Did the Lone Woman leave some things behind on San Nicholas Island? ( West of the West) Part 1

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Tales from Califorina's Channel Islands

Жыл бұрын

Cache - After a 20 year quest to find a cave reputed to have been used by the Lone Woman, archeologist Steve Schwartz finally discovers the cave. Only to have his excavation efforts shut down by the Navy. This tale chronicles the turf war over the cave between archeologists, the Navy and various Indian tribes. It also tells the story of an amazing discovery of the Lone Woman’s ‘cache’ by Jon Erlandson and Rene Vellanoweth. And shows the over 200 artifacts they preserved.

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@grumpy3543 Күн бұрын

Oh my god. This was my favorite story. I have flown over that island as a captain on a flight to Hawaii. I looked down at that island so many times and told my passengers that they were looking at the island that was in their memories of the island from the book. Thank you for this. I will watch all your episodes.

@talesfromchannelislands 14 сағат бұрын

Glad you enjoyed…Every time I leave Santa Barbara I’m hoping that it’s not foggy. Over the years I’ve flown many times on big aircraft and small and never seeing San Nicolas… until I took a trip to Maui! I could actually see the full island… it was a wonderful moment.

@menarcanindians9370 4 ай бұрын

This is one of my ancient ancestors

@emeraldskye4494 Жыл бұрын

I just finished rereading Island of the Blue Dolphins, and this is so cool to see!

@talesfromchannelislands Жыл бұрын

There is so much more to be found!

@constitutionallyconscious165 13 күн бұрын

@talesfromchannelislands I hope you guys consult and bring tribal representation with you while surveying, data collecting CEQA, NAGPRA, NEPA and such.

@merk9569 5 күн бұрын

Unlike other books that I cherished as a child, I haven’t read it in the last 62 years. I still feel like I was with her and Rontu on that island and felt her pain. I researched her life as an adult and was horrified by her death so soon after coming to the mainland. Later, when I gave a copy to my daughters, I couldn’t bring myself to read it. I think that having grown up on an island with the love and support of my parents and siblings, surrounded by friends, I found her situation unbearably sad. It had a profound effect on me and I realize now it probably influenced the importance I place on loved ones. For me, family and friends were everything.

@gregoryallen0001 4 күн бұрын

i read it as a child then read it to my child! then i googled it aaieeeeee

@hybriddyneguy 13 күн бұрын

I built the missile test site out there in the mid 80's, I spent countless hours looking for her cave on my time off.

@talesfromchannelislands 9 күн бұрын

I would have liked to do that…Tell me more. Instudio8@mac.com

@hybriddyneguy 9 күн бұрын

@@talesfromchannelislands There were artifacts in the airport museum that were 10,000 years B.C. Beads and abalone fishhooks.

@HoratioNegersky 8 күн бұрын

Dude what, those fishhooks are incredible.

@reneemoreno8030 14 күн бұрын

This ancestral figure is "family". My family is indigenous to that area. Story is that there were "invaders" and our peoples fled to the islands or to the mountains. 🙏

@spooniesworld 19 сағат бұрын

Wow. Dr. Jon Erlandson was one of my favorite professors at the UofO. Great archeology class! Go Ducks!!!!☺️💚

@talesfromchannelislands 14 сағат бұрын

So cool!

@JohnViinalass-lc1ow 15 күн бұрын

thank you for so sensibly working these finds...the person who hid them must either have been the terrified owner, or the terrified thief, trying to escape discovery and judgement.

@kccorliss3922 16 күн бұрын

I was lucky to visit san clemente island. Incredible that people were there for 8000 years

@talesfromchannelislands 9 күн бұрын

What took you there?

@Quantrills.Raiders 5 күн бұрын

@@talesfromchannelislands a dolphin

@chuckb3489 4 күн бұрын

I know what took him there, a either a sea knight or sea stallion.

@doriancorliss3796 4 күн бұрын

@@chuckb3489 Actually it was a roughly 30 person contracted plane. Would have loved a helo ride though....

@maxdaly8185 4 күн бұрын

There’s so much to learn from these islands. Did the islands have Redwood trees? Or was this imported?

@talesfromchannelislands 4 күн бұрын

Yes! and great question.

@loveofsea1 11 ай бұрын

I recommend the book Shrouded Heritage by Tom Holm, it is an historical account of the early inhabitants of the island. I love that island, i've spent over a year anchored there since 1993.

@talesfromchannelislands 11 ай бұрын

Wow very cool. Where did you anchor?

@Zookysmom 13 күн бұрын

Read The Island of the Blue Dolphins by Scott Odell. The "Lone Woman" is the surviving sister of the brother and sister Native Americans last living there.

@marvinmartin4692 12 күн бұрын

Bare in mind that ocean levels were up to 400 feet lower during the last ice age! What’s under water now that we are literally missing!

@talesfromchannelislands 9 күн бұрын

Lets dive and find out!

@dr5910 Ай бұрын

I'm a Retired Federal Agent Fisheries, went out there on an abalone poaching/drug incident, very intresting area

@talesfromchannelislands Ай бұрын

Wow! I bet you have stories..How was the crossing to SNI. I am possibly going in early winter…

@dr5910 Ай бұрын

@@talesfromchannelislands I flew in a USN twin engine prop out of Pt Mague airbase, 1 hour flight approximately, I wasn't allowed to talk to other passengers

@talesfromchannelislands Ай бұрын

@@dr5910 Ahhh Gotcha...Well if you ever want to share your experience let me know. Instudio8@mac.com

@randomjunks1198 3 сағат бұрын

She lived there her whole life just fine. She got forcibly rescued so we could help her and she caught a funk from us and died. Good thing we helped.

@wmpmacm 2 күн бұрын

Very interesting. I was working on San Clemente Island at that time. I always wondered what San Nicholas Island was like.

@talesfromchannelislands Күн бұрын

As a contractor? I have wanted to set foot on that Islands to get my all 8.

@supremepizza3710 6 күн бұрын

Second Part is more informative with a surprise!

@mraeromech Жыл бұрын

So exciting. I’ve been to two of the Channel Islands and I like learning the history

@talesfromchannelislands Жыл бұрын

Us too!

@andrewferguson8032 Жыл бұрын

Amazing video! Where can I watch the rest?

@talesfromchannelislands Жыл бұрын

@@andrewferguson8032 Its on the Tales from California's Channel Islands. KZfaq does not make it easy. Here is the link. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/rs-oZ8yU2K_FomQ.html

@eatwhatukiii2532 7 күн бұрын

I’m really surprised they handled these things barehanded, when recent DNA testing techniques now allow for ancient DNA to be extracted from objects and even soil. We might have known who (ethnically, perhaps even gotten a family lineage) it was that hand-carved the pieces. Very interesting find, regardless. I look forward to seeing what else they find on the island.

@willbephore3086 Күн бұрын

I had the same thought

@conqueringlion420 13 күн бұрын

Greetings from the Chumash Coastal Native American Nation

@talesfromchannelislands 9 күн бұрын

Hello there!

@leighdee2084 7 ай бұрын

Awesome find

@talesfromchannelislands 7 ай бұрын

I'll Say!

@timetodopatriotstuff2315 Күн бұрын

The story they tell is so funny the artifacts have been there a long time getting rained on but if they didn't get it that day it would be gone for good 😂

@andrewblack7852 3 күн бұрын

Island of the blue dolphins

@Surfsail 3 ай бұрын

So we just be ignorant of thier importance to the history of the indigenous population of San Nicholas Island 😢

@peterdicker286 3 күн бұрын

Im British. I dont want to rain on youe parade but we find older things in our attics.

@talesfromchannelislands 2 күн бұрын

Never heard that one before…Thanks for the update and watching of course!

@amypetra5021 2 күн бұрын

Well La-Dee-Da 🙄. Stiff upper lips and all…

@willbephore3086 Күн бұрын

Can't tell if you're serious or joking but the interest here is the fact it's filling in a missing piece of a well known and loved story and local history. We only recently tried to eliminate the Indigenous here (it didn't work), unlike across the pond where it's been in vogue for much longer.

@AerialEscape 12 күн бұрын

15 yards away... Look we found a lone man's belongings!!! Now we have a lone man and a lone woman!!! What are the odds?!?!?!

@talesfromchannelislands 8 күн бұрын

Unreal!

@judyderieux8484 Күн бұрын

How special !!!!!

@talesfromchannelislands Күн бұрын

Glad you think so!

@jasontheflyingfarrierhays 14 күн бұрын

WOW 😮

@jamesetal7088 15 күн бұрын

Im married to a Norwegian. They are freakin Vulcans.

@talesfromchannelislands 14 күн бұрын

Ha…Ha..

@ericregenauer7595 4 күн бұрын

🖖

@ericregenauer7595 2 күн бұрын

@@jamesetal7088 live long, and prosper...👍🤞🫵👍

@simon-oy6um 10 күн бұрын

OOOOooo someones been here before 😮

@pappysproductions Жыл бұрын

Wow

@talesfromchannelislands Жыл бұрын

Agreed!

@flolot 7 күн бұрын

why dint you were gloves, are you real archeologist ?? or amateurs ?

@heard3879 7 күн бұрын

The name of this KZfaq channel has “California” spelled with the n and i transposed.

@talesfromchannelislands 5 күн бұрын

That’s what happens when you have a dyslexic editor.

@fernandochavez4312 16 күн бұрын

And then you took them back and reburied them, respectfully. Where they belong? Thanks

@optimusprinceps3526 Жыл бұрын

I have collected artifacts I've found lying around

@talesfromchannelislands Жыл бұрын

On San Nicholas Island?

@optimusprinceps3526 Жыл бұрын

@@talesfromchannelislands in the caves and canyons around Ventura and Oxnard actually 👍

@markthomas3730 12 күн бұрын

shouldn't these artifacts be photographed IN SITU before you start handling/removing items ? where did this dude get his Archeology degree..from a box of corn flakes ?

@julesgosnell9791 11 күн бұрын

What ? This is just 5 minutes of interesting video completely out of context - we're not told where the island is - we're not told anything about a "Lone Woman" or a "cave" or a hunt for the cave. Just that a couple of archaeologists stumbled upon something that they were NOT looking for - an interesting box, prob a couple of hundred years old, with some native treasures... - apparently a very important discovery, although modern ? not thousands of years old... - needs a lot of further explanation.

@heatherunicorn-sparkles1724 11 күн бұрын

Island of the Blue dolphins will provide context.

@talesfromchannelislands 9 күн бұрын

Watch “West of the West” on Amazon to get the full context. This is just Part 1. Meant for KZfaq viewer. Part 2 completes the story.

@carolalexander1429 4 күн бұрын

❤❤❤ an old time treasure chest. This is a great story!

@timberrr1126 2 күн бұрын

Nicholas Island is off the coast of Ventura County, California. It is between Santa Monica and Santa Barbara CA

@talesfromchannelislands 2 күн бұрын

@@carolalexander1429 Thanks for saying!

@LyVanToan-vn2tp Күн бұрын

He lo ❤❤❤❤😂😂😂😂

@fado792 2 сағат бұрын

How to tell a short story long.

@jimmcdevitt6084 12 күн бұрын

AND?……

@EbikeAdventures667 Ай бұрын

My ancient grandmother

@user-kl9ew8yc3o 4 күн бұрын

He wanted to save them ..😢.. that's so lame. If you were a little more 'emotional' maybe you wouldn't be so selfish.

@spacecowboy2k 12 күн бұрын

PAPYRUS!!!!!!!!!!

@jimherron5540 Күн бұрын

The age of the archaeological finds aren’t that old. They’re using proven wrong dating methods.

@willbephore3086 Күн бұрын

This is from very recent history.

@TheDocrick 4 күн бұрын

So good it appears fake. Hmmmmm

@cameronnovak 12 күн бұрын

5 minutes??? Thumbs down

@mikerilling6515 4 күн бұрын

Can’t spell California? 🙄

@Herbie11 Күн бұрын

I'm calling BS on this one! Oh please! a box burried on a cliff like that. Nonsense! The box would have been buried so deep to be exposed like that on a sand stone cliff with how much erosion takes place on that island after that many years. I highly doubt some indian would take the time to climb down a cliff and dig for hours to put a few belongings in. This is a prime example of a college program looking for more grant money.

@jsmcguireIII 17 күн бұрын

This Vellanoweth is pretty obnoxious.

@IamWadeHeineman 10 күн бұрын

Very likely AI lies. My opinion

@constitutionallyconscious165 8 ай бұрын

As I understand the indigenous Nicoliños were slaughtered by French fur traders, and again at a later point in history, before Juana Maria passed in 1853, But it would have been nice to have tribal representation maybe from Tongva there with you. Doesn't really seem fair or in line with NAGPRA, NEPA, CEQA, to just have a bunch of non indigenous professors poke through someones most private possessions, and then write up a bunch of articles and publish photos of said contents. Beautiful artifacts, but a disgusting show of unchecked privilege. Most tribes dont want their precontact history put on blast by scolars.

@rebeccadeniston 6 ай бұрын

The Nicolenos are extinct, though. Is it better to just let their history rot? Also, these aren't pre-contact artifacts--the buttons indicate otherwise.

@Surfsail 3 ай бұрын

I think that she would appreciate her people's story to be told instead of forgotten

@Surfsail Ай бұрын

The Russians and the aluets wiped out the men of Saint Nicholas Island.

@constitutionallyconscious165 Ай бұрын

@Surfsail Just like every other Tribe in So Cal, they had an extensive complicated Clan marital system. Where they had to be married to surrounding clans. Just because they were on an island does not mean they were stuck there.

@Surfsail Ай бұрын

@@constitutionallyconscious165 you're correct they weren't stuck there The lone woman was I believe the history books sending word to the other tribes that they had no men left. Without any man their tribe would have died off anyways. The only people that we should be mad at are the Russians the fur traders. And once again I know in my heart that if I was of my people and I had left something behind that I would want somebody to see it find it and share it and tell our story. It is so tragic that their culture is not known by the other tribes or the rest of the world. So I think maybe you're just trolling cuz you're not really being sincere about your arguments.