Did We Discover Two New Factory Variations?! Star of David Walther PPK & Luftwaffe Femaru

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Did we discover two new factory gun variations?! This video is filled with conjecture. Tom shows us a Walther PPK that has a factory marking that ironically resembles the Jewish Star of David. Our best guess is that these guns were issued to factory guards at a German Flare contractor during WW2. The second is a Hungarian Femaru with a Luftwaffe marking on the back of the holster. But it also has what looks like a factory-applied "H75" marking. Could this be related to the Curtiss Hawk H-75 plane?
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@kimrosendahl5255
@kimrosendahl5255 2 жыл бұрын
Great to have you back from vacation 👍🙂
@wapiti3750
@wapiti3750 2 жыл бұрын
Man oh man, you are tanned, rested, and ready! Get after it my man.
@thelifeemery
@thelifeemery 2 жыл бұрын
That star looks like a flower to me. In any case, blued with red grips is by far the best and most classic look for a PPK. Absolutely beautiful, and that first holster looks like it's in amazing condition.
@joshuagibson2520
@joshuagibson2520 2 жыл бұрын
I had the same flower thought.
@richardobriecht5584
@richardobriecht5584 2 жыл бұрын
Eidelweiss (sp) flower? Mountain division? I know there was such a unit in the kraut army. They wore an Eideweiss flower (Alpine plant, only grows at high elevations) on their uniforms to signify mountaineers. Special training, etc.
@Aluttuh
@Aluttuh 8 ай бұрын
The star of David historically doesn't exist, its the star of remphan. Renamed it to take light away from what it represents.
@richardobriecht5584
@richardobriecht5584 2 жыл бұрын
May not be a star, but Eidelweiss (sp) flower? Kraut army had a mountain unit/Alpine training. They wore an Eidelweiss flower (Alpine plant grows at high altitudes) to signify mountaineering training. Think US 10th Mountain Division.
@LegacyCollectibles
@LegacyCollectibles 2 жыл бұрын
Didnt think of that...... Could be
@Charstring
@Charstring 2 жыл бұрын
Very good observation - it does look like an edelweiss flower.
@Hammond12331
@Hammond12331 2 жыл бұрын
&Richard obriecht I thought the same thing when I seen it
@billsteele495
@billsteele495 2 жыл бұрын
I agree, Edelweiss.
@azkrouzreimertz9784
@azkrouzreimertz9784 2 жыл бұрын
I think you are onto something but might be some sort of national park guards?
@johnjacobi4593
@johnjacobi4593 2 жыл бұрын
Tom nice gun...it was in Grumpy's collection and you know the buyer who got it at goon day.
@Kirk1957
@Kirk1957 2 жыл бұрын
I had a P38 AC 45 b block with a star symbol with six points on the locking block.
@horseteeth6139
@horseteeth6139 2 жыл бұрын
Your theory on the Walther makes sense to me Tom.
@harrylime8077
@harrylime8077 2 жыл бұрын
Great history update on the Curtis.
@williamlloyd3769
@williamlloyd3769 2 жыл бұрын
Too interesting! Looking forward to channel fans coming up with more definitive information on these two guns.
@boykinlp
@boykinlp 2 жыл бұрын
Great video , as usual. I enjoyed it very much, and learn something each time I watch.
@jonshadit
@jonshadit 2 жыл бұрын
The "Nur fur Pistole..." means "Only for" , so if the same mindset that decrees that the holster is only for a certain pistol type, it follows that the aircraft type would fit, and just to make sure that this is understood, the aircraft type is stamped inside and out.
@keithmoore5306
@keithmoore5306 2 жыл бұрын
not really especially with a limited number of planes and knowing full well they'd be losses! plus no other holsters were ever found done that way!
@steveshoemaker6347
@steveshoemaker6347 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Tom....Excellent fun gun video....!
@thelastjohnwayne
@thelastjohnwayne 2 жыл бұрын
""VERY INTERESTING"" How the Logo of the Company was a Star of David.
@ianbroster3145
@ianbroster3145 2 жыл бұрын
Nice tan . Always great videos. My favourite channel on KZfaq, always watch them. Ian Liverpool England
@user-cy6nn9lw6x
@user-cy6nn9lw6x 2 жыл бұрын
What a tan my man. Looked that you had a great time
@ethanblackshear6607
@ethanblackshear6607 Жыл бұрын
That tan was a good joke Enjoying my 1918 dwm artillery, thanks very much
@fatdaddo
@fatdaddo 2 жыл бұрын
Always enjoy your vids, Tom. Please keep them coming 😎
@MGB-learning
@MGB-learning 2 жыл бұрын
Another outstanding video and presentation.
@Hammond12331
@Hammond12331 2 жыл бұрын
Edelweiss flower, probably made for Fallschirmjäger soldiers?
@philliplopez8745
@philliplopez8745 2 жыл бұрын
Bavarian alpine troops .
@gunslinger4203
@gunslinger4203 2 жыл бұрын
We do love this channel!❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
@yevgenz
@yevgenz 2 жыл бұрын
I was about to write "Nice tan Tom".
@maarsyDTH
@maarsyDTH 2 жыл бұрын
sternsignalpatronen is not the company name , it just means its a flare round that looks like a star with a star like symbol on it to make it obvious to any soldier that picks it up
@azkrouzreimertz9784
@azkrouzreimertz9784 2 жыл бұрын
I like the healthy tan! Keep up the amazing work
@National757
@National757 2 жыл бұрын
Curtiss Hawk Model 75 (P-36 Hawk) was a predecessor to the Curtiss P-40 Warhawk. It was considered a very good fighter in it's time, and you are correct about it's service. Built mostly as an export fighter. There were 900 built for export. And possibly several hundred captured by the Germans and operated by German and Axis squadrons. As far as I can tell there are only 6 or 7 fully restored with only 3 or 4 being airworthy. As an airline pilot I also have the bug to study WWII aircraft. Absolutely cannot afford to collect those! ;) Based on your extensive knowledge and experience, I would say your conjecture about the meaning of the H75 seems logical. I am an absolute total amateur compared to you when it comes to collecting firearms. But thanks to you I have acquired the passion to collect, study, learn about, and preserve WWI and WWII fire arms. I just love buying a new collectable firearm and learning every detail of it's history. Although that often only raises more questions. Your videos are a very valuable source of information. And often even entertaining! By the way, my wife and my bank account hate you! ;) Thanks for always putting out such great videos. :) Jim Gillespie
@dmg4415
@dmg4415 2 жыл бұрын
The Finns made good use of them, kept them even after the war.
@daleparker4207
@daleparker4207 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you. Always love your videos.
@rickcimino5483
@rickcimino5483 2 жыл бұрын
You really sold it there at the beginning.....
@johnlawson2984
@johnlawson2984 2 жыл бұрын
Code jsd is Gustav Reinhardt Lederwarenfabrik, Berlin. At first I thought your theory of marking the plane code H75 on the holster was a real stretch but after looking at numerous similar holsters on line, none of which were marked H75, maybe your theory has some value.
@wubaru
@wubaru 2 жыл бұрын
Is it me or does the last five in the serial number look bigger than the second to last five?
@keithmoore5306
@keithmoore5306 2 жыл бұрын
i think the star company was renamed after WW1 the original name i'm not sure of but that plastic box puts me in mind of some metal ones from WW1 with a different company's name on them and it was a common practice to change names between wars to try and get around the Versaille treaty! i don't see the factory having a 100 guards though, so maybe the executives got a gun also the shoulder holster tends to say that was an executives gun more than a guard's gun a guard would use a belt/hip holster more than a shoulder holster! on the H75, i don;t see it being linked to a certain plane (a unit maybe!) like that could it be a rack number of an inspectors stamp?
@haroldgodwinson832
@haroldgodwinson832 2 жыл бұрын
I don't think either theory holds up. The Walter theory is the more plausible but even that seems weak to me. Why would a star-shell manufacturer want specially marked pistols for it's security guards? What purpose would it serve? Not only would it increase the cost of the pistols, it would almost certainly delay delivery, and for what reason? I don't know why the pistols carry a star but I don't think your explanation holds water. As for the marking on the holster on the other pistol; that makes no sense at all. Aircrew of the period were issued with sidearms. That was their own weapon and went with them wherever they were posted. Individual aircraft didn't, with the exception of special survival equipment, come with individually marked firearms. So, someone posted to a Bf 109 squadron could find himself subsequently posted to a FW 190 squadron, or, a Bf 109 squadron could be transformed into a FW 190 unit and so on and so forth. Having squadron or aircraft marked weapons would be absurd in such circumstances. So, pistols marked for a bunch of obscure, captured, second-rate aircraft just wouldn't have happened .
@wapartist
@wapartist 2 жыл бұрын
Man you fooled me on that tan Tom. Haha Kinda reminded me of someone very famous
@DetectingArizona
@DetectingArizona 2 жыл бұрын
Ever see an enfield no 2 with the Star of David on it?
@mabbrey
@mabbrey 2 жыл бұрын
great stuff tom as always
@RK57AZ
@RK57AZ 2 жыл бұрын
Good day, Your videos are filled with some amazing eye candy that’s mostly out of my reach but, it is worth the sugar withdrawals to keep watching. ;) You probably have done this search before but, have you tried to do a trademark search from Germany or Europe from that time period? Also, the H may stand for holster and 75 is the model number or H is for the manufacturers name? Stay safe and have a great holiday season!
@davidbrill1237
@davidbrill1237 2 жыл бұрын
Very interesting and great detective work. Very logical conclusion. Does the factory still exist (unlikely) or perhaps are records from the company exist (maybe).
@henrybucki7813
@henrybucki7813 2 жыл бұрын
enjoyed, you looked like George Hamilton but smarter looking
@jensenwilliam5434
@jensenwilliam5434 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you!!!
@jerrybrush3859
@jerrybrush3859 2 жыл бұрын
The “Star” was an inspectors mark. I think it was in 45 they show up.
@TheDecoyDude
@TheDecoyDude 2 жыл бұрын
That “Trump Orange glow” was hilarious! Hope the vacation was good!
@isoto0224
@isoto0224 2 жыл бұрын
That tan scared me lol!
@mikey8view
@mikey8view 2 жыл бұрын
You look Great !,!!!!!
@remko1238
@remko1238 2 жыл бұрын
Damn it is fake
@scottdunn2178
@scottdunn2178 2 жыл бұрын
As opposed to the decrepit, beady eyed, hair-lipped child-sniffer currently in office?
@silverfingerthesilverstack5062
@silverfingerthesilverstack5062 2 жыл бұрын
I have the same type of holster but for the Nazi FN Browning 1922, I am sure there is usually more markings inside or behind the big belt loop, might be worth you checking.
@h.r.puffnstuff8705
@h.r.puffnstuff8705 2 жыл бұрын
Contract run linked to the Haavara Agreement?
@Jeffersonian1
@Jeffersonian1 2 жыл бұрын
Orange Man Good
@whiteleghorn6835
@whiteleghorn6835 2 жыл бұрын
Will you have a booth at the Louisville SOS show in February. If so I will plan on stopping by
@josephstabile9154
@josephstabile9154 2 жыл бұрын
Reasoning here, that most likely NOT Star of David, as that is two superimposed triangles. More likely, a tool stamp merely to indicate an earmarked (specially set aside) range of serial numbers. And, a floral toolstamp usually consists of rounded, or more "petals"...
@pjansen2010
@pjansen2010 2 жыл бұрын
What's next a Me 262 stamped Femaru holster and a PPK with crossed potato masher logo?
@cowboywoodard2569
@cowboywoodard2569 2 жыл бұрын
Always watch you when I can, the gun and history guy all in one .lol
@bottomshot4546
@bottomshot4546 2 жыл бұрын
having some basic knowledge concerning signals I think it's a bit of a leap from the very distinct Star of David to the star label of a signal cartridge box. The star symbolism comes from the pyrotechnical term "star" used to define the light producing elements of fireworks. Signals need to be identified as either daytime smoke or star or Stern, for night use. The labels seen at 4:15 are simply identifying the contents, ie "star signal" cartridges.
@johnjacobi4593
@johnjacobi4593 2 жыл бұрын
M37 Femaru came out of the factory with two matching mags
@G7VFY
@G7VFY 2 жыл бұрын
The aircraft photos you are showing with the swastika are from the Finish Air Force however, there is no mention of the H75 on the WW2 Finish Air Force wikipedia page, until I realised that the plane is called a "Curtiss P-36 Hawk" and not an H-75 and is described in detail, here:- en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curtiss_P-36_Hawk
@paulbervid1610
@paulbervid1610 2 жыл бұрын
You look good. Thanks for the book.
@kevinramsey6124
@kevinramsey6124 2 жыл бұрын
Wow great info!
@mrhamburger6936
@mrhamburger6936 2 жыл бұрын
You don't want to go down there aljoeson Road
@johnblood3731
@johnblood3731 2 жыл бұрын
that h75 holster is beautiful. great historylesson as usual. your tan reminded me of another great american.
@browngreen933
@browngreen933 2 жыл бұрын
It's NOT a "Star of David" any more than every swastika is a Nazi Hakenkreuz. It's merely a star symbol with six points. Early American company logos were full of similar stars, including Dodge Brothers automobiles.
@isoto0224
@isoto0224 2 жыл бұрын
Great video 😊
@BigLisaFan
@BigLisaFan 2 жыл бұрын
Could H75 be an inspector's stamp from the factory that made the holster? Understand I know diddly about German markings, but I do know a little bit, nothing that would make me knowledgeable by any stretch of the imagination.
@chop8217
@chop8217 2 жыл бұрын
I have a Walther. judging by your videos. 854614 is pre war . the only marks on it are the crown N proof marks on barrel and slide. it is polished . my question. On the front strap it says Mod. Z.B.1019 ..what have I got ?
@MPGunther1
@MPGunther1 2 жыл бұрын
Fascinating
@chrisgabbert658
@chrisgabbert658 2 жыл бұрын
Well it might be a story 🤔🤷‍♂️ but it sounds good 😊.
@junglejim99
@junglejim99 2 жыл бұрын
Star of David is two interlocking triangles?
@remko1238
@remko1238 2 жыл бұрын
Legacy Collectables great again 🍊
@leedaero
@leedaero 2 жыл бұрын
Is there any other precedent of the name of the aircraft stamped on the holster? If not then it’s doubtful H75 is the Curtiss. My guess is Halfter 75.
@allangibson2408
@allangibson2408 2 жыл бұрын
Or it is a factory code. The Germans had three letter codes for all their munitions factories.
@wizardofahhhs759
@wizardofahhhs759 2 жыл бұрын
Does Walther ever contact you to buy a piece for their factory museum collection?
@thomaswhiteman4261
@thomaswhiteman4261 2 жыл бұрын
Nope
@Ethnarches
@Ethnarches 2 жыл бұрын
All of the pictures of the H75 with swastikas were Finnish, we used the swastika already before the Nazis and as you can see it's different compared to the Nazi version that is rotated slightly so it's not "horizontal" like the Finnish one which was blue on a white background.
@Blktailhunter53
@Blktailhunter53 2 жыл бұрын
Great content as usual.
@AllisPeterson
@AllisPeterson Жыл бұрын
Hey, I just received my step grandfather's ppk that he got during the war and it has a serial number past your range with the star. I'd like to know more info if you have any. Thanks
@0megaJB
@0megaJB 2 жыл бұрын
Does it feel like a job if you enjoy it that much? I have a question I hope someone can help with. While not a pre-post war PPK/S I just bought a 9mm kurz made in W. Germany that was a service members bring back in 1986, so it has no import markings. If I had to guess its from the 70's. What is my best resource to find the year it was manufactured?
@LegacyCollectibles
@LegacyCollectibles 2 жыл бұрын
If you look in the ejection port there could be a 2 digit number.... like 71. That would be the date.
@0megaJB
@0megaJB 2 жыл бұрын
@@LegacyCollectibles Mine doesn't have any numbers on the ejector, leading me to belive Walther stopped doing this at some point. I think mine is made in 1983 because it has the letters ID with an antler on the slide, under the ejection port.
@speddytaghetti7905
@speddytaghetti7905 2 жыл бұрын
Technically the “Star of David” is actually the “Star of Remphan”….
@rodgerjohnson3375
@rodgerjohnson3375 2 жыл бұрын
Star of Remphan has 8 points. The six-pointed Magen David (Star of David).
@speddytaghetti7905
@speddytaghetti7905 2 жыл бұрын
@@rodgerjohnson3375 I respectfully disagree. The star of Remphan is a 6-pointed hexagonal star, and relates to the worship of Saturn, which is the supposed 6th planet away from the Sun and has a hexagram spinning at its pole. There is also zero scriptural or Talmudic evidence or references to any “Star of David” being any part of Judaic theology or identity. Don’t fool yourself my friend, The Star of David IS the Star of Remphan.
@rodgerjohnson3375
@rodgerjohnson3375 2 жыл бұрын
@@speddytaghetti7905 Look it up. I had to.
@speddytaghetti7905
@speddytaghetti7905 2 жыл бұрын
@@rodgerjohnson3375 I don’t need to look it up, I’m well educated in this topic and know what I’m speaking on.
@Aluttuh
@Aluttuh 8 ай бұрын
The star of David historically doesn't exist, its the star of remphan. Renamed it to take light away from what it represents.
@Skeppo1
@Skeppo1 2 жыл бұрын
and some people believe santa Claus is real....
@gregsg2351
@gregsg2351 2 жыл бұрын
I TELL MY WIFE THAT EVERY DAY!!! CALLING ME NAMES IS NOT HELPFUL!
@rongreen5099
@rongreen5099 2 жыл бұрын
I am was having a bad couple days and your video today made me laugh a couple times aloud!! I am happy to have found your channel. Thank you "Green Room" and no your not a Dumb A** far from it!!........
@philliplopez8745
@philliplopez8745 2 жыл бұрын
Are you certain that is not " edelweiss "
@thomaswhiteman4261
@thomaswhiteman4261 2 жыл бұрын
Possible. But not sure what group would have ordered an edelweiss.
@josephhauad8673
@josephhauad8673 2 жыл бұрын
You are putting Walt Disney to shame..
@newagesmythie476
@newagesmythie476 2 жыл бұрын
H75 looks like it would be the model number to me.
@TheCristo68
@TheCristo68 2 жыл бұрын
what's up with the blackface? I thought it was not cool these days .
@thomaswhiteman4261
@thomaswhiteman4261 2 жыл бұрын
I was going for the Donald Trump look
@TheCristo68
@TheCristo68 2 жыл бұрын
just kidding but I also think the woke mob has it in for the donald to . either way you're going to offend .
@toninobaroni1572
@toninobaroni1572 2 жыл бұрын
Because He’s trying Not to look like BRANDON… dumbazz!!!
@aron7439
@aron7439 10 ай бұрын
🍸🍸🍸
@toninobaroni1572
@toninobaroni1572 2 жыл бұрын
At least Tom wasn’t trying to look like BRANDON..!!!!
@junglejim99
@junglejim99 2 жыл бұрын
Three Mississippis? :) kzfaq.info/get/bejne/oq6kfNye2ambpY0.html
@ahmet42selim65
@ahmet42selim65 2 жыл бұрын
Man you have fossilized youself 😂😂😂
@josephhauad8673
@josephhauad8673 2 жыл бұрын
I think you have been in the sun too long. To much conjecture for me Just the facts Mam... lol
@SeanieVoiceOver
@SeanieVoiceOver 2 жыл бұрын
Why is Donald Trump on Tom’s channel ???
@josephstabile9154
@josephstabile9154 2 жыл бұрын
Ref. Jeffersonian1's comment...
@codaalive5076
@codaalive5076 2 жыл бұрын
They did a good job at making you look like Trump :) Funny, yet somehow sad.
@alderringer8816
@alderringer8816 2 жыл бұрын
Nice video, but stop using the tanning bed. You'll get skin cancer!!
@robertwatson818
@robertwatson818 2 жыл бұрын
Lots of mystique---poor firearm at best.
@scottdunn2178
@scottdunn2178 2 жыл бұрын
Why would you insult Trump when he recognized Jerusalem as the Capital of Israel and moved the US Embassy there. I love the videos, but keep your political views to yourself.
@thomaswhiteman4261
@thomaswhiteman4261 2 жыл бұрын
You thought my BROWN tanning creme looked like Trump? was never my intent nor do i think getting a tan somehow insults Trump.
@scottdunn2178
@scottdunn2178 2 жыл бұрын
@@thomaswhiteman4261 You must not think the "Trump Orange Glow" quip was an insult. Got it.
@davidjones9315
@davidjones9315 4 ай бұрын
Do they fix Donald Skunks Makeup also ?
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