of the time. If I hand bomb somebody I brief them very carefully on Switch Off/Contact). You can't confuse the word Contact for the words Switch Off. I got burned with I failed to brief a guy on Switch Off/Contact while hand bombing his plane, and I told him Switch Off, then repeated Switch Off because I thought he hadn't heard me first time. He assumed my second Switch Off was Switch On and I got a nice surprise while pulling the blade to finish priming the engine. Beyond that beef, great vid!
@FlightChops4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the great insights - I can't disagree with any of that.
@calummacfarlane84764 жыл бұрын
Ha ha, the next suggested video was ColinFurze "Spinning belt of knives"
@halepauhana1534 жыл бұрын
Had one of those "This is why we have check-lists" moments last month. During shut-down of our 172, I did the temporary Mags to Off check, engine just kept right on running! Broken P-lead. I snagged the plane, parked it in the hangar, and for good measure, taped a big sign warning "HOT MAG" onto the prop itself so no one would try pulling it out by the prop before they saw the snag sheet in the journey log.
@timaidley78014 жыл бұрын
I loved the little 'last true cowboy' vignette at the end.
@FlightChops4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching to the end! :)
@USAACbrat4 жыл бұрын
In the CAP we taught every cadet to safely hand prop a plane. A lot of anxiety for the untrained, they considered hand propping a big accomplishment. It is something every pilot should know.
@samuelnuchia49894 жыл бұрын
which wing i haven't seen anything about that in wawg
@gabrielvazquez16914 жыл бұрын
We don't do that in my Wing. At least that I'm aware of. But it sounds very cool.
@flyifri4 жыл бұрын
That Beaver has a really nice engine.! Thank you for sharing Steve.!
@FlightChops4 жыл бұрын
You bet
@greyone404 жыл бұрын
That plough turn reminded me of a time I was sailing in my little sailboat in a higher than normal wind. It was light enough that when I came to the point of coming about into the wind to change to the opposite tack it didn't have the momentum to carry through the turn, so after a couple of tries I actually had to pull out a paddle for some oomph. No propeller to help getting through it. I understood immediately the concepts/physics described here for the plough turn. Great video. Love the Beaver.
@gordjenkins95744 жыл бұрын
Good one! Only had to hand bomb a Beaver a couple times in 40 years but very useful skill. One of the drawbacks of so much time in close proximity to the R985 is that I'm a little bit deaf and the words "off" and "on" sometimes sound pretty similar even when shouted from a distance. I kinda prefer the word "contact" for mags on. I did hear it a couple times. :)
@ellenorbjornsdottir11664 жыл бұрын
"mags active" "mags disabled"
@1PickJesus4 жыл бұрын
Wow. I asked for the Beaver training video yesterday, and got it today! Such service!! ...AH!The Beaver! Art at a standstill. Turn that prop, bob that float, push that primer..... Now it becomes Kinetic Art! I know your video is gonna make these guys successful!
@flyfloat4 жыл бұрын
This is 100% the type of flying I want to do and most of the reason I'm working on my PPL !
@FlightChops4 жыл бұрын
Awesome! Get after it!
@TheCanadianBubba4 жыл бұрын
Had to do a report on DH in grade school, the beaver was the workhorse and the Dash 8 was just nearing production. When I wrote them asking for any information they could send me I never expected the five pounds or so of print materials they sent. Those were great times to be a kid.
@jimhayes27864 жыл бұрын
Love the 337 in the background!
@Mrcaffinebean4 жыл бұрын
I can’t imagine how stressful that would be by yourself on the water. Bush pilots are some tough guys.
@FlightChops4 жыл бұрын
Agreed for sure!
@donotbelieve90percent4 жыл бұрын
and girls!
@SpicyTrifongo4 жыл бұрын
42C in lovely northern California today but at least we get a flight chops video.
@MaShcode4 жыл бұрын
What a fantastic demo of hand cranking a Beaver! Kudos. Thank you!
@Bear_bait9074 жыл бұрын
I love seeing flight videos here in Alaska. I live here, so its great to see your adventures, experience, and training all in the Last Frontier. Keep up the great work and the great videos
@WetTentt4 жыл бұрын
Awesome! cant wait to watch. Beavers are such a beautiful Aircraft. Lucky!!
@Kelly_KC4 жыл бұрын
I work at a small airport as a refueler. Fueling Beavers are a pain, but can't wait to start my pilot training.
@FlightChops4 жыл бұрын
This one had a handy dandy little door on the side that had 3 fuel caps to get to the rear, center and front tanks. Only the tip tanks were a PIA - is that not standard?
@Kelly_KC4 жыл бұрын
@@FlightChops Yeah they have the three bellies and the tip tanks are a PIA, but in particular the front tank likes to spit back. I've never not spilled fuel while filling the front tank.
@kingstonwhite89354 жыл бұрын
I love your videos!!!!!!!!!!! Especially the bush plane videos, with the Beavers! Keep it up. Thanks!
@paulslevinsky5804 жыл бұрын
I was doing some training with an instructor in a C-150 when it blew a cylinder. It wasn't a big deal because we were just practicing circuits on an insanely long runway. The next day I took out another trainer that had just come in. The previous student left the keys on the dash in plain view from the front of the aircraft. As I did the walk around I decided to pull the prop thru to check for all the compression bumps. I counted to one and the engine cam alive, the prop whirling inches from my face !!! Luckily there was only about 2 seconds of fuel in the carburetor...but that was an eternity since I was off balance and leaning out over my front foot. The key tumblers had worn out, allowing the previous student to remove the key with one of the mags still hot.
@mrpenguin42884 жыл бұрын
What a beautiful airplane. Very interesting. Thanks for sharing!
@firemanhouston4 жыл бұрын
Another great video. Thanks Mr. Chops
@Josh_92_4 жыл бұрын
I am really enjoying this series 🤙🏼
@RoryOnAir4 жыл бұрын
Fantastic content as always Steve. Beautiful scenery too. 👌
@MichaelCarrPilot4 жыл бұрын
Excellent production Steve!
@AviatingWithMel4 жыл бұрын
Nice video as always Steve, good to see you enjoying the float training :)
@BurtsBees334 жыл бұрын
Honestly refreshing seeing an aviation video without a bunch of random words capitalized... Beaver HAND PROPPED?! Anyway... cool video!
@FlightChops4 жыл бұрын
Yeah thanks. But unfortunately, KZfaq rewards click bait. I try really hard to make content that delivers, so even if I leverage the sort of title / thumbnail that the algorithm wants, at least I can stand behind it regardless of how I "got the click" in the first place. All that to say, honestly, I think it hurt the traction for this video that I didn't try to make the title more catchy.
@jhosk Жыл бұрын
I love the sound of a radial
@skymaster714 жыл бұрын
Nice looking skymaster in the background.
@brentheilman89104 жыл бұрын
That radial sounds sooooo good. :)
@mitchs2148 Жыл бұрын
this was a great series
@FlightChops Жыл бұрын
Hey, thanks for going into the back catalogue to enjoy this one today!
@melvinelder35874 жыл бұрын
Keep up the great work man, you have been a huge inspiration for me so thank you and keep up the great work
@FlightChops4 жыл бұрын
Awesome! Thanks!
@srinivasnyayapathi90834 жыл бұрын
WOW learned a lot.... thanks guys.
@Lolaandcassidyadventures3 жыл бұрын
Love that beaver sound!
@jimhuntington86924 жыл бұрын
My first plane didn't have a starter... Fortunate I never had an issue with hand propping for the 10 years I flew it. I did have an issue with some of the weather I was working with to do it...LOL.
@keepyourbilsteins4 жыл бұрын
Great job Chops! Get familiar with those scary hand props, but never comfortable eh? Look forward to your eventual jet certification.
@coedyteichroeb99314 жыл бұрын
Can’t wait for more Beaver episodes!!!
@FlightChops4 жыл бұрын
More on the way in a couple weeks!
@TheRabidPosum4 жыл бұрын
Very cool and informative!
@hunterbuchanan75914 жыл бұрын
Please do a video of your whole sim setup
@shable14364 жыл бұрын
Always fun to jump in a beaver, the de hav beaver is awsome
@scottleckliter49924 жыл бұрын
Awesome stuff. Love this series.
@joecalobeer63964 жыл бұрын
I had an A&P mechanic at the FBO I worked at explain how to ‘flip the prop’. One thing he said was to use your dominate leg as a pendulum to help you move away from the prop arc. Swing your leg forward, then swing it back as you flip the prop causing your body to move away! I watched him flip start a Luscombe that way. It still gave me the heebygeebies!😳
@SwampDonkey5303 жыл бұрын
Super cool 😎 thanks man 🙏
@spurgear44 жыл бұрын
Seen a guy hand prop a Taylorcraft this spring by himself, no chocks, no tiedown. He swung it through a bunch of times then went into the cabin, came back out and it started on the first blade, I think he forgot the mags, It pretty near ran him down. He tried to grab it by the wing strut, it swung around went full throttle across the fueling area and plowed into a hedge. Lessons for me, slow down, think, confirm engine control positions ,tie down the tailwheel, or have someone else in the seat. I felt pretty bad for the guy and worse for the old T Craft.
@mytech67794 жыл бұрын
That actually happens quite often, I've seen several captured on video, people are just careless or forgetful. One even had a passenger in the right seat that could have helped but they weren't briefed in how to use the brakes or pull the throttle/mixture out.
@hunterbuchanan75914 жыл бұрын
Great vids keep up the great work I really enjoy your vids
@FlightChops4 жыл бұрын
Glad you like them!
@brianpetrow72184 жыл бұрын
Wanting to get my rating in Michigan - maybe in a month! Hope the border opens soon!
@airwipe16394 жыл бұрын
I wish you well, but personally, it’s not looking good. It’s just going back up.
@gagestevens37594 жыл бұрын
freaking awesome
@duncandmcgrath62904 жыл бұрын
Great vid guys👍
@bjs20224 жыл бұрын
Seaplane rating training has evolved since I got mine in the early 1960s in a Piper J3 Cub. I don’t remember my instructor teaching me “plow turns”, only step turns when the wind was too strong for a low RPM turn and it wasn’t required for my check flight. However, maybe it was demonstrated or I learned how to do them on my own. It’s possible the lakeside FBO that rented floatplanes intentionally didn’t teach the method of turning to the right when headed upwind and then turning left to complete the 180 to taxi downwind because they didn’t trust pilots to do it correctly to avoid prop wear/damage. If the wind wasn’t strong enough for a step turn (or, if it was but there wasn’t enough room to do one) I was taught to sail backwards with directional control, sometimes with the engine off if it was a long distance. It’s possible that another reason was to increase the rental time period.
@ik044 жыл бұрын
I have always believed the commands are "Switch off" and "Contact." Anything else can be misheard and confused with really bad consequences...
@FlightChops4 жыл бұрын
Yes, this is a good insight.
@waynemanning32623 ай бұрын
I flew a Beaver floatplane for 40 years, contact was what I always said when the mags were hot and switches off when I shut down. The PW R985 can be fun to hand start especially as it lacks an impulse coupling in the magneto which most other small aircraft have. Moving the prop while the mags are on isn’t as hazardous as it is on a Piper or Cessna but still bad practice! Some pilots prefer hand propping the two blade engine versus the three blade, each has their upside and downside. This pilot prefers NOT to hand prop and fortunately seldom ever had to. Every pilot who flys in remote areas should know how to hand prop, it is not difficult but you must have someone who knows how to show you. The only injury I ever had from hand propping was a cut finger from a rough prop blade. Two bladed Beavers on floats can get rough leading edges from the erosion caused by water spray or water vortex at the prop tips while taking or taxing on the water.
@user-ej8uh3lb9o Жыл бұрын
Well that was a cool transfer of knowledge 😅
@willhibbardii24504 жыл бұрын
Thank you! With modern aircraft pilots forget the value of magneto fired naturally asperated engines. No battery no problem! Computer controlled engines need some redesign for aviation. Great channel!
@ellenorbjornsdottir11664 жыл бұрын
Most cars nowadays can't be push propped, and I am the only one complaining.
@willhibbardii24504 жыл бұрын
Consumers like automatic and theft protection. Dealerships charge over $850.00 for just a key. We need to design in some reasonable adjustments to this paradigm. We need to look around wakeup and make changes. We can do better!
@fixman883 жыл бұрын
@@ellenorbjornsdottir1166 I have a 5-speed stick so mine could be....but I have jumper cables anyway.
@ellenorbjornsdottir11663 жыл бұрын
@@fixman88 so can mine now :-)
@Jasshands14 жыл бұрын
I once accidentally switched the master off during my circuit training. Engine ran fine. Can’t trust that master in either position.
@RandyBroderick4 жыл бұрын
I’ve never hand-propped my Cherokee. I think I should learn how to do it
@officialdriverstudios88684 жыл бұрын
How do you get a Native American to fly?
@RandyBroderick4 жыл бұрын
Official DRIVER Studios Airspeed my friend. Airspeed
@bensonmilam60222 жыл бұрын
I got a 46’ 7ac Champ for my 16th birthday and hand prop it daily for the last handful of years even as a student pilot
@freelance001artist3 жыл бұрын
You should make a video about your survival vest with the Scuba Reg and other gear...
@FlightChops3 жыл бұрын
Have one covering the survival gear from this trip in post production actually :)
@freelance001artist3 жыл бұрын
@@FlightChops Thanks!
@1Thatstrangeguy4 жыл бұрын
Flying rc float planes really helps me understand how wind can effect an airplane on the water.
@jamesharber78204 жыл бұрын
I held my breath when that very experienced man pulled that prop thru because of the position of his body relative to the arc of the prop. Had it fired, or backfired, unexpectantly the poor soul would have been decapitated. A very old timer trained me and he emphasized to never, ever place your fingers OVER the edge of the blade in order to pull it thru. However, I do not see how one could do that in this float plane situation. Therefore, I would do the unthinkable in the bush...I would carry a SPARE, fully charged, battery to use in case the main battery went dead...and to hell with the weight disadvantage!
@Parker-di7ef4 жыл бұрын
Hey, these lithium jump boxes are getting so good these days (and light) that there shouldn’t be a reason not to carry a back up!
@mikeryan62774 жыл бұрын
Best battery wont replace a bad starter.
@lutzpjey10794 жыл бұрын
Oh, in the background is a Cessna Skymaster, we have one of these as a model and have created a specially made prototype, an image of the Cessna 550 Spectrum. Span 2.40 meters, length 2.1 meters, so Greetings from Germany
@StevenVanLoven Жыл бұрын
Wow, hand prop the beaver ... nice done.
@mycosys4 жыл бұрын
Maximum amount of radial warmup always appreciated, for next time ;)
@arcticflying3 жыл бұрын
I no longer say "ON" and "OFF" when hand bombing because they sound pretty much the same. I had a scary experience with a student. From that I tell them we'll use the words "CONTACT" and "OFF" and even comfirm with our thumbs up and down to make it even more clear. Fly safe!
@FlightChops3 жыл бұрын
Great insights here - thanks
@goatflieg4 жыл бұрын
"... but if you do, it's a million hits..." Martin gives you the KZfaq version of the Devil's sales pitch at the Crossroads...
@FlightChops4 жыл бұрын
Haha - yup
@mytech67794 жыл бұрын
It started but the order of the process seemed mixed up. If you are trying to get mixture into the cylinders why would you have it full lean and fully throttled(low idle)? I would guess that setting the carburetor for starting, full rich and cracked throttle, would be more appropriate for cylinder priming. Fully throttled and leaned seems more appropriate for an initial roll over, (when making sure the lower cylinders are clear, not primed.) larger radials have drain valves on the lower cylinders that are opened for those first 2-3 revolutions just in case they filled with oil or fuel since last shutdown. This is done even with a working electric starter.
@beagle76224 жыл бұрын
I used to start a Gypsy Major by hand, always checked switches off myself, I looked at the switches, before I touched the prop. Then pulled through so I went away from the prop if I slipped. Can be dangerous.
@nicholasgifford234 жыл бұрын
I waited a month for this 😂
@FlightChops4 жыл бұрын
Haha - well... there's a lot more coming? Was the stuff in between not still educational and entertaining if not DHC-2 specific?
@flyingkub4 жыл бұрын
I have hand propped a few aircraft in my time from behind and from the front and radials are the easiest, I have started but I would not want to prop an aircraft on floats, especially on my own as I know I would end up in the water and the aircraft on the other side of the lake.
@josephstaten86674 жыл бұрын
Would be great to know what survival gear etc. that Martin packs in the extra pouches on his life vest. Does he pack differently for back country flights vs. lessons on the local lake?
@joespittle14 жыл бұрын
0:37, it's been a loooooooong time since YT has used hits lol
@HiddenWindshield4 жыл бұрын
Views, hits, po-tay-to, po-tah-to.
@ryancrazy14 жыл бұрын
i know you've probably already left... but please fly that skymaster
@cambo12004 жыл бұрын
Someone should have told Jimmy Stewart he could have just hand propped the Phoenix.
@hoobiebooh3473 Жыл бұрын
I Love you man!!!!:)
@peterellison22204 жыл бұрын
Love learning about float flying. What is the green tape for on the GoPro at 5:56?
@FlightChops4 жыл бұрын
That’s to keep the intercom audio adapter dongle from vibrating loose :) Edit: I usually have black tape for that so it is less distracting
@sizzelot4 жыл бұрын
Why does water from a lake chew up a prop more than flying through rain, or does rain chew up a prop just the same?
@FlightChops4 жыл бұрын
Flying through rain is not ideal, but that is a good question... I know some P-51 pilots who avoid it entirely due to the risk of prop damage.
@jamesharber78204 жыл бұрын
Tad Razbo . Very, very good question!
@antonioiozzi9171 Жыл бұрын
Where is this wonderful place?
@ur_a_buS2 жыл бұрын
Is there a possibility that a cylinder can pop when hand spun in reverse? Can a cylinder get enough of an air fuel charge to pop in reverse and force the engine to start up in the correct direction. Would the spark timing backwards be sufficient ? Either direction I treat the engine as live.
@Alex-us2vw3 жыл бұрын
How does it work transferring an FAA rating to a TC licence? Do you need to hold an FAA licence to get the rating initially before transferring it to a TC licence?
@brianbassett43794 жыл бұрын
It's a very disconcerting feeling to prop start any plane. I've started a Beaver with a triple-bladed prop and Cessna 180s before. It doesn't help that the back of the prop is pretty sharp, or that the pilots always seems to be smiling for some reason.
@mytech67794 жыл бұрын
Now show us how to hand prop the turbo beaver variant. :P
@FlightChops4 жыл бұрын
rub two sticks together by the exhaust pipe while your buddy spins the prop?
@larmar4 жыл бұрын
My Stinson had no impulse mags. Could not be started without battery power.
@DavidSmith-zu6eu4 жыл бұрын
Looks like there was a fatal accident in that Piper back in the 80s.
@SycamoreRCSpeedway4 жыл бұрын
Second! Love the vids Steve!!
@sheldoniusRex3 жыл бұрын
>...but if you do it's a million hits. I too will have gallows humor at my own hanging. 👍
@wonderfulworldofWoody4 жыл бұрын
Did you fly the 337 while you were there? I love to see your thoughts on it!
@FlightChops4 жыл бұрын
Didn't get to :( another time I will definitely give that a shot!
@donc92753 жыл бұрын
So if water damages a prop I would assume that take off and landing on snow will also damage a prop in the same way...true???
@b.atwater39043 жыл бұрын
As for prop damage between water vs snow; I believe liquid water has much more density and therefore can do much more damage to a spinning prop.
@Redchrome13 жыл бұрын
What's the 'CIFFTIRS' placard on the dashboard? GUMPS I know, but CIFFTIRS doesn't get any Google hits.
@1shARyn34 жыл бұрын
CFM 56 is a little hard to hand start
@user-sl9il7xc4p4 жыл бұрын
There are also seaplanes in south Korea.
@airwipe16394 жыл бұрын
Anywhere that there’s water!
@theDudeOfDudes4 жыл бұрын
I was a CH-47 pilot for 23 years. I hand-propped it every other Wednesday. You can milk anything with nipples.
@VanCitySeaplanes4 жыл бұрын
Hey Steve! Great video but the plow turn discussion and demonstration is a crazy idea. Crazy bad. We can discuss at length if needed but please don’t do this in real life if there’s big winds. Please please please!!
@FlightChops4 жыл бұрын
Always appreciate your insights Peter. I'd love to learn more from you about this. It seems the FAA requires this to be demonstrated for the float rating? (I didn't get to do the check ride there as I didn't realize the "foreign restricted" FAA PPL can't have ratings added to it... So I need to do my ride in Canada, and / or get the full FAA license conversion (which I will probably do in the long run). We can take it to email to discuss further, and when this pandemic settles down, it would be great to come out there and finish the Canadian rating with you guys in B.C.
@VanCitySeaplanes4 жыл бұрын
No problem Steve! With all your vast experiences in training, obtaining your float rating will be a piece of cake and allow for lots of time to dig into more advanced training!! I can’t understand why this manoeuvre is required to be demonstrated...imagine doing this in a Beaver fully loaded in some big sea swells...things could get out of hand!
@rn28114 жыл бұрын
I’ve hand propped a few birds in my time through the years but propping standing on that float behind the propeller...dam.
@BenjaminDamien4 жыл бұрын
Hey Steve, could you tell us how you capture the radio coms? (here or on the patreon page). I'm recording some of my own flights, but haven't found a practical (aka "affordable") way to do get voice coms recorded by the gopro.
@FlightChops4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the ongoing support Benjamin - what options have you looked at? I'm using the GoPro dongle combined with a sort of splitter / adapter that lets you send the intercom straight to the GoPro. nFlightcam has a bundle that works well.
@BenjaminDamien4 жыл бұрын
@@FlightChops Yes, I have looked at the nFlightcam offer, but the 100US$ (+ Euro tax and postage) felt a little steep for what should indeed be a simple bypass... I'll investigate that Gopro dongle. Thanks for your help!
@joespittle14 жыл бұрын
So plow turning is basically drifting on the water
@FlightChops4 жыл бұрын
Yes, that is a pretty good analogy.
@amastri14 жыл бұрын
@@FlightChops and this is something u want to avoid but u have to be able to demonstrate one on the checkride is what i gathered?
@southjerseysound73404 жыл бұрын
@@amastri1 it depends on the plane too,some do it better than others.
@PeterPan-iz1kk Жыл бұрын
And keep your rubber (or float) side down!
@sblack484 жыл бұрын
Paul Poberezny handpropped a dc3 in korea
@deanpaulson6954 жыл бұрын
180 plow turns should never be done that way but rather with short bursts of power Next time use right aileron and notice how much tighter it will turn
@b.atwater39043 жыл бұрын
Yep; kind of like making a single engine boat turn.