I love how this is the only hacking controversy that doesn’t actually have a definitive conclusion

Hacked verification levels are probably the most interesting part of GD's history

I especially loved how aggressive he was with every single sentence he said towards his exposers. It really adds to the whole experience of that video.

7/23/23 Tosh is OFFICIALLY proven guilty due to found particles popping up in certain places, meaning that he used blue pads to auto some parts of the level. This justifies npesta’s theory that 54 blue pads were used in the level, also justifying the mystery of the devil vortex saws, which was so the level would have the same amount of objects as the original version. I had actually theorized that the level was macroed after the completion to remove some blue pads (I had theorized that it was 14 oddly enough using some terrible math). Tosh has FINALLY been banned from the demon list, and Mycrafted is officially the verifier of devil vortex. I think his video is now the official verification video for devil vortex, too.

5:41 he probably copied those 3 sawblades at the top and started copypasting them downwards. You can see the same pattern of big, medium, and small sawblades the more you go down

8:16 It's worth noting that Toshdeluxe was known to do this kind of consistent wave spamming back in those days. He did this A LOT. Not just devil vortex, but on a lot of levels.

moral of the story: dont play on low detail mode but tbh... that drama was like the funniest sh*t ever. and well... we shall never know what actually happened

5:36 That blew my MIND. No one's ever pointed out those three saws before, and now for the first time I could make sense of the Devil Vortex saws. I think those three saws _were a custom object,_ and after Tosh went back into the level, he dragged them across the top at 75%, and deleted extra saws until he got 54 objects. That's why it looks so bizarre!

I like how the main reason this controversy got so big in the first place was solely because the saws were placed funny. if tosh wanted to cover up auto with the object count, then he could’ve already done that easily with the unused boss fight stored above the level (like adding more glow to the laser attack or something). Using the saws like this would’ve been the most bizarre way of doing it. I really do think the saws mean nothing, and that he just copy pasted them on accident when he was fixing something in the level. It’s kind of funny how such a small thing can lead to something so drastic.

The hardest thing about this situation is it was streamed with audible clicks. The audio is replaced in the video supposedly for "higher quality" which does make sense as an excuse for the time because at the time there were those GD vids with like 6 background sounds and terrible audio quality. The thing that makes it hard to solve is nobody archived the stream so there is no way to check the raw footage's content. Also there's the fact that he was in a VC with RedHuseey who was making a lot of background noise such as typing which would make his reasoning even more logical. I do think he hacked it but the only person who truly knows is ToshDeluxe

At least Josh Deluxe gave us a funni haha meme.

One other thing is the saws add up to 54 objects and each set of saws is 6 objects. 54 is divisible by 6 and 54/6 is 9 so he could've just placed 9 different sets of saws above the level and claimed "He didn't wanna go all the way back to 75 to get them" and it would've made sense

you forgot to talk about the saws. so basically he had 54 jump pads invisible and the level'd go from like 8000 to 8054. when he publishes, he can't leave that part auto, so he fulfills the 54 objects with saws.

Tosh could’ve atleast hid the saws with a alpha trigger, or could’ve added extra deco that added up to 54 objects. There was a lot of stuff you could’ve done instead of just hiding the saws up there and hoping nobody sees it

The saw blades is obviously Tosh having the three saws selected and then accidentally placing them while trying to move to another part in the editor thanks to swipe mode being enabled. If you've ever built a level you've had this happen at least once and its annoying Devil Vortex is also bugged on 60 but not 144. This is why weoweoteo (another person who made an exposing vid on Tosh) was 'certain' that Tosh hacked the level because hes a 60hz player. This was before it was widely known that GD's physics change depending on your fps The whole situation is a clusterfuck cuz the accusations at the time were as bad as his response

Oh and another important point: Tosh didn’t spend a lot of attempts on Devil Vortex compared to the other verifiers in levels of similar difficulty. Tosh spent less than 10,000 attempts. For comparison, Sunix spent 35,000 attempts on Sonic Wave, Trusta spent 50,000 attempts on Yatagarasu and BoldStep spent 44,000 attempts on Erebus.

7:45 the wave makes particles when it hits the ground😳

For anyone wondering why low FPS allows for easy consistent spam, it’s because no matter where you click in a frame, the player movement will always (assuming that there’s no lag) happen at the same time: the start of the next frame. If I’m at 10FPS, clicking 10, 10.1, 10.2, and so on, seconds through a level will always have the player move at eleven seconds through, at exactly the same point. It’s like framerules from the original super Mario, and the bus stop analogy. Arriving at the bus stop is you clicking, and the bus driving is the player moving; no matter when you arrive at the bus stop between two busses exiting, you’ll always leave at the same time.

It's funny because tosh also added 45 objects above his version of unnerfed paracosm circles and unlike devil vortex they weren't custom objects of any kind. 45 objects is enough to auto most of the last wave in unnerfed paracosm circles which is the hardest part and just like with devil vortex he did not show himself uploading the level in his video.

“Hold my beer”- spaceuk

I also noticed Tosh's completion on Bloodbath where he clearly noclipped, but nobody in the comments even gave a crap about it. Lol.

It's funny that he says "You could argue that whoever beat devil vortex first after Tosh is the true verifier" when that is exactly what happened to Doggie with slaughterhouse after SpaceUK was exposed.

Question: why would he even copy blades instead of copying blocks within the level? Hence making it harder to detect

This video aged well.

This is my 2nd favourite controversy when i was really into the game, everyone knew tosh wasn't good enough to beat DV, but yet, nearly 6 years later, we still don't 100% have confirmation on how he hacked it. It's very likely auto, but only tosh really knows. My favourite verification controversy happened at a similar time with betrayal of fate by weo. No one talks about this anymore, but weo never had a verification video for it, however, weo was and still is highly respected. Is BoF hack verified? Thats a question that still lingers in my mind because there's never been any concrete evidence on either side.

I can't believe this drama I've seen from the very start has finally come to an end

I never understood the "Devil Vortex Saws" memes, so thanks for this video.

this aged very well and now we know that toshdeluxe isin't so much of a skilled player.

Great video! i was confused about the memes where there would just be the Devil Vortex saws placed at the end. it really cleared things up for me and i understand the scandal now. Thanks!

I grew up watching Tosh Deluxe, and this controversy always mystified me. Especially back then, younger me was like "theres no way my favorite youtuber is a hacker". Even after it died out, it still confused me. Anyways, thanks for solving this mystery. Now I know the truth.

Thank you for giving me a conclusion to this still "unsolved" case

5:30 actually, I have this bug for me in the editor, when I drag something it copies itself everywhere into a mess similar to that. Stacking hundreds into the same grid space

about the wave thing with the fps: of course you are more consistant at lower fps with it. to get this pixel perfect alignment you need to basically do it frame perfect, and well the less frames you have per second the more time you have per frame to hit it so it's easier

I've learnt a Very valuable lesson from this video alone. Never put anything suspicious on something before its too late. You're gonna have some questioning later. Answer it wrong and you're dead for.

I remember when this went down, with the sawblades and microclicks and everything. The most confusing part about it to me is why the sawblades became a huge community meme years after any of the drama was relevant.

11:23 bro still didn't let the sink in

I think they were placed there to comply with the amount of orbs that were making the level invisible auto, so they had the same object count

this is my comfort video and idk why

5:35 if you look closely you’ll notice the entire mess of sawblades is just that pattern of 3 sawblades copy and pasted. Not sure if that changes anything but it’s something to note

What I find super interesting as well is that the thing you pointed out (Being the 3 Saw allignment) is that the whole structure is just that assignment copied over a bunch of time

I find it hilarious that tosh comes back all of a sudden and we just go back onto him 🤣

what annoys me about this is that everyone gets hung up on whether or not tosh's defense about the saws makes sense or not, but he doesn't have to prove his innocence, they need to prove his guilt, and no one has made a thorough exposing that shows concrete proof as they have done with other hackers. i don't understand if they could expose noctafly or even Bo, why can't they expose tosh if he really hacked

another thing i thought was interesting: at 98%, after he passed the last wave, he does 13 frame perfect wave inputs in a row, which is next to impossible on high refresh rates, especially at high cps. its like this guy was trying to get caught lol

Hello! I have a few inquiries: When testing the consistency of the wave movements on higher and lower hertz, there was for some reason the choice to do it with the normal-sized wave, despite that the macro-accusation was made against ToshDeluxe's mini-wave movements. It may have made little difference, but I thought it would have been more accurate to try and recreate it as closely as possible. Additionally, it would have been preferable to use 120 hertz rather than 240 to more closely resemble the prerequisites behind Tosh's verification attempt. Other than that, this video was very well done!

While the verifications were undoubtedly hacked, the saws are one of the greatest gd memes, and for that I'm grateful.

The memes about the saws will never not be funny

finally i get why some meme reviewer kinda gets PTSD when he sees that pattern

"Stay outcof my head" -Sikky

Me who has known and played gd including using the editor for at least 5 years now: “Wait you can save custom objects?”

you said at the beginning of the video how the saws add up to 54, and npesta said it takes 54 jump pads or so to make the level auto. i think he did this because he showed the object count at the end of the video and didnt want there to be 54 objects less when the level was actually uploaded.

The fact is that Nepesta had no proof or idea what he was doing, but tosh responded in a bad way which proofed that he cheated

I didn't even know adding custom objects was even possible until I watched this video.

Glad to see you covering recent and relevant situations!!! 😁

I like this video, very thorough.

amazing video, as always! really cleared up some confusion for me lol

Thanks for explaining this case! I've always thought about this verification.

7:25 he sounds like a ai voiceover bruh

The thing is that the set of 3 saws is just below the level at 75, way easier to get than the ones at the top

Holy shit I remember the video when tosh uploaded saying he didn't cheat this level all those years ago that's crazy

Holy moly this is probably the most in depth investigation of a hacked verification I've ever seen.Good work man!

i want to make a meme where people just put devil vortex saws in all their levels or in the background atleast lol

5:35 I also noticed that that pattern is copied very messily throughout the sawblades. They seem to be copy pasted all the way down which is weird and I have no idea what to do with this info

just saw this video now but i have to say its a very interesting topic and good video ur very underrated, keep it up!

8:50 bros argument was literally "NUH UH"

I love how you actually used gd as an example to provide facts and evidence to prove and justify your points. Absolulety loved this video, it was awesome :D

Really good video analyzing an old hacked completion, which makes it very clear to the audience on why it must be hacked. I think this would be a great resource for modern players who weren't around when this all happened. I'd like to see more videos like this that teach the community hack detection methods, because it's really fascinating stuff.

what if he got bored and used the 3 saws to make some cool art

Thanks for covering this topic as alyways great video.

Annnnnnndddd.. he hacked it..

2:17 theres litteraly particles of ship standing on invisible blocks

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The Devil Vortex saws are (I'm pretty sure) rotating at different speeds, but even then it STILL wouldn't make sense because he could just change the custom rotation speed as he was placing them.

5:34 this is not only at the top, theres also the 3 sized ones next to each other in MANY places in the mess just watch

At 12:14 there is a hitbox right below the ship portal. I can’t tell if tosh actually used auto or if the creator just put it there

the thing is maybe for the saws, he probably had 3 perfect saws and was playing around with the saws spamming at 75% maybe to see fi they were good enough for the levels, and maybe he didnt know about the save feature on editor however, the buffed version he tried to verify was hacked

11:41 hey look it’s me :) Great video though, I remember when this was “verified” back in the day and all the controversies that followed, from some stuff with noctafly to the npesta situation. It’s nice to see this being brought back up with even more evidence to support the verification not being legit lol

Someone correct me if I’m wrong, Basically in the verification video he made he added the auto parts in the level, and when he “verified” it, it shows the object count. After he ended the video without uploading it, he removed the pads and replaced it with the saws in order to match the object count. I’m still confused on how he uploaded the level since he would have to attempt the level again after making an edit.

We still can't deny the level is beautifull

5:37 Maybe he was trying out the newer method of custom objects and just never deleted it? Its unlikely, but it's something i'd do myself.

i think its for testing the saws if its nice. the broken lined diagonal pattern reminds me of dragging stuff three sutff in the same line

Recently, The Verification Was Actually Proven TO BE HACKED!

So the stacked up sawblades is in my theory this; the game stops you from placing the same object twice in one grid, but it doesnt with custom object, so maybe tosh tested the custom object feature dor buffing ir? Idk irs my theory. Also very unknown info to me thanks!

It's crazy i remember long time ago when this was verified and I swear back then he was ass at the game then I saw his verification outta nowhere and was like "damn, aight guess he hacked it." I think everyone thought that back then but no one cared, idk though I don't really remember. It's funny to saw that the first victor could be the real verifier cause that's what I think about zodiac, I always think it was tech who verified it and forget that xander hacked it originally. Cool video.

I’ve never known about this situation, all I knew was like it was someone hacking. It was like 2021 since I joined gd it took me a while to get in the community and the first thing I saw was devil vortex and toshdeluxe this now explains my daja vu

I was in the server of the initial devil vortex exposure video. I didn’t contribute basically anything, but I found it amusing to see this drama unfolding before everyone else. I think the shared experience was that something is incredibly fishy about the video, and we had some ideas about what but nothing definitive. As soon as the level came out, we knew the level was horribly unbalanced (especially with the pixel perfect click at the end) similarly to Athanatos which was also hacked on verification. I think the point of the video was more to raise questions towards the legitimacy of the video and hope he admitted to it.

Tosh copy pasting saws is such a dumb method of trying to manipulate the obj count. You can literally think of a better way of manipulating the obj count and make it unnoticeable at the same time in just 5 seconds of thinking. This is what I would've done: Devil Vortex is full of black objects, specifically black cubes. If you copy+paste a black cube on top of itself you can't literally tell if it's done so. The only way of finding out if it's by pure chance you select one of the objects I randomly copied on top of itself AND moved it. With the insane amounts of black cubes there's in devil Vortex it would be almost impossible to even find one of them, assume there's more of those and find the exact same amount of objects I copied+pasted on top of themselves. Copy pasting those saws was literally a red flag.

Who is here after Tosh finally got banned from the demon list🤣

"No, I am not using mods... well I mean, I am" with the mod menus just rolling in is so funny

2:19,from the gameplay the ship got down like it was on a slope.

This mystery finally has an end lol

also a meme was made from the saws now named the devil vortex meme

Hey! I really liked this video, but what i'm wondering, is what texture pack you're using. It looks really cool, and purple is my favourite color, so i wanted to ask what texture pack you were using.

6:29 maybe the rotation speed is different on the sawblades?

Aged like fine wine

Thanks, now I understand those memes about the devil vortex saws

i noticed another part where the saw blades are perfectly aligned. Its right under the middle saw blade one you saw earlier

1:15 if youre sikky do not tap this timestamp

4:50 well saving it as a custom object means when you place it some objects won't center onto the grid like a normal object, but it does with the sawblades so it doesn't explain anything.

me trying to stop my big explosion of spit and laughter when i see the vortex saws

i've noticed that all the saws have the same spacing between size. So my idea is that he most likely spammed ctrl, d, and s.