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Күн бұрынDirect ink to PCB with Flatbed Printer (Inkjet Printer)
Best and easy way make PCB at home
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Flatbed Printer (size A3) buy from printer shop in my location, approximate 2000$ (included tax), not sure price from elsewhere
@juancarlosmartinezdiaz5158 6 жыл бұрын
this is the most beautiful thing I've seen in the year!
@sermsaklimpadapun6054 3 жыл бұрын
This should be in every DIY maker's houses.
@timhogue2808 6 жыл бұрын
I've been making CNC milled PCBs for years, and no matter how you did it, the fine pitched milled traces were always a problem because even high quality blank FR-4 stock will have places where the copper plated thickness varies. I have a couple of suggestions for you to improve the finished product. It does not appear that you are doing enough surface preparation prior to printing. The bare PCB stock needs to be thoroughly de-greased and not touched by fingers or any other contaminants until printing. I would never use such coarse steel wool before you start and at the end, because you are introducing micro-channels for your etch-ant to get through and scruff up the trace edges. Extra fine emery cloth of 250-400 grit is much better if you really feel you need to do that, but the surface should be fine as-is unless you do a plated through hole process first. After you clean the ink off, you can see left over spottiness that could be prevented by de-greasing. Once again, fine emery cloth is recommended if you want to shine things up, but I think another de-greasing step would be better. T
@BemBem-G 6 жыл бұрын
Tim Hogue yes. I agree
@jeffreymckeown 2 жыл бұрын
Maybe it will be better if you use thinner liquid to prevent distroying the copper traces. Pls correct me if I am wrong
@90FF1 6 жыл бұрын
From this idea, many more may be born. Like, how to modify old ink jet printer. Thank you for your presentation.
@valveman12 6 жыл бұрын
You certainly got great results. The cost of the printer is prohibitive for most hobbyists. I see there are many CNC pen plotters out now that can draw on PCBs. The resolution may not be as high as the machine in the video but should be able to create PCB artwork for etching.
@valveman12 Жыл бұрын
@@sonacphotos And of course, you've done this?
@valveman12 Жыл бұрын
@@sonacphotos Thanks, Mark...
@lineuve 5 жыл бұрын
Open the project, make it open source so everyone can have the possibility to make their pcb boards
@MrPureBasic 3 жыл бұрын
Everything is commercially available. There are some tutorial to make flatbed 3D printer. This guy has obviously access to one. The even better option is to have an *UV* flatbed printer. There is a choice of specialized UV curable inks for PCB: www.agfa.com/specialty-products/solutions/industrial-imaging/dipamat/ www.dupont.com/products/lithojet-223-inkjet-resist.html I did an extensive research on the subject and it is not yet accessible cheaply for the DIYer. Entry point is around $5k. Cheaper if DIY but so complex I wouldn't even try. Also the printer require a lot of maintenance (because of the specialized inks) and it is not worth it in the long run if you only have some PCBs to make from time to time. You need volume. The best way to make quick dirty proto is by using a CNC engraver (that needs to be tuned) or a combination of CNC and UV exposure + etching, the latest being the one I would greatly recommend. In all case if you want to cut and drill a board, you need the CNC. Take a small vacuum table with it.
@idus 18 күн бұрын
I believe you can get a dtg printer and use pigment ink. Lots of open source printers out there that do this.
@CNLohr 7 жыл бұрын
May want to try using acetone to clear off the extra ink. Or another solvent. The quality on that print is spectacular. I've always wanted to do that sort of thing, but, the cost of the printers was just too high for me. I urge you to continue down this process! Those fine traces are def better than I can do with transparencies, riston and my $35 printer. *EDIT* Just saw the ending where you use a solvent. Try immersing it.
@Androkavo 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks u, i had try immersing pcb in acetone but no effect, Ultra Pigment ink no decay, no blur, no change anything in graphic, must use physical friction to remove ink
@johnw1385 7 жыл бұрын
+CNLohr epson c88+ ...$120... if you want to go that route. gota ask though are you using name brand riston? how are you preparing your boards before applying the film? have you tried fixxons transparencies they have a coating on one side that takes inkjet ink perfectly. how are you exposing? I honestly think uv yields better results if done with care. Printing is quicker but if you were looking closely at his results...the traces are full of pinholes.
@CNLohr 7 жыл бұрын
Hmm... I do use brand-name Riston. No real prep, clean the board, steel wool if needed. Tons of water. Cold water. Peel off one side of the riston protective plastic. Put the riston on top and put it through a laminator. Wait for the board to cool and peel off the other side of the plastic. Riston on. Ready to go. I am still trying to find a way to avoid Riston since its application can be tricky and requires a laminator... and instead use the chinese uv goop. But I don't have that process down yet. It sounds like he runs into similar problems as toner transfer then. Toner transfer also has a lot of pinholes.
@greggsenne1268 6 жыл бұрын
This is off topic, but I just have to ask. John, any relation to Ernie Wuethrich? I used to work with him at SS/L way back when. Even back when it was Ford Aerospace. Just wondering.
@jeffbeck6501 6 жыл бұрын
Big fan of CNLohr here. That guy is fun.
@REG3305 2 жыл бұрын
Totally awesome.. My toner transfer process has achieved some good results but yours are lightyears better! Good job. Very impressive
@BlackGymkhana 6 жыл бұрын
With a 3D printer you could eventually print solder mask on top of it...
@daniel13021 Жыл бұрын
i love the music
@Inertia888 5 жыл бұрын
Love the Pink Floyd sounding background. It's putting me in the zone as I stare through the looking glass at tiny electrical things. 👌😎🎶
@ericaskari 6 жыл бұрын
I thought that it's homemade but Google said me it's price is about 2000€ But it was awesome
@patprop74 4 жыл бұрын
Really? Don't get me wrong its cool and if it had been a homemade thing it would have been a neat weekend project to show off, but for it to be a commercial product like this makes no sense nowadays Especially how they are giving older DLP projectors away, one can burn an image on dry-film in one go.
@mpelagio-engenharia 6 жыл бұрын
Maybe You should try to remove this ink using NaOH + water. Pour an amount of NaOH in hot water (80ºC ~ 100ºC) and put PCBs immersed for some minutes. Check every 5 ~ 10 minutes. Let us know what happenned so.
@henryserra4746 6 жыл бұрын
This equipment is professional, too expensive for most people
@km5405 6 жыл бұрын
the device he is using is not though ... its a modified normal inktjet printer.
@robertospingardi2959 3 жыл бұрын
@@km5405 Do you know the printer model to modify and, above all, how to modify it?
@Airatius 4 жыл бұрын
It's Amazing !!! Goodbay laser printer and laminator! Greetings and respect from Russia
@RN3RBZ 28 күн бұрын
Теперь всё стало на свои места: автор не изобретал это устройство, и не продает его! это готовый принтер для печати на футболках!!! Flatbed printer!
@EslamsLab 6 жыл бұрын
Oh yes my friend we are trending :D
@ftham888 5 жыл бұрын
Unfortunately, the $2K price tag is far too expensive for most hobbyists... I'll just have to stick with my laser printer for most projects and go to the mall to have it printed on their Flatbed for more complex projects.
@mandelbro777 4 жыл бұрын
Great results ... now I just need to whip up my arduino's, get in the workshop and make a shed version which is 1/20th the price but prints 100 times slower :)
@proloftz 5 жыл бұрын
Very nice results! For $2K, it'd be better to go with a dedicated pcb milling machine and skip the chemicals altogether. But what do I know, I'm still making PCBs using the toner transfer/laminator method. Thanks for the vid!
@casino130 6 жыл бұрын
Interesting idea! As I understand it pigment inks produce blacker transparencies for photolithography using DuPont Risten laminated to copper or presensitized boards, the idea of skipping the transparency overlay with direct printing is novel but I wonder if it is any better especially considering the fitting of a special bed surface to the under carriage of an already somewhat expensive printer. Still waiting for high quality Chinese replica of Photoplotters of the Bungard or Fortex small lab desktop style to someday become available, at $10,000 for name brands one would think there’s plenty of space for profit in offering similar machines at much reduced cost
@helmut666kohl 6 жыл бұрын
If you wanna go the photo resist way, just have films made - cheap, but hard to find service these days. I guess China (or everybody else making prototype quantities) has already moved on to direct lithography - so they take the resist covered plates and expose with a laser or some other stepping light source. Look here: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/ip2DZ5N4vqu3ko0.html
@flomojo2u 6 жыл бұрын
Stunning quality, had to laugh a bit after you printed out such amazing work and then dropped it into some container with etchant to hand-agitate ;-). I was expecting something a bit more sophisticated for etching... Great results though!
@1pcfred 6 жыл бұрын
Yeah the jagged edges they got are likely due to poor etch technique. A heated bath and aerating the bath help out with etch quality greatly. Pros use spray. But pumping acid can be problematic.
@DanBowkley 6 жыл бұрын
That's a gorgeous PCB, some very slight jaggedness under the wireless module footprint but nothing that would effect assembly or operation. Way better result than I ever got with toner transfer paper!
@giannivalenza1751 5 жыл бұрын
Really impressive! You get to make this heated flatbed and integrate it with the printer core: not a joke I suppose!!!!
@rockitlikeawolf 6 жыл бұрын
very cool.. thank you. however, possibly the most annoying music ever
@mr1enrollment 6 жыл бұрын
VERY annoying
@AhmedHan 6 жыл бұрын
Now try soldering that LQFP48 without solder mask...
@proccessingunit2337 6 жыл бұрын
That would be a nightmare..
@matthiasmartin1975 6 жыл бұрын
No, it would be easy. Just concentrate on what you're doing and have the correct solder tip.
@martintince 6 жыл бұрын
I am shure that he can print solder mask too.
@helmut666kohl 6 жыл бұрын
Just tin the corner leads, solder on corners, then solder the rest. Or just put on solder paste and go at it ;-) Also you can buy UV curing solder mask on Ali for $2 - easy peasy with a plotted foil stencil.
@EdwinFairchild 6 жыл бұрын
they sell solder mask sheets you just pass them through a cheap $20 laminator on the pcb, i do it all the time. makes soldering easy peezy
@ChrisHalden007 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent. Now I want to build one too 🤣
@user-hi6xy6vy9f 6 жыл бұрын
Why not make a special and optimized printer for this? Once I also wanted to do something like that, but there was no way. Is lacks only printing a solder mask. But this problem can also be solved. It is very good solution for prototyping!
@stevenclark2188 6 жыл бұрын
It's interesting to me that you chose to use a Claria (dye) ink model instead of an Ultrachrome (pigment) ink model. Is there really that little difference between the printhead mechanics that switching ink consistencies didn't really matter for reliability? Or was it even a better choice for some reason?
@guisrtr5832 5 жыл бұрын
Coudnt you do the mask with the same method, just by painting above the circuit but leaving the pads out.
@imignap 4 жыл бұрын
Your enemy here will be the alignment after the etch.
@PhG1961 6 жыл бұрын
Waw, great video, great result. I want one !
@Aerospaceman 7 жыл бұрын
Very nice work, you've done an excellent video demonstrating a great way to produce boards for either through hole or smd. Keep up the good work and submit some details like software used, and are those ink bottles an add-on? specific type of ink, are you using 30% alcohol? Anyhow you did great THANKS!
@Androkavo 7 жыл бұрын
Software for print : AcroRip add-on you see called external ink bottles (CISS system), it is included when buy printer i use ink Ultra Pigment, and use original ink, not mix alcohol
@GeorgeGeorge-xj2bc 4 жыл бұрын
For prototyping or small production pcbs better is the photosensitive and for massive the silkscreen printing.
@sinayekkalar7368 7 жыл бұрын
Great job May I ask about the printer you used? ( its dpi and brand) Also what is the kind of ink? thank you
@Androkavo 7 жыл бұрын
Flatbed Printer (custom version of Epson stylus photo 1390) Max DPI : 5760x1440 ink : Ultra Pigment
@wellyprasetyo-id 4 жыл бұрын
that awesome. you have best neat method for pcb homemade i ever seen on youtube hope you can share those step very impressive for me, hope you can share to us
@marklerman2305 6 жыл бұрын
Did you actually measure the traces to see what they really are? Just because the software says they are .2mm doesn't mean that's what you end up with. The ink could spread, for instance, making the traces wider.
@Androkavo 6 жыл бұрын
I not have tool to measure exactly small line, just compare with pins of chip (10:41), if printer scale large or small, then it'll not fit with pins of chip
@engineeringadventures1229 3 жыл бұрын
wow, fantastic results!! can you tell the printer make and model? and did you find some solution for solder mask too? anyways, it is a beautiful video to watch.
@omsingharjit Жыл бұрын
Inkjet ink are Water based so it will easily fadeout right ? Or it's Different ink ?
@luisantoniomarrega1120 6 жыл бұрын
Este sistema é fantástico. Parabéns! Rio RJ Brasil
@digimations2983 4 жыл бұрын
Hi.The result is fantastic . Even if you print though 0.05mm traces still it is of no value if you can't make plated through holes . Even if you make QFN how do you make vias under it with this method?. Please make a film positive .It would be a big step towards DIY plated holes pcb .
@ciprianciprian5228 6 жыл бұрын
You're a wizard!
@electroGoal 2 жыл бұрын
You can also make solider mask with them.
@nelsondarwinpaktech3954 6 жыл бұрын
Sir,,,its great but u didnt tell us about how to convert inkjet to pcb type printer,,,and software interfacing etc,,,
@km5405 6 жыл бұрын
you are a genius! ... I kinda cringed at the steel wire brushing though...
@stephanef4hjn 6 жыл бұрын
Very nice job!!!
@wagnercostaaraujo9057 3 жыл бұрын
Awesome video! Tell us what kind of ink was used to make this pcb board? pigmented ink or corant ink? I have already made it but the ink never dryed in the pcb using the both inks kind!
@Infinitesap 3 жыл бұрын
Could you please name the model of the heated flatbed?
@magnuswootton7368 6 жыл бұрын
at 100 micrometres, if its a rollable circuit, i reckon i could get in 10cmx10cmx10cm a gigabit, but its pretty big.
@ryebis 6 жыл бұрын
You should sell this on tindie, I'll buy one!
@SgtScourge 5 жыл бұрын
Can you use this ink and printer for a permanent silkscreen at the end?
@66seb 3 жыл бұрын
I guess a solder mask could be printed also, that would be amazing.
@epineh 6 жыл бұрын
Nice conversion, well done.
@digitalhands6304 4 жыл бұрын
Very nice! But, thats almost impossible to solder that LQFP without solder mask.
@valtuber 6 жыл бұрын
I am pretty excited but complicated also. What the machine/printer do you use? Do you have any web site, where more information may be found?
@MuhammadAli-yz3nw 2 жыл бұрын
Sir how did you apply black color to the background. I am a beginner and i use proteus for circuit diagrams and only used butter paper to transfer layout...plz give reply to my question plz...
@akramarif9316 2 жыл бұрын
you"ve done a very beautiful job , can you send me the name of printer and model .and this design program ..thank you ...
@Bianchi77 2 жыл бұрын
Like it, keep it up, nice video clip, thank you for sharing it :)
@bartronicsecurity 6 жыл бұрын
Very nice. You never mentioned the make or brand of flat bed printer.
@3JIbIDEHbv2 6 жыл бұрын
Next step - 6 color soldering mask print !!!
@monblan7 6 жыл бұрын
And silk print!
@bartconinckx 6 жыл бұрын
is this a modified existing printer? done by yourself or your printshop?
@marceloLoschiBH 6 жыл бұрын
Excellent job! Congratulations! Is the ink used water-soluble? Is common inkjet printer ink? Thank you, Marcelo
@Androkavo 6 жыл бұрын
Pigment ink is common water-soluble yes, and water-resistant after printed and ink is dry
@HaiderAli-ej2kq 3 жыл бұрын
what's the total budget this project. I am student of DAE(Diploma of Associate Engineering) in Electronics and it's my last year and i have to make a project. I am from Pakistan. what's the total budget this project.
@SidR96 4 жыл бұрын
Wow! I think I'm in love!
@veeratiraju2182 7 ай бұрын
what abt price of the machine. Is there any link to buy
@harviecz 5 жыл бұрын
Do another layer of ink after etching to work as solder mask.
@sheepman6291 4 жыл бұрын
What do you do with the chemicals when your done? I don't believe you can just dump them. I'm trying to figure out if i should lay down the 20k for the 1um resolution CNC mill (which I don't have) or do chemicals.
@vecbhopal 5 жыл бұрын
Post etcing and cleaning use the same printer for silkscreen print...
@photocanonn 6 жыл бұрын
nice technology, lets try now galvanised holes with hypofosphide-calcium, i use this at home with good results.
@alessandroandrenacci2372 5 жыл бұрын
Mr. photocanonn, how can you galvanise holes ? Could me explain, better, please ?
@kichcavaoisong7533 5 жыл бұрын
Xin hỏi bạn có bán sản phẩm này không. Thấy hộp mực ghi chữ việt lên mình hỏi.cảm ơn
@pbl29101963 4 жыл бұрын
Vi algo parecido a muitos anos, em que se modificava uma epson XP214para fazer o mesmo, aqui mesmo no youtube. Site em portugues brasil. I saw something similar to many years ago, when an epson XP214 was modified to do the same, right here on youtube. Site in portuguese brazil.
@electric-fire21 6 жыл бұрын
Does this work for 2 layer boards? Can you etch on the back in the same way? what about vias? Is there an easy way to plate them? and is there an easy way of making holes automatically?
@workmyzone Жыл бұрын
How can I buy it.... Give me the link..... Please...
@Grobbekee 6 жыл бұрын
Looks like your ground plane is interrupted at the bottom
@baladar1353 6 жыл бұрын
Cheap unnecessary music => automatic dislike not showing technical details => dislike good idea => like talking shit for an hour before showing details => dislike getting to the point without talking shit => like using text to speech robot in video => automatic dislike telling the essence with own voice, even if it sounds cringy => like
@maxhammerum7705 5 жыл бұрын
Who pissed in your oatmeal?
@michaelmaklaud7744 Жыл бұрын
Did you use Epson Stylus Photo 1390 printer?
@baophanquoc2718 3 жыл бұрын
Are you in Vietnam? I saw a Vietnamese labeled ink cartridge at 0:49.
@unaiskn4934 3 жыл бұрын
What type of ink you are used Water based or other
@gogasgl8708 6 жыл бұрын
Хороший плоттер И качество печатной платы нормальное Где такой купить?
@longdongsilver4719 5 жыл бұрын
PCB at home? With a $2000 Printer? Are you crazy?
@milannew1322 6 жыл бұрын
Very good work.
@iceberg789 6 жыл бұрын
thats one big printer you have there, but what kind of inkjet ink are water resistant like that ? anyways, having such a printer is one of my life goals. lol.
@yangman7879 6 жыл бұрын
what tipe of inc have you used?
@ecoidea100 2 жыл бұрын
Astonishing!
@user-vo9kn3pp6p 8 ай бұрын
what kind of paint is used? Какую краску используют?
@chaitanya007ful 4 жыл бұрын
Which microscope is this? can you tell model number and buying link ?
@PhG1961 6 жыл бұрын
Awesome video !!! Where can I buy this equipment ?!
@allaboutwirings2460 5 жыл бұрын
Is this machine ready made available or you convert it for pcb printing
@nightsaber2272 6 жыл бұрын
Cool. With soldering mask it would like factory maked :)
@baladar1353 6 жыл бұрын
Made, hülyegyerek.
@figofagonagoitis 5 жыл бұрын
Can you show how to modify printer, step by step?
@mikviper4086 4 жыл бұрын
Гениально!, а есть эпсоны с лотками для компакт дисков, можно использовать для мелочей...
@briwicklab 6 жыл бұрын
what happens when you double print it? better or worse?
@ftrueck 6 жыл бұрын
What's the exact model (description) of this printer?
@Arkay. 4 жыл бұрын
Man. Can't believe you didn't show us the completed board! Arrgghh. My OCD hurts!
@user-zn4kt7ft3z 6 жыл бұрын
Hi! Cool. What kind of ink are used ?
@moustaphamuhammad7013 5 жыл бұрын
Can you tell us how we make that machine?
@robertocarlosramirezporras5304 4 жыл бұрын
que tinta es esa y donde comprarla
@winsonal 2 жыл бұрын
I need to buy this send me link to buy one
@Gaexi8ie 6 жыл бұрын
Looks good!
@mvssarma3387 6 жыл бұрын
LOvely demo. Incidentally, are you using any special ink cartridge ?
@franklydude 4 жыл бұрын
"Ultra Pigment" see above
@telelaci2 6 жыл бұрын
This is cool you are very smart, but what is the purpose ? You can buy industrial quality 2 layer PCB from China for $5 / 10pcs if its smaller than 100x100 . With silkscreen, soldermask (you choose the color), galvanized holes, tested. Probably its cheaper than this PCB. This is not advertising, I don't give you the link only if you ask for it, (you can google it, "pcb manufaturing china") but look at the prices : 1-2layers 100*100mm ; 3-5 Days Delivery ; US $5.00/10 Pieces L≤100mm W≤100mm ; 10 pcs 4 layers 4-6 Days Delivery ; $49.00/10 Pieces Of course you'll have $25-$35 shipping, but its still bloody cheap.
@Androkavo 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your info purpose is the time, sometimes i make pcb prototype at home, so need fast time to test, with this printer i can make pcb less than 1 hour, it mean can test more prototypes in one day. Of course with final prototype, still need pcb manufacture for full features
@1pcfred 6 жыл бұрын
That is great if you live over the board house in China, and know the guy making the boards personally, so he does you a favor, and makes your boards for you on the spot. The rest of us don't like the better than a month turn around time though.
@telelaci2 6 жыл бұрын
I live in Europe and the Chinese PCB factory makes double layer boards with silkscreen and solder mask in the chosen color (green, red, yellow, blue, white, black) for $5 / 10 pcs if the board is smaller than 100x100mm or 4'' x 4 ''. Manufacturing time is 2-3 days. (You can ask for express 24h, that will be $39 for 5 boards) Yes its not mistyping 1 board is HALF(!) dollar. Minimum track/spacing : 6/6mil. Minimum hole diameter 0.3mm (12mil). They accept gerber files as input. The shipping cost is $25 with DHL to Europe (3-5 days shipping time), its $21 to United States which is much more expensive than the board itself and the parcel arrives in about 3-5 days. DHL is a German courier (like UPS or FedEx in US) not crappy Chinese Post. If you want steel SMD stencil for the board that will cost $15, but the shipping will raise to $42 from $21 because of the bigger weight. (stencil is plus about 0.5kg) This is not a con, neither sneaky advertising, I don't lie. This is bloody cheap. Maybe many people don't know about it. Use google. You will find not only 1 firm but at least 3-4, with very similar terms. This is why manufacturing PCB at home makes not so much sense anymore. Though this is my opinion only. pcbshopper.com/
@1pcfred 6 жыл бұрын
Personally I make boards because I want to make boards. I am not interested in paying others to do what I want to do.
@telelaci2 6 жыл бұрын
Personally I don't make boards, because I can't manufacture so tiny and precise things what needed, to create tiny and dense SMD circuits. And I can't make baker-shovel size boards because the wires can't be long in high speed circuits with processors and DSP's. I'm totally amateur, don't mistake me, but electronics is my hobby, and I take my hobby seriously like a real enthusiastic fool.
@MarioIZ0IRH 3 жыл бұрын
Nice! What is the music? Regards.