That hurt me. As annoying as Roman is, he's just a sad, lonely kid that was never loved by his father

So true, all of these character beats carry over…this show is so well thought out

I forgot all about that scene until a few minutes before it started. Then the anticipation kicked in. Shiv and Kendall are both the anti-christ. Roman looks better and better every episode.

I guess you could say that he's not a serious person

It's not like Shiv listens to advice. Such people just need poster childs.

​@@Sig509but it's worse with Kendall since he pretends that he wants to listen to everyone and take their thoughts into consideration but then he just doesn't

Kendall doesn't have morals, he has ideas about having the morals. Because his motivation is ultimately selfish - he wants to be seen as a hero. And sometimes he convinces himself that he's that hero, other times he just pretends to believe it.

"yeah sure.. Be right back" and I'd jump off the balcony

If I didn’t sign anything I’d just laugh it off and hand it back

@@bigpictureguys8415 Crazy thing about the situation is that with his wealth, that's the equivalent of me giving you a $40 watch.

yep! the way women enable horrible men in the show and don’t hold them to the same standard is just sad

I agree. It feels like sometimes people don't hold the men in the show accountable the way they do with Shiv. They're all terrible people in this show and everyone knows that but Shiv gets a different treatment. It's like they never forget what she did wrong but they do forget what the men have done/said.

Perfectly put. I’ve had to read so many justifications for Logan, Kendall and Roman its insane.

finally a coherent comment, I can't stand how they portrait Shiv to be this so evil woman, and they treat the men as innocent babies.

I've never viewed Kendall as a victim, but he's an easy character, relatively speaking for this show, to sympathize with and even root for while also being totally cognizant of his deep personal failings (particularly later in the series). I often root for Shiv more than any of the siblings because i share her general politics and being a woman in this industry she's an underdog, which makes her sympathetic. And I also understand that she's not above compromising her political beliefs and indeed the future of the nation if it means she gets a bigger share of the pie. And arguably none of that compares to Ken literally taking a life. It's good to have complex feelings about multilayered characters.

Same

Roman is kinda faggy though

Yup. People always talk about how Shiv reacts to things as if she doesn’t have reasons to react the way she does. Kendall came for her first. The brothers always do messed up shit, but when Shiv does it or does it back to them it’s a problem. Watching them react to season 4 is gonna be something else.

the point of the show is everyone is awful and wrong in their own way.Stop justifying and defending them.

Shiv proves that your political orientation has nothing to do with empathy.

@@oo7362 omg trying to understand the motivations behind the characters' actions is not "justifying" them!! that would be a pretty shallow way to interact with art

@@vbb2076 the state of media literacy is abysmal.

I noticed that too and I think it is

tuesdays

Kinda true but Ken even does it when he's alone. Like in episode 1. I don't think he has any real taste to hide. He just wants to like what he thinks he's supposed to like. Much like Patrick bateman. Also I wouldn't say it's the last 18 years. Older men who wanted to seem distinguished have pretended to like classical music for a century

@@Diegesis 18 years ago this phenomenon was definitely prevalent with rap music, I remember all of my preteen friends and older sister's friends I knew would all pretend to like rap music way more than they actually do. And now with my little sister and all of her friends, embarrassed to be caught listening to the music they like and instead blasting rap from their headphones. It just blows my mind people don't talk about this more. It's just everywhere. Kendall's issue is way different, yeah, I just thought it was worth noting. I'm sure classical music elitism is a thing. Most of it sucks ass, but some of it is gold. You should check out La Follia from Vivaldi, or Max Richter's revamp on Vivaldi's Four Seasons. Now that is some good shit Kendall might pretend to like.

what in god's name are you talking about.

@@samgradyfilm ?

I assume it's to avoid copyright issues

It’s also funny 🤷🏼‍♂️

Damn

they are all the same shit the only thing different is that she is a woman lmao

from this comment alone, I can tell this is a bigger issue for you that goes beyond the show.

@@samgradyfilm What?

for real, how is each sibling in this family not insanely entitled? connor literally asked for a 100 mil like it's nothing like three episodes ago. kendall has believed he is owed the company from day 1. lol like why would shiv in particular piss you off this much

Obviously the kids chose to be born to Logan and be abused by him is what you are getting at.

Are you saying Logan wasn't abused by his guardians growing up?@@kvm6

The built the empire part is always under appreciated. It’s not just some yeah but bit of context. It’s kinda the only reason anyone is in the room vying for a crown at all

this is an insane take.

@@samgradyfilm Which part? That everyone sucks but at least he’s somewhat transparent and not a nepo baby? Am I wrong?