Did C.J. Leak the Shuttle Story? | The West Wing

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“It’s really the Republicans' fault that we’re caught in this terribly embarrassing situation.”
Season 6 Episode 21: Things Fall Apart
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@bigz0725
@bigz0725 Ай бұрын
Secretary of Defense J Walter Weatherman: "And that's why you never take all the shuttles offline."
@TheNukewarfare2
@TheNukewarfare2 Ай бұрын
“I aim for the stars, only sometimes I hit London.” 😂
@pbdye1607
@pbdye1607 Ай бұрын
"And I do it with the aid and on the backs of preternaturally-gifted Jewish slave labor."
@jedsa05
@jedsa05 Ай бұрын
Or in the words of Tom Lehrer: "'Once the rockets are up, who cares where they come down? That's not my department!' says Wernher von Braun."
@terrygracy8345
@terrygracy8345 Ай бұрын
I don’t for a minute believe Bartlett loses a few astronauts when he has a second - even top secret- shuttle available
@DeclanMBrennan
@DeclanMBrennan Ай бұрын
You would be surprised what sacrifices are made to protect important secrets, especially in wartime. For example reveals from Project Ultra message decoding in the UK, were often not acted upon, because to do so would reveal a vital code breaking capability, thus allowing the Germans to take corrective measures. Many lives were lost in the short term to protect the long term goal of winning the war. Sadly the morality of an effective leader can differ somewhat from that of an individual civilian.
@shuttlecrossing1433
@shuttlecrossing1433 Ай бұрын
A shuttle like this these days can't be kept secret at all. Test flights are very easy to spot. The way it works nowadays is we know something exists but not what it can do. They'd have had it up there the second Bartlett heard about the problem.
@kalospantarkes1861
@kalospantarkes1861 Ай бұрын
@@shuttlecrossing1433 The U.S. does have a military version of the shuttle, although scaled down and unmanned.
@christianvalentin5344
@christianvalentin5344 Ай бұрын
@@kalospantarkes1861yep, and SpaceX launched it a few months ago on a Falcon Heavy.
@ThatLadKev
@ThatLadKev Ай бұрын
He had a foreign dignitary assassinated. Bartlett may be idealistic but he is also pragmatic about the balance between his values and what's good for the country. Especially where it comes to military matters
@gibu002
@gibu002 Ай бұрын
The part that bothered me most about this story line is CJ being the chief of staff but somehow not having clearance for the entire range of top secret information?? Does this make sense? How does she do her job of screening for and advising the president without full clearance to anything and everything?
@StumpyVanLife
@StumpyVanLife Ай бұрын
I agree. It seemed as if Leo knew everything about everything, even sometimes more than Bartlett. So why didn't CJ have access to the same information?
@thekirksiffs5285
@thekirksiffs5285 Ай бұрын
this has been addressed over the course of the show. They purposely keep CJ out of the loop on some information, so that she has plausible deniability when talking with the press. There are some sensitive things that she can't discuss and if she truly doesn't know then she can't accidently let something slip.
@bridyyc
@bridyyc Ай бұрын
@@thekirksiffs5285 This isn't about CJ, Press Secretary. This is about CJ, Chief of Staff. Her clearance certainly went up a few notches when she got promoted.
@StumpyVanLife
@StumpyVanLife Ай бұрын
@@thekirksiffs5285 Yes that applied when she was the press secretary. But by this point she was Chief of Staff, and she no longer talked to the press on a daily basis.
@gibu002
@gibu002 Ай бұрын
@@thekirksiffs5285 When she was White House spokesperson. She is now Chief of Staff to the President of the United States. Its an entirely different job now... Remember when Josh snickered a bit because he "technically" outranked her.... now she is Leo and she outranks everyone except the president and its her job to gate keep for him, to decide who gets his time, who doesn't, and how much time then advise the president on all his choices.... Technically she should know more than the president so she can properly direct his traffic. Different job.
@thewilliammao
@thewilliammao Ай бұрын
This storyline never fully made sense to me. They spend ages setting up CJ for the crime, then just conveniently use Toby's terminally ill then deceased brother as the originating source to Toby? What a weird way to push Toby out of the core narrative.
@andyh4518
@andyh4518 Ай бұрын
It's also unbelievable that no one leaked this before - given the number of people who would have to be involved in designing, building, and testing it, someone would have blabbed about a secret military shuttle capable of being launched at a moment's notice.
@derrickstorm6976
@derrickstorm6976 Ай бұрын
I think they did it because Schiff wanted out of the show
@Shalekitty
@Shalekitty Ай бұрын
@@derrickstorm6976 Except that he was still on the show until the final episode.
@mobiz711
@mobiz711 Ай бұрын
@@derrickstorm6976 No that's not true, Schiff didn't want to leave, he was very unhappy with the storyline, and felt it wasn't true to his character.
@shuttlecrossing1433
@shuttlecrossing1433 Ай бұрын
I thought they were going to pull something at the end where Toby reveals he lied to cover for CJ. I thought that was going to be the twist in their conversation at Toby's place. Toby falling on his sword for his friend is absolutely something he would do.
@christianthompson3926
@christianthompson3926 Ай бұрын
CJ had an informal conversation with Toby, in which she alluded to the military shuttle. Toby then leaked the story to a reporter. Although Toby shouldn't have had the information, he committed the security breach and ultimately took responsibility for it. He protected CJ by lying about how he learned about the military shuttle. This was all played out on the show...
@HalfDomeIndustries
@HalfDomeIndustries 14 күн бұрын
The investigators said that Nasa people suspected of leaking had the technical information off. If they didn't have the right technical info, how did Toby, as we don't see CJ giving Toby loads of details.
@Gredddfe
@Gredddfe 27 күн бұрын
The part about Toby leaking it seemed rushed, and other elements of the story suggested that Toby was going to be a big part of the later seasons. But suddenly Schiff has only a recurring guest role in the show. I'd like to know the reasoning behind this.
@NonSenseMcGee
@NonSenseMcGee Ай бұрын
Poor Toby. 😢
@untexan
@untexan Ай бұрын
Why is Charlie sneaking out of Zoey's room shoehorned into this clip?
@ASimoneau
@ASimoneau Ай бұрын
They might be aiming for clips to be a certain length. In the last month, all the videos seem to be between 4:30 and 5:15. The Charlie/Zoey scene is about 1:20. It's possible there isn't a secret shuttle scene of comparable length from this episode for them to fit into this video.
@Cramdeon1969
@Cramdeon1969 Ай бұрын
Also. A good scene that shows this episode is not just about the leak.
@stargazer7644
@stargazer7644 Ай бұрын
I'm confused. (sorry, I haven't seen the actual episode) ISS has an air leak? Notwithstanding the fact that whatever module that is leaking can be sealed off to prevent impact on the rest of the station, ISS has multiple spacecraft docked and ready to be lifeboats to carry the entire crew back to Earth if necessary in a couple of hours. What's the problem?
@LucasA84
@LucasA84 Ай бұрын
You're not thinking in terms of a tv show.😊
@kanderson-oo7us
@kanderson-oo7us Ай бұрын
They literally have the character say at 2:43 that the sections can be closed off to conserve air.
@MikeWood
@MikeWood Ай бұрын
At the time this aired in 2004 there were four modules: Destiny, Zarya, Unity and Zvezda. they could have been sealed off for sure. But the space station was much smaller and couldn't accommodate multiple lifeboat craft like it does now. Though there would have been at least one crew capable Soyuz. Depending if there was a Soyuz crew hand over, a second one could have been present.
@christianvalentin5344
@christianvalentin5344 Ай бұрын
As someone stated earlier, it’s TV. In reality there are always enough seats on attached spacecraft for everyone on board the ISS. When SpaceX’s current Dragon capsule up at the ISS had to change docking ports for Starliner, it required those 4 astronauts to suit up and board the Dragon capsule even though they wouldn’t be doing anything. Safety measure.
@deborawagner7657
@deborawagner7657 27 күн бұрын
@@christianvalentin5344 This episode is for a scenario 20 years ago. What is possible now was threadbare back then.
@rwmorey71
@rwmorey71 28 күн бұрын
I thought Toby leaked it and wound up getting fired? Wasn't his brother one of the astronauts?
@nickvellis9823
@nickvellis9823 Ай бұрын
Hated this storyline. To make Toby responsible was terrible. His character was to loyal to the president to do that. I can see him arguing with the president and overstepping his bounds as Leo did over the peace talks but a leak! No! Honestly, after Sorkin left at the end of season 4, it TWW was not the same. The walk-and-talk dialogue was good, but the storylines were weak. The show was not as compelling and true to the characters as before. This storyline and the Presidential campaign were a letdown to me. Really- nuclear accident in California?
@elijahcanning3020
@elijahcanning3020 24 күн бұрын
Having a Republican Senator from California who was pro-choice who somehow made it thru the Republican Primary didn't really make any sense. Even 20 years ago.
@Sylvander1911
@Sylvander1911 19 күн бұрын
@@elijahcanning3020 Not that far-fetched. The last Republican Senator from California let office in 1992 just 14 years before the final season.
@PeterSedesse
@PeterSedesse 22 күн бұрын
I loved the West Wing, but they often mess up basics. The US never had both shuttles in maintenance mode for exactly this reason. If there are people on the ISS, there is always a way to get them down.
@geoffrose9647
@geoffrose9647 Ай бұрын
"The answer to that would be yes." Man knows how to offer information without offering an opinion. He'll go far in the intelligence game.
@kinggoldark3853
@kinggoldark3853 Ай бұрын
That’s the Secretary of Defense, so I’m guessing he has.
@timeimp
@timeimp Ай бұрын
Season 7 plot writing at its finest
@TIB1973
@TIB1973 Ай бұрын
Wasn't this season 6?
@tmoore4075
@tmoore4075 Ай бұрын
@@TIB1973yes it was.
@jeremymuir4332
@jeremymuir4332 Ай бұрын
Is this one the silliest problem, resolution, consequence drama in the entire run of the show?
@markbailey1970
@markbailey1970 Ай бұрын
There is no way Toby did it - it was always CJ
@Bariom_dome
@Bariom_dome 29 күн бұрын
No, dear. It was Toby.
@TheCritic-MMA
@TheCritic-MMA Ай бұрын
Wait, CJ is the WH Chief of Staff and doesn't have the highest clearance possible; the "civilian" NASA Administrator knows more than she does; this toppest of top secret info is known by a moron blabbing it about and this is the first it's ever leaked...? Yes the nature of TS:SCI is that you have to have a need to know something to know it... but in this instance clearly she does (though it probably wouldn't be the NASA administrator to read her in)... the NSA/NSC apparently knows and could though...
@stargazer7644
@stargazer7644 Ай бұрын
That isn't really how clearances work. Just because you have a clearance doesn't automatically give you access to everything at that clearance level especially at the higher clearance levels. During the Manhattan project the Vice President didn't even know about the project. When Roosevelt died and Truman became president he had no idea about the bomb, he was briefed after he was sworn in as president. CJ isn't the one who decides she has a need to know.
@WolfRamAndHart
@WolfRamAndHart Ай бұрын
Perhaps the NASA admin was brought into the topic, but normally doesn't have the absolute highest TS clearance. It's not hard to believe that DOD would want fulll access to build their military shuttle Which is why he had access. But he's not used to having to keep that sort of clearance, so let's it slip a tiny bit to CJ. WHat's unbelievable is that CJ wouldn't have full Top Secret clearance, one of the highest in the United States, after being promoted to CoS.
@anime-xh7qs3ej8n
@anime-xh7qs3ej8n Ай бұрын
a nasa scientist is a moron?
@stargazer7644
@stargazer7644 Ай бұрын
@@WolfRamAndHart TS is not the highest clearance, and as has been repeatedly said, that doesn't give you free access to anything you want. Highly classified programs are compartmentalized. Only certain people have access to them.
@Threnody248
@Threnody248 28 күн бұрын
You clearly don’t know what SCI means
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