Did You Know? Deep Six

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BotFansUnited

BotFansUnited

5 ай бұрын

There are lots of BattleBots who have damaged the BattleBox, so why was Deep Six outlawed, but not the rest? I don't know... but I do know that many people (including myself) would love to see this Battlebot back in the box for World Championship 8
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@WatermelonNoel
@WatermelonNoel 2 ай бұрын
Ok, it’s not that it “tore up the arena”, holes and tears are quite easy to patch up iirc, the issue is denting and warping the floor when it hits it, these take more time to repair and straighten out. Also worth noting they banned might be the wrong terminology, the team and robot is still “allowed” to apply, it’s just that Battlebots will reject them on the basis that they stall production too much and too consistently.
@BotFansUnited
@BotFansUnited 2 ай бұрын
I pinned this comment. Thanks so much for your insight! (And between you and me, I used the word "banned" for views. Lol! But I'm planning on being nothing but truthful from now on. I kind of felt bad using that word in the first place.)
@RennieAsh
@RennieAsh 2 ай бұрын
Battlebots : Your bot must have an active weapon capable of doing _real_ damage. Also Battlebots : Your weapon causes too much real damage.
@BotFansUnited
@BotFansUnited 2 ай бұрын
Haha! Pretty much!
@osroboteersbr
@osroboteersbr 5 ай бұрын
We will never have another robot like Deep 6, it was such a crazy concept but it ended damaging the battlebox way to much. And Triton wich was basically a horizontal Deep 6 was a huge disappointment, Deep 6 was the robot that personified the chaos of battlebots and it'll never be replaced
@BotFansUnited
@BotFansUnited 5 ай бұрын
Love this.
@dandischinosvarietyhour1655
@dandischinosvarietyhour1655 29 күн бұрын
Depth Charge has entered the chat
@BLKBRDSR71
@BLKBRDSR71 Ай бұрын
00:38 Ray Billings: "Sorry about your floor"! Ray maniacally laughs as Tombstone continues destroying the floor. I feel like Deep 6 was Nightmare 2.
@1godzillafan867
@1godzillafan867 3 күн бұрын
Pretty much yeah
@pinkgirl294
@pinkgirl294 Ай бұрын
Tombstone: I tore up the BattleBox floor. What did you guys do? Endgame: Knocked off the clock. Tombstone: OK. And, Deep 6? Deep 6: *I obliterated the BattleBox* 😅 Tombstone and Endgame: Whoa. That's going a step too far 😥
@blackmagicbanette2820
@blackmagicbanette2820 5 ай бұрын
Deep Six is a contender for my favorite battlebot, the raw power held in that spinner, and the sheer audacity to go "What if we pushed verts to the most destructive limit possible, at the expense of all other function," truly a marvel. Not to mention the effect Deep Six had on fights, it was often a shower of shrapnel, but the fight Deep Six had with Ribbot might be my favorite just for how tense it was with Ribbot desperately hunting for angles as Deep Six just tried to keep it's weapon forward and at least 1 wheel on the ground. And I'd like to mention that I think the story behind Deep Six being rejected from Championship 7 was a little more complicated. The builder, driver, designer, and captain of the team behind Deep Six, Dustin Esswein was not going to attend Championship 7 regardless, and losing the man who kind of established the team definitely hurt their chances of being accepted, that along with the robots history with damaging the box I think just led whoever makes the final call for who gets accepted to see Deep Six as not worth the slot. Also keep in mind is Championship 7 had only 50 bots instead of the previous year's 60, so standards were also just higher in general. Like Deep Six wasn't the only returning team who was rejected, the same thing happened to Ice-wave. Now team Overboard did manage to get a robot in with Triton, and from what I understand (so this may be wrong please don't take this too serious) Triton was kind of accepted last minute after news broke about Ray Billing's hand injury and him being unable to run Tombstone. Bradley Hanstad basically went "Hey we can make a really badass horizontal that can maybe fill the void tombstone leaves :)"
@BotFansUnited
@BotFansUnited 5 ай бұрын
I like the way you think! That Ribbot fight was something else! And you could totally be right about Tritons story. :)
@Xenon-or7fy
@Xenon-or7fy 4 ай бұрын
If tombstone is the king of horizontal spinners, Deep Six is absolutely the lord of vertical spinners, there is no doubt.
@Leatherface123.
@Leatherface123. 3 ай бұрын
@@Xenon-or7fyehhh nightmare takes that but deep six and triton are basically “If there’s a king, then there will be a weapon that takes it too far”
@Xenon-or7fy
@Xenon-or7fy 3 ай бұрын
@@Leatherface123. overpowered weapon really costs them a lot.
@bami2
@bami2 27 күн бұрын
Deep Six' run in the Golden Bolt tournament was insane, recently rewatched it and Dustin really had the controls down. Such a shame it won't be competing anymore.
@austincharbonneau1206
@austincharbonneau1206 4 ай бұрын
Respect for deep six
@DanSwart
@DanSwart 16 күн бұрын
I see a few others have mentioned the same thing, but it all comes down to the scale of damage here. Tombstone and the others peel up the top layer of flooring and smash up the walls and displays, which is (relatively) inexpensive to repair for BB and takes very little time. Deep Six tore a gouge several inches deep in the lower flooring reinforcements, which was a substantially larger issue in terms of cost and time. If it were only a one-time incident, the organizers probably would’ve let Deep Six off with a warning and a fine, but it had already done the exact same thing in a test box previously. As such, keeping Deep Six around risks continued damage to critical flooring components (which were originally designed to be virtually indestructible btw), so they won’t allow them to return sadly. I truly wish I could see a match between DS and tombstone, since I know Ray would absolutely love the carnage that would inevitably ensue.
@manypixelsyt
@manypixelsyt 3 ай бұрын
I think its because the weapon was more than 80 pounds
@BotFansUnited
@BotFansUnited 3 ай бұрын
Gotcha. Yeah, that would make sense. :) Thanks for the comment!
@Leatherface123.
@Leatherface123. 2 ай бұрын
The original weapon was 110lbs, they introduced a rule known as the deep six rule, weapons are no longer allowed to be above 80lbs aside from cages and shells which has a 120lb limit
@BotFansUnited
@BotFansUnited 2 ай бұрын
@Leatherface123. thanks for the info!
@isiskline469
@isiskline469 3 ай бұрын
Fun fact axe backwards had a 125 pound weapon
@BotFansUnited
@BotFansUnited 3 ай бұрын
Woah! That's sick!
@steby123
@steby123 2 ай бұрын
Perhaps the amount of the arena damage ?!???
@BotFansUnited
@BotFansUnited 2 ай бұрын
Probably was a contributing factor. You're right.
@DrFrankensteam
@DrFrankensteam 2 ай бұрын
Seems like they want to script things. Deep 6 was a favorite of mine.
@eioclementi1355
@eioclementi1355 5 ай бұрын
Yeah I reckon it was difficult decision to outlaw deep six ..but double KO bots like deep six are kinda a novelty it unfair any serious contenders having to fight a weapon like this...and the safety of the crew and every one at battlebots it reputation will come crashing down with this also and damage the future of the sport. I believe the banning could be lifted after more balance between bots and weapons and arena. I honestly believe this community really hate having to make decisions like this as innovation got the sport to where it is today.
@BotFansUnited
@BotFansUnited 5 ай бұрын
Nice thoughts!
@bami2
@bami2 Ай бұрын
0:39 Tombstone ripping up the floor here isn't really relevant since it happened in season 2 or 3 of the reboot (along with the famous match between Duck and Cobalt), because of that they replaced the entire floor in 2020 making it thicker and out of single thick (1x1/2 inch) sheets instead of multiple layered thinner sheets (3x1/8th inch) of mild steel. Tombstone wouldn't be able to do this anymore and you can see it with bots like Deathroll, Monsoon, Uppercut and Ripperoni that have pretty comparable weapons in terms of raw energy that they just mostly bounce off maybe denting the floor. The latter shouldn't be a problem with the upcoming championship (whenever they get around to recording that) since they plan to weld all the floor panels together so any bent panel won't create a bunch of ridges between the panels for forks and wedges to get stuck on. Deep Six however kept destroying the metal wall guards around the motors for the screws (from having the weapon mounted way higher as those other bots so when reversing into the wall it would hit it from above instead of the side as most verts do), testboxes as well as this thicker floor, not just denting it but actually slicing through the entire floor if it toppled over. This is both more dangerous since shrapnel can go through the floor and hit stuff like the killsaw mechanisms or cables that run under the floor and those repairs take way more time and thus a lot more costly when you have a filming crew just standing by. I think they were also worrying what would happen if Deep Six directly hit the polycarb walls as it could potentially just shatter it. They tried to nerf Deep Six specifically by limiting the allowed weapon weight to 80lbs from 110 for non full body spinners but even that wasn't enough to prevent it from severely damaging the arena almost every time it fought and I think for Dustin being limited in weapon weight kinda defeated the whole point in Deep Six.
@BotFansUnited
@BotFansUnited Ай бұрын
This is a great analysis. I sincerely appreciate your input, my friend. 😊
@whysocringe8252
@whysocringe8252 5 ай бұрын
I'm pretty sure that the reason only deep 6 got relegated was because it consistently damaged the floor ( I think). Feel free to prove me wrong though
@BotFansUnited
@BotFansUnited 5 ай бұрын
Sounds about right to me.
@Clyde_Walker
@Clyde_Walker 5 ай бұрын
I miss Deep Six. 😞
@BotFansUnited
@BotFansUnited 5 ай бұрын
Same...
@Clyde_Walker
@Clyde_Walker 5 ай бұрын
@@BotFansUnited Triton is pretty good though. Maybe this year it’ll prove itself as a spiritual successor.
@bouncyindignation2987
@bouncyindignation2987 5 ай бұрын
If Tombstone returns for world championship 8 Triton might not compete in it
@Clyde_Walker
@Clyde_Walker 5 ай бұрын
@@bouncyindignation2987 What makes you say that?
@M-H433
@M-H433 15 күн бұрын
Well why dont you ask them why?
@BotFansUnited
@BotFansUnited 15 күн бұрын
@@M-H433 to be honest... I haven't even thought of that... wow... thanks! I'm actually going to do that! :)
@Bebegigg
@Bebegigg 2 ай бұрын
I think battlebot could be the high not to be 20 cm..or 30 cm. For entertainment..
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