Did Max Verstappen Go Too Far at The Austrian Grand Prix?

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Marc Priestley F1 Elvis

Marc Priestley F1 Elvis

6 күн бұрын

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@samwlloyd
@samwlloyd 4 күн бұрын
People are really "Snowflakes" Barcelona 2024 - Lando push Max on to the grass by half a car width because Max takes avoiding action.... Everybody says it's just hard racing !!!! Austria 2024 - Lando and Max touch briefly on track because Lando went for a gap that wasn't there after he couldn't make 3 previous torpedo's work ..... Everybody: MAX is such a dirty driver !!!! Lando's comment about Max not needing to race him because he has a 70 point lead is kind of dumb!!!! ... uhhhm Lando he races everybody that's why he has a 70 point lead !!!
@nilsthart4154
@nilsthart4154 4 күн бұрын
EVERYBODY WORLD WIDE LOVES these on track fights while on the other side some British race fans who claim to know everything better than the rest of the world, are crying over the rules being broken. Brits want ‘clean and fair’ racing with drivers that move out of the way to allow a clean DRS overtake. It’s ridiculous AND BORING AF !! And this Silverstone dude blaming Max for declining ticket sales. 😂 He should be thanking Max on his bare knees after this weekend. And as for the comments on Oscar… DUDE….HE JUST STARTED AT MCLAREN. He will give Lando a hard time in the near future I can promise you that.
@dogs04
@dogs04 3 күн бұрын
Just check the difference in comments from Davide Valsecchi and Jolyon Palmer after the race with Will Buxton. Valsecchi was excited about the hard racing from both drivers....Palmer was just pissed off and blamed everything on Max. And now at Sky etc they were complaining again that 10 sec penalty wasn't enough for Max for this incident......the irony....
@ctaaa76
@ctaaa76 2 күн бұрын
This is pathetic honestly. Its just a hate speech about British people that’s it. it’s completely untrue also. Makes me laugh you talk like other fans don’t call for hard racing but as soon as there is hard racing like dive bombing all they do is complain…. Which they definitely do…. Just look in this comment section. If you hate us British fair enough. But you don’t have to spread hate. Makes you no better than a racist.
@admaneb
@admaneb 2 күн бұрын
May I suggest you give Nascar a go
@ctaaa76
@ctaaa76 2 күн бұрын
@@nilsthart4154 this is just a hate speech against British people. Your no better than a racist….. Just look at this comment section max fans call for hard racing…. But in the next breath whin about divebombs. It so hypocritical….
@HowellJones75
@HowellJones75 4 күн бұрын
Alonso got the fastest lap in the closing laps.
@tarikviaer-mcclymont5762
@tarikviaer-mcclymont5762 4 күн бұрын
He was on softs
@philips6182
@philips6182 4 күн бұрын
His only bright spot because he finished 18th with that pit for softs. Aston is awful
@quigglyz
@quigglyz 4 күн бұрын
@@tarikviaer-mcclymont5762so was max
@docbrown.
@docbrown. Күн бұрын
I don’t think he gets a point for that being outside the top 10.
@magnetictheory
@magnetictheory 4 күн бұрын
This is Lando's 6th year in F1. Easy to forget Oscar was a rookie last year and what he's already accomplished against a teammate who's been at McLaren this whole time and already made it his own. Oscar's still learning tyre management and adapting to race pace. He's doing all this in a top team while Lando was able to do all this early in his career in a midfield team without the pressure. The fact people like you talk about Oscar as if he's a seasoned driver with a wealth of experience behind him is a testament to his maturity and level headedness so early in his career. Now, just imagine what Oscar's ability will be like once he's leveled up like the rest of the top drivers.
@p0t4toePotato
@p0t4toePotato 2 күн бұрын
well the last 5 years the mclaren was a shit car compared to now, and compared to the rest of the field
@kingofsound4271
@kingofsound4271 Күн бұрын
Thank you for that!^
@sulverius5205
@sulverius5205 3 күн бұрын
Its called racing, Max is gonna change nothing. Norris need to look also to his own driving before the crash!
@ccramit
@ccramit 2 күн бұрын
Why? That's exactly how Max has raced his entire career. Are you conveniently forgetting Max's first years in F1. Or 2021 where he and Hamilton drove each other off track every chance they got? The only reason Max hasn't had more incidents in the last few years is because his car was always so far ahead. Otherwise, Max probably would have more incidents.
@rnichol22
@rnichol22 2 күн бұрын
Selective memory I see
@paulhope3401
@paulhope3401 2 күн бұрын
Yes, it's called racing... but there are also rules to this game. I'm a big fan of Max, but that doesn't mean I'll defend him when he mess's up.
@ryche.rising
@ryche.rising 2 күн бұрын
@@ccramit stop crying, this is racing, not a Disneyland tour. Pilots are there to win, not to let entitled drivers pass without a fight.
@Heinrich_Von_Schnellfahrer
@Heinrich_Von_Schnellfahrer Күн бұрын
​@@ryche.rising there is "without a fight" and then there is driving into other drivers..wich Max did.. It is clear Max is feeling the pressure, something he hasent for nearly 3 years.
@Raptor0750
@Raptor0750 4 күн бұрын
Lando could have used his steering wheel and simply veered a bit left and completely avoided contact. I remember Lando pushing Max on the grass in Barcelona at the start, no comment. Here we go usual British whining
@F1Elvis
@F1Elvis 4 күн бұрын
It's just simply a fact that Max broke the rules here, if it was Lando I'd say the se thing?
@Raptor0750
@Raptor0750 4 күн бұрын
@@F1Elvis Let me get this straight - Lando exceeded track limits multiple times just prior to the incident, he missed turn 2 previously forcing Max off track, and then careens into Turn 2 again this time on the outside puncturing Max"s left rear with his wing. Good so far? Lando needs to get the pacifier out of his mouth and start racing like an F1 champ if he wants to beat one.
@Raptor0750
@Raptor0750 4 күн бұрын
Turn 3, my mistake
@MartinRiggs1820
@MartinRiggs1820 3 күн бұрын
@@F1Elvis It's a simple fact you need glasses, man. Do you want every British driver to just be let by without a damn fight?
@bennylloyd-willner9667
@bennylloyd-willner9667 2 күн бұрын
@@Raptor0750 Well, you're wrong about the wing puncturing Max's rear tyre so you didn't get that straight, and not good so far 😁
@J-DUB-F1
@J-DUB-F1 4 күн бұрын
Ultimately what do we want?....boring finishes with one driver 20sec ahead of 2nd place??, or two drivers fighting at the end for every last inch to get the win??. After they have some words and things cool off, they might back off a little bit at silverstone, but don't expect it to stay that way 😏
@bitemyshite
@bitemyshite 4 күн бұрын
Whats your point here? Is someone advocating boring racing?
@W0o0dy
@W0o0dy 3 күн бұрын
@f1Elvis: used to think you knew your stuff.. guess the union Jack over your head does affect judgement. McLaren surely protested Max's driving for allegedly moving under braking, no penalty means the stewards had evidence he didn't. Calling Lando going straight out of control a "little bit out of control" is marginalizing the fault. Had he hit Max he would have had 10s penalty for being out of control. Now Max misjudges the space on the outside by a couple of cm, they nudge tyres and all of a sudden it's a really dangerous move? Come on you can't be serious...
@frdml01
@frdml01 3 күн бұрын
It was a milder version of Hamilton v Verstappen Silverstone 2021, with less advantages results for Verstappen this time than Hamilton in 2021. And who is talking about Lando pushing Max in the grass at the Barcelona start. But yeah... the dominant British press in F1...
@justicebroker2271
@justicebroker2271 4 күн бұрын
A bit harsh on piastri. He was unlucky not to win in Miami. He got a heavy penalty in Italy for blocking when the next race 3 drivers got away with it. He also got robbed of 3rd for qualifying due to a bs call. Why is nobody concerned that Perez can barely finish top 10 in the rbr. Piastri is still new to F1. Give him a chance.
@Redlingstein
@Redlingstein 3 күн бұрын
Piastri was not unlucky to not win Miami. He was NEVER GONNA WIN MIAMI. Stop these stupid delusions
@Redlingstein
@Redlingstein 3 күн бұрын
Track limits …geez they count for everyone !!! Stop with the bs that you want special rules for Piastri 🤡
@justicebroker2271
@justicebroker2271 3 күн бұрын
@@Redlingstein jeez ok then piastri is shit and shouldn’t be there.
@pistonbroke70
@pistonbroke70 Күн бұрын
I consider that the lap time being deleted in qualifying was the harshest issue to befall Piastri, on the basis that I understand that there were no track sensors in the area of the track that he allegedly exceeded track limits and the helicopter video was not of a high enough resolution to fully confirm the track limit infringement. However, if you step back from it, he did luck into P2 in that it was due to the collision up front, albeit he was there to pick up the pieces, and make a good pass on Sainz. @Redlingstein for some reason has got very angry about your comment, in the end its just someone's opinion, that's all.
@justicebroker2271
@justicebroker2271 Күн бұрын
@@pistonbroke70 Thanks. I was pointing out that Oscar is only in his second year and has been unlucky not to score more points. I’m not saying he’s better than anyone else, just thought it’s a bit harsh to judge him like that just yet. Next year the gloves will be off and he will need to be more consistent. There are other drivers on the grid who are performing way under expectations for how long they’ve been in F1 and the car under them.
@Wil-70-NL
@Wil-70-NL 3 күн бұрын
Come on, dangerous 😂. I didn't hear you talk about Lewis who drove Max into the barrier in Silverstone at high speed. Forgot about that?
@bennylloyd-willner9667
@bennylloyd-willner9667 2 күн бұрын
Silverstone?. Should F1 commenters talk about every incident that is history when they are talking about a more recent one? What about Prost Senna crashing into each other - why didn't F1 Elvis talk about that here, WHY oh WHY???😂
@Stantube1000
@Stantube1000 Күн бұрын
it was Max fault as well, according to those brits, or 'racing incident' at worst, although it was 100% deliberate move, example of dangerous dirty driving.
@yolinkin
@yolinkin 11 сағат бұрын
lets not talk about max v lewis. i dont think i`ve got enough fingers to count the amount of times max has divebombed/moved under braking/ pushed off track lewis. the only reason why there werent more accidents is because lewis backed out for the sake of it. only once he stoped giving in was when incidents started happening.
@reddrummaster
@reddrummaster 4 күн бұрын
Norris demonstrated that he is not capable of overtaking on track. The only thing I saw were very late, torpedo moves and mistakes after mistakes. He needed to cut all corners to keep up in his faster car at that stint. Verstappen defended like we know him and what you should expect from a World Champion. When they touched, it was obvious that Max would close the gap (just like Norris did to Max during the start of the race in Canada btw). I don't know what Norris was hoping to achieve going on the outside of corner 3, it had mission impossible written all over it. Look at how Leclerc overtook Verstappen there last year to get a tutorial of how to overtake. So really a lot of waffling and stirring that Verstappen was too aggressive etc, whilst the real story should be that Norris just doesn't have the competence to overtake, whilst driving a much faster car. And for all the British haters, the way Hamilton catapulted Vertappen at Cobbs in 2021 was the most aggressive thing I have seen since I am watching F1 (since 1994). Dear Elvis, I love your work as a mechanic at Wheeler Dealers. Maybe stick to the things you're really good at? ;-)
@promo130
@promo130 4 күн бұрын
Biased britt, Max didnt even stear to the left, see the onboard, Peter windsor said it right
@51madmitch
@51madmitch 4 күн бұрын
Yes he did !!!
@NostalgiaFmx
@NostalgiaFmx 4 күн бұрын
@@51madmitch u watched onboard ?
@Richh_2024
@Richh_2024 4 күн бұрын
Fanboys he drove into him 😂
@trance9158
@trance9158 4 күн бұрын
You realize Peter is a Brit??
@WillHest
@WillHest 4 күн бұрын
@@trance9158He’s Aussie
@user-yt8kb8te1m
@user-yt8kb8te1m 3 күн бұрын
The fact is that Lando went too far with his nose diving, exceeding track limits. Max had to avoid turning in, to avoid a collision. He crashed into Max from behind. Lando's fault.
@davepastern
@davepastern 3 күн бұрын
wait, the same shit that Max did all 2021 season to Hamilton? Pot call kettle fucking black much? You Max fans are fucking idiots.
@yolinkin
@yolinkin 11 сағат бұрын
spare us the double standards
@arjanhhn1381
@arjanhhn1381 4 күн бұрын
Yes, how can you give your objective an honest comment when you are wearing a shirt of the England national team. And then your background at McLaren. In the fight between Max and Lando you see it a bit through English glasses.
@brianrasmussen2956
@brianrasmussen2956 4 күн бұрын
Meh, Max has always been a "rough" ,some would even say dirty, driver. I respect his stance, and that he is in it, to win it.
@sloppynyuszi
@sloppynyuszi 4 күн бұрын
I think that Piastri didn’t fall off at the end like he usually does, and made a late pass on Sainz which bodes well, but he has been clearly second fiddle to Norris. The media sucks though. Norris was a fair distance behind Carlos in his first two seasons in F1, and unlike him Carlos was new to the team. Everyone was singing Norris praises then already. I thought Oscar would have started his F1 career better, but he is getting better, and like Max had to get over his recklessness to become a top driver, Oscar is just managing his tires away from being on that level.
@aubanurmi
@aubanurmi 3 күн бұрын
What on earth this is with Piastri? Didn't he just pass Norris on saturday? He has been dangerously close in every race, except Barcelona where the team found a floor damage. Norris is a great driver and Piastri is right around the corner. Mclaren has the most brilliant pairing with Piastri and Norris and if Ferrari doesn't pick up the pace and Perez continues to fight wih the middle, they're gonna be team champions in the end of the season because they both are bringing constant points. Piastri reminds me a lot of Kimi Räikkönen. Calm and smart, not flashy like Alonso but damn near there. He is still learning, hope he doesn't face similar unluckyness that Kimi had.
@sloppynyuszi
@sloppynyuszi 3 күн бұрын
@@aubanurmi Piastri is a great talent, win 3 major championships on the trot into F1. He has been clearly second to Norris, and his Achilles heel has been tire management. In Monaco he dropped a bunch to Leclerc at the end. In the sprint he was dropping off and clearly holding back Norris. And it has been the case most of the times where he drops off at the end. This Austria feature race was the exception not the norm. He still has a ton of promise. Not sure why you jumped to the negatives so early. I clearly compare him to Max’s start. And said this could be a turning point.
@aubanurmi
@aubanurmi 2 күн бұрын
@@sloppynyuszi I read your comment better and I realized I jumped to my conclusions too fast. Thank you for correcting me. 👍
@opinionsarelike3865
@opinionsarelike3865 3 күн бұрын
Dude, watch the analysis by Cameron and Peter Windsor. Your boy Lando Norris was overtaking like a rookie and Max wasn’t moving under breaking, he was exactly following the curve. Everyone every year every time takes that curve that way, it is supposed to be taken that way. Stewards are punishing to outcome and not to offense. That is erratic and purely wrong.
@rnichol22
@rnichol22 2 күн бұрын
How can you say he wasn't moving he literally drifted to the left. That's moving under braking you div. Max is reknown for it and it's because if him the rule us now enforced lol
@opinionsarelike3865
@opinionsarelike3865 2 күн бұрын
@@rnichol22 the track moves slightly to the left before turning to the right. He was exactly following the track. That shouldn’t be considered “moving”. He was giving Lando an ocean of space yet somehow he managed to crash into him.
@aubanurmi
@aubanurmi 4 күн бұрын
The Piastri view is weird. Piastri was second two times in a row and would have won if not the penalty.
@Redlingstein
@Redlingstein 3 күн бұрын
If his mum had balls she would be his dad… STOP THESE DELUSIONS!!!!
@Redlingstein
@Redlingstein 3 күн бұрын
He would NOT HAVE WON. HE DIDNT. HE WASNT THERE.
@aubanurmi
@aubanurmi 3 күн бұрын
Yes, but my bewilderment was toward Marc Priestley, no way Piastri is outshined by Norris like he says. Piastri is showing growth while Norris has been too desperate.
@MrNanoPlankton
@MrNanoPlankton 4 күн бұрын
Peter Windsor seems to have less non-bias view of the situation?
@martingonzalez2850
@martingonzalez2850 4 күн бұрын
I enjoy listening to both. Although Peter Windsor has an in-built bias to Lewis Hamilton.
@VamsiBattineni
@VamsiBattineni 4 күн бұрын
He didn't analyse all the corners. He safely chose those bits where it suited he can defend Max. Peter is caring more about his views and clicks.
@bjrnchrstn
@bjrnchrstn 4 күн бұрын
@@VamsiBattinenielvis didnt analyze anything at all. Just his brit bias that you seem to swallow all too easily since it suits your narrative.
@ajegelin
@ajegelin 4 күн бұрын
You are allowed one move, if max moves one meter before braking, it’s still legal
@MartinRiggs1820
@MartinRiggs1820 4 күн бұрын
@@ajegelin What move? Telemetry showed he didn't turn his wheel to the left. There's nothing inherently wrong with moving under breaking.
@RaySpillane
@RaySpillane 4 күн бұрын
Yes, George definitely 'lucked out' but to quote a phrase once used by your old boss Ron Dennis - 'To finish first, First you have to finish'.
@fuzzy1dk
@fuzzy1dk 4 күн бұрын
9:28, Fernando got fastest lap
@vaughnhoplamazian5209
@vaughnhoplamazian5209 4 күн бұрын
With no points for it. Bad F1 rule. Must be in the top 10 to get a point for it.
@Lars-rj9en
@Lars-rj9en 4 күн бұрын
@@vaughnhoplamazian5209 no, of course not. All the Zhou's, Mazepin's and Latiffi's of the world would put on softs in the final lap to scrape up some points. Just imagine all the accidents. It's a great rule.
@fuzzy1dk
@fuzzy1dk 3 күн бұрын
@@vaughnhoplamazian5209 it's not a bad rule, without it none of the back markers would bother racing for positions, they'd just try to get fastest lap
@advocaten-nl
@advocaten-nl 2 күн бұрын
Marc Priestley's comment completely changed my worldview, and how I view max Verstappen and Lando Norris, and after discovering his profound filosofies I will now give away all my worldly goods and will travel around the world barefoot...
@madtrade
@madtrade 4 күн бұрын
my god the brits may lack petrol but they sure as hell got a load of salt
@chriscollins550
@chriscollins550 4 күн бұрын
The Dutch media are saying the same thing so is the French and German. They all can't be wrong.
@yashguha9500
@yashguha9500 4 күн бұрын
@@madtrade do you by any chance have a mirror close by?
@judsonzimmerman8831
@judsonzimmerman8831 4 күн бұрын
The Dutch said it’s Verstappens fault. Peter Windsor had a great race analyses, check it out.
@quigglyz
@quigglyz 4 күн бұрын
I’m a salt miner and these incidents make me very wealthy
@paperplane-db8qf
@paperplane-db8qf 4 күн бұрын
The Brits won in the end anyway. It’s the stupid Verstappen fanboys just lying and changing reality and being hypocrites.
@Braselton21
@Braselton21 4 күн бұрын
*Impatience & poor decision making from Lando sending it around the outside* Go back & watch Max vs Sainz Lap 26 of Austria 2023. Sainz moves under braking, Max backs off, puts his wheel 'off track' Uses DRS to pass on the next straight for a clean overtake.
@daviddickinson6346
@daviddickinson6346 4 күн бұрын
Marc why can't i use seedstream is it my phone being a 2017 Samsung. I have the latest Android update but still not compatible. Cheers Dave
@welern2liv815
@welern2liv815 4 күн бұрын
Johnny Herbert is such a nice peaceful man
@jazpirozleehan
@jazpirozleehan 4 күн бұрын
All the great champions I can remember have been ruthless and have incurred in this kind of questionable behavior Hamilton , Schumacher, Senna,
@F1Elvis
@F1Elvis 4 күн бұрын
Yes, almost all. Never been the case with Hamilton interestingly.
@pauillacwine263
@pauillacwine263 4 күн бұрын
@@F1Elvis Yeah, Silverstone wasn't on purpose ofcourse.
@ab8jeh
@ab8jeh 4 күн бұрын
​@@pauillacwine263Silverstone was the result of being bullied on track for several races by Max's driving style and then basically having enough of it.
@pauillacwine263
@pauillacwine263 4 күн бұрын
@@ab8jeh Hamilton was humiliated in the sprint race the day before. He couldn't handle it anymore, just like Lando couldn't handle it in Austria after being beaten fair and square in Canada, Spain and Austria sprint. The thing is, if you're a non British driver, it's barely impossible to be treated objectively. Ask Schumacher, ask Alonso, ask Vettel. It's pathetic.
@ab8jeh
@ab8jeh 4 күн бұрын
@@pauillacwine263 Hamilton is washed these days completely agree. What's that got to do with what I'm saying from 2021? Drivers need to stand up to bullies like Max if their team keeps facilitating them. Guy is surrounded by yes men.
@tomtomdrums5945
@tomtomdrums5945 4 күн бұрын
I think it was max his fault but you can tell lando is very impatient and wants it too much almost desperate and ofcourse a lot less experienced, dive bombing his car all the time in that corner
@BJArkies
@BJArkies 2 күн бұрын
There is no rule on moving under breaking
@ricardodijkhoff5520
@ricardodijkhoff5520 3 күн бұрын
Please stop it. Please take a look a at the race without being biased. Lando and Max were both mega aggresive. Looking at the telematry Max did not move while braking. My respect for Lando dropped a lot for not being reflective on his own performance. Both were at fault. Let's not point fingers.
@danellis-jones1591
@danellis-jones1591 3 күн бұрын
Max said he didn't move under braking. He said he brakes and then moves. That's an interesting perspective! The intent is moving in the braking zone, not whether or not your foot is in the brake.
@PaulKoelman
@PaulKoelman Күн бұрын
Are you explaining the rules to Max? 😂😂😂
@danellis-jones1591
@danellis-jones1591 Күн бұрын
@@PaulKoelman Yeah! Cos I'm much better at F1 than Max! 😆😆😆 I get your point. But it did seem splitting hairs.
@Lars-rj9en
@Lars-rj9en 4 күн бұрын
There is a reason why Max is at 61 GP victories: elbows out and, if necessary, knives out. Schumacher and Senna were no different.
@davepastern
@davepastern 3 күн бұрын
Max is a cheat that the corrupt FIA stewards won't seemingly punish. His behaviour is shameful.
@paulguitar100
@paulguitar100 3 күн бұрын
But other great drivers have won without being dirty.
@WH0oo...
@WH0oo... 2 күн бұрын
@@paulguitar100not as much, lol
@paulguitar100
@paulguitar100 2 күн бұрын
@@WH0oo... Hamilton has many more wins and his racing has been WAY cleaner. In the past we had fewer races, therefore drivers had fewer wins, but Prost, Hakkinen, Fangio, Clark, Andretti, Mansell, etc were much cleaner drivers. Verstappen's behaviour will tarnish his legacy. It's a shame, he has enough talent not to have to do this.
@WH0oo...
@WH0oo... 2 күн бұрын
@@paulguitar100 VER on pace to exceed HAM. First seven years, each have 3 WDC. However, VER started younger. If, VER wins '24 WDC, he ties VET with 4 consecutive titles and clips HAM. Anyway, it was a professional foul.
@Gecmajster123456
@Gecmajster123456 4 күн бұрын
impeccable driving from Norris == Leaving the track 4x Lo0oL
@Stantube1000
@Stantube1000 Күн бұрын
5 times actually. his 5th offence was T1 lap 63, just a lap before the contract.
@nikitavanhoose405
@nikitavanhoose405 4 күн бұрын
This race sums up why, as an American , I just can't get into, or take F1 seriously. First and foremost, I've never seen a racing sport, other then F1 where they can't figure out giving penalties till hours after the race sometimes. Lando actually ended up with a 5 second penalty, which had that been enforced emedietly, Lando wouldn't even been close enough to pass in the first place. Also, this stupid rule F1 has about a car in the lead and on the inside, must give a car trying to pass enough room........what??? That's against the very essence of auto racing. In American racing, if your behind a car, and you want their position that they earned and is rightfully theirs, then you've got to earn that position the hard way. A car in the lead has every right to that lead and shouldn't have to do anything to help the car behind get by. And another stupid rule is the one of making defensive moves under breaking. Does F1 want more fighting or just more passing, and why do these cars still have DRS? These drivers and new cars have proven over and over again that the new cars can pass with traditional slip stream. DRS has made drivers lazy, and is hiding some drivers lack of talent. If anything from this whole event was dangerous, then in my personal opinion, it was the crazy speed differential that Lando had from DRS as Max was about to turn in and came dive boming in like gang busters. It's not realistic, talented passing, it's a lazy button you push to get a crazy speed differential and takes zero talent. And boy are F1 drivers soft and sensitive, and babyfied. In America, when it comes to racing, we have a saying...."Rubbing Is Racing!
@ab8jeh
@ab8jeh 4 күн бұрын
The moving under braking, don't agree there sorry. It's to prevent airplane like crashes up the rear wheels and cars flying into the crowd. Almost happened in indycar a few times, hence those rear wheel farings for a while. Very late moves after a car has committed are highly dangerous in Motorsport.
@Gez492
@Gez492 4 күн бұрын
But here you are🤫
@Kleyworks
@Kleyworks 4 күн бұрын
Agreed. Dutch here. Norris complains he should have won several times 'because I have a faster car' and 'Max let me down'. He can't overtake that well so he crossed track limits to gain time and a closer DRS to just pass by.. The cars are to big and heavy, smaller lighter cars would make a bigger difference again. All these babies are such hypocrites watching and playing action games and movies all the time - no problem there with kicking ass.
@bitemyshite
@bitemyshite 4 күн бұрын
Tbh you sound pretty ignorant towards the sport to be ranting about it.
@bitemyshite
@bitemyshite 4 күн бұрын
and isn't it funny how every argument boils down to "In America we..." if you're American. America is culturally isolated for a reason, sunshine.
@Rockstar-vk1pr
@Rockstar-vk1pr 4 күн бұрын
I wanted to talk about what happened between Norris and Verstappen in the recent races. I understand there's a lot of tension around these incidents, especially with the media coverage. There are two main things that seem to be bothering all: Norris' driving: You feel his moves towards Verstappen, like pushing him to the grass in the last race and the dive bomb yesterday and today, were too aggressive and potentially dangerous. Penalty and bias: You believe the FIA took too long with the penalty for Norris, and there's a bias towards British drivers? It would be great to chat about these points: Reviewing the incidents: We could look at replays and discuss the maneuvers from a racing perspective. Were they within the rules, or were they overly aggressive? Penalty details: Maybe we can discuss on why Norris didn't serve the 5 second penalty? Which means does he have to serve the pentaly in next race or British media or fans will say it's ok, we can ignore this one. Media coverage: Let's talk about how media portrays these situations. Do you think there's a national bias, or is it more about the specific incidents?
@martingonzalez2850
@martingonzalez2850 4 күн бұрын
As a Brit, there does seem to be a national bias against Verstappen from those who work at Sky.
@PixelProfessor
@PixelProfessor 4 күн бұрын
Wasn't Johnny Herbut one of the stewards today? He's a bias Brit. Yes, I'm a Brit, but I agree with Peter on this. LN was too dive bomb happy, and was determined to get past, by what ever means.
@ab8jeh
@ab8jeh 4 күн бұрын
Yawn stop going on about British Media. Max has been allowed to get away with terrible driving for years, he even got a championship because of it.
@sultanoftippoo3857
@sultanoftippoo3857 3 күн бұрын
@@PixelProfessor he must have worked really hard then to convince the other three non Brit stewards in Austria to agree Max was to blame for the incident.
@s1bulka
@s1bulka 3 күн бұрын
Look, Ive been fan of you for years and know you have a soft spot for Mclaren, but I think you should have taken a step back and calmed down before posting. There is NO rule about moving under braking. The rule you are talking about got removed 3 GPs later after it was introduced (funnily enough, only driver who got penalized for it was Seb, not Max). As with everything in F1, all we have at this point are very ambiguous and grey area rules which state that dangerous, erratic etc. moves can be reported to stewards. You need to step back and calmly rewatch the "incident." I think Peter Windsor covered it well. Max did not move under breaking, there was pretty much no steering wheel input. The corner itself naturally curves to the left a bit. Secondly, it was fairly standard incident, drivers squeeze eachother and move under braking ALL THE TIME. Hell, we have multiple examples of the exact corner with Max & Sainz, Lewis & Seb which were both much worse. Did Max technically deserve penalty? Yes. But the incident itself wasnt bad at all, it just had a huge consequence. I am 100% confident that if they didnt get punctures, this wouldnt have resulted in penalty. It was good close racing, they were both pushing the limit. Landos divebombs were the type that Max got crucified for in 2021. The response and collective meltdown from mainly British fans is insane. Just a week ago we had Leclerc & Stroll both cause collisions out of spite. Lando himself pushed Max to the grass which was 10 times more dangerous than any move this weekend, yet people laughed it off. I really hope this is a one off video and I dont have to unsubscribe from a channel that Ive otherwise enjoyed for years.
@bitemyshite
@bitemyshite 3 күн бұрын
you big fanny "i really hope I don't have to unsubscribe from a channel that posts views I don't 100% completely agree with" wring your knickers out treacle
@whatshendrix
@whatshendrix 3 күн бұрын
This ^
@MartinRiggs1820
@MartinRiggs1820 3 күн бұрын
@@bitemyshite You provide no arguments whatsoever. Keep calm, Brits. Stewards will protect your golden goose
@aubanurmi
@aubanurmi 3 күн бұрын
I am a Lando fan myself, it was heartbraking to see him so down afterwards but in a word by Verstappen himself, my god you can't overtake him by divebombing. Note: I hated it when he was doing it to Lewis, still respect the guy and his skills.
@bitemyshite
@bitemyshite 3 күн бұрын
@@MartinRiggs1820 send me your dealers number bro
@faizul541
@faizul541 4 күн бұрын
Reminds me of Michael Schumacher tricks
@FishTillYouDrop
@FishTillYouDrop 3 күн бұрын
Obviously the answer is YES. He received a penalty from the stewards. The question is "was a penalty sufficient and how do we stop a driver acting in such a way in future".
@nieko3038
@nieko3038 4 күн бұрын
Atleast things getting spicy again. Max complaining when someone races him elbows out. Let’s goo😂
@JB-xd9dr
@JB-xd9dr 4 күн бұрын
quick question please Marc. As you say Merc are on a pathway to unlocking the potential of their cars, but, do they have sufficient budget remaining to actually explore it? Is there any way to know that? How much (% of budget) will they have already spent to get to where they are now?
@J-DUB-F1
@J-DUB-F1 4 күн бұрын
Honestly this is nothing new in F1..... it was inevitable. Max hasn't been challenged like this since he won his first title. And back then it was just like this with him and Hamilton. Regardless of how much he's matured, deep down he's still max who does not want to be passed by anyone. Friends or not Lando has his number, and it's going to get ugly. He was certainly being very aggressive diving in at the last second, but who hasn't done that?. I might put a little more blame in Max, but Lando can carry at least some responsibility for it.
@PixelProfessor
@PixelProfessor 4 күн бұрын
I think MV and CL was duelling a fair bit first half of 2022, after the RB DNFs first few races, or did you miss the 2022 season?
@tarikviaer-mcclymont5762
@tarikviaer-mcclymont5762 4 күн бұрын
​@PixelProfessor those were mutually running each other off of the track, there was no moving under braking
@presceltolives2076
@presceltolives2076 4 күн бұрын
Lando has won ONE race. One. Also, Max had him smoked if not been for that crap pit stop. You English have your heads way too far up your…
@MartinRiggs1820
@MartinRiggs1820 4 күн бұрын
@@tarikviaer-mcclymont5762 What's wrong with that? Nothing
@quigglyz
@quigglyz 4 күн бұрын
Yum, please keep crying. I enjoy your years 🤤🤤🤤🤤
@simonroberts2850
@simonroberts2850 4 күн бұрын
Are some confusing the “braking zone” with actual braking…. Seems max did in interview saying “only i know when l’m braking”. (Apart from the telematics of course) but the rule is no moving in the braking zone….NOT no moving when you’re braking. Moving when you’re braking doesn’t affect others as much as moving when others are braking is dangerous. Total difference. He was in the braking zone and moved - broke the “verstappen” rule remember the rule created because Max does this.
@quigglyz
@quigglyz 4 күн бұрын
Yummy British tears 😋🤤😋🤤
@Franky46Boy
@Franky46Boy 4 күн бұрын
Max claimed he was NOT steering under braking. I had moved my steering wheel and then braked. Or I had released the brakes and THEN moved my steering wheel.
@saby8765
@saby8765 4 күн бұрын
​@@quigglyzThat's exactly right. Always with a long-winded explanation served with a little bit of 'holier than thou' attitude. 😂
@michielbrouwer3606
@michielbrouwer3606 4 күн бұрын
Peter Windsor thinks he did not move under braking and claimed he could see on the onboard cam he kept his stearing weel straight.
@Xocolatben
@Xocolatben 4 күн бұрын
@@michielbrouwer3606 windsor is a liar.
@PaulKoelman
@PaulKoelman Күн бұрын
If you use your brain, it is simple. It’s motoracing. If you can put someone on the grass, you should take it like a man, or a boy in lando’s case, you must avoid a collision with two tires on the grass, or curb.
@azmidlyf
@azmidlyf 4 күн бұрын
I agree, we now have some actual competitive racing happening from top to bottom in the points positions. Norris was definitely out of bounds on his dive bomb move, but I believe that it was a result of his frustration over Verstappen's previous moves under braking and double moves. Stock up on the popcorn....the British Grand Prix is going to be a barn burner.
@tombardsley3081
@tombardsley3081 4 күн бұрын
Lando had every right to go for that move. He did that move in the sprint and made the corner.
@tombardsley3081
@tombardsley3081 4 күн бұрын
@@macman6107 I thought you were referring to the divebomb where he went off the track. If you’re not, then lando did nothing wrong if you’re referring to the contact where Lando is on the outside. Max left a cars width on the outside. Lando committed and was going straight and max moved across and made contact. Did exactly what he did to Bottas at Monza 2018 so it’s 100% Max’s fault.
@tombardsley3081
@tombardsley3081 4 күн бұрын
@@macman6107 there was no move that happened at turn 1. All the moves Lando tried were at turn 3 where the original dive bomb from the sprint was.
@tombardsley3081
@tombardsley3081 4 күн бұрын
@@macman6107 I was referring to the dive-bomb Lando made where he ended up going off the track in the race which was exactly the same move he made during the sprint. He was on the inside and made the corner in the sprint. He didn't make the corner in the race. The original comment was related to "Lando's failed divebomb" so I don't know what incident you're referring to or what your issue is. He was on the inside in both situations so they are the same. The only difference is Lando didn't get it right in the race
@azmidlyf
@azmidlyf 3 күн бұрын
@@tombardsley3081 I was referring to his dive bomb when he locked up and pushed Max off track.
@MurrayMaunder
@MurrayMaunder 4 күн бұрын
Oscar very unlucky not to get a lucky win. Sounds odd? Well the qualifying penalty was harsh. The lap 1 skirmish with Leclerc then Perez that went on, Perez lucky not to get penalty. Some classy moves, kept his tyres alive despite the dirty air. Not equal to Lando but plenty to say that his position didn't show how good his performance actually was.
@MrsKBeee
@MrsKBeee 4 күн бұрын
Agreed. Oscar is doing a great job and developing well. Marc comparing him to Perez is absurd!
@AndreSomers
@AndreSomers 3 күн бұрын
Against British drivers, there is no amount of PR that will ever redeem RBR or Max in the eyes of the hugely biased British dominated F1 press and pundits. That includes you @elvis. It’s a lost cause.
@Franky46Boy
@Franky46Boy 4 күн бұрын
Max claimed he was NOT steering under braking. I had moved my steering wheel and then braked. Or I had released the brakes and THEN moved my steering wheel. In that interview he said: “Only I know when l’m braking” If you have put your steering wheel in a different position and then apply the brakes, you still are moving in a different direction. Maybe the rule 'No moving during braking in the corners' should be better defined...
@bitemyshite
@bitemyshite 4 күн бұрын
It IS. Well actually it isn't. It's actually less defined than it used to be. It's more broad now to give stewards the ability to police incidents better. It used to be no moving in the braking zone, which was then expanded to; if a driver moves erratically or goes unnecessarily slowly or behaves in a manner that could endanger another driver, then he will be investigated. Which is also why Alonso picked up that penalty in Australia. “In considering the matter the stewards focused solely on the wording of the regulation which states: ‘At no time may a car be driven unnecessarily slowly, erratically or in a manner which could be deemed potentially dangerous to other drivers or any other person.’”
@Redlingstein
@Redlingstein 3 күн бұрын
The stewards have all data…they know exactly what he does and doesn’t do. Stop pretending you all know better.
@Franky46Boy
@Franky46Boy 3 күн бұрын
@@Redlingstein I just quote. I don't pretend anything... The stewards should make all these data public, so we'll know if Peter Windsor and Max Verstappen are right or not.
@HuibNederhof
@HuibNederhof 3 күн бұрын
Peter Winsor can't blaim Max Verstappen. Max didn’t move on his onboard, Lando ran into him Go watch both onboards! They tell the story. It is shocking how much hate max gets for being an aggressive and entertaining racer… the British bias reinforced by the media and broadcasters is absolutely ridiculous and this narrative will be poison in silverstone. I’ve seen so many drivers make on the edge moves and the reaction is so different, Fernando Alonso is a prime example and there are very recent situations you could refer back to. Max is a generational talent and he fights hard, that’s why every wheel to wheel battle he’s involved in is so exciting. British fans are emotionally unstable
@archielundy3131
@archielundy3131 2 күн бұрын
Delusional! The onboards show exactly the opposite of what you apparently hallucinated.
@jay2xdam
@jay2xdam 4 күн бұрын
Last week after putting Max three feet onto the grass: "Plenty of space" - Lando Norris
@phillydelphia8760
@phillydelphia8760 4 күн бұрын
Do you mean like what Max did to Lando immediately after the contact to prevent him from passing?
@chriscollins550
@chriscollins550 4 күн бұрын
Max was wrong then.
@matthewmanzi9504
@matthewmanzi9504 4 күн бұрын
@@phillydelphia8760watch that overhead. Lando was behind and max moved to the right and lando tried to shoot that gap but had to back off. Nothing max did there was wrong. Too many people aren’t getting facts before making proclamations.
@phillydelphia8760
@phillydelphia8760 4 күн бұрын
@@matthewmanzi9504 Max kept moving right when Lando was on that line, it looked like a pretty deliberate move to stop Lando passing. Especially as he kept squeezing him out when he knew he was there. Numerous evaluations by former racers etc have said the same, and they know far better than me or you. Verstappen made a mistake, and at that point was probably feeling some kind of way. So while it's not the right thing for him to do, it's understandable. It's an unfortunate flash of petulance on his part.
@quigglyz
@quigglyz 4 күн бұрын
@@chriscollins550but you think max is always wrong, so your opinion doesn’t count
@philips6182
@philips6182 4 күн бұрын
Max was questionable on some of the braking but in the contact incident he slightly moved left but I disagree with you saying he didn’t leave a cars width. If you look at the replay there was actually a lot of space still left for Lando. That’s my opinion anyway as a Ferrari fan I haven’t any bias on this just pain for Charles and relief Sainz got a podium hope Ferrari can improve
@klaatuzogran4503
@klaatuzogran4503 4 күн бұрын
Sky (Ant David) used video evidence, Max definitely did not leave a cars width. I assume there is also data showing steering angle and braking to prove movement in the brakung zone. He also ran Lando off the track onto the grass afterwards.
@MartinRiggs1820
@MartinRiggs1820 4 күн бұрын
@@klaatuzogran4503 Telemetry showed he didn't turn his wheel to the left.
@tombardsley3081
@tombardsley3081 4 күн бұрын
@@MartinRiggs1820he veered left . Lando was going straight so Max did move across
@bitemyshite
@bitemyshite 4 күн бұрын
@@MartinRiggs1820 yea but everyone's eyes show him moving left into lando's line. He's not stupid. If my car is pointing in the direction of your path and I drive straight I will hit you or "squeeze you" Drivers do it all the time in racing to bend the rules. You can defend once on a straight but you can also leave the car pointed towards the inside line or the outside line and drive straight and say you didn't defend because no steering input. You can also leave your car pointed to push someone off track and say you didn't steer into them which is what max did on corner entry and afterwards on exit when he forced lando onto the grass. If you're moving lines in the braking zone though the stewards are gonna look at it. He just drove straight because the car was pointed where he wanted it. Dirty driving 101
@ol4am975
@ol4am975 4 күн бұрын
Beautiful background!! Nature and F1 chat…. Doesn’t get better!
@DirtyJokesFan
@DirtyJokesFan 3 күн бұрын
Genuine question: Does anyone know if the Dutch pundits have automatic Max bias? I see valid comments of British bias, and it exists, but I’m curious if a direct people like the Dutch take Max’s side by default?
@RurouTube
@RurouTube 3 күн бұрын
One thing that I slightly disagree is with the statement that Max didn't leave a room for Lando. Technically, yes, he didn't leave a car width, so does Lando at the start of the previous race. What I'm saying is that 99.99% of the time, if you don't leave room for a full car width but still give enough room for the other car to be classified as being inside the track, the stewards will just ignore it, thus Max didn't really do anything that hasn't been done by basically almost everyone, even Lando himself. As for pushing Lando after the collision, like you've said, you don't know exactly what is happening but still persisted with the fact that Max being petulant. So basically you ignored everything about what you said about being out of control and lean heavily on Max doing bad things. This is low. The issue is not about leaving enough room or Max being "questionably" petulant, but moving under braking and you should focus on that instead of trying to piling up problems. There were already several occasions even after regulation being set about moving under braking that drivers didn't get penalized for that. This is the main issue. I don't like seeing driver moving under braking, but at the same time they never really penalize anyone that did it. At best, they gave a warning first. So if the stewards doesn't want to penalize those moves then it will keep happening and this time we see a high profile collision because of it. And remember that the penalty that being given to Max was not because of moving under braking but for causing a collision, which again highlights stewarding problem that something bad need to happen before penalty is given. Also that last race highlighted another ongoing problem which was penalty decision didn't come fast enough. While it is a lot better than in previous seasons, but it is still too slow, especially for something that should be obvious. Like Lando track limit violation, which the last one was super obvious but they only call it after the collision, which is useless. I'm using Lando as an example because it is high profile, but there are plenty of others that I think can be called faster, like Lewis crossing the pit lane white line on entry or Perez speeding. It is something that can be quickly called but still needed few laps to get the decision. This kind of thing definitely can affect the race (not always, but in a tight battle, definitely). In the end, it was 100% Max's fault. He got 10s. It is fair. It is much less worse than when Lewis punted Max. Max simply got lucky that he managed to still continue while Lando was unlucky that the puncture ended up the way it was, thus shredded a lot of his car. It is probably not the team that need to straighten Max but FIA where they need to enforce moving under braking more seriously because otherwise it is a fair game, which again, I don't like seeing it but it is what it is.
@kevinkgpk
@kevinkgpk 4 күн бұрын
Marc, outstanding review 👍😉
@DriveLikeAManiac
@DriveLikeAManiac 4 күн бұрын
How is it dangerous for Verstappen to brake if Lando is alongside him? Lando is braking later, and there's plenty of room on the left and in front of him. What is Lando's game plan for being so close, so late? Where does he want to go? If Verstappen had to turn into the corner, he would be turning while braking. Their rear wheels made contact; Lando was beside him, not behind him. I don't get it. There was a lot of track available. And if you want to overtake, shouldn't you avoid the car in front of you?
@goldspike1
@goldspike1 4 күн бұрын
Exactly...a racing incident to me.
@SputnikRSS1
@SputnikRSS1 4 күн бұрын
The moving under braking happened earlier when Landon was going down the inside and is a very dangerous thing. He moved to defend the inside line in the last incident but then swung back to the outside to get a better run out of the corner when the contact happened which is more than the one move you are allowed to defend.
@paperplane-db8qf
@paperplane-db8qf 4 күн бұрын
There isn’t room on the left. Lando was literally on the Kerb when they touched. Stop lying and changing reality. Max fans with their stupid propaganda
@DriveLikeAManiac
@DriveLikeAManiac 4 күн бұрын
@@paperplane-db8qf Are you saying there was not any kerb left? if he was prepared to go on the kerb for three inches why not another inch? If you look at how other racers have used that kerb you will see there is lots of room left. Or are you saying Lando had nowhere to go and crashing was the only option?
@s1bulka
@s1bulka 3 күн бұрын
@@paperplane-db8qf That kerb is very low profile, drivers can easily drive over it. You can find countless of examples on the internet about the same corner with exact same incidents. Last year Sainz pushed Max completely off in the same way, Max was pretty much completely over the kerb to avoid contact.
@ravai5229
@ravai5229 4 күн бұрын
Hey Marc, So Yuki got a fine of 40K for using the R-word. Apart from the fact that others have used it (Verstappen among others, even used the M-word (that sounds like the Mongolian nationality) which in the South of the Netherlands and Belgium is a normal swear word) with no repucussions at all, Yuki only started to learn to actually speak English some years ago when he started in F3. Before that, he only knew English from school. So I have two related questions. - Don't you think the 40k fine was too harsh, especially for someone who's first language hardly uses any swear words and thus for whom it's easy to mistakes around the use of these words? - Also, is the F1 paddock the right place to learn to speak properly? I mean, since he's based in Italy with his team and also lives there, he speaks Italian in his private surroundings apart from Japanese. So the paddock is all that remains...
@martingonzalez2850
@martingonzalez2850 4 күн бұрын
He ahso.
@ianmason3040
@ianmason3040 4 күн бұрын
Yes, its harsh - he's only repeating what he's overheard whilst here.
@weedfreer
@weedfreer 3 күн бұрын
Not to mention that RedBull, in Max's case at least, have used their allotted engine assignment for the year. Such incidents surely only lead to the potential that this will be breached. If not that, that a gearbox will be wasted through excess lateral forces being applied to it. Not sure how far they're through their gearbox allocation to be fair though.
@Slipstream_merchant
@Slipstream_merchant 4 күн бұрын
Oscar has only had 33 races and was screwed over in qualifying, so lay off Oscar 🤡
@aubanurmi
@aubanurmi 4 күн бұрын
that was odd
@sloppynyuszi
@sloppynyuszi 4 күн бұрын
@@Slipstream_merchant this comment reminds of the guy begging the internet under his bed sheets to leave Britney alone. He is a highly paid driver with lots of credentials. We can be harsh. To be fair the fact he didn’t drop off 20 seconds at the last 10 laps does show a sign of improvement. As for screwed in qualifying? He had all four tires off the track, what do you want the stewards to do?
@Redlingstein
@Redlingstein 3 күн бұрын
Oscar screwed himself. Period. Track limits is the same for all. Geez.
@Slipstream_merchant
@Slipstream_merchant 13 сағат бұрын
@@sloppynyuszi Big deal, he gained no time from it
@Slipstream_merchant
@Slipstream_merchant 13 сағат бұрын
@@Redlingstein and? He gained no time
@Vadjong
@Vadjong 4 күн бұрын
Oscar's face after the race was one big realization of 'What If' coming in like a sledge hammer. He learned something big that will awaken his hunger.
@Redlingstein
@Redlingstein 3 күн бұрын
If his mum had balls she would be his dad… STOP THAT IF 🤡
@Redlingstein
@Redlingstein 3 күн бұрын
Piastri hasn’t learned anything. H3 is always making if if if just as Lando,
@rakeshbhartipangotra8224
@rakeshbhartipangotra8224 3 күн бұрын
more of a Lando's spokesperson, fact is these British reporters* cant handle the fact that Max humbles them every damn time. Pathetic behavior !
@BelegCuthali0n
@BelegCuthali0n 4 күн бұрын
To be fair, I initially though it was 100% on Max, but I've seen a post on twitter where someone put it side by side with an onboard from some previous Austrian GP where Max comes up on the outside of Leclerc and Leclerc is moving left in the same way as Max and leaves a very similar amount of room. But Max in that instance moves left a bit further onto the kerb himself to avoid contact and then does the classic switchback coming out of the corner. So effectively Lando could have moved over a bit more to avoid the contact as well, so I'm leaning more towards an unfortunate racing incident now.
@MrNanoPlankton
@MrNanoPlankton 4 күн бұрын
there is comment out there that Lando was attempting this but the speed differential caused by the DRS caused the attempt to fail. I think that assessment may be accurate.
@QAZWSX545
@QAZWSX545 4 күн бұрын
Verstappen should’ve left a car’s width regardless. Not Norris’s job to just move outta the way
@DriveLikeAManiac
@DriveLikeAManiac 4 күн бұрын
@@QAZWSX545 there was a lot of track left. The track limit is all four wheels over the line, not only your left wheels touching the line, the curb is part of the track.
@ab8jeh
@ab8jeh 4 күн бұрын
You've got to stand up to bullies.
@ab8jeh
@ab8jeh 4 күн бұрын
​@@DriveLikeAManiacThe kerb is NOT part of the track for that rule. All the drivers know this.
@Aitmesss
@Aitmesss 4 күн бұрын
Whaaw.. this is a big UK driver's promotion video.. half of the point ar just half sided punching points before even real data.. Nothing bad to say about de driver's themselves though. 😢
@SafakYokolma
@SafakYokolma 4 күн бұрын
British biased…🥴 what a winers …the British media. Blind spot for Lando’s dirty driving. Btw…I don’t believe Lando is a real friend of Max. He always talks bad about Max in various interviews. He is also getting arrogant since Miami.
@chriscollins550
@chriscollins550 4 күн бұрын
OK the fact max and lando spend most of their free time together. It's not British biased at all. Go listen to the Dutch media they are saying the same thing as the British and so is the French and German. They all can't be wrong.
@davemis40
@davemis40 4 күн бұрын
Go elsewhere then
@ua697
@ua697 Күн бұрын
Yeah, Norris has 1 race win in 5.5 years and now he thinks he is next Senna 😎
@AZIFMIKAYRE
@AZIFMIKAYRE 4 күн бұрын
Max doesnt back down. The driver on the grid should know that.
@jonkerr2050
@jonkerr2050 3 күн бұрын
You’re the first person to address what I thought was the most dangerous part. Max trying to push Lando off the track while on 3 wheels. That could have killed someone. He no longer has a car that’s a second a lap or more faster than everyone and now he’s reverted right back to being the proverbial bull in a China shop. He’s a fast driver. But he’s also a dangerous driver when he’s actually under pressure. And he always has been.
@seano51
@seano51 2 күн бұрын
It does look like he tried to push Lando off track but Max might have been trying to get off the racing line. Cars were coming up from behind.
@jonkerr2050
@jonkerr2050 2 күн бұрын
@@seano51 I won’t say that’s not possible. But I think that’s really giving him the benefit of the doubt. Lol.
@WH0oo...
@WH0oo... Күн бұрын
@@jonkerr2050it's called a 3x WDC who knows every point matters.
@dco1019
@dco1019 4 күн бұрын
Priestly off the mark (pun intended).. you can see on landos onboard that he clearly has space. and hes wiggling the steering wheel in that braking phase to modulate the room he has to verstappen to which his car responds ..so he has room to the outside if he steps on the kerb a slight bit more and max isnt closing the door violently, landos just fails to respond properly/ he in fact tries to make it as close as possible himself. also what is he actually doing there divebombing the outside.. running alongside is risky. Lando once bumped perez off similarly in austria and said it was perez his own fault for being there. and coming in hot like that and being full alongside he cant do the cutback anymore either.
@dco1019
@dco1019 4 күн бұрын
also in terms of it being "very dangerous" its off the mark.. what max is doing is subtle line changes in the braking zone. and then straightening out the car again he is not violently closing the door so the result is inevitable
@p0t4toePotato
@p0t4toePotato 2 күн бұрын
acting as if this litte bump was as bad as hamilton and max in silverstone , or when max parked his car ontop of, almost decapitating lewis in monza... so many rules on what and how as if drivers are computers to be programmed..
@d.b.cooper1
@d.b.cooper1 3 күн бұрын
Is water wet?
@pimjcb9964
@pimjcb9964 4 күн бұрын
Max gained even more points for the standings. Simply lovely.
@ab8jeh
@ab8jeh 4 күн бұрын
Doesn't matter. He'll win the championship anyway this year, but he'll still be remembered as a child who never grew up. Maybe he will be an adult one day, but not if he keeps being surrounded by yes men.
@shouv
@shouv 3 күн бұрын
You r Landos child.
@rosschilds4263
@rosschilds4263 3 күн бұрын
The one where max went off track wasn't really a big thing though cause lando gave position back straight away.
@rosschilds4263
@rosschilds4263 3 күн бұрын
Seems like max can handle things when redpoll can give him a car that can stay out far enough ahead but when it comes to close battles he jst can't deal with that.
@user-cj8dn5ud6r
@user-cj8dn5ud6r 4 күн бұрын
Enjoying your opinions. I especially enjoy your commentary on the BBC. This weekend with Ben Edwards was terrific, with your combined knowledge and expertise. More please.
@mikewoodward5765
@mikewoodward5765 3 күн бұрын
These rules were brought in for a reason and the stewards should get their act together and enforce it as Max is doing this way to often when he’s got to fight to win.
@welern2liv815
@welern2liv815 4 күн бұрын
Who won last years Silverstone Sprint race?
@mekvanthoff4775
@mekvanthoff4775 Күн бұрын
No data indeed. Just insinuations in your vid. Few facts though. Max moved slightly. There was however more than enough space for Lando, he just didn't use it. He probably didn't want to move after his failed dive-bomb the previous lap. Both at fault I think. Racing incident at most.
@pistolpollie4059
@pistolpollie4059 Күн бұрын
Max’s steering wheel was straight during the braking zone. The circuit bends slightly to the right at the end of the straight.
@F1Elvis
@F1Elvis Күн бұрын
What's the sterering wheel position got to do with it? If your car's pointing at the edge of the track and you drive straight, you still run someone out of room?
@obscuraapit
@obscuraapit 4 күн бұрын
Lando nearly took Max out on two corners by coming in like a rocket completely out of control. Remember Lando nearly took Max out on Spain bcz tyre on grass is accident waiting to happen, Nico & Lewis crashed out on similar incident. This at worst is a racing incident bcz Lando was quite aggressive too.
@Redlingstein
@Redlingstein 3 күн бұрын
Well said
@blazjurgec5260
@blazjurgec5260 2 күн бұрын
And what will come next? Will the FIA ban the overtaking because it will be too dangerous in the future?
@TOMLINBISH
@TOMLINBISH 4 күн бұрын
The F2 cars had 17 inch wheels before F1 did & they seemed to be way more susceptible to impact punctures!
@philkakid5617
@philkakid5617 3 күн бұрын
Now that I've listened to the rest of the video, I must dispute your statement that the Maclaren was faster than the Red Bull. If that were the case, then why was Lando over 7 seconds down prior to the bad pit stop. If Red Bull had done their usual stellar pit stop, Lando would have still been 7+ seconds back going into the final laps. Lando's car might -- might -- have been faster, but Lando is not Max. Full stop.
@cornishcactus
@cornishcactus 3 күн бұрын
Like you I felt disappointed by Max more than anything. Over the last couple of years I'd really grown to admire his composure and skill, I was never going to be a gushing fan boy but credit where credit's due. Sadly, under pressure, real pressure, not just a one race blip or misfortune every one of his 2021 bad traits came out to play. Of course he went off track as Lando "forced him wide" It's his old trick of don't brake because you know the guy on the inside is going to block pass then claim you were along side and he pushed you off. The smart play is brake for the DRS line, then take the tight line and repass in 4, many others did that this race. On the collision lap he doesn't show much steering input so he can claim he didn't move, but he knows full well if Lando isn't on his inside he's on the outside and his trajectory was perfect to just close that door while looking in the inside mirror for SMIDSY bonus points. The move on the run to 4 after that was inexcusable, 3 wheels on his wagon he might have but he had more than enough control to get the rest of the way round the lap ok. That was Suchmacher Adelaide 94. On Lando's penalty, he got that for going off at turn 3 and exceeding his allowance, when Max pushed him wide and he gave the place back. . . you get penalties for being pushed wide now.
@richardwood9177
@richardwood9177 Күн бұрын
We need the battles! Racing! Too many years of drivers just driving off into the distance. Oh, the years of Schumacher & Mansell or Senna & Prost. The 60’s!
@zlm001
@zlm001 4 күн бұрын
I think this is the best take I’ve heard summarizing the situation with Verstappen. The white line and gravel trap need to be closer together at a minimum. Either painted on the inside edge of the gravel trap even the outside edge of the gravel trap. The white line needs to be outside of the curb on any turn with a gravel trap and as close to the trap as possible or outside of the trap.
@liggerz87
@liggerz87 2 күн бұрын
You prob won't see this but also look back at previous race starts you'll see max never lines his car straight he always has it at an angle and has been doing it for years
@fortressofsoliddudes4597
@fortressofsoliddudes4597 4 күн бұрын
Hey Marc - because it was all too easy to point fingers here, I tried to dissect exactly what happened leading up to the contact by investigating both onboards, and what I concluded was this: The guys are typically braking before the 100 meter mark into Turn 3 it appears. Watching Lando's view, just before the 100M board, Verstappen actually moves from left of center to the center of the track to the right. He had begun decelerating around 125M or so. The whole time approaching the braking zone, Max's onboard shows that his helmet is pointed to the left, no doubt looking at Norris in his mirror. Before the 100M board though, he turns his head to the right, perhaps expecting Lando to make a move there. Well Norris isn't there and never once made any movements to suggest that was the way he was going to go. I think the absence of Lando on Max's inside caught him off guard and he didn't realize that when he was braking he was also gently drifting to the left, which didn't happen until at or after the 50M board and that's incredibly deep into the braking zone at that point. It wasn't until Lando was fully alongside that Max even looked in that direction to see that he's there, and by then it was way too late. I was actually surprised to see this because I was fully expecting the move from Verstappen to be deliberate, but it didn't appear to be. Even if this wasn't the case, it would be a great excuse for Max to use and would probably quieten things down a bit between the teams, fans, and media!
@Selendeki
@Selendeki 3 күн бұрын
Alex Brundle and many others have noticed that Max was initially trying to cover a divebomb, and when he turned his head to the right he was focused on the apex. I agree with that from having watched the onboard several times, that it was simply an error for Max that he didn't know Norris was there. Racing incident, simple as.
@iemandnogwat814
@iemandnogwat814 4 күн бұрын
Max didn't move under breaking. He steered the car slightly to the left and after that started breaking in a straight line. Because that straight line goes slightly to the left of the track it looks like he is moving under breaking but really is not. Norris is the one who hits Verstappen first and Verstappen already has a puncture when they hit each other for the second time. The stewards only seem to have looked at the second time they hit each other and gave Verstappen a penalty for that. In my opinion it is Norris who was driving dangerously during this race with several dive bombs on Verstappen.
@chriscollins550
@chriscollins550 4 күн бұрын
Untrue go watch the Antony Davis analysis the data. Max turns he's wheel three time's before the corner moving over then moving again when lando try a different line.
@FlintDB
@FlintDB 4 күн бұрын
Because verstappen never dive bombs…
@matthewmanzi9504
@matthewmanzi9504 4 күн бұрын
The overhead shows that this is correct. Too many people are going off the regular shot and not seeing what actually happened.
@MartinRiggs1820
@MartinRiggs1820 4 күн бұрын
@@chriscollins550 What move? Telemetry showed he didn't turn his wheel to the left.
@chriscollins550
@chriscollins550 4 күн бұрын
@@MartinRiggs1820 no it doesn't. He turns he wheel two times in the corner and three times coming up to the corner. The fia have even released a repot. But then you would probably argue with them too and the data.
@marcelanalbers
@marcelanalbers 4 күн бұрын
Moving in the breaking zone? There are a a lot of other experts who disagree, obviously the stewards disagree. Let's agree that we have seen great racing from two great race drivers. Bring on the rest of the season!
@elwalker9034
@elwalker9034 4 күн бұрын
Good to see ya bud, still walking that field. Nice to see the doggies again as well.
@just-a-yt-guy
@just-a-yt-guy 4 күн бұрын
Verstappen has shown in 2021 that he will try and stop someone who he sees as a competitor for the championship, getting past him by almost any means. As McLaren have rightly said we are now living with the results of the stewards being far too lenient with him in the past (often when racing with Hamilton). We have not seen this in the last couple of years as he has had no real competitors to be concerned about. It will be interesting to see how it develops.
@MrRaymondo007
@MrRaymondo007 Күн бұрын
I am glad this is just your opinion its not mine so enjoy the rest of the season and let's see who comes out on top
@rogercorreia6292
@rogercorreia6292 3 күн бұрын
I thought max was clearly a dangerous. Even the one where lando locked up Max turned slightly into landos line and lando had to also adjust slightly. He may have locked up anyway but max certainly knew he was making it harder for lando. I remember max doing this to Ricciardo when they were teammates several times and then again in his battles with Lewis. Max is a very dangerous driver.
@pleclerc1
@pleclerc1 4 күн бұрын
Agreed 100% with your analysis!
@glennarnold3970
@glennarnold3970 3 күн бұрын
well said marc on another note if you go back and watch the race again and listen to max's engine rpm on any of the drs straights and then listen to the 2 RB cash app cars the rpm's are not the same max's engine sounds like it revs higher i though manufacturers and those who buy engines are supposed to get the same since RB cash app buy engines and gearboxes you think on a drs you are going full throttle that they would sound the same i just found it odd that 2 teams with the same power plant 1 teams engine sounds higher in the rpm than the other and it is quite noticeable cheers glenn
@ua697
@ua697 Күн бұрын
I wonder if Diaper Don will be at Silverstone in order to support Norris 😎
@CGDeluxe
@CGDeluxe 4 күн бұрын
Max blocking Lando with no offside tyre - reminded me of days of thunder Movie when the two are racing the wheelchairs after the big accident not being able to let it go. F1 is back baby 🏁🛠️
@graemewilliams6697
@graemewilliams6697 3 күн бұрын
Ocon did the same as Max so a precedent had been set that Red Bull could have argued against any penalty.
@Emjackson89
@Emjackson89 Күн бұрын
The main issue was the second part of this incident. Max purposely pushed Lando off the track after the initial collision. That for me was completely out of order and dangerous. Max should definitely be punished for this particular part of what happened.
@raydriver7300
@raydriver7300 4 күн бұрын
Thank you for your knowledgeable, balanced report. Very refreshing 🌞
@davidtrotter3836
@davidtrotter3836 4 күн бұрын
Wonder if Lando can get better at the start?
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