Nicely put together video mate, this really is a lonnnnng year for the game and specially content creators. Feels a bit like the 2014/2015 game cycles where a mix of the IRL title fight and the game being very mid means the interest just isn't at the same level for playing the game yourself or watching content from it.

F1 Manager really was a fresh breath of air that players have been longing for. The current F1 game has been lacking so much passion with its development that it's not worth playing anymore. How many features and bugfixes have been requested for years that Codies haven't pulled through? This makes it feel like all they do is update the menu, tune the AI, update the liveries and publish the game (obviously it's more than that).

F1 Manager didn’t kill F1 2022, Codemasters killed F1 2022. Codies took the EA money bag and decided to continue making F1 games that constantly under deliver on what Codies say they can do.

You know the current F1 game is struggling when a hugely motivated content creator like Tiametmarduk has massively stalled (and I don't blame him!) on making F1 22 content, whereas his F1 Manager playthrough has been a complete hit and he's really enjoying playing it. The F1 games are so boring and predictable after awhile. Definitely in need of a freshen up but do Codemasters have what it takes to do it?

Everything EA touches, it destroys, with the F1 22 it was no different. The greed of this damn company arrived in our much loved F1, from now on, it's just backwards

I really really don’t want this f1 game to die in the hands of EA

Another factor to consider is that F1 Manager had the chance to analyse F1 Clash (previously known as F1 Manager), the mobile game that for years was the less frustrating way to engage with F1 in mobile (because the F1 Mobile game is undriveable). So, for many people, this new game was the extension of something already known and that works really well.

It's great that Codemasters' F1 finally has some competition. F1 Manager feels like a breath of fresh air for the F1 license. I hope this makes Codemasters put more effort into their next F1 game/games to release with more content, i.e. returning the classic cars, add more tracks, more customisation for your car & team, perhaps expand on the management side of the career mode, and hopefully launch without the same bugs it always has with each game.

I think F1 22's issues is that a lot of people had (rightfully) very high expectations with a next gen F1 game, laser scanned circuits, classic cars/circuits, more realistic and dynamic driving, damage, weather etc. What we really got though was pretty much just a copy/paste F1 2021 (which itself was a copy/paste of 2020 and 2019) same weird handling quirks, inaccurate circuits, stupid AI, predictable weather, meh sound and graphics. It's more of the same that we've been seeing from Codemasters since F1 2016 and people are bored of it, you can get basically the exact same experience from the older games. Probably also doesn't help that they decided to add something like the F1 life interior design mechanic when core racing features are still poor or broken.

I think the F1 should’ve had a team principal/ manager mode in their games just like every other sports franchise game but they never did ,this so it just left the market vacant

From the game engine being so old to the lack of mod support and then the direction that the F1 games seem to be going in, it's not really that surprising that F1 22 is much less popular that the F1 Manager game F1 22 still has so many bugs from many years ago and they still haven't been fixed despite them being brought up time and time again Frontier devs actually listen to the community and make patches and updates to keep the community happy while codies...kinda...didn't. Whether it's audio glitches, SC bugs, lack of online stuff, career mode barely being changed between game cycles...it's just a losing battle unless something major changes.

Fingers crossed this really gives codies and EA the kick up the arse they need. Imagine F1 23 on Unreal Engine 5, with actual bug fixes, this would be amazing. Maybe take a year out and fully focus on F1 24. However, Ea are an absolute cancer so hopes aren't high.

Well, this video aged well. Now the developers of F1 Manager 2022 have made a statement about all future updates, a major update and then minor updates that do very little to improve the gameplay.

I think you’ve hit the nail on the head really with the real life interest dwindling. This season has been the worst since 2015 really, no title battle and no interesting races (2019, 2020 for example had lots of good races even though there wasn’t a title fight) On top of that, the cars just aren’t as fun to drive as the previous games, so little traction on the rear, along with a front end that doesn’t want to stop. There’s no new modes either; just the same old career mode once again, no classic cars, etc.

Okay, I'm going to throw this theory out there: I feel like with competition EA and Codemasters will work harder with Frontier also making games - which will cause Frontier to improve and then there will be two good competing F1 games (though they are different in nature) competition improves everything - even mainstream sports games - but I might be proven wrong due to the incompetence of EA

With F1 Manager people realized how repetitive and non developing the F1 game really is. If you see that the pit stop strategy of the AI is still so bad that they do way to many pit stops, especially often right after a safety car period ended, you know everything you need to know about F1 2022.

Limited modding is entirely intended. They don't benefit from increased longevity when they want to sell new games annually, so they need to control what content gets in each game. I think they even went out of their way to limit the moddability in later titles.

I think F1 Manager doesnt have enough depth into it. i quit the game after 4 races

Totally didn't see this coming when EA started messing around with f1 games again.

F1 2011 was the hidden gem in my opinion. Online lobbies had people playing the game like it was supposed to be, those playing the game ‘Mario-Kart’ style were easily avoidable with consoles player-block ability. Like any competitive game where esports can profit, it sucked the fun out of playing online.

They need to realise that they make a BIG MISTAKE with date of launch because after Abu Dhabi this game could die..... They need to stop launch the game in July and to released after the last Grand prix of the season. That could help Codemasters to make a good product if they're not lazy as always.....

F1 22 game has only been out for like 3-4 months but it feels like I've been playing it for years. And I'm ignoring the fact that it is pretty much a copy/paste like every other past version. Usually I can play daily until about February before I get sick of it, but it's barely halfway through October and I'm already bored of F1 22.

Nice video and I agree with everything but the main point... which you disproved yourself and just marched on like it's not a big deal had me dying xD

I like what is happening with F1 2022 because it forces them to do something to improve the game, although it's EA so probably nothing will change

I have started playing f1 22 again recently and am now really enjoying it I play in vr and I think after the updates it plays so much better now. To be honest I'm getting addicted to it in vr now. Lots of fun but would be nice for the next one they change the career format to be a bit more fun not sure how but would be nice to have something new.

I felt like I couldn’t drive to save my life in f1 22 so I’m still on the f1 21 train

I believe September was around the time either Emilia Romagna or Portimão tracks came out New tracks are big updates, I think that also made a difference

strictly speaking EGO engine has been in use at least as far back as 2010, possibly earlier for GRID. the version used now is EGO 2 which was introduced in 2015, a major overhaul of the engine but is more or less the same basic template

You’re wrong about the EGO engine being used since 2015. It’s actually been used ever since Colin McRae DiRT (2007) onwards. F1 2015 still uses EGO but a heavily updated one for next gen consoles at the time.

i pre ordered both and it's still a fun time with both, definitely stuff f1 22 could learn from manager and manager could learn from f1 22

Did they patch the AMR22? I've seen a videos where it was the new AMR22, introduced in Spain. Any info? In the F1 2022 Game, not the Manager

The mods need to also be on console or at least the liveries/helmet designs etc. Just have a look at MotoGP/Forza Horizon 5 livery customization

This video very much sums the entire F1 gaming franchise that it’s current dater is in the middle of. I have to admit since F1 Manager 22 has come out I’ve found myself playing it fully and left F1 22 on the shelf altogether. The main issue I think that comes down to is a lack of passion by Codemasters and I think I can speak on behalf of everyone when I say we felt that lack of passion being put into F1 22 and now F1 Manager 22 hasn’t exactly overflow them but it’s so much better. If Codies wants to get on top of F1 Manager next year they have to make dramatic fresh changes. And quickly

I am not wanting any discussion between Max and Lewis fans and all but I feel like the IRL F1 makes a big difference on how to game feels to the fans. Like after all the controversy of last year I don't trust this sport to be clean anymore and I saw many people leaving it thanks to that, plus this new year does not make us forget about the past and the lack of battles for wins doesn't kinda make us feel very excited with F1, I only play the F1 game still because of being used to doing it a lot specially on lockdown but I don't feel the same passion anymore, since I don't feel the same passion for watching the sport after Abu Dhabi 2021 and the tiring domination this year

There's also the fact that, unless you were trying to move into the VR space, or you just had to have the Miami track, there isn't a lot of reason to move away from F1 2021.

Codemasters will never ever ever ever add modding support. Its a yearly release title. The last thing they need is the longevety of their games to be longer. The thing we need is competition. Thats the only thing thats gonna get them off their asses.

I think some of the biggest issue is the car being a spin machine I found myself playing f1 2021 just because of the cars

Upping the console price from £45 to £70 for what is just essentially changing the settings killed it for me.

if Codemasters would built this game on rFactor 2 engine, that would be just mindblowing - each of them has something, which other doesn't have, like rFactor physics realism and Codemasters career mode and graphics

Ego was in use in F1 2010. It's older than you give it credit for. A Google search tells me it's even older than that, going back to 2007

In my opinion without having the two games combined they are perfect if we’re combined f1 manager has the details in staff etc that f1 22 needs and f1 22 has the graphics etc that f1 manager needs

Idea for a drinking game.drink a shot every time he says f1 22

I stopped playing F1 22 early on. I would finish my pit stop in full length races and the game would crash at the first corner out of the pits. Very frustrating especially when trying to play full length races

The Ego engine has been used since before F1 2010 with Grid, not 2015.

Tbh i played F1 Manager a lot but went back to F1 22 and now only play F1 22

I think another big point is f1 22 is one game from a series, Codemasters have to try to make it better then f1 2021. F1 manager is the first manager game in some time, that’s why I don’t say that f1 22 is a bad game, it’s a bad game compared to the previous f1 games

Honestly if they want to save the f1 games don’t have yearly release Have one game every 2/3 years Every couple months there will be a season new classic cars and tracks Each season will be themed so the autounion streamliner and Avus Ring for example Let people have more modularity on the setup of the car Add a wind tunnel mode where you can design your own wings and floor And a engine designer so if someone decides to make a engine that revs to 20k rpm with massive turbo lag they can if they want Then at the end of every 2 or 3 seasons there will be a break from seasons and instead there will be a limited time event So a senna event beat sennas lap records in his cars at different tracks to unlock special items Like a voice line of “if you no longer go for the gap …..”

XDDDDD F1 22 literally has twice the view amount F1 manager has on twitch right now, plus F1 manager got a huge hype train being the first manager game since MM

I really hate this A or B thing everyone does. They are both good games, they both have several bugs. And most importantly, they are COMPLETELY different games. And as per usual when something new comes out people generally try to push the narrative that it is the end of what was there before and that what's new is better. But if you look at the numbers of creators, F122 still gets around 30-50% more views than F1 Manager

Think I must have sunk 70hrs by now lol haven't played this much in a loooong time. Despite the issues its a great game. Just hoping it's not suffering from potential content being held back for next year.

rocket league was made with unreal engine 3, not with unreal engine 4 as wrongly stated in the video. They are currently working on porting the game to unreal engine 5 though

I've bought and played the hell out of every Codemasters F1 game since 2009's Wii release. F1 22 has never been more expensive, and it was hugely disappointing the see that the only new feature from last year was basically an IKEA simulator. The on-track gameplay was pretty much the same as last year. My Team was pretty much a copy and paste job and I haven't bothered with it this year. League racing has been the only reason for me to play. F1 Manager has been fun! It's not perfect, with some flaws around the way driver contract and signings happen, lack of Young Driver Academies, and no custom car liveries, but it has gone above and beyond what Codmasters have managed to achieve with car development and race management. If both developers can learn and improve from each other, then surely it would push both games to be the best they can be. F1 22 need to focus on the driving for 23. There needs to be a huge improvement on the on-track experience, and shove that F1 life/buying lamps and sofa business as far away from the game as possible

Only reason I didn't buy it yet is the poor regional pricing. The 10 hr trial I played still made me appreciate it. There's nothing wrong with the game other than perhaps the saminess that comes along with any yearly franchise.

I watched F1 a lot, this year's wasn't my taste for some reason, I just ended up turning for Sergio Pérez (I'm Mexican), but this year I had an itch to play F1 game, played since 09 to 2013 then jumped until 2016 and stopped playing, I got the 2022 and 2021 games and men they are for some reason lacking in some areas, then I end up seeing 2019-2020 and they are the best but unfortunately are pricey because they are delisted in online platforms. I think the F1 games had a base of fans that are not going to support the EA business model, they usually go 1 year a mid to good game to a year with a lacking or simply bad game. I don't think is the engine, I think it's that they could be doing a new build for the new gen and they had problems with it, like when it was 2014-2015, and the EA management too. For me F1 manager 2022 gives me the perfect fix for F1 games and the fix for a simple game, I can have the steam deck while lunch, and in the night maybe ps4 version. In my country F1 2022 is at 20-30$ dollars, it got cheap pretty quick and even at that price is not selling, it's nearly the same price as 2021, the people is actually asking for 2019 and 2020 which are little more pricey. *Edit, you know what, I feel they don't cared this year, there's new UI in the F1 transmission and they got stuck with the old one, in Spanish they had the same comments, even they kept the same errors, I don't like they want to put the EA logo in every place in the game (just give me the F1 exp, they do that tin every EA Sports game).

F1 manager has a much lower barrier to entry. It’s also a lot cheaper to play. I used to play a lot of NBA 2k and while it’s fun to take control of a player, I eventually shift to the GM mode and get equal fun out of it.

As a PS5 console owner, the F1 22 is hard to play on a controller. To have 100% fun with F1 22 I would have to buy a steering wheel and have a lot of time. F1 22 Manager gives me the excitement of managing a team without the biggest pain - controlling the controller and unequal difficulty setting on different tracks.

it should be released at the start of or before the season, its just so bad for a game to be based on a year thats already half done imo. Like you said once the game released the actual excitement for the real f1 was already dropping so i think that also translates to the game and sales

Yep I believe this 100%. When I first started playing F1 (thanks to watching Limitless when youtube recommended his channel) I was like wow how did I miss out on this game??? I got f1 19,20,21 and all 3 are in my top 15 games of all time played on steam. I was planning on getting f1 22 (I usually wait for a sale as I never buy any game new anymore). KZfaq started to recommend channels with F1 manager. So I started to watch them and wanted to try it. Wanted to try it soooo badly I paid for the game full price. I haven't done that in years. I have played that game soooo much that F1 22 is free this weekend and 50% off and I don't even care to play or buy it. Normally I would jump all over a deal like that, but I haven't even thought about buying it. Even after watching the esports races. I am full into f1 manager. It is number 2 in my steam library. It's only behind flight simulator. It will probably pass that up next month. I play a race a day. Already on season 4. It is just an awesome game, especially if you start off with a bad team and try to build it up.

I realy like to play the f1 games before but this year the cars just feel realy bad to drive like you got zero grip in any situation so iam just playing f1 2017 this game still feels amazing

If the F1 game would move to using any other Game Engines, there is a good chance that it will be ported over to the Frostbite Engine, which a fair bit of EA titles use.

Honestly EA should've seen it coming and should work harder on F1 2023. A management game shouldn't be in competition with a racing game, yet F1 Manager absolutely destroys F1 2022 in every point they can be compared. Personally my interest in both the real F1 season and the F1 game are dropping massively since the big f ups by the FIA last season and since EA bought Codies and I went from ~500h on F1 2020, to ~200h on F1 2021 and ~35h on F1 2022 because we get the same thing over and over again with even more bugs and less content.

I think it might’ve F1 Manager gets a lot of Attention

Maybe I would play f1 22 if the audio didn’t bug and I go with and without sound while driving the car the bug has been there since launch and still isn’t fixed

It's no coincidence that F1 22 has become full of bugs & glitches, and turned into a microtransaction-fuelled annual livery update with EA's adimistration

I do like to drive. But if I’m tired manager is fun.

The lack of mod support is surely by design rather than mistake. Through all the red tape of sponsors, they won't want people modifying the cars. And also would lead to someone buying one game and just modding it to include new cars the next season rather than buying the next game in the series. It would be cool to see it given more attention but I think Formula 1 themselves will be responsible for the lack of mod support.

My opimion about the future of F1 22...scrap all non driver career related stuff out of the game. Get rid of supercars, scrap My Team mode and add a more deeper experience focused on the driver career. Start with FIA Formula 3 and work up the ranks into F2 until you finally reach F1. Don't let the player just choose the team which they want to drive for, let the teams make offers to the player, regarding of the results they are able to pull off on track. Let also the training programs pay into account to these offers from other teams. Add pre season testing and, let the player drive a F1 car in free practice, while they are still driving F2 or F3, like in real life. Add a more interactive race weekends, like a fully walkable Paddock with the different Motorhomes of the teams and possible interactions. If you wanna negotiate a new contract with lets say McLaren, go to their Motorhome. Integrate more interaction with the team, key team members. Like briefings to 'discuss' setups and goals for the raceweekend or just the strategy for the upcoming race. Add a more diverse interview system with different journalists and more, different and logical questions. Bring in press conferences and after race interviews. F1 games from Codemaster/EA are there for driving the car not managing a team, focus on that and let the player manage a driver career and put more emphasis on this inside the F1 world. It must be clear, if you wanna be a driver, play F1 2x. You wanna manage a Team, pick the F1 Manager 2x.

All they gotta do is add classic f1 cars back and im happy

Looking at Twitch views F1M is really putting F1 22 to the test

I was playing with EA Play, but I ended up cancelling my subscription last month. Every single EA game feels the same. Nevertheless, my gripes are significant. Booting crashes, menu bugs, AI being on completely different physics, absolutely horrendous Force Feedback on three entirely different bases (G923, Fanatec DD 8nm, and then Logitech G Pro DD wheel/pedals), spectator bugs, highly questionable physics for even a "simcade", drivability issues, and overall lack of depth or substance. It's literally the same exact game just copied and pasted year over year with tweaks to the menu, HUD, and liveries. I'm glad to have Portimao and China, but how many years are they going to tease new tracks and then give us the same exact ones? All of the cars have had the same major components since Silverstone when Williams brought their major update, yet months later they haven't updated one cars liveries or chassis aside from the "one-off liveries" of Ferrari and McLaren. That's incredibly lazy considering the rate of development for AMS2, RF2, ACC, or the mods in AC. They still haven't laser scanned any of the tracks and have introduced ridiculous bumps on several tracks (unpaid mod creators literally push out laser scanned tracks in a matter of two weeks), and every single update introduces new bugs. The best part of F1 22 is F2, and that's ridiculous. I would much rather EA/Codemasters release on a two year cycle, where they push out DLC for $10 the second year and then release a fresh new game the following year. They'll never let mods in because it would annihilate their annual sales as everyone would just mod the game to reflect the real world in these stable regulations. Hell, some creators have already put out F1 2026 PU content in AC, ASM2, or RF2. A new engine (completely fresh coding), physics model, and approach is absolutely necessary. Don't touch career mode. Focus on fixing bugs, physics, Force Feedback, and multiplayer issues. It's embarrassing to watch F1 E-Sports on this game. You HAVE to do the small, mundane, seemingly inconsequential things right before you can ever achieve the larger objectives. I won't buy anymore EA/Codemasters F1 games until there is better attention to detail and an upgraded engine/physics/coding.

I don't think it would be an Accident considering it was an entirely different developer and publisher behind F1 Manager, they probably wanted to beat it.

I think Codemasters need to take a page from the WWE 2K book and skip a release to work on a much better game for 2 years instead of just 1. I think having that time could help them properly polish and fine-tune the game instead of giving us the mess that is F1 22

For this years game, fix the audio for xbox, fix the handling as the previous handling was so much better thats just 2 main things that annoy me with the game

as someone whos tried both, im gonna sum this up like this. I bought F1 22 a bit after launch due to hesitation, and immediately refunded it and put it into a preorder of F1 Manager, and when I got early access to it because of that, I never looked back and still clock in the hours on it.

My theory: f1 21 was such a hot commodity because of the 2021 season, so people just don't want to go out and buy another f1 game quite yet because the one they have is only a year old and not that much changed from last year.

Just look at Arma to see how important Modding is for longevity...

I've got almost 200 hours in F1 manager and about a tenth of that on F1 22. I'm just done with codemasters until we get something that doesn't look identical to the last few F1 games with the same bugs

F1 22 needs a lot of features but hey you can drive a sports car and watch Mika Hakkinen do the griddy fucking lmao

I think its just mainly the game itself being not very new. That alongside the bugs at the start made a lot of people frustrated. It just felt like F1 21 in bad, so I stopped playing

I've brought Manager but not the regular.

I don't understand why it's so hard for game devs or publishers to listen to what the players want. How hard is it, to go on KZfaq and find it out? It takes them 1 hour of research to lay the ground work for a great game. The simplest Retro cars More tracks, legendary tracks you can choose from, so you can customize your championship. This would be the simplest part Then maybe change some mechanics, but even that isn't hard to find out or to fix

I knew the days of me loving Codemasters ended with the announcement of the EA acquisition and the release of PC3. I knew F122 would be a fuck up under EA.

F1 22 killed itself

It wasn’t accidental, EA and codemasters destroyed it. F1 22 was a complete travesty and was virtually unplayable, so when an f1 game came out that actually worked most sensible people that could afford to do so jumped ship.

Another game with great mod support increasing longevity is Microsoft flight simulator

I won't lie, F1 manager definitely scratched an itch for me that I didn't know I had, to the point that I think I'd fully abandon F1 22 if there was an equivalent of 'my team' in F1 manager.

As someone who plays a lot of football manager I really enjoyed f1 manager it's just a shame it gets VERY repetitive after you become basically the top team. I don't think I could ever play normal f1 but this gives me my fix

I personally haven't played with the F1 Manager game but I played with F1 22 and it's honestly the most disappointing F1 game since F1 2015. The fact that it had a shocking release with loads of game-breaking bugs, no support for certain wheel rims and generally really poor online stability, plus there is little to no customization if you don't spend real money on the game (actually the game doesn't really have any good customization option), also the features the game has are so boring and pointless that the players hasn't asked for: Like who the fuck gives a crap about a couch or a lamp - Give me REAL customization of helmets, liveries, race suits, gloves. Give me features that I actually care about: F3, better online with fun game modes, more detailed Career and MyTeam modes, Co-op season with more than 2 people.

It has nothing to do with EA. This practice is done by almost every AAA studio. It's the same game all over again and license restrictions (cars can't have damage or tears, no new circuits, old cars, etc.) only makes it worse.

I love management sim games and racing games, but I just cba to sim race for more than 1-2 hours at a time so f1 manager is perfect for me.

I also stopped playing f1 when the 22 game released. The game has so much bugs and multiplayer is a big mess. Other sims are also much more immersive then the curent f1 game so yeah.

I hope it did because they can't keep getting away with all these buggy games they need the fattest slap for these games they've released. I hope they don't succeed they need as much hate as possible for all the issues they have on their game

Honestly I don’t know what I was expecting from F1 22. All versions lately have been pretty much the same, with different car liveries, more crappy microtransactions and play modes that don’t really go anywhere like Braking Point. I don’t play on PC so I can’t skin myTeam cars, which inevitably ends up looking like a bootleg version of F1. I don’t like it as much as I used to, but there aren’t many other options out there.

F1 Manager is simply better for casual players, you don't need a wheel and pedals to have a full experience, graphics are great though sometimes wonky but overall it's just fun. One of my biggest issues with it is the implementation of Denuvo, that shit's wack and a burden for every PC that isn't godlike, chugging all the resources it can get.

I think what needs to happen is that F1 themselves must move the game to let's say milestone/ACC creators/any other. As i think its because of F1 life which is useless

I see F1M becoming some special in the future. And when that time comes, ea is gonna buy it with all the fifa money.

Hello, a small misunderstanding in the video, Rocket League is built on UE3, not UE4

I personally won’t buy f1 23 but will definitely buy f1 manager 2023 not because of the glitches but because I like manager games a lot more than a game where you drive, so yes I would say it have had a direct impact on f1 22 and all their future games…

I looooove f1 manager. I have racked up over 100 hours still not bored. Great game extremely addicting

I was actually really looking forward to both games, but driving in F1 just feels so wrong and is no fun at all to me. Even though I prefer a good career mode to a little bit better simulation, it being completely weird and no fun to drive in a driving game is a no go to me Maybe I would like it on controller, but owning a DD wheel, I rather play something else than using a controller