Ahh i disagree sure they nay be able to get the toe in faster or other things but seeing the limit they push to helps. How far they turn in bevause even with a bad setup most would realize they sre under driving. I know I did, watching max chnsged my entire style. Was shocked at how much more grip I to work with then i thought. I always worried i would lose the back end. Come to find out i was losing it by actuslly not turning in enough and really riding the grip. Ibstead i was understeering not the actual car but me and my wheel whoch when i was pushing with the throttle i was locked out so i would lose the back end trying to turn in due to my initial turn in not being enough. Now i actually lose the rear less while really throwing the car into the corner and really givgin it throttle while under heavy load didnt realize I could actuslly get nore grip while the csr was loaded up. Alsways thought i would lose control easier.