Everyone takes Cleet at his word. He could be lying about falling out with Micah just like Arthur tells Milton he hasn’t seen Dutch in over 6 months.

If he really did try to save that girl, I do feel a bit bad for him, and he might have been seeing the light.

wasn’t a good guy, he reminds me of a low honour arthur, a bad man but he atleast tried to change his ways in the end, unfortunately like arthur he wasn’t able to save himself

What John does is up to the player. Sadie became a psycho murderer after her trauma. She killed him in cold blood.

fun fact the actor who played cleet also played gerald mcreary in gta 4.

i couldn't kill him, i really couldn't. i believed Cleet because of how he was talking. he sounded genuinely scared. i felt genuinely guilty for the guy. wish i could save him :/

John can spare Cleet but then it's just Sadie who kills him.

I do think it's curious to balance Cleet against the themes of RDR2. From an outside perspective, John and Arthur would have been considered irredeemable as well. So it's interesting think about Cleet possibly having a change of heart during his ride with Micah. In the years that followed Beaver Hollow, he was pushed to his limit watching the atrocities Micah committed and finally walked away, similar to how many in the Van der Linde gang felt in regards to Dutch. Not saying Cleet is guilty or innocent but it's something to think about.

Arthur saying “vamos” to the germans jajajaj😂❤

Any one running with Micah that long is either a bad guy or a coward and Cleet is both

Yea this was a moment where it's not important to the overall story really, but I always have felt like it's auch bigger deal than the game makes it out to be. I couldn't do it, yea cleet runs with Micah but I didn't know cleet enough to decide his fate

Cleet was like a less powerful Arthur him telling John where Micah was hiding was his redemption

i still honestly felt bad when cleet was killed

The guy pointed a gun at me as Arthur, Ofcourse I killed him

cleet didnt know where micah was until threatened with death. of course he would lie

Javier on Guarma: thanks for saving me Arthur, my brother! Javier immediately on mainland: Don't talk to me traitor! I think rockstar screwed up by implementing Bills/Javiers/Dutchs hate Arthur script before Beaver Hollow in the swamp town.

If it was up to John or Charles Cleet may have been spared. Sadie was never going to let that happen. John even told Joe he just wanted Micah implying he would have let him live if he had just got out of the way. Charles also didn't believe Arthur would have wanted them to inact revenge on Micah.

Kind of unrelated, but still a topic that continues to confuse me is how Sadie seemingly gets away with anything. I mean it could be boiled down to just rockstar not having the first clue on how actual bounty hunting went down. For one while going after Micah she’s not operating on behalf of any issued bounties, she’s going off of “rumors” so killing Cleet would’ve gotten her a nice little murder charge. Where were the lawmen during that whole ordeal in Strawberry anyway? Idk I guess Rockstar seems to think Sadie can just tell the local law that she’s a bounty hunter, and somehow suddenly makes anything she does ok and perfectly legal. It’s a part of the game that’s always been odd, and really not believable to me.

I think that Charles Had convinced John not to go after him.

Idk if I’m alone in this but I don’t love the character of Sadie, she’s great in some aspects but she’s more of a violent psychopath than John and Arthur by the end of the main story

I usually spare him, if Micah hates someone, you shouldn't have to.

I look at it like this, Cleet and Joe were just loyal to theyre friend Micah. Imagine one of your old friends takes you and another friend into a new friend group, you know everyone for about a week then everything falls apart ofc your gonna be on your friends side. I truly think Cleet didnt deserve it.

everytime i replay i forget they exist

As always, the protagonists of RDR are BAD PEOPLE. People have such a hard time understanding this because they are incapable of seeing through presentation and actually thinking about the actions of the characters. Sadie and John are complicated people, they do good and they do bad, but to pretend like they are heroes by any means is silly. Both are violent murderers with a lust for revenge and little compassion most of the time.

There were a couple of things that made me think Cleet was telling the truth. One was that he tried to keep the gang calm when they were robbing the train and seemed to want to work together. The other was that when the final standoff occurs, I don't believe he actually targets Arthur and John. HOWEVER, its been year since I played the game all the way through so somebody else will have to let me know if I remember right. I think he's just the unfortunate victim of not having enough of a backbone to get out from under Micah's thumb until it was too late. However, that could have been circumstantial and he could've just been a lying manipulative weasel. Its all down to perception. You are the company you keep.

It’s times like this when the heroes of this game really ain’t much better than the villains they’re battling…Micah and his list of sins is vast and horrid, but hanging a man begging for his life isn’t much different.

I love author and Sadie and charles....something about there characters is just so well rounded and make me feel so wholesome.

Come to think of it, John and Sadie lynched Cleet publicly, was that allowed back in 1907? Shouldn't they hand him over to the law and let the court decide Cleet's fate?

Joes first appearance is in red dead online that takes place before the happenings of the main story

Sadie is honestly basically a female Micah. I like her character and I think she's well written I just wish the game didn't act like she was 100% always in the right

I never buy his shpeel about falling out with Micha. But i never pull the lever either. I guarrantee he would have run to warn Micha if the characters had let him go.

I just wonder why he never escaped, he got a lot of money from the last robery

Always thought Beaver Hollow imitated WV or at least VA. Im from WV and we have lote of places we call hollows, pronounced "haul-er". Even got one spot known to the locals as Swallow hollow, pronounced, swaller holler. Ill give you one guess what goes on there.

He saying the truth or not who we are (as the characters) to judge him when we probably did worse than him with all the killing, robbing and etc. And tbh even though sadie is cool she basically is female micha, reckless and got that cool balloon guy killed and bringed more heat to the gang because of her actions of revenge that even thought justified in some way it doesn't mean she isn't any better. And i honestly think she kinda doomed jonh for her seek of revenge to micha making it so the feds find jonh and he goes through RD1

Cleet was just like arthur, he was bad, he killed, he murdered, he robbed, but the last things he said he did like save the girl or have a fallout with micah may or may not be true and if it is true, that may be his “redemption” but that was not enough to redeem himself from his past sins, and died with a low honor, its like killing an o’driscoll who tried to leave the gang or change his way while realising the bad things they have done. he’s trying to redeem himself but he’s still a bad man, and is probably why when you kill cleet your honor doesn’t drop

I kill him every time. So all the outlaws have to pay for their sins except cleet? Hell no and I also don't feel bad for him either. In chapter 6 he told Arthur to go cough up a lung. He ran with Micah for a good while. If he changed then the good thing is that I sent him to his creator sooner.

My problem was that he takes a while to give up Micah. He only gives in when the idea of dying comes across. I didn’t trust him at all and killed him

Cynic video idea, what if it was Sadie instead of John in that hill in beaver hollow with Arthur in the end?

I do think Cleet was lying about falling out with Micah because he is dressed for cold weather and is hanging out in Strawberry kinda close to Mount Hagen, but I still feel bad for him and spare him every time.

I spare him, I think canon john would have, he also stated he was there for micah, implying to joe and others that he would have let them walk away if they did not stand in his way.

I spared cleet cause he told us what he knew, I was kind of sad when she killed him

It wouldn't have mattered either way they already got what they needed out of him killing or sparing him is merely just about morals really

If he fell out and hated him so much he should have given the information up willingly, not under duress.

*I feel like Sadie killed him because he's unattractive....*

I have nothing against Cleet. He never did anything to Arthur or John. He told John and Sadie the location of Micah. Sadie is just a psychopathic murderer with crazy bloodlust. Her character is a loose canon that’s no worse than Micah in that regard. I’d say she had issues before her husband was killed and she was taken hostage.

I don't know. You know what they say "Birds of the same feather..."

Cleet may have been an outlaw but I think he deserved to live. Sadie should’ve shown him some mercy and let him run free. I think it’s fair because he at least told them where Micah is

The only reason we have to NOT trust him… is because he was associated with Micah There isn’t a single shred of evidence as to his character either way, besides the reason why he has a bounty… something every member of Dutch’s gang is guilty of at the same time… What I do believe is that Micah would kill a little girl, what I do believe is that it would have to bother at least one person from the group and force them to leave like Cleet. What I think people get really stuck up on is when cleet says “I’m one of the good guys” of course he isn’t. I do believe he is not as bad as Micah and did not want to be involved with what was going down. Ultimately, you could be equally as right or wrong either way, so in cases like that… I do not play executioner, especially not to a man I hardly even know or knew and only have other people telling me what to think and feel.

cant tell if this accont is hyperfixated on red dead or if its a content farm. either way i like it

I never could kill Cleet. I felt like he was telling the truth.

Cleet got what he deserved lol. Not sure if you've done a video on this but if Hosea had lived to see Dutch's descent to madness how do you think he would've handled it?

I never really bought it because how hard did he really "try" to save that little girl Micha killed. Like if you really were trying to stop something so horrible from happening wouldn't you at least get killed to or would have been able to kill him right after he did it if it bother him so much? Never believed him.

The first time I let him go, but then Sadie seemed so disappointed that now he gets the rope every time. 😅

It would make for a good story in the next rdr if he's innocent. Bloody vengeance!

i think he can get a second chance.he left micah.he made a step in the right direction.

The only way cleet couldve redeemed himself is if he offered to go with John an them to get rid of Micah

Honestly the way I see it, He’s not known to be good or honorable. When they had the noose around his neck, I genuinely believe that he would have betrayed Micah to save his own skin, if he was lying.

Was Bill a better gang leader than Dutch?

For all they knew he was going to go warn Micah about them… so from their perspective they weren’t in a position for mercy. John was especially vulnerable with his ranch, at least Sadie wasn’t tied down anywhere.

nah i just spare him cuz i hate sadie

I spare Cleet just for the honor you get.

You should do a video about is the honor ending cannon or is the low honor cannon I want to know your thoughts

I guess he made his bed huh

Oh yeag i remember cleet going by cli-

I don’t think it matters. He’s still an outlaw who’s done who knows what over his life.

Was that low honor dialogue I heard when you showed daddies and athur chat.....I can't imagine going down that path by end game 😢

Sadie is and always has been a mid character

Lying or not, the whole point of the game is that senseless slaughter is what destroys Arthur and John in the end. They had what they needed from the man, but still chose to kill him. That’s dishonorable if Ive ever seen it.

Yes.

Apart from being Micah's friend what did he really do?

He was with micah 7 years, he is a bad guy and definetly has done horrible things

When people are in his position at the end they're going to repent as hard as they can to save their own lives if not their own Souls at the last minute. I'll take his pleas with a grain of salt.

Guilt by association. Run with scum, be branded as scum. May not be just, but the perception exists. And where is the empirical evidence that the event in questioned happened? Just Cleets begging not to die because "Oh, I did the thing"? Tough shit, dude. You get a ticket to the afterlife.

Cleet was just a mercenary, kind of like your character in Online. He worked for Micah and left when he went too far. Sadie killing him was just more hypocrisy, ham fisted bad writing to push "Girl boss" nonsense. I've said it before, it'd be a better game if she died with her husband.

We're going to need guns; Cleet and Joe know how to fight. Well that was a fucking lie 😂😂

He shot at Arthur. He dies

Sadie is just the worst.

hanging cleet as john feels out of character to me especially afyer replaying rdr1 after

To answer, given the lack of relevant information about him, I think you must presume what Cleet would do to John & Sadie if the advantage was switched, and it was their heads on the chopping block and his discretion deciding their fates. I think Cleet would hang them without any hesitation. I never saw anything to convince me otherwise. Especially if it was on Micah's orders or if there was something in it for him to gain. I think Cleet & Joe were, like Micah, the type of fellers who reckon "right or wrong" is basically the same as "win or lose". Plus, he is clearly very backwards & stupid. Hard to say "right" or "wrong" given the times and circumstances they all live in, those words had different meaning back then for all of them along with everyone else around them everywhere. Remember when professor electric chair tried to fry that guy? When it was all over there was a lady there, a normal law-abiding citizen who came to watch, and she thought it was "just a fine thing" that the man suffered so much during his execution. Right and wrong were much more commonly comingled and difficult to distinguish by everybody at the time...the law, the citizens, the outlaws, the military, the perps, the victims, everyone. After all, execution was a stage show as much as it was an exacting of justice. IMHO Sadie & John made the safe choice, and in those times that means also the "right" choice. "Right" meaning "correct" or "logical" more than "righteous" or "just". Else they likely will come back to haunt your future just as John and Sadie eventually do to Cleet, Joe, & Micah, John eventually does to Bill, Javier, & Dutch, and the Pinkertons eventually do to John. I am on Yosemite Samantha's side this time...which is not normally the case. Cleet's biggest mistake was not rolling over on Micah immediately. His knee-jerk response was to try to protect Micah instead. Despite not running with him anymore, as he claims. I doubt very much there was ever any falling out between Cleet & Micah. I think he was still in Micah's gang and loyal to it when they finally caught up to him. If they had caught up to him standing next to Joe on that mountain instead of isolated and alone in Strawberry, he would have been shooting at them rather than lying to them. He tried to lie his way out of that predicament. It didn't work. Simple.

They killed him for no reason

I didn’t kill him I spared and Sadie killed

Rockstar is going to watch your video… Red dead redemption three will be Cleet’s story! 😂

I spared him because he wasn't an actual bad guy, he still had morals

He still had no issues siding with micah and sabotaging everyone. Disrespected a dying Arthur. He deserved it.

Cleet did save the little girl, you can piece it together with dialogue Sadie has with John while talking about a massacred family up near Tall Trees, only one survivor, a little girl. He's not a saint but Cleet deserved better in the end ✊😔

either way killing in cold blood is against the moral code they used to have. cleet had surrendered, he was no threat. the morality of the matter doesn't really matter

Yes, he was a creepy little bastard.

Nah anyone who rides with Micah for that long can’t be good

John

yeah he shouldve been red dead redeemed

Honestly, I care very little if he's a saint. If he rides with Micah, no matter the reason, he catching lead.

Se

Why tf u defending Micah in so many videos, not really in this one at least

I think it shows how hypocritical sadie is. I always thought she was the one that snitched out john to the FBI.

Don't care, it was very enjoyable.