Thats why I love about it because no matter which character is your favourite it’s easy to admit both of them finally told each other the truth about the other

Right? That’s what makes it so bad (in a good way). Though they both throw in immature digs like Shiv’s “your mom likes me more” and Tom’s phonebook line. It’s all real and has been building up since episode one.

Right? That’s what makes it so bad (in a good way). Though they both throw in immature digs like Shiv’s “your mom likes me more” and Tom’s phonebook line. It’s all real and has been building up since episode one.

That's why you never argue or chase after someone who's telling you they are tired and in are in a bad mood lol, their relationship changed forever. They both made good points but there's some shit you don't say.

That's probably all she heard from her parents growing up: that no one was good enough for her, and that the only reason anyone pursues her is that they hope to gain something from it.

But also Tom wouldn't be with Shiv if she wasn't Sibhon Roy, daughter of Logan Roy, heiress to billions of dollars, so I don't think she's wrong in thinking "You're with me for my money and status"

Nah Shiv's right in that, it's been evident since the beginning that he's with her for money and power. He also loves her but money comes first.

@@bain.mp4Tom and Shiv's relationship is so interesting because it's only partially true that they are with each other for personal gain. They kinda sorta do love each other, in a very broken way. But they do. And they are also awful, self serving people, so there's that. In the argument scene, it becomes impossible to pick a side because both of them are right about everything they say to each other.

You gotta see Whitecaps episode of The Sopranos! Really REALLY brilliant acting as well!

The broken motion he did with his hands when he said "you're broken" was INSANE

Oh dang. I completely missed that. Ouch!

@@John_Locke_108and In the process drowns itself right?

@@thepimp31 I think so. Been awhile.

@@thepimp31 yes. and the scorpion says “im sorry. it’s just my nature.” he’s basically shiv can’t help but backstab, even if it means her own self destruction

I was surprised that went over so many heads

"Connor's Wedding" is the only episode nominated for Best Writing and I think it's because HBO is afraid any other episodes would steal votes and they'd ultimately lose. All ten episodes are masterworks of the form.

The mountain literally smashed the vipers head in front of his wife

@@dmagyo6631 And you think Oberyn took as much damage as both these characters in this scene? Please.

@@Serryy yea he…. He Died…

Whitecaps in The Sopranos

@@dmagyo6631 so did their relationship

Dark? Mr robot? are you fr?@@reynaldolorenzo8409

@@reynaldolorenzo8409 love BB and BCS but there is no way they are better than Succession. Not even particularly close IMO. Breaking Bad was kind of boring the first two seasons. And the same with Better Call Saul when Chuck was still alive.

I feel like the issue is BCS, The Leftovers, Dark change pretty drastically season over season not to mention first couple of seasons of BB are nowhere near the quality of later seasons. IDK Succession feels overall more consistent to me, whereas many other great shows have a lot of dips and peaks. Then again just my opinion, highly subjective.@@reynaldolorenzo8409

@@reynaldolorenzo8409 yeah, we're going to have to agree to disagree on everything you said about Breaking Bad. I'll never understand The Wire obsession. Watched midway through the third season and stopped watching. The second season might be the worst/most boring season of television that I actually watched from start to finish.

@@reynaldolorenzo8409 Awards mean nothing, I was convinced that everyone already knows that by now. Breaking Bad has more action and big shock moments, so it appeals to the general audience more than Succession does. Thats not an indicator of quality though.

Eh, she gave it back. He’s got his own flaws

@@HomoErected Oh yeah, she got her hits in there, but Tom won that fight. Hands down.

me freaking too mate!

Nothing happen, just good television

@@yohanespaskal9352 *disconcerting, stylistically intrusive zoom-in* but things do happen.

It's hilarious how much he has turned on us!!! ILL FIGHT HIM

Yep. Can't wait to see how they reacted to how Tom and Shiv's storyline played out. And Greg of course, too.

Isn't he that basketball player who married one of those Kardashian gals?

@@John_Locke_108you need to never say that again. Kendrick is one of the most amazing musical artists of all time.

@@MapleDivine So he's not also a LA Laker guy? I think he was a crack head, too. Different guy? I don't know much about music after 1995.

Am email is better than that.

And I still think Season 2 was better. Just an unreal show, top to bottom.

A fantastic episode

Agreed

exactly. she’s a self-centered, power-hungry, vindictive, conniving, manipulative, broken little banshee eloquently swaddled in Tom Ford and Max Mara like a fallen angel on a fullblown simultaneous meltdown/powertrip and a desperate, frenzied attempt to claw and scratch her way to maintaining (or more honestly trying to achieve for the first time outside of pittance “awarded” to her by Logan) any bit of relevancy or control to fill the gargantuan multi-billion dollar sized void left by Logan’s untimely passing. Siobhan is a monstrous bitch, but she is a product of the snowglobe in which Logan has entrapped his children their entire lives. Shiv always has to feel a need to constantly be stronger, sharper, and deadlier than her male peers and brothers - even when they don’t have to demonstrate nearly as much control purely because they have a dick between their legs. To poorly paraphrase an almost verbatim quote from Logan “You’re a young WOMAN with no experience. Of course it’s a fucking minus.” She’s been playing on an uneven playing field with sledgehammers to her kneecaps everytime she tries to climb the ladder out of the females-only snakepit. I think this may be a reason why she exhibits to much cruelty towards Tom - for once, she has the full power in that dynamic and she knows it. And seeing as Tom effectively became a sort-of “surrogate” for all of Shiv’s hatred of Logan’s boys club ideology, Tom became the perfect punching bag for Shiv to release all of her frustrations. “You’re a masochist and you can’t even take it.” Also, the whole scorpion. No matter what, they kill eachother without even trying. They are poison.

Tom is so clearly in the right and it’s crazy to me that people actually support Shiv over him. The writers are obviously Team Tom too considering the ending he gets.

I guess people can understand where she is coming from, it's pretty easy to say, shiv cheats, fuck Shit. Tom mah king, but a lot of people can understand her doingwhat she does after Tom betrayed her in S3 finale.

Writer are not on any 'team' lmao what are we 14 year old high school kids. It's pretty wasy to see both sides of the coin. At the end of the day, This whole show is about watching and sympathising with terrible people.@@broncoscountryl3tsrid3

@@the_crypter Ok but you do understand that from the start of the show she was treating him terribly right?

I mean, lets not pretend Tom is somehow above it, gifting the scorpion is literally as petty you can get. He wasn't wrong about her, but she wasn't wrong about him either.

@@the_crypter sure, but the scorpion thing was nothing. It had been established that they rib each other HARD. I wouldn’t call that a hard ribbing nor would it be worth bringing up in a conversation about major issues

No, I think she bought it up when he said 'could you explain to me the joke' about her saying to everyone that he is going to be fired, as a counter that his jokes are terrible too.@@bigpictureguys8415

Tom and Connor are the only two redeemable main characters.

@@broncoscountryl3tsrid3 Tom stops being redeemable when he helps legitimize fascists, imo

@@samgradyfilm he’s literally just doing his job. He’s supposed to follow what Roman and Kendall decide so you can’t put that all on his feet imo. Tom is the only main character who has any kind of loyalty at all. He doesn’t sell out Greg during Boar on the Floor even though he easily could have.

@@broncoscountryl3tsrid3 oh the ol' "just following orders" defense... how apt.

lmao 'Just following orders' defense on the mention of facists. Regardless, he has no loyalty, as they show in the episode he would suck anyone off to be in a better position.@@broncoscountryl3tsrid3

thursday schedule

@@Diegesis Sweet. Thanks :)

And shes predictable because it’s exactly what she did. So what now?

Whenever people say this I feel like I am in an alternate universe, her brothers are literally supporting the 'Nazis' as kendall said this episode for a deal but she is the worst ? lol

People who actually like Shiv have mental problems, i'm sure of it lol

Shiv is smart but she self sabotages. Doesn’t mean she’s not smart though.

snowflake

@@samgradyfilm fatal blow struck by Oscar winner Sam Grady

@@LacoSinfonia snowflake mad about show

@@samgradyfilm and the hits just keep on coming. I’m spent.

Lmao, the snowflakes are here getting riled up about tv shows

I wouldn't call her stupid. Ignorant, naive, and sheltered is what I'd say.

Could say the same for Kendall.

@@caylincoleman8758 Kendall makes lots of smart moves, just sabotages himself. Shiv is a dumbass lol

It's ending anyway, It's the final season. They only have 3 more episodes after this. So don't worry about it.

Haha I was only joking 😊

It’s almost over

I love them but their breaking bad reactions are frustrating most of the time.

I actually think they're amazing reactions. I love seeing how angry she gets at Walt@@bigpictureguys8415