Did Henry VIII love Anne Boleyn?

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The Anne Boleyn Files and Tudor Society

The Anne Boleyn Files and Tudor Society

5 жыл бұрын

In this first of a series of videos answering Anne Boleyn Files followers' questions about Anne Boleyn, Claire Ridgway, author of "The Fall of Anne Boleyn: A Countdown", discusses the question "Did Henry VIII love Anne Boleyn".

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@aryiastark4698
@aryiastark4698 5 жыл бұрын
The only person Henry loved was himself.
@VCYT
@VCYT 5 жыл бұрын
Sounds more like president Trump.
@RavenWolfDrum69
@RavenWolfDrum69 5 жыл бұрын
Amen
@ernestinemaloy6752
@ernestinemaloy6752 5 жыл бұрын
He was a certifiable meglamaniac and as such an extremely dangerous person to be involved with at even an arms length distance . I mean look how many people lost their heads for real just so he could get what he wanted...I would've steered clear of this one.
@ioanlightoller4934
@ioanlightoller4934 5 жыл бұрын
@@ernestinemaloy6752 I think I would have, too. From all I've read (a fair bit over 40 years) he truly was someone that it was dangerous to know, and even more dangerous to love.
@orianna9200
@orianna9200 5 жыл бұрын
He was a total pyschopath towards the end of his life.
@judithutter4116
@judithutter4116 5 жыл бұрын
In my opinion the only love Henry had was the thought of a legitimate son. I believe that if the son Henry had with Catherine of Aragon had lived he would have stayed married to her until death.
@eej1983able
@eej1983able 5 жыл бұрын
I agree. He was so obsessed with this and considering the strict succession line he definitely had a right to be, but couldn't he have changed it? Or was someone else to be convinced?
@paigeturner1039
@paigeturner1039 5 жыл бұрын
Agreed!
@pamelaboswell9715
@pamelaboswell9715 5 жыл бұрын
He would have, no doubt. He chose her to be his wife. But he became fixated on Leviticus, I think because when their children kept dying, he needed a reason...as we often do when there is tragedy for which there is NO reason. His religion gave him a satisfactory answer.
@maxdemouy721
@maxdemouy721 5 жыл бұрын
He was married to Catherine of Aragon for basically a quarter of a century and you don't believe there was any love?
@christinedarrock8486
@christinedarrock8486 5 жыл бұрын
I couldn't agree more!
@BLARG09
@BLARG09 5 жыл бұрын
I'd say obsession is different than love. Obsession would make you act this way. I don't feel like he loved her at all. He wanted what he wanted and when he thought he might not get it it made him crazy.
@mtinsfsd
@mtinsfsd 5 жыл бұрын
dot Totally agree. He was a narcissistic sociopath which anyone could easily become given as much power, money, and authority. He had king-baby syndrome: give me what I want now, or I will throw a huge fit, except his fits had dire consequences.
@annamoshkanbarians492
@annamoshkanbarians492 5 жыл бұрын
I agree,I think if she had slept with him when he started pursuing her he would have dumped her like every other mistress he had,but she didn't and that made him obsessed with her,with having her.
@curtisclary9911
@curtisclary9911 5 жыл бұрын
@@mtinsfsd That would be Trump now a days.
@rowenacook3021
@rowenacook3021 5 жыл бұрын
@@annamoshkanbarians492 I agree
@peggyw172
@peggyw172 5 жыл бұрын
Curtis Clary or Hilary for that matter.
@sarawilliams9025
@sarawilliams9025 5 жыл бұрын
I believe Henry loved Anne as much as he was able to. His idea of love was probably confused with coveting...he was spoiled much as a child from what I’ve read, he got what he wanted most of the time, and he wanted Anne. Curiously, I think Anne’s fall began with Henry’s fall...off of the horse in the jousting accident. I believe he had frontal lobe damage, and it helped create the tyrant that had Anne executed.
@annwilliams6438
@annwilliams6438 5 жыл бұрын
Sara Williams Spot on!
@PaulaBill1
@PaulaBill1 5 жыл бұрын
That is speculative and not based in science. Frontal lobe damage does not turn someone into a sociopath. In frontal lobe damage you see very obvious signs of it's effects i.e. lack of facial expression, difficulty speaking etc. He would have changed noticeably and it would have been part of documented history by the people surrounding him. None of that happened after he recovered from his jousting accident. What it did do is heighten his sense of mortality and his need for a male heir.
@kiera6326
@kiera6326 5 жыл бұрын
@@PaulaBill1+ He would have felt less fear aswell, and acted on impulse.
@amberblack9587
@amberblack9587 5 жыл бұрын
haha yea he sounds like he was a giant man baby!
@elizabethmcleod246
@elizabethmcleod246 5 жыл бұрын
PaulaBill1 He had chronic pain from that fall, the wound in his leg that wouldn’t heal and it made him miserable a lot of the time. He was edgy.
@welshwitch2126
@welshwitch2126 5 жыл бұрын
I think it started out as an obsession with, and lust for something he couldn’t have. I do think he began to really care for her. And I believe that all the things he was drawn to about her in the beginning-her wit, intelligence, and her outspoken nature were the same things that he started to hate about her. That, and she didn’t give him the son she promised him. He had moved Heaven and Earth to get her, and being the pompous, vain man he was, he was no doubt angry with himself for looking like a fool.
@ernestinemaloy6752
@ernestinemaloy6752 5 жыл бұрын
The only thing Anne was really guilty of was stealing the throne right out from under Catherine of Aragon while she was still practically sitting on it !! That is enough for me to say she was a theif a manipulater and usurper all of which can be considered treason even today.also she made promises to Henry that she ultimately was unable to keep...to give him a healthy son. That was what cost her the position she stole from the rightful queen...Catharine of aragon. I think she got what she deserved in the end. She lost Henry's infatuation , his protection and in the end everything materially that had once belonged to Catharine that Anne had stolen from her. My sympathy lies solely with Catharine of aragon not the theiving conniving whore that usurped her position. Queen Catharine , I'm so sorry this happened to you . You deserved better treatment than that. RIP your majesty you are in heaven and the Boleyn bitch is burning in hell where all thrives and adulteresses go when they die.
@mtinsfsd
@mtinsfsd 5 жыл бұрын
Welshwitch, I do not think u could be anymore spot on. He saw her as another object to obtain, but people are not objects and do not stay put and do as we like like puppets.
@mtinsfsd
@mtinsfsd 5 жыл бұрын
ernestine maloy If a King was seeking u out, it may not be so easy to stay away. She tried to stay away, but he kept seeking her out.
@joyceblitsch812
@joyceblitsch812 5 жыл бұрын
Welshwitch, I agree with everything you said. I would add that once Henry started hating Anne, her inability to provide a son and the way she had made so many enemies at court and turned people against her only supported Henry's increasing hatred of her and willingness to execute her, leaving the field open for Jane Seymour.
@joyceblitsch812
@joyceblitsch812 5 жыл бұрын
@@ernestinemaloy6752 I agree with you about Catherine of Aragon. She's always had my sympathy in this royal love/hate triangle. Henry was absolutely awful to both her and Mary at the end of Catherine's life.
@solesole9250
@solesole9250 5 жыл бұрын
I don’t think he “loved” any of his wife’s. I think he feared and respected Catherine and he was mesmerized by Anne. But I think the guy was incapable of regular love.
@montrelouisebohon-harris7023
@montrelouisebohon-harris7023 4 жыл бұрын
Yes! His love for Anne Boyelyn was like a teenager. Then he was infatuated with Jane Seymour because he wasn't with her long enough to know whether he loved her or not and he did threaten her twice. I'm sure Jane was aching to have an affair with the King when he was expecting a child with Anne,& then Ann lost a four month pregnancy that was a boy which made Henry Furious. She got pregnant too soon following the miscarriage before and she should have waited a couple months but I know she was in a hurry just for Henry. Henry told Jane's family and Jane all about his fad story and how Wicked Ann was. The truth was that he always believed that he was wrong and that he was never the one that did anything wrong. He put himself in a position of God and that in itself is heresy just like Lucifer. The seymours just wanted power and to be in the king's court. Jane found out when she asked the king twice about restoring one or two of the Catholic Abbey's - that the king had fed her and her family a bunch of crap about Anne boleyn's cheating on him, etc.. I'm pretty sure at that moment she wondered herself as she was going to die next and it was probably best that she died after giving birth because he would have eventually tired of her.. she was not a princess and not Royal Blood so he could have easily done the same thing to her as he did to Ann.
@leanie9660
@leanie9660 4 жыл бұрын
@@montrelouisebohon-harris7023 well, once Jane gave him a legitimate heir, Henry could never have done anything to discredit her without risking a smear on his son's position. Jane (or Anne, if she had succeeded in producing a healthy boy) would have been safe.
@stompthedragon4010
@stompthedragon4010 4 жыл бұрын
It is really hard to tell with the way he was portrayed. I tend to swing with the idea that as he aged he was experiencing some type of mental disturbance from his accidents. At times he did seem very loving. I think he regretted rejecting Ann of Cleaves.Supposedly they remained friends for the duration of his life. I wonder how many intimate nights theyreally spent together.
@pamelaboswell9715
@pamelaboswell9715 4 жыл бұрын
I think that's astute. I think you're right. Above all, Henry wanted the throne to remain Tudor because of all the war and assassinations that led up to it. And he got desperate and paranoid when he thought that someone else would claim the throne.
@anastasiaisabella7354
@anastasiaisabella7354 4 жыл бұрын
@@leanie9660 a healthy male heir that all he wanted from his wives nothing more
@reneenayfabnaynay5679
@reneenayfabnaynay5679 5 жыл бұрын
I think Henry really believed he loved her. His letters to Anne are the most passionate of all his letters! At least the ones we know about. Whatever he may have felt, it's very obvious he was willing to go to great lengths in order to have Anne as his wife. So, if nothing else, he certainly wanted her more than he'd ever wanted any other woman. But, as others have stated, if it was true love, no way could he have stood by and let her be tried and executed like that! But, my mama used to say there's a fine line between love & hate.
@darkpninja
@darkpninja 5 жыл бұрын
If for whatever reason he truly believed that she had been unfaithful to him I can totally see Henry having her killed even if he did love her.
@mscott3918
@mscott3918 5 жыл бұрын
Passionate letters, and poems and songs. He probably loved the thought of being in love with her. Then, when no male heir is overwhelming need to provide a male heir consumed him. Then she had to go, no matter how flimsy the excuse.
@malorzatadomin7836
@malorzatadomin7836 3 жыл бұрын
If you really love some one you can not kill this person
@howtosober
@howtosober Жыл бұрын
I think the notion of "love" in the context of a pathological narcissist who wholeheartedly believed in 'manifest destiny' is absurd. Henry was obsessed with Anne the way that a toddler is obsessed with a current favorite toy. You don't murder someone you love. What I still don't understand is why Henry didn't just divorce her when he wanted to be rid of her. After turning all of Christendom upside-down to marry Anne, it's absurd that participated in ridiculous, trumped-up charges that no one with any common sense would have believed, only to have an excuse to murder her. Obviously, he knew divorce was an option. He did it with his first wife, and again with his fourth. For whatever reason Anne fell out of fashion with Henry, his heavy-handed response was just as irrational as his killing thousands of his own subjects and changing the State religion just to be able to marry her. You can't make sense out of nonsense.
@intuitknit
@intuitknit 5 жыл бұрын
Can narcissists really love anyone other than themselves? I don't think so.
@montrelouisebohon-harris7023
@montrelouisebohon-harris7023 4 жыл бұрын
Henry was Lucifer!! The only person that I know he really did care about and love despite getting mad as hell at him one time was Charles Brandon. He was mad at Charles when Charles married Henry's Sister Mary after the king of France died and Mary was no longer Queen consort of France. Henry and Mary had a secret wedding and the King found out and was Furious!! They hurt his pride and punched his vanity and once he cooled off, he was okay with it. That happened in 1418 or 1419, but I did happenee 12 or 13 years later he might have killed Charles.
@smc3117
@smc3117 4 жыл бұрын
Having been born into such a privileged position, he may have become a narcissist because of his understandable sense of entitlement and lack of limits and boundaries (compare Prince Andrew 😡). However, it seems that he was a well-liked, athletic and handsome young man until his jousting accident after which his character changed. Maybe the constant headaches were enough to make anyone grumpy, but I wonder if that accident could have been what brought on his narcissism? Could it have damaged his amygdala? We now know that this has actually happened to normal, healthy people who have suffered serious accidents, soldiers who have been shot in the head, etc. It's an interesting thought but I don't suppose we'll ever know. He wasn't capable of loving anyone, not even himself.
@pamelaboswell9715
@pamelaboswell9715 4 жыл бұрын
@@montrelouisebohon-harris7023 Yes, he was an ego-maniac, and I think that was his undoing. I've read all sorts of theories that Henry changed after that horrible jousting accident. Some people think he became a tyrant because of frontal lobe damage, among other thngs. Apparently, he was a very affable and relatable person in his youth. I think we can never know.
@lightningbug276
@lightningbug276 3 жыл бұрын
Their “love” turns to hate when they realize their partner is only human.
@caroletraynor8763
@caroletraynor8763 3 жыл бұрын
And the same applies to Prince Harry.
@Babesinthewood97
@Babesinthewood97 5 жыл бұрын
It seems like he loved her, in the way a narcissist loves someone.
@Dstew57A
@Dstew57A 5 жыл бұрын
If his first wife were to have given him a son I doubt he would have married Ann. He might have had dalliances but he would not have gone thru the hassle of divorcing Catherine
@jemm2026
@jemm2026 5 жыл бұрын
Imagine what England would look like now had Catherine's son lived to rule...no church of England...no Elizabeth the first, no religious wars...one wonders...
@leanie9660
@leanie9660 5 жыл бұрын
@@jemm2026 ha ha...there would still have been religious wars. Protestantism was spreading across Europe. Brits are/were not sheep. Many would have switched whether Henry pushed the envelope or not. Henry and Katherine's son may well have been open to change anyway.
@SG-pu3rx
@SG-pu3rx 4 жыл бұрын
Neelia Henry, Edward and Elizabeth didn't push the envelop they forced people to leave their faith and follow the new religions they benefitted and punished the ones who didn't. They were the main factor protestanism spread that much and that quick, by the force of their sword!!
@joybrautigam9529
@joybrautigam9529 4 жыл бұрын
If any of his wives had given him a male heir he would have forgiven her anything
@whitneymohrhauser8753
@whitneymohrhauser8753 4 жыл бұрын
@@joybrautigam9529 King Henry VIII did have son with Jane Seymour but the Queen died in Childbirth.
@michaelwright4302
@michaelwright4302 5 жыл бұрын
I completely agree with you that Henry early on was madly in love with Anne. Love is supposed to be unconditional. With Henry it was very conditional, his conditions. As to Henry standing by and letting Anne and the 5 men be framed? Nonsense. Thomas Cromwell could do nothing without Henry's permission. The blame for the murders of six innocent people starts with the king. Thank you Claire and Tim. Excellent presentation. It's a free class in Tudor History and I so enjoy your daily vidz and am looking forward to additional long form 'classes'.
@theodensonofthengel5787
@theodensonofthengel5787 4 жыл бұрын
Henry loved to have his way, he could not love anyone other than himself.
@mcbrineart
@mcbrineart 5 жыл бұрын
As an Anne obsessive, this was awesome, thank you! I first became enamoured of English history of this period after seeing Henry with his 6 wives in the Madame Tussaud's wax museum in Victoria, British Columbia Canada. Then I went on to do book reports on some of the Tudors, such as Bloody Mary, illustrating my work with hand drawn copies of Holbein's portraits. After discovering my talent, I went on to become a portrait artist! But back to Anne and Henry. I agree with you to the degree that Henry was capable of love. I think he was definitely enamoured and loved her in his own way, but that way was that of a Narcissistic Psychopath or perhaps Borderline Personality Disorder. Or maybe, just a spoiled, selfish man used to getting everything his own way all of the time. As long as people (Wolsey, More, Cromwell, Anne .....) did what he wanted and did not oppose him in any way, he loved them. However, the second they went against his wishes or (in Anne's case, became upset and complained about his infidelity), he turned cold and did not hesitate to send them to the block.
@anneboleynfiles
@anneboleynfiles 5 жыл бұрын
A portrait artist? Wow! It's wonderful that you were so inspired.
@mcbrineart
@mcbrineart 5 жыл бұрын
@@anneboleynfiles Yes, after discovering King Henry and his 6 wives, portraits have always fascinated me - it is a form of immortality, isn't it? Standing in front of a well done portrait is an emotional experience and Holbein's drawings are so well done. You can really see the individual.
@andreastalpsepp4453
@andreastalpsepp4453 5 жыл бұрын
He did. In a way. Hiring that expert swordsman.
@vickiezaccardo1711
@vickiezaccardo1711 5 жыл бұрын
So sweet of him.
@yourlocalnoob4938
@yourlocalnoob4938 4 жыл бұрын
@I'm Tired Of It Too He didn't give his fifth wife an expert swordsman though? (I'm on team 'he didn't love her' but the expert swordsman thing is confusing)
@masada2828
@masada2828 4 жыл бұрын
Andreas Talpsepp - only became Anne was a Queen. He showed her some mercy.
@raffaellavitiello1762
@raffaellavitiello1762 4 жыл бұрын
@@vickiezaccardo1711 he was such a considerate personne hahah
@jencrowley1682
@jencrowley1682 3 жыл бұрын
I watched another KZfaq Video (can't remember who made it) that had a probable explanation behind Anne's "merciful" execution: at the time, it was unheard of for an anointed Queen to be executed (yes, Anne died a Queen as she had been anointed as one, she wasn't made Queen simply by marriage; Henry had done this purposely to ensure that there would be no question as to the validity of Anne being a Queen, though he probably later regretted this decision as there was no policy at that time to take away this title). The fact that Henry VIII had ordered the execution of an anointed Queen was very bad for him PR-wise. So as not to add-on to the bad PR, it was in Henry's best interest to ensure the execution went as smoothly as possible. There are many, many accounts of botched executions with the axe. Henry probably did not want to take any risk and so, went to the extra trouble to hire the skilled French swordsman. Death by sword wasn't done for Anne's benefit, but rather Henry's.
@TheLeaveTaking
@TheLeaveTaking 5 жыл бұрын
When I was younger I used to think Henry loved Anne. Series like “The Tudors“ fed such notions on my part, and of course I had studied Henry's “love“ letters to Anne. He desired and admired her for sure, was obsessed with her - and obsession can change the world. But, seriously, no person, not even a king, who ever truly LOVED a person body and soul would have their head smitten off, would have them suffer death by sword. I just don't buy it.
@charlottebruce979
@charlottebruce979 3 жыл бұрын
Love can easily turn to hate, its possible to be deeply in love then end up hating the person. Happens all the time.
@animec-dramaskpop6362
@animec-dramaskpop6362 3 жыл бұрын
@@charlottebruce979 Sorry, don't buy it. That type of love was toxic from get go.
@KEMET1971
@KEMET1971 5 жыл бұрын
Who cares if he loved her or not, or he believed he loved her? He signed her death warrant on charges he was well aware were trumped up ... who needs or wants that kind of love.
@TinaShay
@TinaShay 5 жыл бұрын
Being an Historian must be wonderful! I can't stop watching you! Best Regards!
@el5406
@el5406 5 жыл бұрын
I don't believe he had any frontal lobe damage. It was just easier to get rid of Anne because she was just a noblewoman. Catherine of Aragon had blue blood so he couldn't kill her or else it might have cause a war with Spain. However, Henry was running out of churches to go to so he just had her executed. People tend to make his and Anne's story into a love story when in reality he just wanted a young woman who could have a son. He thought that Catherine of Aragon was too old to have children so it was the worth divorcing her even if it took that much time because he could get a young woman, like Anne, pregnant.
@margaretflood4811
@margaretflood4811 5 жыл бұрын
I think by the time Henry and Anne married, she really wasn’t THAT YOUNG ANYMORE ,which may have caused her to miscarry a number of times after Elizabeth’s birth.Anne was at least close to 30 if not a few years older when they married which especially in the 16th century are NOT PRIME FERTILITY YEARS. Her date of birth is reported to be either 1501 or 1507.She married Henry in 1533 at either age 32 or 26. If it was the earlier year she was well in her thirties after Elizabeth’s birth in late 1533.
@el5406
@el5406 5 жыл бұрын
margaret flood when a woman asked Mary Tudor how old Anne was when she died Mary said "not 29 yet". Which means Henry started to stalk her at age 19. She was 25 when she married Henry and 28 when she got executed. Definitely a lot younger than Catherine of Aragon. If 1507 is Anne's actual DOB than Jane Seymour wasn't really that much younger than her. Others do say that she was born earlier but when Anne went to school in France, she was younger than they other girls.
@el5406
@el5406 5 жыл бұрын
Cait L. Claire Ridgeway said that the only source that says he was unconscious for 2 hours came from Rome. The English sources say that it wasn't that serious. He was always insane. The two monks that didn't want to declare Mary illegitimate were hung and tortured to death. That tells me that he was always crazy and ruthless.
@el5406
@el5406 5 жыл бұрын
Cait L. I've heard of other monarchs before jail their Queens because their Queens did something that they didn't like. Henry is just the same. English sources say that the fall wasn't that serious and he's did other horrible stuff before he even fell. I think his later years where he was just grumpy & insecure. I'm surprised Catherine Parr could handle him and got to convince him to declare the girls legitimate again. I think he even jailed her for some time for some misunderstanding.
@wandaboria2591
@wandaboria2591 5 жыл бұрын
Agree totally with you. Henry convinced himself that Only a man could rule England, therefore he needed a living son which Katherine of Aragon could no longer give her. She was pregnant 5 times and gave him 3 sons, unfortunately the males did not survive. He had used the scriptures in Leviticus as an excuse that his marriage to Katherine was against God's will, therefore, his marriage to Katherine was Male less. Had Katherine's Male children survived there would have not been a Queen Anne or Queen Elizabeth 1...
@linchen008
@linchen008 4 жыл бұрын
Best Quote: Execution doesn't seem a sign of true love 👍lol 😂
@sobeidalagrange7129
@sobeidalagrange7129 4 жыл бұрын
😁😁😂😂😁😁😁😶😶😹😹😹
@anastasiaisabella7354
@anastasiaisabella7354 4 жыл бұрын
True 😂😂😂
@alarahalbach8665
@alarahalbach8665 3 жыл бұрын
So true😂😂😂👍
@brianfinnegan664
@brianfinnegan664 3 жыл бұрын
Yes but people can fall out of love
@AshLoRo
@AshLoRo 3 жыл бұрын
Exactley. Its hard to actually imagine but he knowingly knew she did not do what he accused her of. Its now been proven through documents found. He chopped her head of. The mother of his child, his wife. He publicly humiliated her right to the end. If a man cut of a womens head off today. It would be no joking matter. Just because it occurred hundreds of years ago. Doesn't make it any less REAL.
@LaPetiteBoulin
@LaPetiteBoulin 5 жыл бұрын
I think Henry loved Anne as much as he could but I also think Henry was in love with the idea of being on love. He was narcissistic and lacked a certain kind of maturity needed to stay devoted to anyone come what may.
@reythejediladyviajakku6078
@reythejediladyviajakku6078 3 жыл бұрын
Henry only loved someone as long as it served his purpose or if he saw a reason. Case in point, the way he treated Mary
@pamelarangel6921
@pamelarangel6921 3 жыл бұрын
He should have loved Mary instead of declaring her a bastard.
@violetfaire
@violetfaire 5 жыл бұрын
Claire I could listen to you all day. I think Henry was obsessed. Anne made the best out of a difficult situation. Henry saw hope for a son and he was attracted to her looks and unique qualities. That made a very dramatic situation.
@debradonley3825
@debradonley3825 5 жыл бұрын
I've been angry, I've been hurt, and I've been let down a few times. Never thought of killing anyone I loved. Not ever. Sane people don't go there.
@susannebemis3311
@susannebemis3311 4 жыл бұрын
me either but I wasn't ordained by God as sovereign
@purplesunflower8242
@purplesunflower8242 4 жыл бұрын
people of power" feel they do anything ?
@GradKat
@GradKat 4 жыл бұрын
But Debra you’re not a king in the sixteenth century, are you?
@sanguinesoulful
@sanguinesoulful 5 жыл бұрын
I think from everything I understand about the couple in question, that Henry did "love" Anne, in so far as he was CAPABLE of such a thing. By all accounts, Henry seems to have suffered if not from simple NPD (and why not - he was told he was and treated as next to God by all those about him - who wouldn't be narcissistic under those circumstances??), possibly an actual mental illness of some kind. Poor man was basically impaired emotionally. Just my 2 cents.
@joannetrgo2661
@joannetrgo2661 5 жыл бұрын
What is NPD?
@sanguinesoulful
@sanguinesoulful 5 жыл бұрын
Joanne Trgo "NPD" is shorthand for, "Narcissistic Personality Disorder". :)
@elizabethwoolnough4358
@elizabethwoolnough4358 5 жыл бұрын
I have wondered if Henry had a personality disorder, and I definitely believe that Mary, Queen of Scots had one.
@leanie9660
@leanie9660 5 жыл бұрын
Can you imagine his upbringing ? An all-powerful father who was so obviously paranoid anyway....an overbearing grandmother....multiple threats to his father's monarchy.... Henry's became the typical uneasy head wearing the crown...he defended his "right" brutally because he probably didn't feel certain that he HAD that right. The entire history of the monarchy is laughable. William The Conqueror had no hereditary right....he was of french bastard seed..no claim to the English throne. Henry I married a divorced woman (now, suddenly, that's a big no no). John of Gaunt was a younger son of the king, and he carried on an affair with his first wife's nurse....then he married AGAIN, but continued to have children with his mistress. Eventually, his SECOND wife died, so he married his longtime lover. The king legitimized his side-blow. Does that make it ok ? Seems that it does, as Henry VII's mother seemed to feel that she had some claim to the throne. (Actually, nevermind HER family history....the truth is that HER husband's lineage was in question...was Edmund Tudor's mother actually married to Owen Tudor ? Was he even the father ?) It's hilarious that they made such a big deal of it all.
@lisarandleman6141
@lisarandleman6141 4 жыл бұрын
sanguinesoulful I think you are absolutely right!
@avamoss389
@avamoss389 5 жыл бұрын
We also have to remember Anne was executed shortly after Henry's jousting accident, in which he suffered severe brain trauma. From that point on, accounts of his temperament illustrated him as the tyrannic despot pictured in the famous Holbein portrait. I believe Henry's patience for Anne's own temperament shortened significantly. In addition, his paranoia of civil war and lack of an heir was probably heightened as well.
@anneboleynfiles
@anneboleynfiles 5 жыл бұрын
Personally, I feel that he's already showed his tyrannical streak before this point. He'd already started using attainders in a new way, he'd executed Buckingham, More, Fisher, the young Elizabeth Barton, the Carthusian monks... and he started his reign making scapegoats out of Empson and Dudley. If there was a turning point in his behaviour, I think it would have to be the Break with Rome and the challenges to his authority that it brought about. I also don't see evidence of Henry VIII definitely suffering a brain injury in that accident. He may have done, but all of the reports from those in England at the time state that he suffered no injury.
@paigeturner1039
@paigeturner1039 5 жыл бұрын
I LOVE this channel!
@welshwitch2126
@welshwitch2126 5 жыл бұрын
Paige Turner agreed
@rochelleb973
@rochelleb973 5 жыл бұрын
Me too
@PomegranateStaindGrn
@PomegranateStaindGrn 5 жыл бұрын
👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 Yes, Claire! I’m almost entirely in agreement with you and use many of the same opinions and bits of information to galvanize my own position on this question. It would be easier to see Henry VIII as wholly a monster but virtually nobody is entirely evil or bad at every moment. Maintaining objectivity about the context of the time is absolutely essential to honestly evaluating the relationship(s) Of Henry VIII to his wives - and theirs to him. I loved this longer "chat-style" video from you. It truly displays why so many of us are passionate about the Tudor period (and perhaps Anne specifically). Facts are wonderful but, once we have them solidified in our minds insofar as they’re "useful", contemplating the depths of human beings and their behaviors is what really ignites the passion of the period for me. Thank you for doing this 😊
@anneboleynfiles
@anneboleynfiles 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you! I enjoy doing these style videos. Yes, there are so many unanswered questions and lots of things up for debate. I love pondering questions like this.
@leahnorris4876
@leahnorris4876 5 жыл бұрын
It would be amazing to hold the letters that King Henry and Anne actually touched!!!
@SafetySpooon
@SafetySpooon 5 жыл бұрын
This is why I shall never be President, or marry into the British Royal Family because the minute I met the Pope, I would bring up their theft of Henry's love letters to Anne. LOL
@angeliapittman4776
@angeliapittman4776 5 жыл бұрын
At least Henry got the best swords man coming from France to chop off her head in swift performance that was kind instead of these ax,surley he cared about making it swift.
@angeliapittman4776
@angeliapittman4776 5 жыл бұрын
@@SafetySpooon Well Meghan markle runs the show now lol even queen hop'sthrough hoops what a disgrace to England how the queen let's Meghan make fools them.sorry your comment made me think of them.
@whatfreshhellisthis8810
@whatfreshhellisthis8810 5 жыл бұрын
Angelia Pittman No man (or woman) makes a fool of the current queen of England. She is the last true monarch. Americans are horrified by this development.
@desertdaisymarie6951
@desertdaisymarie6951 4 жыл бұрын
Angelia Pittman are you for real??
@lauravalentine9488
@lauravalentine9488 5 жыл бұрын
I always thought that it was wanting what he couldn't have. Anne refused to be his mistress (And to his credit Henry would not bed an unwilling woman), but teased, tantalized Henry until he felt crazed and was willing to do whatever it took to make Anne his, and she would only agree to be his wife. Like others said he became obsessed. Once he got what he thought he prized most, like most highly coveted things, it lost its luster. Her failure to provide him with a son, her jealously, nagging made him turn against her. (And I think he felt guilt about his behavior towards his first wife, although he could never admit he had been wrong). The trumped up charges against her were because he wanted rid of her, but again guilt played a part because he sent for a swordsman from France to behead her (He knew she was innocent). Catherine Howard, guilty beyond doubt, got the ax.
@philthorpe7671
@philthorpe7671 4 жыл бұрын
Classic "love hate" that so many of us have been through but on a grand scale. Love your work you have a natural gift and you have me hooked!!.
@laurenbee6340
@laurenbee6340 5 жыл бұрын
Love this series so far! Can’t wait to watch more! I had read your countdown book but it’s time for another go!
@heatherp.4568
@heatherp.4568 5 жыл бұрын
I ABSOLUTELY LOVE your videos! I so look forward to your daily videos...Thank you for sharing your time and research!
@UtahGmaw99
@UtahGmaw99 5 жыл бұрын
In love? No.In lust definitely! What Henry wanted Henry would have.
@darkpninja
@darkpninja 5 жыл бұрын
Six years of lust?
@el5406
@el5406 5 жыл бұрын
darkpninja you want what you can't have. Anne was young. In the end, they were only together for three years.
@pamelaboswell9715
@pamelaboswell9715 5 жыл бұрын
Whenever I revisit this topic this is ALWAYS the question I have! I do not know if it matters but I wish I knew all the same. Why Anne has held our interest for centuries, I don't know. But I've been fascinated with her for as long as I can remember.
@redheadrapunzel6088
@redheadrapunzel6088 4 жыл бұрын
I agree completely! Love can so quickly turn deadly. This was one of my favorite of your videos so far. I love your honesty.
@angeliapittman4776
@angeliapittman4776 5 жыл бұрын
Since I watched the tudors@the orther boleyn girl I can't get enough of history on this now I'm watching documentarys on this subject I love I found this charming video
@cristinajerry4141
@cristinajerry4141 4 жыл бұрын
I just could not get on with that novel by P Gregory. The TV version did differ from the novel. I'm pleased for you that it has given you an appetite for history nevertheless.
@charlottebruce979
@charlottebruce979 4 жыл бұрын
The love letters alone prove he was in love. They are heartfelt and tender. For a man who hated writing letters, they show a man with a longing, passion and lust that you get in the early days of courtship.
@inspiredbynatureinspiredby5586
@inspiredbynatureinspiredby5586 5 жыл бұрын
How could she have truly Loved him when he had her beheaded? She was well-educated in France and wanted to be well positioned. I feel King Henry was drawn to her because she was different from the normal. She was independent and I feel this is what drew him to her. Her confidence! Love allows, it doesn't try to possess or control....or even worse, behead. I feel King Henry allowed his Ego to rule and win.
@monicafiore20
@monicafiore20 5 жыл бұрын
I’m obsessed with your channel! Thank you for your time and hard work! Well done!
@leahnorris4876
@leahnorris4876 5 жыл бұрын
So glad we got 2 from you today!!!
@thomassperduti4500
@thomassperduti4500 5 жыл бұрын
Claire so glad I found you, you're a wealth of knowledge indeed. I love the stories of Queen Mary Tudor the most, I am sure that there was much good about her.
@juanitarichards1074
@juanitarichards1074 5 жыл бұрын
I read that Percy was more interested in Anne than she was in him, and that she kept him at arms length, as she did all other potential suitors, including Thomas Wyatt. Later Percy refused to admit they were ever betrothed and he swore it on the sacrament. If they could prove that Anne and Percy had been betrothed it would give cause for an annulment so that Anne had never been the kings wife. And Percy was pressured mercilessly to admit to the betrothal, by a number of officer of the court. And Percy had been betrothed to the Shrewsbury girl for years beforehand so was in no position to contract another marriage to anyone. The marriage was just sped up, and neither of them wanted it and the marriage was a disaster and produced no children.
@janelleperry8136
@janelleperry8136 5 жыл бұрын
Absolutely love your channel! Thank you so much!
@goldiebelle
@goldiebelle 5 жыл бұрын
I love your channel! Thank you for your videos and books! 😊
@reinadegrillos
@reinadegrillos 5 жыл бұрын
I think he loved her while he did not had her. It a was a matter of intense desire (or obsession) more than true love. I think the young Henry really loved Catherine of Aragon until he got older and needed a son to leave the throne to and became clear that she was not going to give him the heir he desperately needed.
@jennifermoran6637
@jennifermoran6637 5 жыл бұрын
I feel he loved the idea of having sons rather more than ANY of his queens.
@Smashingit2022
@Smashingit2022 4 жыл бұрын
I just LOVE your uploads! I’m so excited to watch this! Hang on I’ve got to hold my vegemite toast and a cuppa! 💖
@physhgyrl76hengesbach18
@physhgyrl76hengesbach18 4 жыл бұрын
Just discovered your channel and I'm already addicted. Thank you
@anneboleynfiles
@anneboleynfiles 4 жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoy it!
@grazielaalmeida8438
@grazielaalmeida8438 4 жыл бұрын
The question should be: Did Henry love Catharine de Aragon.
@anneboleynfiles
@anneboleynfiles 4 жыл бұрын
Yes, I believe he loved her. He didn't have to marry her, he chose to, and they were described as being happy for quite a few years. The stillbirths took a huge toll on their relationship though.
@karinayleo
@karinayleo 3 жыл бұрын
@@anneboleynfiles ah no! Disagree to agree.
@corelei
@corelei 4 жыл бұрын
For me this is a clear case of lust rather than love. I could never have someone I truly love executed (and neither should anyone else!)
@Annalyse74
@Annalyse74 4 жыл бұрын
I can’t get enough of these videos! Thank you for separating fact from fiction
@charliebarrow7086
@charliebarrow7086 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the informative videos, great job, I love to listen to you.
@tiffanysamuels279
@tiffanysamuels279 5 жыл бұрын
I feel Henry truly loved her. It was the first time he met a woman who said no and he was beguiled by her wit and her charm and the fact that she can hold a conversation. In that aspect she reminded him aspect of Katherine but there was this recklessness that he needed to tame. That however didn't transfer well into a marriage and in other words he married his girlfriend. Anne wasn't educated in royal marriages and wasn't cool about not being his only woman so all that recklessness and that wit came to bite him back later on. They were an ideological difference: Anne was a reformer and Henry truly wasn't that difference alone had caused resentment and anger towards her because he sacrificed so much to be with her logically speaking he forsaken centuries of tradition that had made his father king and something that he believed in deeply which won't be transfer to any descendants he had, which is a hard blow to a religious man like Henry and honestly she isn't even trained or have the understanding of the restraint put upon her when she became Queen. Their relationship was always doomed. I feel the greatest love of Henry's life out of his wives was Katherine, they had a strong, healthy and grand relationship that lasted the longest and traits of her he would consistently pursue throughout his life. Anne: Her wit Jane: her spirituality Anne: her ties and contributes as a queen Katherine: her former youth and beauty Katherine: Her prudence and wisdom Every Queen that he picked: he had Katherine in mind and she truly the only one who was a competent partner to Henry. None of the women were and it wasn't for her not being able to have a son and was 6 years older than it wouldn't have been an issue and history would be different.
@samanthafinn4544
@samanthafinn4544 5 жыл бұрын
I think Henry did love Anne in the beginning and maybe fell out of love with her ( she didn't live up to his expectations of giving him a long awaited Prince).
@ProfoundConfusion
@ProfoundConfusion 5 жыл бұрын
This is my new favourite Anne Boleyn Files video (which is really saying something, because you've created an such impressive collection of excellent videos). Although it was a *monologue* , it felt like I was actually listening to a *dialogue* because of the way you went back & forth, carefully presenting the evidence, sifting through it & drawing conclusions from it. I'm always impressed by your thoughtfulness & fairness in respecting contrary opinions, as well as how much effort you put into getting to the truth.
@anneboleynfiles
@anneboleynfiles 5 жыл бұрын
Aw, you're so kind!
@jennifereusterman
@jennifereusterman 4 жыл бұрын
You give Henry much more credit than I ever could! 🤣 I find him really hard to stomach!! Love your videos!
@ellie-ek5ri
@ellie-ek5ri 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you for making this video! I always wondered whether he loved her or just really fancied her, because the idea of killing someone you love just seems so impossible to me. But you brought up some points that I have never thought about, like how someone you love more than the stars can easily turn into the one person you hate above everyone else. I definitely now see how he was infatuated with her because he loved her, but their marriage turned into something awful, and he eventually hated her. I wonder why? It seems unlikely, to me in 2019 anyway, that you could hate someone just because they haven’t given you a son yet as a part of me thinks he knew she was innocent but wanted her gone. But it was a very different time so who knows. 🤷🏼‍♀️ I love your channel and your website (it really helped me when I was doing my A Level History coursework last year) and the effort you put into them, I look forward to exploring your ideas in your books! ✨
@annettefournier9655
@annettefournier9655 5 жыл бұрын
Very sensibly the most honest explanation of love. Passionate love does not last. If it does not grow into a deep and abiding mutual friendship love between mature people that for this love would not dream of purposefully hurting the other out of selfishness, it is doomed to fail. And so seen, frequently does. More women need to get their heads out if romance novels and lifetime movies .
@crystalmartinez637
@crystalmartinez637 5 жыл бұрын
I just discovered your channel, love your videos!
@junedeck1599
@junedeck1599 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for a compelling look at love between Henry and Anne.
@franzimmerman2174
@franzimmerman2174 5 жыл бұрын
wanting is not loving. Henry wants what Henry wants and he gets it. My definition of love is not everybody's but I have loved and been loved. We do not murder someone we love and we never completely stop loving those we truly love.
@janbadinski7126
@janbadinski7126 5 жыл бұрын
I couldn't agree more.
@maureengillies9495
@maureengillies9495 5 жыл бұрын
I think henry was already ready to move on from ann his eye was already wandering so she got pregnant quickly probably on the urging of her family if she hadn ‘t got pregnant he would not havenarried her there were many attractive women at court he would have moved on
@wht-rabt-obj
@wht-rabt-obj 5 жыл бұрын
I agree that they loved each other and pretty much everything else you said. However, I think it was Henry and Cromwell, 50/50 that had Anne prosecuted, both for their own reasons. Love these videos. I could listen to your voice for hours.
@tysmom76
@tysmom76 4 жыл бұрын
New subscriber, I enjoy how you take the romance out of it and bring it down to more thoughtful ideas
@laylagrace7325
@laylagrace7325 5 жыл бұрын
I came across this channel from searching for videos about six tge musical and Im so interested in learning more about Anne's history
@darkflame44
@darkflame44 5 жыл бұрын
It is interesting that Henry VIII was determined to have a male heir. His male heir who eventually was born through Jane Seymour passed away at a young age.... It was Elizabeth I who succeeded him the longest out of his children...Wasn't it 45 years in reign? She was Anne Boleyn's child with Henry VII. So his determination for a male heir was unfounded.
@mabel8179
@mabel8179 4 жыл бұрын
Yes, and Elizabeth was a better monarch than he was!
@sobeidalagrange7129
@sobeidalagrange7129 4 жыл бұрын
It is not a matter of if Elizabeth was good leader or not... The desire of a man in Tudors times is to prevail the name of the family. If Elizabeth I had married and she had had a son whom she would give the Tudors name. Then she would have achieved what a male heir would have given Henry VIII. For us Elizabeth I was enough and more as a queen,and to some simply MAGNIFICENT. However, without she marrying and having any decendency their Tudor dynasty just died. This was in the end what Henry VIII feared the most and it became true. He would not have cared how good or bad his male heirs to the throne would have been. He only cared for his name "Tudor" to be carried on by his direct line.
@Kavita-yl1nc
@Kavita-yl1nc 4 жыл бұрын
@@sobeidalagrange7129 He should've married off Mary at an earlier age, I'm pretty sure she was 40 when she married Phillip, as well as arranged marriages between his kids to secure the dynasty, but he was more interested in a male heir and a himself.
@sobeidalagrange7129
@sobeidalagrange7129 4 жыл бұрын
@@Kavita-yl1nc I agree with you!!!
@triciabaker5919
@triciabaker5919 5 жыл бұрын
I agree totally! I believe that everything started out with great intentions of Both Henry and Anne, but as time went on he may have been struggling with his resentment towards her and as he questioned what he gave up for her I believe it turned to hate.
@janbadinski7126
@janbadinski7126 5 жыл бұрын
I love your vids, so informative, well presented. Thank you for feeding us history junkies.
@anneboleynfiles
@anneboleynfiles 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@sandrageist1061
@sandrageist1061 5 жыл бұрын
Loved this video. Excited to read your books. I find Henry's illegitimate son's story interesting but have never heard the thought he could have been made heir if Henry choose. I look forward to more videos!
@mariahunter9882
@mariahunter9882 5 жыл бұрын
Hi Claire, thanks so much for this video. Brilliant analysis, in my view. I found it so refreshing that you don't subscribe to the "Anne knew she could seduce him and become Queen" theory that seems to have been repeated in so many documentaries and books. She had the example of her own sister being set casually aside so it really does not make sense that she was scheming for the crown from the start. I also believe she only gradually became attached to him over time and then when she committed to marry him, she did so fully and by that time was really in love with him. In the end though, nothing really excuses his conduct in how callously he pushed aside or killed those who had once been close to him. Catherine, Anne, Katherine Howard, Thomas Moore, Thomas Wolsey, and the list goes on. Deep down he seems to have had some genuine affection for others but his big and deep love was himself and his own ego and gratification. I also have and enjoy that book by Karen Lindsey you recommended. Great read. She's quite funny on numerous occasions as well as educational.
@anneboleynfiles
@anneboleynfiles 5 жыл бұрын
I just can't see any evidence for Anne being this predator who manipulated Henry or who played games with him. He would have been more likely to have moved on to easier conquests and there's no way that she could have known that if she flirted with him she might become queen. Bessie Blount hadn't become queen. Thank you!
@doloressantos440
@doloressantos440 4 жыл бұрын
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@cherylreed7523
@cherylreed7523 5 жыл бұрын
Hello Claire...thankyou for another really enjoyable video....I agree with you..I think he did love Anne...hate only comes when you have truly loved...Anne's inability to give him a living son...I think set off the resentment in him...plus maybe she wasn't as accommodating in their marriage as Katherine was...a different personality....set him on that downward spiral into resentment & hate....a tragic end to their feisty relationship...so sad they seem to have been truly well matched for each other....
@rolandparfenovics5250
@rolandparfenovics5250 4 жыл бұрын
Wonderful work and research you have done and very generous and interactive to let your audience ask questions which you answer. Thank you Claire. Could you add artworks of the times and people you are discussing ? Even just in the top right square ?
@Sarastarlight100
@Sarastarlight100 4 жыл бұрын
I really loved and enjoyed listening to this. It was very informative
@sunnysmiles8211
@sunnysmiles8211 5 жыл бұрын
I believe he did love her in the beginning, but when things didn’t turn out the way he wanted (a baby girl and 2 miscarriages) he compartmentalized everything, and rationalized her downfall to pave the way for a new relationship, because he married Jane Seymour very quickly after Anne’s demise. Women were disposable pawns back then, sad to say. However cruel it may seem to us about a decapitation, he also had a swordsman from France sent over so that her death would be quick and painless (or so he wanted to believe) vs having someone hack at her neck w an axe, But who knows maybe he just wanted to look nice to the crowd; I believe in the end he just saw her as collateral damage on the way to getting his son and heir and made her a scapegoat. I also believe that after he lay unconscious for several hours after the jousting accident earlier that year, darker parts of Henry VIII were awakened from brain injury, and much like we see in today’s football players with Traumatic Brain Injury, They are irritable, impulsive, angry and prone to violence. But Being the king he can just hire someone to get rid of her on trumped up charges. He was a megalomaniac; So in the end, only what he wanted mattered, no matter how much he loved her at the start. If he could’ve seen the success their daughter, (Elizabeth I from hated Wife #2) would become, I hope he would’ve eaten a big slice of humble pie!
@lunachick1313
@lunachick1313 4 жыл бұрын
Can you do a "Did Henry VIII love any of his Wives ?" If tou haven't? I love your videos!❤❤❤
@maryspangenberg4540
@maryspangenberg4540 4 жыл бұрын
Lunachick that would be AWESOME! How about that, Claire? I adore your videos! 💝
@ghidorahs1fan209
@ghidorahs1fan209 5 жыл бұрын
I absolutely agree with you. Especially as I have been in a relationship that started with so much love and ended with us wishing the other dead and doing every thing to destroy the others reputation.
@kentbrasloff3945
@kentbrasloff3945 5 жыл бұрын
This is a fun series to have stumbled across on a Sunday afternoon. Thank you Claire for delving into questions posed but rarely answered. It's interesting to me that one small point in resolving the question was completely ignored by EVERYONE. Henry was certainly infatuated. Henry wanted what Henry wanted. I certainly believe Henry came to love Anne (and that he came to sour on her too over the prospects of delivering a son); but most importantly HE CARED ABOUT HER. It seems to have been lost that Henry commanded that a French swordsman be engaged to cross the Channel to do the deed! A small detail perhaps; but let's not forget that said swordsman whispered her name and then lopped off her head (from the opposite side where there was clear access) in one (one hopes) painless stroke. A generation later Elizabeth's order to behead an anointed queen ended in six hacks of the axe before the end. I say he cared...
@annalisette5897
@annalisette5897 5 жыл бұрын
The one exculpating thought I have about Henry is that deep down he put the country first. Lack of a son and lack of a peaceful succession could have plunged the country back into warring factions such as seen in the preceding century. The Tudor claim to the throne was weak to begin with. Another interesting question to explore is when or if Henry decided he would have to replace Queen Catherine due to her age and infertility? She wasn't going to get any younger. What, if any, plans did Henry have to provide a male heir outside of his marriage beyond elevating Henry Fitzroy? Was Henry's initial attraction to Anne the thought she could provide him with a son, in or outside of marriage? If so, how would he have legitimized such a son? Would he have kept Anne as his chief mistress until the natural death of Catherine, then married Anne if she had provided sons? Did Henry love Anne? My close friend deeply loved and married a man who was horribly abusive. In counselling later, the therapist suggested to my friend that the man had loved as much as he was capable of loving. In some ways that is true for all of us, we love according to our capabilities. I think too, relationships are stronger if there is mutual need from both partners. For instance Queen Victoria depended on Prince Albert, he likewise needed her and their needs ranged from personal to business. What would Henry have needed from Anne? Sons. Companionship? Mental stimulation? Shared interests? Other than sons, how dependent would he have been on receiving anything else from his wife? I don't think the Tudor court fostered the warm domestic life sought by Victoria and Albert or Tsar Nicholas and Alexandra. It seems to me Tudor kings and queens lived fairly separate lives. I cannot imagine Henry going to Anne for comfort after a difficult day at the office. I think spontaneity would have been missing for the most part. I think Henry loved Anne as much as he was capable. I can think of many reasons why he acquiesced to her death but in my opinion there is no excuse for killing the mother of one of his children. Henry must not have been thinking. If Elizabeth continued to be considered legitimate, what would he say to her? How would the execution of her mother affect a dynastic marriage in Elizabeth's future? If she ever became queen, how could her reign be affected and therefore the welfare of the country? Though England had had some dangerous and divisive queens in the past, those were not executed. Why did Henry break with tradition and open himself to being a laughingstock on the continent? What was so horrific about Anne's continuing existence that he had to kill her? If Henry had not dissolved the monasteries and convents, would he have locked her in a convent? If Henry had not broken with Rome, what would the pope have said or done about Henry executing a wife and mother of his child? How could Henry as first head of the Church of England, therefore responsible for the souls and moral character of his people, set such a horrible example? Surely he was familiar with Jesus' words about a woman taken in adultery and casting the first stone. Perhaps Henry believed England was close to another civil war. I think Henry was raised with a stronger sense of duty than of love. Maybe he felt fear in 1536 and his sense of duty overrode his weaker tendencies for personal and domestic love. Henry had been adored all of his life, first as a son and prince and then as king. His quest for Anne and perhaps especially the religious reforms, had cost him a certain amount of adoration by his subjects. It is possible Henry's psyche needed love from his citizens more than any love a wife could give. So Henry, excusing his acts as political necessity, killed one aspect of love to regain a love that more perfectly filled his heart.
@anneboleynfiles
@anneboleynfiles 5 жыл бұрын
Just my opinion but I'm not sure with Henry that it was a case of putting his country first, I think it was more of a case of securing his dynasty. The Wars of the Roses were in living history and his father had to deal with rival claimants, so I think Henry was concerned for the future of the Tudors and for his safety too. If he didn't have a surviving son then his position was in jeopardy. He wasn't a strong king if he didn't have an heir. Just my opinion on it though.
@dianeshelton9592
@dianeshelton9592 5 жыл бұрын
The poor woman had one miscarriage. Miscarriages are incredibly common, that Anne could have gone on to produce a whole brood of male heirs is the unacknowleged fact here. One miscarriage doesn’t lead to an inability to provide a male heir.
@anneboleynfiles
@anneboleynfiles 5 жыл бұрын
@@dianeshelton9592 We don't know what happened to the baby she was carrying in 1534. She was described as having a goodly belly so either it ended in a stillbirth or it was a phantom pregnancy. Two failed pregnancies would have reminded Henry VIII of Catherine of Aragon's history and we know that after Anne's miscarriage in January 1536 that he believed she could not give him a son. Obviously Anne could well have gone on to have successful pregnancies if given the chance, but Henry took that away from her and his obsession with having an heir was a factor. He believed that his marriage to Catherine was against God's law and the evidence was their lost babies, and now history was repeatiing itself, so he thought, so there must be something wrong with that marriage too.
@dianeshelton9592
@dianeshelton9592 5 жыл бұрын
The Anne Boleyn Files and Tudor Society thanks for the reply. There is research as I am sure you are aware, to suggest that Henry was medically at fault for the string of non viable pregnancies of his sexual partners. www.rcpe.ac.uk/sites/default/files/stride_5.pdf Link above for others that may not know. I don’t believe for one moment Anne was sexually active with her brother, however I think she may have been tempted to look elsewhere for a father to get a child that was going to live even possibly to act on that. There may not have been the medical knowledge available to know that it was Henry’s fault, but the pattern was very obvious and would have been clear to see to a clever woman like Anne. So poor Anne could have produced many male children without another miscarriage, possibly not by Henry though. This doomed her, making it even more tragic because Henry was the one who was at fault.
@annalisette5897
@annalisette5897 5 жыл бұрын
@@dianeshelton9592 There is so much we do not know. The accusations against Anne, her brother and the other men, seem so fake. It feels like the horrible tragedies of May 1536 were an excuse for something else but I am not sure what. Medical knowledge of the time had a lot of beliefs we find peculiar. Maybe some of those ideas played a part...or not.
@robinlillian9471
@robinlillian9471 5 жыл бұрын
Why couldn't the ship have been BOTH a New Year's gift and an acceptance? Giving it at a time that gifts were expected would have been a way to avoid gossip.
@anneboleynfiles
@anneboleynfiles 5 жыл бұрын
Yes, that's what Starkey means, that she used the traditional New Year's gift as an acceptance of his proposal.
@carameldare
@carameldare 5 жыл бұрын
I wrote my thesis on new year's gift giving in the court of E1. The tradition very much included highly symbolic gifts from those close to the monarch or in trouble with the monarch. (While for those who didn't fall into those categories tended to treat the tradition much like tax season lol.)
@imperiumlupi1584
@imperiumlupi1584 4 жыл бұрын
Love the video, and the immaculate Redwall collection.
@makinapacal
@makinapacal 4 жыл бұрын
A historical video about Henry VIII and Ann Boleyn complete with relationship advice! Thumbs up!!
@Marielita426
@Marielita426 5 жыл бұрын
He was simply in lust and obsessed over someone he couldn’t have. Saying “no” to a man that has only heard “yes” his entire life will drive him mad. And mad people do what he did, execute a woman he supposedly loved.
@redlipsblacklace3373
@redlipsblacklace3373 5 жыл бұрын
My Lord I wish I could see the look on henrys face if he lived in are time if just for 15 min, to find out male briths come from the fathers side not mom's ! So you no how many women died because of this ?
@frewofstew6304
@frewofstew6304 4 жыл бұрын
I don't know why they couldn't have figured it out earlier. I mean if you plant a sunflower seed...you wouldn't expect violets. Only difficulty was knowing if the seed was male or female. But, there's no doubt where the seed comes from.
@amandakirkpatrick8083
@amandakirkpatrick8083 4 жыл бұрын
redlips blacklace I’ve thought about this so many times.
@montrelouisebohon-harris7023
@montrelouisebohon-harris7023 4 жыл бұрын
Yeess! He was the one that produced all the female sperms
@frightbat208
@frightbat208 4 жыл бұрын
I would have liked to have seen his response to being charged with sexual harassment. 😂🤣😂
@jeanatwood1421
@jeanatwood1421 4 жыл бұрын
LOL
@ninalily
@ninalily Жыл бұрын
I always love coming back to watch this video❤
@RelivingHistory1
@RelivingHistory1 9 ай бұрын
Same,, thanks to this channel, ive started uploading videos about the Tudors myself!
@santarodriguez4646
@santarodriguez4646 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your explanation.
@mizfrenchtwist
@mizfrenchtwist 5 жыл бұрын
by the way , i really enjoyed this more lengthy presentation...........i could not wait , til the end to write my opinion..........until next time.........
@mizfrenchtwist
@mizfrenchtwist 5 жыл бұрын
I think he was certainly " smitten '' with her but loved her ......no . she was sophisticated , she had style , she looked different , her coloring , build , etc. and she was an intellectual match for him ( maybe smarter ) . all of that , along with the fact , that she wasn't readily obtainable , something he was unaccustomed to . if he truly loved her , I doubt that , he would have so willingly , went along with the calumnies , she was accused of . however , i think , he would have loved her , had she given him a son .......................i think , he truly loved jean Seymour.............
@aryiastark4698
@aryiastark4698 5 жыл бұрын
He didnt love jane seymore either he was irritated with her before she got pregnant. The only person i think Henry loved was himself.
@mizfrenchtwist
@mizfrenchtwist 5 жыл бұрын
@@aryiastark4698 ...........well , i differ on that..........jane seymour , is the one , he chose to be buried beside .............
@reneenayfabnaynay5679
@reneenayfabnaynay5679 5 жыл бұрын
@@mizfrenchtwist he chose to be buried beside Jane, because she was the mother of his only legitimate son. Had little Edward been a girl, and Jane died giving birth to her, like she did birthing Edward, Henry would've probably chosen to be buried alone! Lol!
@aryiastark4698
@aryiastark4698 5 жыл бұрын
@@mizfrenchtwist jane seymore gave Henry the son he wanted!!! Anne Bolyne gave Henry a queen with a heart of a king Elizabeth. Makes me sad a bit though cause Henrys son likely would have been a great king as well. Dont want to get started on his bitter murdering daughter Mary! Though i do feel very sad for the life Mary Tudor had.
@mizfrenchtwist
@mizfrenchtwist 5 жыл бұрын
@@reneenayfabnaynay5679....i think the fact , that she DID give him his hearts desire , made him love her...........i think his " loving his wives " was reserved / contingent , upon them giving him a son . anne , could not close the deal ............
@jessicamoores181
@jessicamoores181 5 жыл бұрын
Very Nice, Claire!!! Your a Sheer Pleasure to watch. Thank You and Gods Speed 👍
@kimperkins9671
@kimperkins9671 5 жыл бұрын
Absolutely fascinating! From Houston, Texas, U.S.A.! Thank you!
@VCYT
@VCYT 5 жыл бұрын
FYI - modern historians say his head accident completely changed his personality as was serious. Brain scientists confirm this as it happens today.
@foxglove7755
@foxglove7755 5 жыл бұрын
I agree. That jousting fall that had him comatose for a significant time suggests what we would call today a closed head injury, resulting in impulsively, anger, poor judgment and reduced self control.
@el5406
@el5406 5 жыл бұрын
That source that said he was out for two hours came from Rome. The sources from England say it wasn't that serious. Claire (woman in video) said so herself.
@el5406
@el5406 5 жыл бұрын
Also, he was always a bloody murder. He executed many people. Including those two monls that he had tortured to death because they didn't want to declare Mary illegitimate.
@VCYT
@VCYT 5 жыл бұрын
@@el5406 , I trust scientists more.
@VCYT
@VCYT 5 жыл бұрын
@@el5406 , Tony Blair etc did more harm than any king to the UK.
@Morrigan71
@Morrigan71 5 жыл бұрын
I'm sure he thought it was love, but it was really a toxic obsession he had for Anne -- just like those crimes of passion you're describing. These types of relationships are signs of someone who is either very emotionally immature, or mentally unstable, which, when you look at how abominably Henry treated everyone in his life, it's pretty evident he was the latter. Even in his own time, his behavior was shocking to the other monarchs of Europe. Anne may have grown to love him, but I don't know many women who could put off sleeping with a man they were in love with for seven years. That seems a saintly amount of willpower. And I've seen Anne called a lot of things, but that certainly wasn't one of them. I think she fell in love with the power and status.
@kathrynhenry1752
@kathrynhenry1752 4 жыл бұрын
Fabulous video, Claire
@maleahlock
@maleahlock 4 жыл бұрын
EEEUUULLLAAALLLLIIIIAAAA!!!!! Really enjoying your bookshelf :-D Also, I believe that Henry's version of love towards others was a possessive and self gratifying love because he saw himself, and believed others saw him, as the most valued and deserving of love. He saw his love for others through how much he thought they could love him. When he realised they were had a person hood outside of his desires and were not merely seraphs ever to praise him, in self gratification, he would kill them.
@princetonburchill6130
@princetonburchill6130 4 жыл бұрын
Ann was Henry's midlife crisis. An experience common to men who marry young and grow into middle age with the same partner. Is it love? Is it passion born out of a sudden lust-filled change of life's direction? I think it is both. Add to this the dire necessity of a king like Henry having to produce a legitimate male heir must have driven him under considerable stress to the edge of despair trying to resolve these two hopeless dilemmas. Historians tend to overlook the emotional nature of Henry's character, a personality, driven by romanticism and the desire to keep everybody happy, which was impossible of course. Like a cornered animal he had to come out fighting mad or go under. He made a start by kicking the pope out of England, sacking all the monasteries and thereby risking war; divorcing his brother's wife, marrying his mistress and crowning her queen. There is no doubt in my mind that Ann Boleyn changed the course of world history!
@mcbrineart
@mcbrineart 5 жыл бұрын
Also, wasn't it Chapuys who said that Anne had miscarried of her saviour? I think if any of his wives had given him the longed for son, their position would have been secure.
@jimsmith3073
@jimsmith3073 5 жыл бұрын
Laurel McBrine Art . Thomas Cranmer,is reputed to have said these uncanny words.Anne's confident to the end.
@ciarabrown1412
@ciarabrown1412 5 жыл бұрын
No she is right, it was chapuys, if you listen to history of England podcast David crowther, he quotes the exact letter
@eresonation
@eresonation 4 жыл бұрын
This was great and thought provoking.
@tonyalogan5095
@tonyalogan5095 5 жыл бұрын
I loved this video!!! I believed he still had love for Anne because he hired the expert swordsman to shorten any suffering. Along with his advisers pressure I think his declining health and increasing pain played a part in his descision. Thank you for giving me daily Tudor history!
@AshleyLebedev
@AshleyLebedev 5 жыл бұрын
Claire, this is a wonderful video, thanks so much for the well thought out / researched commentary. I think there’s no doubt he loved her, however he loved. He just pursued her way too long to have it be lustful. He could have anyone and probably more “beautiful” - he just risked too much. I think Henry also greatly loved Katherine. He just seemed to have such a skill for falling out and turning off, being very changeable, running and being tyrannical with whatever he wanted.
@AliceMarieM
@AliceMarieM 5 жыл бұрын
thanks for the tip about George Wyatt, I was able to read digitized excerpts of his book courtesy of the Library of Congress. According to Wyatt no one was persecuted for religion's sake during Ann's 3 year reign. Is that true? Because if that is, it is a major achievement.
@jobes4525
@jobes4525 5 жыл бұрын
Phew! Difficult to say, but I would like to think that he loved her. There was so much game playing back then, with romanticism and I think we sometimes forget that these were real people that once lived, breathed and walked this earth like we do and we can't conclude everything from history books and theories. We have to somehow find a connective value that will enable us to understand their thoughts. We can only do that by modifying information we accrue from ourselves. Thank you Claire, you've given my childhood heroine a secure place in modern day studies.
@MrGloryglorymanutd18
@MrGloryglorymanutd18 3 жыл бұрын
I love your videos.
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