Did Ichigo need to use The Final Getsuga Tenshou? What do you think? Let me know!
@cardinalmcqueen74004 жыл бұрын
Awesome video but where is the Jugram Haschwalth video
@cardinalmcqueen74004 жыл бұрын
I think he did considering he didn’t have his true sword at the time
@ShikiRyougi054 жыл бұрын
In my oppinion...no! I think that he was incredibly powerful (i think even stronger than true shikai)
@ShikiRyougi054 жыл бұрын
Aizen wouldve probably become stronger than Dangai the longer the fight went on but ichigo couldve completely Destroyed him at the beginning of the fight!
@kwanyy4 жыл бұрын
I think he had to in order to weaken Aizen so that Kisuke’s sealing kido could kick in
@kyle0131004 жыл бұрын
I would have loved to see him use a normal getsuga tenshou before transforming into his final getsuga to see how powerful it was
@Shaphi8684 жыл бұрын
Ikr!
@rebellionty4 жыл бұрын
He cant. Aizen explains that he traded all his reiatsu for physical strength.
@naraydaniels78324 жыл бұрын
@@rebellionty he said that because he couldnt sense ichogo's reiatsu
@rebellionty4 жыл бұрын
@@naraydaniels7832 even when he used mugetsu aizen states that he still cant sense anything. Im not sure if that means its not an attack consisting of reiatsu or something else but thats what i took from it. But my question is why would aizen not be able to sense ichigos reiatsu?
@mgustafson20104 жыл бұрын
I think he's not entirely wrong tho. Even byakuya thought tense zangetsu's true power was to just buff ichigo's vase stats. I undersstsnd theres a lot of pride from aizen and he wasn't able to sense his reitsu but it kinda makes sense he wouldn't be able to use getsuga.
@juhblaze4 жыл бұрын
Seeing as Aizen is STILL alive, i would think holding back wouldnt make sense.
@Romulus_and_Remus4 жыл бұрын
Aizen is immortal so... He can't die
@juhblaze4 жыл бұрын
@@Romulus_and_Remus ...Being STILL alive should imply immortality so...all the more reason for Ichigo not to hold back.
@Romulus_and_Remus4 жыл бұрын
@@juhblaze being still alive implys that he's not dead not immortality but I get what you were trying to say my bad
@GSRl0gic4 жыл бұрын
Hougokyou is hax bro
@GSRl0gic4 жыл бұрын
@@juhblaze that makes no sense. It would be more reasonable to attempt to contain him.
@Almighty_cornholio4 жыл бұрын
I always figured he used it because if he didn't aizen would've eventually grown stronger than ichigo and by using the fgt he stopped aizen while he still could
@chrischimera4 жыл бұрын
Pretty much my same thought, he saw him getting stronger to the point where Aizen kind of damaged him. Ichigo didn't pull a Vegeta and let someone power up to their final form and get smashed on.
@syazwanmustapah28264 жыл бұрын
Kubo didn't do a good job there because the dialogue, Ichigo's expression didn't sell that Ichigo knows, feel Aizen is getting stronger. Ichigo maintained his cool the whole fight for the sake of looking badass. Right now we are going to conclusion that Ichigo did that because he needs to, and very much it is true. But Kubo didn't convey it properly, because if a casual Bleach reader, or anime viewer see that scene, they can't see Ichigo as the losing side. Kubo should have added Ichigo thinking to himself, admitting he felt Aizen getting stronger, instead of having Ichigo maintaining his cool with "You're boring, I'm ending this now"
@zeroskaterz924 жыл бұрын
@@syazwanmustapah2826 Ichigo pretty much conveyed his thoughts to Urahara after Aizen was sealed. What are you on about? Nowhere in that scene where Ichigo thought that "You're boring, I'm ending this now" bullshit. Sounds like you don't understand Ichigo at all.
@polygon27454 жыл бұрын
@u wot M8?! Ichigo wasn't even aware of his quincy powers yet, as they didn't even awaken until he came into contact with Quilge. The Hogyoku would have eventually evolved Aizen to the point where he was stronger than Ichigo. In his "demon" form he was already strong enough to injure Ichigo, so that already shows how amped the Hogyoku can make him.
@GoldenCrow5594 жыл бұрын
@u wot M8?! Ichigo's method of using his reiatsu with a full powered attack IS mugetsu. Anything else would do no substantial damage as aizen would have regened even faster
@marccrookedarm50204 жыл бұрын
He literally showed up to fight Aizen on 70% battery. He was probably in the garganta like “eff it this’ll probably be good enough”
@kana226934 жыл бұрын
Pretty much, once Aizen burned Ichigo's arm with that nuke I'm guessing Ichigo must've realized that he was one or two evolutions away from being able to tank mugetsu.
@marccrookedarm50204 жыл бұрын
Edward Armstrong literally took a mountain range explosion for him to be like “ok maybe this is a little bad”
@HyuchaKyrie4 жыл бұрын
@@kana22693 he tanked mugetsu in that form.....
@armed3dangerous2704 жыл бұрын
Eduardo Soares hes immortal it has nothing to do with the form
@lorddukfoxyzeppeli79213 жыл бұрын
no He could have defeated him without it saved it for the later arc
@dpslfg4 жыл бұрын
"Butterfl-Aizen", if you will.
@aizensosuke9654 жыл бұрын
Butterflyzen? Flyzen?
@SeanNg__n4 жыл бұрын
@@aizensosuke965 yo Aizen
@hamzadounel38404 жыл бұрын
We call it flyzen
@jpeck874 жыл бұрын
Sounds like a Pokémon
@johnathonlee70533 жыл бұрын
@@jpeck87 Flygon’s alternative evolution line lol
@XrisKatsaros4 жыл бұрын
I think this question is fundamentally wrong in how it understands Ichigo’s power in this arc. My interpretation was that Aizen basically had it correct: the power Ichigo gained when he came out of the Dangai had something to do with “throwing away” his potential and trading it for a power-up. The power Ichigo gained that allowed him to fight and at some points even surpass Aizen was a prerequisite for using Mugetsu. Put simply, Ichigo was already “using” Mugetsu from the moment he appeared out of the Dangai, that is where the power up came from. Ichigo actually using the technique to damage Aizen at the climax of the fight was just the moment where he released Mugetsu, after which the technique was used up and his powers were gone. Ichigo says that the Saigo no Getsuga Tenshō is him becoming Getsuga, and I would argue that is apparent in his appearance even before the final attack: the fact that the Zanpakutō merged with his hand. And honestly this makes more sense than Ichigo just needing a couple of months of training to go blow-for-blow with not base-Aizen (who was already ridiculously strong even compared to most of the other captains) but Aizen merged with the Hōgyoku. Ichigo had already sacrificed his Shinigami powers before he appeared back in Karakura Town, and I would assume (because it would be a silly technicality otherwise) that even if he never released Mugetsu, at some point his “time” in that form would have been up and the same result would have happened... I just want to say that I love the content you have been making on this channel. I’ve been a big fan of Bleach from the beginning and I love finding creators who are just as interested in the world Kubo created!
@adebayoadesupo39314 жыл бұрын
you're literally the only person that has thought of it the same way i have
@nigruto98724 жыл бұрын
This makes a lot more sense
@manporo58654 жыл бұрын
I always wondered how Aizen didn't know Ichigo was of Quincy blood, this was something that always made me think that this arc and the 1000 year war are completely disconnected in Kubo's mind. This is especially seen in how Ichigo gains his powers, showing that Kubo always had the intention of making Ichigo a Quincy, but his direction with Aizen, and by consequence, the Hogyoku incomplete. Also, would this mean in a way that quincy powers could disrupt the connection with the Hoguoku.
@krypto0514 жыл бұрын
Yeah he probably would have used up all his , given that now immense , spiritual energy. Sure, he was so strong that even Aizen couldn't sense it, but I'm sure that the Final Getsuga eats up way more of energy than the normal Bankai form. So eventually his reserves would have ran out, even faster if Aizen keeps damaging him.
@Grave2644 жыл бұрын
Aizen did know ichigo was a Quincy. Right before issen joins the fight aizen goes to tell ichigo and issen attacks him and says shut your mouth.
@kwanyy4 жыл бұрын
I think Mugetsu was used to slow down Aizen’s evolution for Kisuke to seal him. Dangai Ichigo was stronger than Aizen somewhat, but Aizen would have evolved eventually so Mugetsu would have to be used at some point.
@o6fade8004 жыл бұрын
You don’t have to say “I think”, kisuka said it
@Fireman24TO4 жыл бұрын
That's what happened.
@tarkursmh40664 жыл бұрын
Ichigo didnt even know about the seal
@Fireman24TO4 жыл бұрын
@@tarkursmh4066 that's the point, he weakened Aizen to the point that the Hogyouku didn't regonize Azien and for that reason the seal was able to work.
@tarkursmh40664 жыл бұрын
@@Fireman24TO i got your point' but its not that the hougyoku didnt regonize aizen trully the hyougyoku is understand aizen true desires
@Blah2000Blah4 жыл бұрын
Ichigo said he finally was able to feel Aizen's sword when he could finally fight Aizen as an equal, so I assume Aizen was getting closer and closer to his level of power. Ichigo was trying to do enough damage to overwhelm Aizen's regeneration.
@ejfunny4 жыл бұрын
Yeah he said aizen was actually mad sad and lonely
@Fireman24TO4 жыл бұрын
I don't think so. They weren't equal at all. Ichigo surpassed him. Ichigo felt him through his at that moment because Aizen was looking for anyone to beat him. That's why he groomed Ichigo because he knew his potential.
@JamesJones-mt9co4 жыл бұрын
Ichigo said that he could sense Aizen spiritual pressure when his father and his teachers were beginning to lose and that is right before ichigo's two teachers are knocked out and the only one left to help each ago is his father Ichigo says to his father we can not go up against that level of spiritual pressure that heavily implied that Walt Aizen was on his second transformation eat your goal was already on that level of power which means him going into this stupid ass transformation was a waste of time because people forget in Bleach the stronger you are your zanpakuto Tsar three five times or 10 times more powerful than you
@Blah2000Blah4 жыл бұрын
@@JamesJones-mt9co Ichigo only had the potential to catch up to Aizen at first. That's why his father decided to have him learn the Final Getsuga - it uses all of your potential power in one attack. When Ichigo came out of the Dangai he was at level where Aizen couldn't sense his reiatsu or hurt him, but after Aizen did his 4th evolution he was able to injure Ichigo (though provably not as seriously as he claims). Aizen was becoming closer and closer to Ichigo so Ichigo did the smart thing and tried to end the fight.
@Fireman24TO4 жыл бұрын
@@Blah2000Blah yeah, but even Isshin was using his powers as a soul reaper when Ichigo first became one with Rukia. That's because Isshin had lost his powers, and ended up gaining it back. It makes sense, because Aizen really knows Ichigo's potential. Aizen states that he knew Ichigo from the beginning. Which also means he knows his family quite well. If that's the case then you have to think Aizen factored in the fact that not only is Ichigo a half soul reaper, but Isshin pushed himsekf with engestu to obtain another level of power, which in turn he could teach Ichigo later. When Aizen gets to the the world of the living he even says Ichigo will be here soon and I have no doubt in my mind that he obtain some new power.
@taa3474 жыл бұрын
Pretty sure it was necessary. Ichigo was leagues above Aizen when the fight started, but even if he had bisected him then and there, the Hougyoku would've just kept him alive. By the time he used Mugetsu, Aizen had transformed to such a state that he was able to seriously damage Ichigo's left arm and this is a jump from him being able to stop his sword with the same arm. Hell, Mugetsu wasn't even enough to win the fight. It weakned Aizen and slowed him to the point he could be sealed. Aizen literally was just about to achieve the final zanpakuto state and would've been nigh unstoppable. The guy is immortal and will constantly evolve to be stronger and stronger. By the TYBW arc, he's pretty much unstoppable and all he's done is sit in a chair. Imagine what he could've been if he kept evolving because Ichigo was too worried about losing his power to use Mugetsu
@lobopumpchainsavage4 жыл бұрын
Well said
@alispeed50954 жыл бұрын
@@lobopumpchainsavage Well said people forget this fact, even after mugetsu Aizen was in yet another evolution unlocking the final state of his zampaktou. lf uraharas' kido wasnt there, ichigo was dead meat. But anyway from what l know about the hogyouku it follows the users will and works to aid them achieve what they desire, maybe aizens defeat was like that of Gremmy, he simply wanted to lose deep down and the hogyouku let it happen coz we know it couldve kept pushing him uraharas kido or not given that it kept him alive (made him whole again) when Juha killed him as well as constantly pumping him with power as he sat down imprisoned
@aizensosuke9654 жыл бұрын
@@alispeed5095 People who think Ichigo won are in denial
@windie77184 жыл бұрын
Actually throughout the fight we see aizen lose his mental fortitude; he transitions from a cool, calm collected dude that sits in his chair and terrifies everyone without needing to say or do anything, to the maniacal butterfly hollow that just continuously claims he’s the strongest even while getting his ass grassed. He’s so far gone that he tries taking credit for ichigo’s mountain crushing.. Whether he was about to evolve into any kind of god or final zanpakto state is really an unknown bc he was sealed and completely off his rocker (do we think the hogiokou’s power ate away at his mind or is he just power crazed?).. by someone that couldn’t even fathom his power 4 chapters prior..(urahara is not to be trifled with tho let’s be real). While I do wish the fight had been more than getting bitch slapped a few time=>mugetsu=>sealing aizen I don’t think he had a chance against ichigo who could effectively feel gauge and entirely hault his growth
@ascend1114 жыл бұрын
for real aizen is a fucking monster
@msgsgt Жыл бұрын
Ichigo says his spiritual pressure is reflected in how much of his clothes is destroyed. So Aizen really did damage him a bit.
@Googaliemoogalie Жыл бұрын
I think I remember this, where does he say this again?
@eragonshadeslayer514 Жыл бұрын
@@Googaliemoogalie unohana says it while guiding him to the fake karakura town
@35327290 Жыл бұрын
@@eragonshadeslayer514 actually Ichigo says that to unohana
@cian229310 ай бұрын
i'm not sure that's entirely accurate as when he appears from the dangai his clothes are already ripped
@DeeProphet244 жыл бұрын
Dude I TALKED ABOUT THIS FOR AN HOUR ON STREAM! He was Leagues above Aizen in strength but i think he used it so Aizen didnt evolve anymore is really all i can say. great content fam
@bearwitty96904 жыл бұрын
Me: Final Getsuga Tenshou English(auto generated): Funnel get to attention. Me: No. English(auto generated): Final get to potential. Me: What? English(auto generated): Final gets his head show Me: I give up..
@mickieramirez58074 жыл бұрын
Lmao
@thefiveo3444 жыл бұрын
Lame
@treaon5114 жыл бұрын
The five ‘O’ It’s always the ppl with an Letter in there pfp to criticize 😂
@jaythegamer00934 жыл бұрын
Lol "The fight against potential"
@lorddukfoxyzeppeli79213 жыл бұрын
no He could have defeated him without it saved it for the later arc
@animefan774 жыл бұрын
The simple explanation is that the power scale was getting out of control so Kubo did a high enough scale to defeat the bad guy in order to set things back to zero, otherwise it lead to DBZ/DBS levels with galactic/universal/multiversal/infinite dimensional level threats, which would be harder to justify how the heroes could reach that level, even with training. Things did eventually reach similar levels as the final Aizen fight, but not to the extent that no one could sense the strongest warriors' Spiritual Pressures anymore.
@ShikiRyougi054 жыл бұрын
Yup probably
@cameronjones90924 жыл бұрын
Yeah cuz replacing it with multiversal time manipulation allows for more logical power scaling
@atpr32414 жыл бұрын
Bruh Ywach literally broke the scale. Ichigo and Aizen were also in ridiculous tiers final arc. Ywach just made everything obsolete
@nikolaj974 жыл бұрын
@@cameronjones9092 Ye, yhwach is one of the examples when the enemy gets so powerful that u need an asspull to defeat them
@rolan4dezwinz3814 жыл бұрын
I think you dropped this; here is your tin foil hat.
@dweller1324 жыл бұрын
I feel like all those points are agreeable, but I want to bring up the fact the Hogyoku is known to have a will of its own and be subservient to those with enough power to control it. It's probably not a concrete theory, but I believe the Hogyoku resisted Aizen after he was struck with Mugetsu. Even though it was melded to Aizen, Kisuke mentions that it no longer serves him and has abandoned him, which makes sense if you consider Aizen was unable to regenerate Kyoka Suigetsu or resist the seal. Going even further, I believe that since Ichigo had been leagues above Aizen for pretty much the whole fight, the Hogyoku saw Ichigo more worthy and granted what it could to its new master: a way to stop Aizen. And part of this goes back to something Aizen said about the Hogyoku, that it responds to the desires of those around it and gives them what they want. Rukia no longer wanted to be a Soul Reaper, Ichigo wanted to protect his family, Orihime wanted to be able to defend herself, Chad wanted to protect others, etc. And what Ichigo had wanted while fighting Aizen was to stop him, and the Hogyoku responded by stripping Aizen of all the power he'd had in that fight.
@hehehe.....4 жыл бұрын
If that is the case then after aizen used fragorator the hogyoku wouldve started weakening aizen in favor of ichigo
@dweller1324 жыл бұрын
@@hehehe..... It's possible, even if there's no real indication of it happening then. I think Mugetsu was the point where the Hogyoku went "Fuck this, you win" and made Aizen lose.
@punk79994 жыл бұрын
But, this point is further thinned down in the TYBW arc. It was obviously hinted that the hogyoku never rejected Aizen-sama. The hogyoku had perfectly melded with Aizen's very own form and existence to the point that he simply keeps getting powerful even while being sealed in the muken. I think this all boils down to what Aizen said to ichigo during their battle. It was all a momentary weakness, really. It's somewhat ironic if you think about it.
@艾可4 жыл бұрын
@@dweller132 kisuke was wrong. If it rejected him then it would never make aizen stronger in muken.
@fg009letyrds82 жыл бұрын
Kisuke was wrong, TYBW arc Aizen and Narita LN confirms that Aizen's still perfectly fused with Hogyouku and is the reason why he became so powerful he's able to stall Soul King Yhwach when he was just sitting in a chair fpr more than a Year. So with those evidence in hand, we can safely say getting hit by FGT weakened Aizen temporarily.
@Alekranidos094 жыл бұрын
I think it was necessary that Ichigo lose his powers to move the story forward without it getting ridiculous. Because if he hadn't, he would have been too op from the start for any need of help from Ginjo. It was very compelling to see his struggle in the final arc of the anime and the confrontation with the fullbringers. Could it have been done differently? For sure. Maybe stretch the fight out a little more. Specially after the first part in which Ichigo stomps Aizen. Once Aizen is in his beast mode, they could fight more on par to make it more interesting and to force Ichigo into using his final getsuga tensho aka Mugetsu. He maybe didn't need to use that if he could have pushed Aizen to the edge with normal getsugas enough for the seal to activate, but then he wouldn't have lost his powers... It was cool and I found it a satisfying way of finishing things. Though all things said, I find it a bit iffy all the 'on a different dimension' stuff specially as it's not referenced again and everyone is much stronger later on without transcending... I don't know haha I love bleach in spite of all its flaws
@marcuswilliams29104 жыл бұрын
This is the exact thought I have, there's no way in hell to get a satisfying opponent for Ichigo after this until Yhwach. His Dangai form is to OP for anyone else. Aizen was the monster with a Shikai before he transformed 4 times so what's next. I'm not sure if it was necessary in the fight b/c at no time does Aizen say I can finally sense his SP which seems like they're still worlds away power wise & Ichigo easily pushed him back after he grabs his throat.
@csq78714 жыл бұрын
This particular fight between aizen/ichigo let's say the characters were 10x more powerful than normal. Afterwards let's say they are only 5x more powerful
@DanielDkD2K14 жыл бұрын
I think Ichigo had to use the Mugestu as early as possible as the Hogyoku would probably let Aizen evolve further as they continued to fight. Even if Ichigo continued to stomp him, it wouldn't matter till he could push Aizen to his limit and let the Seal on him Activate. That's my assumption
@devilsfate744 жыл бұрын
@@DanielDkD2K1 yeah I agree. Hogyoku materialize ones desires untill the wielder is capable of weilding the materialized powers. If ichigo used mugetsu earlier then the entire outcome of battle could have been changed.
@Delimon0073 жыл бұрын
sounds like a plot hole to me nd terrible story writing
@kushagrasharma54024 жыл бұрын
Mugetsu wasnt a "FORM" it was more like THE ATTACK that is almost impossible to dodge and as you said if he hadn't used it Aizen would have Surpassed Dangai which he did.
@JustDion164 жыл бұрын
Kisuke would be like "Portable gigai go!"
@kushagrasharma54024 жыл бұрын
@@JustDion16 😂😂😂 the man is insane.
@kushagrasharma54024 жыл бұрын
@Lion Star Final you think about it Aizen at this stage was able to "Teleport" as the DATABOOKS say and he couldnt dodge it.
@NiaTheMilkTank4 жыл бұрын
@@kushagrasharma5402 also to note it was an *Instant* teleport.
@kushagrasharma54024 жыл бұрын
@@NiaTheMilkTank yup
@We_Are_I_Am4 жыл бұрын
After Aizen transformed again against Ichigo, his strongest attack barely burned Ichigo's arm, and Aizen STILL couldn't even begin to sense Ichigo's spirit pressure. Ichigo was implied to have reached an even higher dimension of existence than Aizen, so he would be able to bisect Aizen easily even without the Final Getsuga Tenshou. That being said, I think it required the Final Getsuga Tenshou to weaken Aizen enough that the Hogyoku would reject him.
@simpgod21704 жыл бұрын
But it destroyed some of his shirt, and his shirt indicates how much power he had lunch left, so if he didn't use mugetsu, aizen might've won
@We_Are_I_Am4 жыл бұрын
While Fragor did destroy like 25% of Ichigo's Shihakusho, keep in mind that Ichigo not only didn't even bother to dodge, nor even defend himself properly (unless raising his arm "half-assed-ly" counts as defending himself), but he also didn't even have the slightest interest or expression when tanking the attack, and even after casually tanking it, he still let Aizen grab him by the neck and allow a futile strangulation attempt. Don't forget afterward, Ichigo still casually brushed off Aizen with ease, and still didn't express ANY interest, stress, worry, or emotion in the fight, and was still breathing completely calmly. In fact, another thing which kind of contradicts the information that tears of his clothes indicate battle fatigue, is that after Ichigo used Final Getsuga Tensho and started losing his powers, he still had the same amount of Shihakusho left! So then if his clothes actually represented his remaining power, he shouldn't have a Shihakusho at all! So I have no reason to believe Ichigo wouldn't have stomped Aizen as hard as Saitama did with Awakened Garou, without using Final Getsuga Tensho, but the fight would probably never end unless Ichigo weakened Aizen enough for the Hogyoku to reject him and allow Kisuke's Kido to activate.
@dinosaur88254 жыл бұрын
Did you watch/read the fight? Dangai Ichigo was beating aizen around but nowhere was he close to bisecting Aizen easily. If that was the case, Ichigo wouldn't have needed to use Mugetsu nor would Urahara need to plant a seal within Aizen before the fight happened. Which implies that Urahara knew killing Aizen was an impossibility.
@We_Are_I_Am4 жыл бұрын
I never said that Ichigo could kill Aizen (especially since it was shown already that Aizen was immortal). Ichigo never even attempted to use a regular Getsuga Tensho during their battle, and there was nothing to indicate he was putting any effort in the fight up until he went straight to Final Getsuga Tensho: Mugetsu. Thus, in my opinion, I still think Ichigo at that point could have bisected Aizen easily, but that doesn't mean he can kill Aizen; Aizen regenerated from the Final Getsuga Tensho, anything less would only be easier to regenerate himself from.
@lobopumpchainsavage4 жыл бұрын
@@dinosaur8825 pretty much y it's the best arc in the series even when they do animate the last the aranccars hollows all leading up to this the captains all of it this makes sense while ichigo would have beatin aizen he woulda just kept evolving so and causing proble.s because no one would be able to kill him at that point he was like a hollow god since he had master the powers of the hollows and shares a big resemblence to the soul king since we all know the real hollow king was really easy to beat
@motazlabidi26234 жыл бұрын
I started watching bleach 1 month ago Now i have finished it i keep watching u
@samuelmaingi63654 жыл бұрын
Quick note! Bleach anime is coming back in 2021 and will cover the biggest and most important arc of Bleach in the manga thats called The Thousand Year Blood War Arc. ALSO there is a one shot manga called Burn The Witch which shows the U.K branch of the Soul Society😏 definately worth a read! btw a one-shot is usually like the "sales pitch manga chapter" that authors submit to publishers like Shounen Jump
@storageunit26834 жыл бұрын
Keep watching and READ the manga. I started to enjoy the manga more than the anime due to the gore fest that is bleach manga and the art style is amazing
@aizensosuke9654 жыл бұрын
good
@Gpoeit4 жыл бұрын
For all the people talking about how ichigo would just flex on aizen remember aizen made ichigo stronger as a test
@HyuchaKyrie4 жыл бұрын
and never used bankai, and never used kyoka suigetsu and actually ordered the hogyoku to lvl him down when he realized ichigo had no more power
@rayvonvelez31294 жыл бұрын
Imagine if Kubo just kept going with the fullbring stuff and ichigo never got his shinigami powers back. Also if ichigo found his hidden quincy powers against ginjo instead of getting soul reapers powers back.
@AmeerBANKAI4 жыл бұрын
nice plot change
@The_Cholosseum4 жыл бұрын
Nice, but why would his dormant Quincy powers surface if his other powers were being triggered to emerge? Obviously you didn't comprehend what Yhwach said to Ichigo.
@yuzuki23854 жыл бұрын
Me: why not both, I haven't caught up in the manga yet but why not both?
@The_Cholosseum4 жыл бұрын
@@yuzuki2385 Cause that logic won't work here. Ichigo's natural ability is lantent powers that are deeply asleep in him. His powers awaken and become more powerful the more he engages with things that are similar to his own. Only Soul reaper powers can awaken his own... only Quincy powers can awaken his own. His Hollow powers are fused and became one with his soul reaper powers so I don't have to say if he engages with a hollow, his hollow powers awaken.
@janvincentavila50084 жыл бұрын
@@The_Cholosseum not really. Zangetsu already used blut against zaraki(although maybe Kubo hasn't thought of this at that time) in the soul society arc. Most of the time, ichigo was using his quincy power(blue reiatsu) that imitates the techniques of his real zanpakuto given that his true shinigami powers is fused with the hollow thus should have a red and black color. Also you can say that all of his powers are being used simultaneously because a shinigami can't use a zanpakuto without an asauchi.
@michaelmoon6224 жыл бұрын
I’ve been wondering where you’re getting these awesome colored pages of the manga?
@dylannoah85124 жыл бұрын
He's using panels from the official coloring of the manga. You can search for it online.
@OkRoomer123-4 жыл бұрын
Aizen secretly wanted to be defeated so I would say yes
@francescolombardi34384 жыл бұрын
kinky
@ezg84484 жыл бұрын
Or mind-blower
@swavy6534 жыл бұрын
Why
@hyoxxii4 жыл бұрын
WAVIS he literally allows ichigo to train lmao
@swavy6534 жыл бұрын
Maison oh yea thats true🤣
@greyworld62424 жыл бұрын
Aizen’s power was going to keep on growing to the point it would’ve surpassed the final getsuga and mugetsu, his power stopped growing, the hogyoku rejected him and he got sealed.
@Harry-tr6qr4 жыл бұрын
The hogyoku didn't reject him, ichigo hypothesized that aizen was feeling alone because he was just too strong. He finally found a worthy opponent (ichigo) but when ichigo lost his powers his heart was satisfied so he lost his powers too. Aizen was just to rational and he never understood his real desire but the hogyoku works based on the owner desires. Probably he finally understood himself in muken and that's why he got stronger in tybw, he never showed even intention to get revenge on ichigo after that.
@logandelaharpe63624 жыл бұрын
Hogyoku did abandon him it shown in the juha fight at no point did he regen or evolve
@Harry-tr6qr4 жыл бұрын
@@logandelaharpe6362 it's confirmed on the novels that aizen has still the hogyoku, urahara himself stated that tybw aizen is far stronger than the one who fought ichigo. Even without incantation aizen used a kurohitsugi in tybw that was stronger than the one who used against ichigo, even others confirmed that, shunsui literally shitted his pants when he understood that je was about to use kurohitsugi and shout to all shinigami to escape immediately, all people were shocked. He has still regeneration ability because against yhwach he lost an arm but in the final chapter he's arm is restored. That fight of aizen vs yhwach happened just too fast to let him evolve, even yhwach knew that and that's why he tried to break immediately kyokasuigetsu. He feared both ichigo and aizen and that's why he at first asked him to join the sternritters, same with ichigo: he wanted both of them as his allies and not enemies.
@tarkursmh40664 жыл бұрын
@@logandelaharpe6362 its because juha as his opponent so.....
@tarkursmh40664 жыл бұрын
@@Harry-tr6qr indeed!!! If you think about it why yuha need to go back to soul society after he eat soul king and defeated Ichigo? Of course because he need to take down aizen first before doing what he want,yuha invide soul society to make aizen into his Ally and go to soul palace to eat soul king just to finnaly start a fight againt aizen!!
@ShadowProject014 жыл бұрын
Was it necessary? Unknown Was it wise? Yes That being said. I agree I was satisfied with it. I can also see it from a manga selling stand point. Could you imaging how one sided all the fights would of been in the 1000 Year Blood War arc if Ichigo kept that power? No one save maybe Ywach would be a match.
@thelegacyofgaming29283 жыл бұрын
Mugetsu Ichigo was the most badass form. I wish it had come back.
@Regonix4 жыл бұрын
Mugetsu attack potency is crazy powerful. Lets explain why. First of all, Aizen couldn't even react to it, meaning that at very least mugetsu hits faster than light and could be hundreds of times faster than light. Based on the distance between Aizen and Ichigo and the the hole it have cut in the ground we can assume that the slash extended to at least 1000m of length. So, this whole distance was slashed faster than light. But wait, there is more. Based on how far up the cut went (above the mountain tops) and how deep it was we can assume that the slash was about 2000m of height. If we assume that the width of the cut was even and the same as the one left on the ground (lets say about 20cm=0.2m), then hit attack volume was at least 400'000 m^3. That means that everything in this volume was destroyed. But wait, there is more. If thing he slashed were simply destroyed, then we would have seen burst of flames, clouds of ashes or dusts, but no. Everything he slashed were simply erased out of existence. That means that instead of destroying things he slashed through, Ichigo destroyed space itself within his slash volume. That explains why after mugetsu we saw no clouds of ashes or matter turning into flames, etc. The space itself within his slash volume was destroyed and all matter within in was lost, and it would fit within physical nature of Ichigo's powers. And here is the math why it is crazy powerful. To destroy space itself you need power greater than that of vacuum energy - 10^113 J/m^3. So, mugetsu had attack potency of at least 4*10^118 J to destroy both space and all the mater within that space. Now, here are few comparisons to realize just how powerful mugetsu actually was: 2.24*10^32 J is about minimal energy you need to destroy the earth. 2.3*10^41 J is about minimal energy you need to destroy the sun. 2.12*10^47 J is about minimal energy you need to destroy our solar system. 5.7*10^51 J is about minimal energy you need to destroy a small galaxy. 1.15*10^78 J Is about minimal energy you need to destroy observable universe. All of these number were just for the matter, meaning that after destroying them the space and energy within that space would remain. I know Kubo is no a scientists and he didn't calculated anything, he simply drew what he wanted to drew, but based on what he drew mugetsu have attack potency of multiversal buster. And not simply multiversal - mugetsu essentially have attack potency to destroy billions upon billions of universes. Though, it was limited only to specific space of the slash Ichigo made, so while this attack had absolutely monstrous attack potency, but the actual damage to could do was very very limited. This is why Ichigo was and still is one of the most powerful character in fiction and he could one shot all remaining characters of Bleach, all characters of Naruto, superman, goku and so on. Nearly no character in fiction have enough durability to withstand mugetsu. Only characters with crazy regeneration could survive it. But wait, there is more. Ichigo used mugetsu while he was used to using only his shinigami powers and a little bit of hallow powers. Even at that, he wasn't adapted to most of his power and couldn't consciously control most of it. Zangetsu and White simply allowed to to use some (maybe not even all) their powers. However, after training in royal palace Ichigo learned to control and use all of his powers: shinigami, hallow and quicy powers. Also, Ichigo got even stronger over time, meaning his total power grown as well. So, if he were to use mugetsu after training in royal palace, then it should be much stronger than when he used it first time. If we assume that his total power grew linearly alongside of his combat power and if we assume that his power between fight with Aizen and fight with Yhwach grew about 10 times, then... Mugetsu should also become 10 more powerful = 4*10^119 J. But wait, there is more. Up till now we only assumed that only Ichigo's power grew. What if with all extra training, experience and age he would be able to maintain Final form for longer, attack more times than once or make other attack patters (for example: mugetsu stab). What if he was able to concentrate all destructive power of mugetsu at single point and then stab Yhwach multiple times? What if he was able to release multiple mugetsu attacks in a row? Even if that reduce attack potency of mugetsu by half, nobody would still be able to withstand a single mugetsu, but several of them would be an overkill.
@miraculoustiktok26044 жыл бұрын
Wow
@monke25044 жыл бұрын
what the fuck
@Regonix4 жыл бұрын
@@monke2504 math.
@starrk27164 жыл бұрын
Oh..
@dproh_4 жыл бұрын
Always good knowing that Ichigo is potentially the most dangerous fictional character ever made
@jugramhaschwalth58114 жыл бұрын
Ey can you talk about how we never got to see his inner world again after he got the his zanpaktou reforged. It always bugged me that we never got to see him talk to his zanpaktou more and even learn new abilities like how he got to learn the cross getsuga. We never saw whos in his inner world in shikai and bankai i never seen this addresses yet would be very nice. Also good videos and it makes sense whenever you realise he was fighting against hogyouku
@ophhate4 жыл бұрын
I also would have liked to see more of ichigos inner world later on
@LTheKURO4 жыл бұрын
i just feel like kubo didn’t wanna spend time on it, just like how he off-screened certain battles even though basically everyone wanted to see em.
@duanescott30914 жыл бұрын
Cross getsuga wasnt even a new move... smh more like 2 getsuga tenshous lmao
@V.VIIIBeanman4 жыл бұрын
@@duanescott3091 True but you can attribute that statement to Ceros as well. Gran Rey Cero is nothing but a base Cero mixed with blood. Cero Oscuras is nothing but a Cero used in an Espada's released state. Also kinda like how Ichigo's Getsuga changes in power and color from Shikai to Bankai. It's the same concept.
@zacwicht31894 жыл бұрын
Kubo's bad drawing posture wrecked his writing arm , that hurt the quality of his work and that lead to lower ratings and together they lead to the ending of bleach being forced earlier then most wanted , Kubo needed surgery after he finished bleach to reconnect the tendons in his arm so most of the rushed ending is because of this
@JohnnyYeTaecanUktena4 жыл бұрын
Honestly the moment he got Aizen out of the town is the moment he should have used it to end the fight instantly, and no the moment he starts to lose his powers is when he uses the attack Mugetsu otherwise he would have tried to finish the fight as fast as possible. I am sure he could have fought in that black haired form if he really wanted but he wanted to understand Aizen's viewpoint so he let the fight go on for a bit before going for the kill and trying to end it.
@animemoments91384 жыл бұрын
If was necessary it's Questionable but man it was a beautiful thing to see
@duanescott30914 жыл бұрын
Yes, he needed to nuke aizen hard enough that he killed him before he evolved to the point he actually became a problem. He could of slapped him around for a couple more transformations thou. He blocked 6 ceros with 1 arm.. broke a choke hold from aizen casually swinging his arm... he was still waaaay ahead of aizen. He wouldnt of been able to put him down without mugetsu thou. He basically devolved aizen when he hit him.. the kido took affect at that point.
@jadenk.50034 жыл бұрын
Ichigo used Final Getsuga Tensho: Mugetsu. It was super effective.
@aizensosuke9654 жыл бұрын
@@jadenk.5003 The opposing Aizen held on using Focus Sash!
@thelegacyofgaming29283 жыл бұрын
@@aizensosuke965 Ichigo was hit with recoil!!
@coursecorrection4204 жыл бұрын
To me, the author knew there would be more story but Ichigo did not. Ichigo has always wanted a normal life and all of the trials and tribulations he went through to get to the end boss. He figured after Aizan there was nothing left and his powers were "borrowed" anyway. So in his eyes he just wanted to be done with it all and stop the suffering and fighting and he was prepared to lose his powers but the big bad would finally be finished.
@RyanMK6662 жыл бұрын
originally the series was going to end there, but from what’s known the guy had some other ideas and worked a way to continue afterwards. And man was it good!
@GodOfWar1874 жыл бұрын
I think it was needed, I just would have liked Kubo to at least show Ichigo fighting against Aizen's "Monster" form for a bit before deciding to use it. I would imagine Ichigo was still a bit stronger at that point, but it still would have been nice to just get an extra chapter of them fighting.
@unwisely4 жыл бұрын
Those who have read the final arc of manga knows how absurdly powerful Aizen is. So yes, he needed the Final Getsuga Tenshou
@thelegacyofgaming29283 жыл бұрын
Final arc Aizen is not to be compared to this version of Aizen.
@khulmach96622 жыл бұрын
@@thelegacyofgaming2928 Aizen was stronger while sealed than monster Aizen because the Hogyoku was still increasing his power
@FrayTheHunter4 жыл бұрын
I have to say that I’m really glad that I stumbled upon your channel, the work that you put into your videos it’s clear that you have a deep caring for the series and I find them incredibly enjoyable to listen to. I really hope your channel blows up and in the future more people will be able to see your content! I’m just here as early as I am because I fully expect you to hit that hundred thousand subscriber mark pretty quickly once the anime returns
@ammaranuar25444 жыл бұрын
Wow, you gave me a new perspective about the fight that I never thought before. Good video, man. Subscribed.
@colincool93034 жыл бұрын
You have to remember that Ichigo's cloak represents his reiatsu, and after taking the fragor hit, his cloak does take significant damage. He seems to be able to use his arm, but it is clear that he is at risk.
@getrektmydearfriend27524 жыл бұрын
I mean probably. I reached this conclusion as aizen was evolving at a rapid speed, so he had to finish the fight quickly before aizen out grew him
@ihateflatbunz4 жыл бұрын
The sword is bound to this right hand he had to go all in.
@MrRichirobot4 жыл бұрын
i was always under the impression that even before mugestu he was still in that final form because his sword is fused with his hand mugestu was just kind of the ultimate attack of that form, like even if he didnt go mugestu he was already fused with tensa and would have ended up loosing his power?
@asnodt23894 жыл бұрын
Yeahh.. he need to use it to fight Aizen.. but I would love to see this final form combine with Rukia's Bankai - Hakka no Togame when he fight Yhwach.. because their form look perfect with almost same superb attack..
@anamal25943 жыл бұрын
I love the story stand point as you said that it’s a lose lose situation for Ichigo like there was no way for him to get out of that fight. But it makes me wonder (because i feel like he was just toying with Aizen the whole time until he used final getsuga tenshou) that if he would have just went full out at the very beginning could have he beaten aizen so bad if it would have caused the same amount of damage as the final getsuga tenshou did
@MasterX254 жыл бұрын
From what I understand, Ichigo needed to overwhelm Aizen, in extension the Hogyouku, and shatter his will. Aizen's once unbreakable will is shattered. And at the same time, if Ichigo's words are to be believe, his subconscious desire was also granted during the battle, to meet someone as special as he is. Aizen, for even a short moment, contended with what he's achieved, no longer desiring power, the Hogyouku responds by taking it away. That short instance with Aizen depowered is all Urahara needs to seal Aizen. Of course, once Aizen's will is restored, we see him going back to full power again.
@flyingcrocinthesky57544 жыл бұрын
Im so sad bleach manga is over i just finished yesterday will there be more Or is it over.
@MaxIronsThird4 жыл бұрын
The anime is coming back next year and they might adapt the sequel novels.
@logandelaharpe63624 жыл бұрын
Also novels continue the story
@otislloyd-zollinger25794 жыл бұрын
There is a spin off
@MaxIronsThird4 жыл бұрын
@@otislloyd-zollinger2579 Burn the Witch, pilot plus 4 chapter and the anime OVA are part of Season 1, we don't know what Season 2 of Burn the Witch consists of.
@HeartbreakHertz3 жыл бұрын
I appreciate you acknowledging Aiden's bravado/talking to himself the whole time Ichigo was stoically preparing to clap them transcended cheeks
@ZephWraen4 жыл бұрын
I always took it as a reverse DBZ move. Ichigo's strat was to 1 shot Aizen before he could power up further, which Aizen did get 1 more power up in, but it still wasn't enough. So he may not have needed to use it, but it was the safest bet.
@timmayboi1204 жыл бұрын
Anti-Vegeta
@rderyk4 жыл бұрын
...........it was wise really for Ichigo to use the full power of Final Getsuga Tenshou to end the battle right there & then, swiftly, accurately & forcefully to defeat Aizen.......if Kubo decided to lengthen the final battle with Aizen further enough, the impact on us might be far greater, but given how the pre-Arrancar Arc backstory & the main arc itself has shown how OP Aizen really has become, the fight might become too old if, as ya have said , Aizen continuous to grow far stronger as the fight progresses.......
@SenoirMeow4 жыл бұрын
I don’t think it was that necessary he seemed to have it handled without it. Think he was just completely fed up with Aizen, his personality and arrogance. Think he just wanted to shut him up. Did that mean killing him? Most likely though the only person Ichigo has intentionally killed was Yhwach and Ginjo. Though they were relatively valid reasons I feel he had his reasons for it using it. Maybe he tried to finish Aizen before he could change his mind, or just because he hated the fight with Aizen and wanted to finish it ASAP.
@aizensosuke9654 жыл бұрын
Mugetsu was necessary as Aizen was doing damage to Dangai Ichigo whereas he couldn't before. Ichigo realizing the dire situation went for it.
@Sswineamer694 жыл бұрын
I think it was necessary as it weakened Aizen enough for Urahara's seal to work. Aizen's "desire" or "wish" was also granted.
@V.I.L.984 жыл бұрын
First Time this quick. Keep up the good work 👍
@landonmartin14334 жыл бұрын
The real question is why Urahara's Kido didn't activate after Gin basically killed him. But as for this topic, I always thought that Ichigo was in a special state where he had to use the Mugetsu soon after, as if his chained arm form was in preparation of the final Getsuga Tenso. I thought this because I couldn't really believe that Ichigo would surpass Aizen just with training for that time alone, and my theory is supported by the fact that when he gets his powers back afterwards, we don't see that form again, meaning that it wasn't one of his natural progressive stages of his Zanpakto, but more similar to Aizen's cocoon stage and his next form had to be Mugetsu. We never really were given alot of explanation about this part tho, and basically none of Ichigo's inner monologue was given during this time.
@Delimon0072 жыл бұрын
Because it's a plot hole, just like ichigo not just hollowfying and deleting him immediately with a getsuga instead using mugetsu.
@AimaZero4 жыл бұрын
Even though Ichigo looks confident during the fight, it was always clear that Aizen would eventually overwhelm him. So instead of letting Aizen catch up he used everything to pause the fight, leaving Aizen weakened enough for the seal to work, even though Ichigo wanted to end the fight with Mugetsu. Aizen was going to win if given enough time, so Mugetsu was absolutely necessary to win fast, Ichigo knew that, because Aizen was starting to damage him in increasingly dangerous attacks.
@jacobellis23134 жыл бұрын
I'm pretty sure Ichigo had no idea that Urahara placed a seal on Aizen
@AimaZero4 жыл бұрын
@@jacobellis2313 Exactly, the attack was meant to kill and it failed, Ichigo was pretty shocked when Aizen got up again, after that. The thing I was trying to say is that at the start of the fight Ichigo was destroying Aizen but realized that Aizen's attacks were starting to get dangerous for him, and so he used Mugetsu, in the end Aizen still won the fight but Urahara got him at the right moment.
@beyondthesacrosanctbreeze4 жыл бұрын
Ichigo had a time limit on that form.. plus Aizen had the hogyoku, well actually 2 hogyokus fused and thus adaptable transformations. Thats why he wasnt effected by any of ichigos attacks, because he had almost instant healing. Mugetsu made aizen regress temporarily but then pushed him to fully fuse with kyoka suigetsu. The only reason the seal activated is because deep down Aizen was ok with the outcome since ichigo was an outsider who just so happened to have the rare ability to evolve without the hogyoku and use all reiatsu types. Obviously we know why now, the actual question is, could achieve this form again, and if so how does it scale to his form at the end of the manga... Anyhow these are my thoughts
@weebo23284 жыл бұрын
I agree with you. There was no way for Ichigo to know how fast Aizen can increase his power nor how powerful his attack has to be to defeat him. So yeah, it was the best option. By the way it's one of my favorite moments in Bleach.
@alexkuhn51884 жыл бұрын
Hey man, your video showed up on my KZfaq Home Page and I decided to check it out, I was NOT disappointed! I love videos like this that have an in depth analysis of Anime and you definitely earned my subscription!
@sosukeaizen70284 жыл бұрын
Ichigo: Uses Mugetsu Me: Regeneration time already?
@corriveau214 жыл бұрын
Well no, he should even have finished the fight right at the begining after cuting the mountain
@franks70044 жыл бұрын
THANK YOU VERY MUCH!! It make so much more sense for me now cause for the longest I couldn't understand why Great Job
@ArrancarfighterOfficial4 жыл бұрын
My dude you definitely need to start doing battle discussions and stuff like this. Maybe hypothetical battles? I know you love those. If you feel like it maybe work something like that into your other videos when you have the time. I just started watching this and I’m commenting Before I start but I’m really excited for this one I’ve often thought about the same thing and I’m interested to see what you have to say. Keep it up you’ll have 100k + subscribers in no time!
@zashafuto17754 жыл бұрын
Remember this is the guy who yhwach himself feared and even tried to stop him from contacting his hollow for full power.
@HyuchaKyrie4 жыл бұрын
he also feared Aizen and remember that a guy that can see every possible future couldnt see any of aizen's illusions
@0eyes3 жыл бұрын
But be honest, Ywach didn’t have anything to fear, he rolled everyone and was starting to destroy everything
@zashafuto17753 жыл бұрын
@@0eyes then why did he stop his bankai immediately? Cuz then ywach would lose if not to his power saving him
@lorddukfoxyzeppeli79213 жыл бұрын
no He could have defeated him without it saved it for the later arc
@0eyes3 жыл бұрын
@@zashafuto1775 The guy was powerful enough to break Ichigo’s bankai in his powerful form by not even moving. Ichigo wasn’t a real threat to him otherwise they wouldn’t need Uryu to shoot Yhwach with the arrow.
@CarlosGonzalez-sj9gj4 жыл бұрын
To me Mugetsu should've been his Bankai, that design is too cool to be only use once.
@gazzmania1502 жыл бұрын
I feel like Aizen would have definitely kept evolving and getting stronger. The hogyoku's "true power is in it's ability to sense the heart of the user and materialize their deepest desires" Aizen had a God complex, he believed himself the ultimate being and as a result the hogyoku made him Immortal and gave him power beyond anything he'd ever encountered before. when he was fighting Ichigo he was baffled and in denial, refusing to accept that he could be bested, so as a result the hogyoku evolved him even further to materialise his will. This is why Ichigo needed final getsuga, If he didn't win here, Aizen would eventually evolve to match his level... but when Aizen is cut clean in two, he's so completely undeniably out matched that it breaks his will... he realises just how strong Ichigo is and internally accepts his defeat... and in that moment the hogyoku rejects him because he no longer has the will to manifest his desires.
@Hanitcal69 Жыл бұрын
I love mr tommo. So cool to see how much his channel has grown since this video
@Retruyomyl54 жыл бұрын
Still curious how Ichigo's final Getsuga form has an arm not-covered. As if Aizen's attack had damaged not only the shihakusho, but the damage dealt isn't completely healed. On a close note, Aizen still was unable to feel Ichigo. So it would seem like the transformations forced by the Hogyoku were far from enough. Maybe there was a fixated multiplier each time?
@Games4Days9124 жыл бұрын
Yes, aizen would of kept evolving. He had to try and put him down for good 1 shot.
@HyuchaKyrie4 жыл бұрын
he wouldnt. Aizen didnt wanted to win, even ichigo says that in the end of the fight
@jamrah87133 жыл бұрын
@@HyuchaKyrie that was only after the final getsuga tenshou. Aizen would've continually been in denial and kept evolving. If you read the manga right now yo would know that he needed the getsuga tenshou
@Scarecrooo3 жыл бұрын
@@jamrah8713 Don't misunderstand things...after the Aizen arc Bleach was pretty much over.....it was painful to even read....Ichigo stated he felt loneliness in his sword...and yes Aizen wanted to subconsciously lose....and the Hyougyoku is following the desire of the surrounding ppl....even Aizen stated that long before.
@shinobiwar62302 жыл бұрын
@@Scarecrooo BITCH ASS BLEACH IS BACK
@shinobiwar62302 жыл бұрын
@@Scarecrooo TYBW BEST ARC
@alfofoGMS4 жыл бұрын
love the discussions my man. I've been rewatching Tekking101 Bleach videos and got recommended to your channel. I'm rewatching the fullbringer arc rn. It's been so long since i've watched the show that I'm enjoying it a bunch. Getting more hyped for the return!
@andrewking11734 жыл бұрын
I just watched bleach for the first time, thanks for posting Bleach content in 2020!
@OuryLN4 жыл бұрын
He's actions marked his Quincy powers coming fro.
@Gavin_sfc4 жыл бұрын
Not really. That technique removes Quincy powers so why would it remove Ichigos shinigami powers but not the Quincy in him? Cause we know that isshin and the fox dude could use techniques similar to mugetsu were they lost all there shinigami powers so…
@naraydaniels78324 жыл бұрын
@@Gavin_sfc as seen by tybw 15's quincy powers dont do anything (i'm agreeing with u)
@Tengu1254 жыл бұрын
Couldn't he have tried to destroy the Hogyoku instead? It was literally hanging by strings in the hole in his chest, and if he's already so much stronger than Aizen throughout the entire fight, shouldn't Ichigo have been strong enough to just destroy it before it makes Aizen even stronger and eventually equal to or stronger than him? I think it would have been pretty simple if he'd have just finished it and not taking his time defeating him, as it didn't seem like the Hogyoku could tell exactly how strong Ichigo was in order to power Aizen up further to match his strength. It must have reacted according to Aizen's perception of Ichigo's power, and therefore his underestimating of said power was what lead to his defeat.
@ViperDivinity4 жыл бұрын
Hogyoku is indestructible. Its like its bound to person's soul that cannot be severed. Even Mugetsu erase Aizen's body and Hogyoku just regenerate like normally.
@andrewepps65744 жыл бұрын
It’s indestructible or they would have destroyed it a very long time ago
@tool31423 жыл бұрын
Pretty sure the hogyoku ate a final getsuga tensho head on considering it's in the middle of aizen's chest and ichigo practically split aizen in half by the middle
@Delimon0072 жыл бұрын
@@tool3142 True
@otherguyjo16843 жыл бұрын
I spoke with someone about this before. Aizen survived the mugetsu but it was such an incredible force that it damaged him. And the damage made his will waver; something in which Aizen never thought could happen, especially by a mortal. And because of this, the hogyoku rejected him. So by this we know it doesn't matter what the technique is, all that matters is that Aizen's will must be shaken, and that can only happen with an overwhelming force (whether that be mugetsu, a serious beatdown, or any event Aizen deems impossible). The key here is Aizen's own mental constitution and how to make him doubt himself. But remember, mugetsu wasn't the first instance where this happened. Aizen was already starting to have a mental breakdown from the very beginning when Ichigo slammed him into the ground. He was shocked at the fact that Ichigo had progressed so much in so little time and was able to do something he thought no one could ever do to him. Then again when Ichigo was casually destroying the terrain, and again when he smacked away the hado 90. Mugetsu was just the icing on the cake. So was mugetsu necessary to defeat Aizen in the fashion that he was? No. But for the sake of the story, yes. Had Ichigo been allowed to keep his dangai powers, he would've broken the series.
@janosd4nuke4 жыл бұрын
Yup, exactly a race against the hougyoku pushing further evolutions. So it was necessary to go full Mugetsu while Ichigo had the upper hand. In hindsight it is a very well put together fight. And Gin's role in it is very vital. Gin killing Aizen and him coming back is the first tell that there is no stopping the hougyoku pushing further evolutions. This and Aizen's line about needing the fear of death also a great counter plot-hole as to why Ichigo not being under hypnosis was key to Aizen's plan. As in the end Aizen seeking that challange was a key step if he was ever to reach his goal of becoming a conscious Soul King. He needed to exploit the hougyoku evolutions to stans a chance against the likes of Ichibe, and for that he needed Ichigo to be a genuine threat. Also Gin choosing that moment to betray Aizen first seems a but contrived but makes perfect sense. Aizen was a strategist, prepared for everything and No one knew this more than Gin. The fact that Gin choose to strike then at Aizen's most powerful (until then) and not before is a tell of him getting increasingly unhinged while merging with the hougyoku and so close to his endgame. And this mental breakdown was their only shot whether anyone knew it beforehand or not. In the end Gin and Aizen was quite similar and Ichigo the polar opposite. They sacraficed everything for their selfish goal even their personality and morals. Gin for the revenge, Aizen for the godlike powers "to set the world right". Ichigo on the other hand sacraficed everything for a selfless goal and symbolically that was the make or brake in the hougyoku VS mugetsu. It is one thing knowing your allies are just tools and you will get to discard them once you are at the endgame and the snake in your hand may be out for your blood... but actually going through with it, what will you became. Tousen and the Espada dead, Gin showing his fang, so close to your goals, but what are you at this point Sousuke-kun? Quite a harrowing feeling. No suprise Aizen cracked when over all that that little human exploit-slave kept coming back with an unshakable resolve. As time goes by my appreciation for this fight just grows.
@alispeed50954 жыл бұрын
Small correction: Dont just say that "Ichigo came out with just a charred arm" He took serious dmg from the small nuke aizen threw and this can be seen by the amount of reiatsu he expended or lost by looking at his clothes He basically lost asizeable portion of his tunic (which is a representation of his spirit energy level) and l believe thats when he commits and decides to end the man before evolves yet further
@Synkronist4 жыл бұрын
Exactly, he had to use up a large amount of reiatsu just to block it. People always ignore the little details
@alispeed50954 жыл бұрын
@@Synkronist Glad you agree, l hate to see people ignore small details which ends up leading to misguided opinions
@chawli27824 жыл бұрын
Yes mugetsu was necessary that was the only way to seal aizen
@kynlaan33324 жыл бұрын
Okay the way your explained that planes of transcendence makes much more sense than when i orginally read the manga. Cause I wonder throughout the 100 year war arc if ichigo never once again became trancendent because everyone could sense his power.
@undeadhydra72704 жыл бұрын
Keep in mind, ichigo is also half quincy. The manifestation was a representation of his quincy power, and since the manifestation (Black Zangetsu) fused with White Zangetsu, he accepted the blade from fused tensa zangetsu and thus transcended Aizen due to his additional bloodline and if he hit the Hogyoku with his Mugetsu, i believe he would have won.
@Dave-gk6si8 ай бұрын
BS! Stop with the lies! The Final Getsuga was a shinigami technique as stated by Ishin. You guys are the scum of the fandom spreading BS!
@hutchatlek73204 жыл бұрын
The real question is how did Isshin know about the final getsugatenshou
@alexkuhn51884 жыл бұрын
I have heard a theory, which may be wrong, that the Getsuga Tenshou can be used by any Zanpakuto with “Getsu” in their name, which would apply to Zangetsu and Engetsu. Another theory is that it is a Shiba Clan Technique. We don’t have a definitive answer though.
@jonlouishernandezorsini2174 жыл бұрын
@@alexkuhn5188 Kyoka Suigetsu.
@blackiedubbz10254 жыл бұрын
Jon Louis Hernández Orsini NO
@hellsmason53743 жыл бұрын
He literally says when ichigo starts to go into his inner world that his engetsu was pissed at him when he asked how to learn it.
@hutchatlek73203 жыл бұрын
@@hellsmason5374 yeah but how did he know that Mugetsu exist I agree with Alex kuhn Spoiler: Plus Isshin didn’t lose his power because of mugetsu so he didn’t use it
@mdc123-v2v3 жыл бұрын
Ichigo never wanted to kill Aizen, just wanted to demoralise him to the point that his inner desires would betray him to the Hōgyoku. When Aizen regenerates himself after Final Getsuga the Hōgyoku delivers on Aizen's hidden desire to be normal and not to feel loneliness anymore. There's a reason he effectively trained Ichigo for this moment, it was so he could finally fight someone he could consider his equal.
@CardinalSinOfCake4 жыл бұрын
Due to Kubo's declining health he didn't necessarily get to expand on the ending of Bleach and it ended rather abruptly (From what I've read, interviews, etc). But, I heard some rumors that with the anime returning they'll be expanding the content (same end, because Kubo reached the way he wanted the series to end) to give us what he felt it should have been had he not rushed (That way moments like Yamamoto's Bankai could really shine). Have you heard anything about this? Or is this just fans hoping and praying that's the case as nobody has given a concrete source. I hope this is the case, it did feel rushed, but I was still pleased with the way it ended. Thank you for all the wonderful content all things Bleach, it's absolutely divine. I hope your channel continues to grow and you get the recognition you deserve for your hard work!
@CardinalSinOfCake4 жыл бұрын
Well, Yamamoto's Bankai did shine (Just wish it was for longer), I guess that was a bad example. But, I'm sure you know where I'm coming from.
@Zopharus4 жыл бұрын
This may be just a thought from a simpleton but since ichigo's shihakusho resembled how much spirit energy he had in bankai form when he explained it to Unohana, perhaps the damage he took from Aizens attack actually lowered his overall power level and that was why he decided he needed to use it now before it becomes ineffective against aizen? If that is the case, must be a troublesome power to have to fight unscathed or perhaps it's because Ichigo never had access to his full power set? Just my thoughts
@Homeboy_L4 жыл бұрын
Personally I think it was necessary. I feel like he kinda owed it to aizen. He played a big role in Ichigo getting stronger and it was his doing that Ichigo even learned it.
@legendofloki665i93 жыл бұрын
I think it was. In my opinion, it even seemed like it fell short (haven't read TYBW, so I could be wrong). Had Urahara not been there to seal the weakened Aizen, Ichigo wouldn't have been able to overcome him. Hogyoku was just way too much of a threat if left unchecked.
@TheBobby2legs2 жыл бұрын
At first it looked like Ichigo didn’t want to use the final getsuga tensho, and I think it’s obvious why that’s the case (why use it if you don’t have to). Because Aizen is functionally immortal and constantly evolving, within a short time, Aizen evolved enough to wound Ichigo. It was shortly after that moment which Ichigo decided to stop messing around and end the fight. It had to be done.
@Adrian-em9ng4 жыл бұрын
Have not watched this video yet, but the title has been my question for a long time.
@Zvontracy4 жыл бұрын
“lost everything” *gets his powers back literally a month later*
@MaxIronsThird4 жыл бұрын
Wasn't there a 2 years time skip?
@supermegadong75972 жыл бұрын
In the anime yeah because of the filler but the cannon and manga had a year skip
@Zvontracy2 жыл бұрын
Doesn’t even matter if you’re adding a lose everything handicap then stick to it same shit happened to the Quincy nerd dude
@Pondredia4 жыл бұрын
Using it was not necessary. He did not have to "defeat" Aizen, he just had to weaken him to the point where Urahara could seal him.
@youthought2024 жыл бұрын
ז5.אדם ג'ורנו says who?
@nith41263 жыл бұрын
Pondredia But Ichigo didn’t know Urahara put the seal on Aizen, so to him, it was a battle of defeat
@ryansidney10514 жыл бұрын
I know I'm a bit late but loved the vid and despite me only discovering your channel like a month ago its fast becoming one of my favourites i dunno why just love your content and you seem really passionate and enthusiastic about the vids you upload and i enjoy your vids more cos i can see that keep up the good work
@rialvita71414 жыл бұрын
Aizen known, new and posible traits and ideas if you want to read: -Beyond immortal, or simply put, immune to death. Only seals, high level kido and enough physical strength can damage him. Other than that, he won't die by anything. -He does not use regeneration, the Hogyoku simply rewinds the body to a prior state of being. -Said jewel can make one's existence stronger if you hold the potential and sufficient will to do so, so Aizen can evolve indefinitely given no seals and the jewel detects a new wish from it's master. -He's now fused with his zanpakuto, meaning that he can manifest his sword through his bogy whenever, and any skill or ability that it has, can be activated without one's noticing. Commands and requeriments still have to be done, although. -Without seals, his reiatsu is on Hogyoku: Chrysalis State. In the manga, however, it is unknown why, but his reiatsu keeps increasing indefinitely, like a Broly-type transformation. -Keep in mind, that his existence transcends both Shinigami and Hollow, but he's neither. He's a "mixture" in a new, kind, stronger existence. -Should he decide to be a Reio Candidate or become a Reio himself, he still needs to transcend Human and Quincy alike. -The Hogyoku is part of him now, imposible to extract, it will return to him if done nevertheless. -Fragor and Ultrafragor are not Cero like attacks. Think of these like a high compressed Getsuga Tensho in a bomb like structure. -In the manga, his non incantation Kurohitsugi now is an multi aoe that warps spacetime. Meaning, the full incantation is a black hole. Definitely not in the face. -The only kido that Aizen doesn't know are the ones manipulating spacetime. Currently only 2 are known. Kisuke and Mayuri know them, although.
@JoltOfJoy4 жыл бұрын
My answer - but it was cool tho 😎
@bisexualichigo42274 жыл бұрын
You mean one of the coolest transformations? Then yes.
@purplecadence73904 жыл бұрын
subbed cuz i love bleach and you went in full depth of the fight. fucking love this. good shit bro.
@disres13374 жыл бұрын
Huh, never noticed the cosmere books in your background. Thats awesome!
@ghostk-79264 жыл бұрын
I felt it was unnecessary, he was toying with Aizen before hand.
@javontaegaskins24494 жыл бұрын
I completely agree with you bro. I felt like all he had to do is put on the hollow mask and just destroy this man lol.
@ghostk-79264 жыл бұрын
Right! “That wasn’t your blade, it was mine!”
@chrisringer57784 жыл бұрын
Yeah but Aizen is immortal do y’all think it would be smart to not go all out against a immortal being Like Aizen 🤔🤔🤔🤔
@DJ-qn3tl4 жыл бұрын
Mon Gu Son please tell goku that, he needs to hear this
@tarkursmh40664 жыл бұрын
@@javontaegaskins2449 dude if his full power Mugetsu cant finish him off what would that weird creepy mask can do??
@BeeTheBurier4 жыл бұрын
Here at 6 minutes uploaded
@mossworksmedia4 жыл бұрын
I loved the Final Getsuga Tensho and thought it was the perfect bookend to the series and concluded the story fantastically. Everything afterwards has always felt like a slap dash because of how excellent the end of the Aizen Saga was.
@claude-francoisseide36453 жыл бұрын
but kisuke himself said that the hogyku was weakening and that it was turning against him but at the same time i understand why he used it cause later on during the timeskip he said that he didn't want his shinigami powers and only wanted to protect his loved ones and that he didn't want to see ghosts so that's my only theory on why he actually used Mugetsu.
@carlopatalinghug85714 жыл бұрын
I believe that he did need to use mugetsu at that point. The only evidence I can bring is that I remember sometime before, I cant remember what arc it was, Ichigo was explaining to unohana that his clothing was a representation of his remaining reiatsu. The fact that aizen blew away part of his sleeve and shihakusho. Leads me to believe that depending on the power ups the Hogyoku gives aizen per save, he could overtake his power fairly quickly. Ichigo was kicking his ass initially. Then aizen transformed and then blasted his arm and part of his shihakusho away. The next incarnation could have been devastating. So yeah i feel like mugetsu was necessary.
@madfingerstv35544 жыл бұрын
First of all, great work on the videos! They're very educational. I agree that Ichigo had to use the final Getsuga Tenshou, and he used it at the absolute last minute. But I disagree with the statement that Aizen is merely a "vessel" for the Hogkyoku. During his encounter with Urahara, Aizen claims to have in fact, "subjugated" the Hogyoku. Kurosaki's final attack drained Aizen of his strength and weakened him enough to break his control of the Hogyoku. This weakened state, made him vulnerable to Kisuke's seal.
@nubs24684 жыл бұрын
idk why but this was the one that got me to sub, sorry i took so long, i really enjoy your content.
@joe123fly3 жыл бұрын
Enjoyed this clarification! Never thought I could like Bleach more now that it all makes sense
@gamefreak20505 ай бұрын
When I first read it I interpreted it as Dangai Ichigo was already losing his powers and the Final Getsuga Tensho just accelerated this with his final attack