“We just want shoes!” Is the best chaos cult warcry I have ever heard. Lmao

My biggest gang was Van Saar back in the day, haven't played them in a long while. edit: "The more you know!" , now that brings back memories. :)

Not much is different to the construction industry. I have never been on a site that did not have a serious injury or death with in a year. Why do you think British construction has more work place deaths then any other. I have literally had a manager tell ne how great their site is as they had no major injury for 92 days. 92 days before a man got crushed to death in a trash compactor. British standards are considered better then most of the world. Makes you wonder what every where else is like. I gave up the construction industry for a reason, though I will not describe my 1st hand experience. Mind it is gruesome & horrible!

I have seen eastern Europeans crippled on a construction site & later informing authorities for which they did not care. I my self remember working in slurry snowing conditions with a hole in my boot for 8 hours & I was not allowed to pop out for a new pair even though their site gave me the hole. I informed the HSE & was eventually forced to quit as they made my working conditions worse to the point it began to affect my health. Their is nothing more depressing then seeing a 60 year old man forced to shit him self because he didn't want to get fired for taking an extra toilet break on a rail construction. The old lad still got fired & humiliated. I quit that firm & informed the authorities on all the dodgy dealing. The company is now bankrupt & no more. I have n0 idea what happened to the old lad. You don't know what construction work is like till you have done it 1st hand & sitting a portable office site container don't count. You can't pay me to do construction work ever again. I'd rather kill.

Also there is huge criminal element to the construction industry. The amount of drug deals & every day dodgyness that goes on between workers, never mind the management is shocking. After domestic & public venues homicides. construction sites are the highest.. The amount of violence on construction sites is ridiculous & most of it doesn't get reported.

Thank you so much!! Glad you like them

@Hate fueled don't go by anything they say if anything is cringe incarnate it's fucking plebit man, it's almost got the level of cancer as Twitter

Thanks Jesse! I find that Necromunda still has plenty of it, even if the main system has lost a lot of it :)

@@DiscourseMinis wish it would comeback into the wargame

Agreed, and yarp, I started way back then as well. ^^

“Satire with a Point” sounds like a good title for a series.

@@DiscourseMinis I like old Necromunda/Gorkamorka. A lot of the RT/2nd ed vibes and detail were preserved in a game with a fitting scope, the gang skirmish game. RT close combat rules when start involving dozens of models seems gnarly.

Genius level lore

I love this cult theme haha! everyone who challenges the awful status quo seems to be the baddie? hmmmmmmm

This made me laugh out loud

@@DiscourseMinis That's what happened to the Tau. They were originally introduced as the "good" faction until some players complained that they weren't "grimdark enough". I disagree. Having the Tau be the one good faction actually accentuates the grimdarkness of the setting. There is so much storytelling potential in watching a young idealistic civilization with noble intentions contend with the horrible realities of the 41st millennium.

So pray to your god or your foreman, That the sun might rise in the morning, They told us hell was warm, But our empire fell for shelter from the storm.

The vast majority of people in-universe can't hop on Lexicanum and look things up. They don't know what the heck a chaos rune looks like. They've never seen an ork up close, unless the world has a local ork population and they're part of the planetary militia.

"Cruel men make cruel warriors make cruel lords"

Yikes! Yeah, sounds like you need it

@@DiscourseMinis make sure you take a 5 minute break too, don't think we haven't noticed the increased production value.

Your work serves the emporium! Keep it up 👍🏾

I demanded naps since high school. I will always demand a designated nap time.

Best be careful talking about those working time directives, you don't want to end up like Dave.

I think you give the propaganda ministries of said chapters far too much benefit of the doubt. They are still autocratic systems where citizens have no rights and there is no solid civil liberties or democratic influence. Such societies _always_ have staggering corruption and wealth inequalities, which produces squalor. And the Tau... the Tau are a satire of Americans invading to spread freedom to the benighted backwards foreigners... They're very good at propaganda too.

skulls for the skull throne!

Maim kill burn!

Err... I think the exact words of our enlighted saint patron Kharn Choppy Happy were "Kill Maim Burn!" Implying that killing its main priority, maim its a second alternative if killing can't be granted and burn is a last resort if you can't reach the fukk€r with your axe. ☝🏻😁

@@pabloramos369 This one gets it!

Fresh Meat for the Lord of Skin and Sinew!

Hey Pupy! It seems we are very similar haha!

Imperial citizens aren't treated as prisoners, they are treated as slaves. I'm sure they are fed with just enough gray protein sludge to keep them going.

You're right that better conditions can lead to better performance. But you're wrong in assuming that the bureaucracy of a hive is intelligently and dispassionately managing its resources with maximal efficiency. We see this thousands of time through history, through mechanisms that are ramped far up in 40k - without wise leadership capable of enacting systemic change (lolno), or the ability of the population to organize and push for change (LOLNO), beatings will continue until morale improves. Poor production gets punished, not "rewarded" with better conditions.

Tell that to the Real Life industrial complex!

Agreed that the slavery of 40K, all bad, all the time, for almost everyone, with no respite, is not sustainable. Even Orwell's 1984 implies in its appendix that the regime ended. The Handmaid Tale's does similarly (sorry if this is a spoiler). A reality so grim the life of every citizen is constant agony and pain is not sustainable. The Imperium of 40K is a caricature, as opposed to scifi with more depth (even then, some of the fiction sometimes downplays this, because it's not even fun to read. Nobody wants to read escapist fiction set in Space Auschwitz because it's too depressing).

@@theandf Well, the thing about the 40K setting is that in order to be taken seriously at all, it has to be satire, otherwise it's just schlock. But since the company made it big, there's no incentive at all for them to produce satirical content anymore since they are now part of the systen that'd be pricked at by such. As for the non-sustainability of the regime, I always saw 40K as a period setting, the stage of the Doomsday Clock being five minutes to midnight and it's implied that this can't last. The Imperium was described as crumbling from outer assault and rampant internal strife. Which makes the latest "developments" in the fiction so disturbing thematically, since it implies that such a regime can be saved by a strong, wise leader who invigorates the ailing, degenerate Imperial edifice by hearkening back to the true upstanding values of the past. And... that's not satire of fascism, that's just a non-ironic story about fascism in space working to save humanity. Sure, the satire is depressing to a certain degree, but its connection to reality makes it a vehicle for thought and critiques of the real world, and it can express contemporary sentiments and anxieties in a very straightforward fashion. Kind of like Kurt Vonnegut's Slaughterhouse 5, depressing as all hell, but poignant and frank about the horrors of war and what war implies about humanity. 40K had such themes back in first edition, there's an illustration of a Marine being mobbed by a pack of Orks with the caption saying "For each battle honor, a thousand heroes die alone, unsung, unremembered". A game about Space Nazis _needs_ such sentiments to avoid being subverted into fascist propaganda. And the modern incarnation of the game is quite popular among right wing extremists today.

Haha I could dig it lol

Some of the Necromunda novels do have a strong comedy vein running through them, one I read about an archivist who wants to travel to the underhive on an archeological mission was almost pythonesque

Thanks so much Mausolus! Glad to see a fellow heretic agrees :D

@@DiscourseMinis Of course! There is no greater honor than being called "heretic" by bootlicks of Wretched Emperor xD

While I will agree that the current conditions of the Imperium are less then stellar, I would "respectfully" remind you things were going just fine for a while...until the Horus incident that left the Imperium in such a desperate state that such working measures were deemed necessary to maintain the sudden millions of warfronts that just popped up over night And honestly I'd argue that was the point of the Heresy all along to create desperate times in which they could cultivate followers, cause without followers and faith the Chaos gods are about as daunting as a wet match, mere drug dealers who have to destabilize a perfectly good empires to push their product. To push the belief that being human was not enough that they were needed somehow to fix the human condition. While Im sure your mind is made up just remember, Your gods need you more then you need them and they dont want you to know that

@@MrTwistedLizard Let me "respectfully" remind you that those things before HH were less than fine... Emperor was a narcisstic despot that exterminated thousands planests whose population refused to submit, willingly and wittingly poisoned Primarch against each other, ruled with iron fist (only thousand times worse), betrayed and murdered his own followers when they "outlived their usefulness" (cough cough Thunder Warriors), exterminated even xenos species that weren't agressive and ruled with style "my word is law", ruthlessly eradicating anyone who dared to think different (his entire anti-religion paradox). Only reason why many people feel that pre-heresy Imperium was some sort of Golden Age utopia is because imperial propaganda says so. It is amazing how little is enough for many people to buy that. Maybe Eldar are really up to something when they say humankind is degenerated life form. Also, you mention how Chaos is dependant on Imperium, with which I kinda agree - Imperium is its greatest provider of fresh members. But the same way, Imperium is so patheticly dependant (also almost junkie-style) on enemies to even function. Even in hypothetical scenario when Imperium would defeat Chaos and eradicate all other life forms, like its goal is, they would quickly have to find/create another foe, otherwise, Imperium would colapse. And while you too has made you mind, just remember, your Emperor does not care about you and sees you as mere fuel. Once you outlive your usefulness, you will be discarded, there will be no honor, no glory. In better case, you will go down in silence and apathy from his side, or worse, they will blame you as heretic (warranted or not) and you will go down hated and spitted upon. As the Emperor wills!

@@MrTwistedLizard and like the addicts drug dealers sell to, heretics lack insight to know they have a problem.

Glad you enjoyed it!! And yeah, love Dark Heresy myself, was my TTRPG of choice for many years!

You should read the rouge trader edition chaos realms books, explains a lot.

Glad you enjoyed it! :D

The scary thing is that you can almost write "future" as well...

Pale Sand < Snail Hand

if anyone could pull it off, I think you could Dana!

I've seen plenty of animation from Japan that would imply differently... Um... I've said too much. 😅

You have no idea how accurately I can relate to this comment hahaha

@@DiscourseMinis A lot of us have been there ... without saying too much, not *only* in London. ;)

Thanks a lot! Yeah, the Imperial Fists would definitely have a lot to say on the subject I'm sure haha, things would get very messy

That’s a Black Library book I’d love to read. Opens with a Space Marine booting some poor sod’s hab door in. Freeze Frame. ‘Bet you’re wondering how I got here.’ Flash back to them complaining about how their feet keep burning and they’d just love a pair of shoes.

The last time Imperial Fists did something like that on Necromunda, one of them survived long enough to say DO NOT GO THERE

@@elijahherstal776 I think the Fists had a successful intervention on the planet. They allied with a bunch of local gangs, the people who would come to be the imperial house Helmawr. There is a few Fists hanging around, Necromunda is one of the worlds they recruit from. They just don't care of gang/house politics in the hives, and are vastly above the scope of the players.

@@SusCalvin It was a very specific hive, I think. It was either 'The Skull' or another in particular. And yes, only one Imperial Fist came out alive- it wasn't the gangs. There's much, much, MUCH worse than the gangs there. And even with the gangs... House Van Saar has a STC. And *it is sentient and doesn't screw around and will cause massive destruction if it gets pissed off*

Check out the OTO cult and some of its famous members such as rocket engineer Jack Parsons and writer L Ron Hubbard. They were having orgies together to bring a goddess of Babylon from a different dimension. John Dee work with angels and enochian language was similar. Bohemian Grove is another thing you would want to check out. Thats where the Manhattan project was conceived.

Yeah, the system on Necromunda does seem designed to basically spit out angry chaos cultists honestly

in fairness to the worker, beats falling over an unsafe ledge

Why would you join the night lords?

*cough* bullshit *cough*

You have no idea how pleased I am to see GLA workers quotes here.

@@Blottingpaper CAIN LIVES THUMP THUMP! C&C quotes for the win😂

@@Blottingpaper i was wondering weather someone recognises them. It was first thing that came to my mind when the shoes got mentioned.

Yeah I want one myself!

Words you can hear and feel.

I see you are also a man of cultured content

Thank you! :)

i'm coming for you Jago

@@DiscourseMinis 🙀 Malal preserve me...

In old Necromunda you could run an enforcer/arbites gang. You're not an underhive gang with territory and stuff you scrape together, you're the arm of lord Helmawr and the greater Imperium. The law on Necromunda is what lord Helmawr wants you to do. The arbites/enforcer gang worked a bit differently. Instead of buying gear you got shotguns and carapace issued to you. You always had ten dudes, no more or less. Retired arbitrators got replaced with a new recruit rocking carapace and shotgun. You normally fielded half the squad as a five-man patrol, unless the enemy gang was large enough to warrant the full ten-man detail. You had a sergeant, a heavy weapons dude and also a special robo-dog handler who came with a cyber-mastiff.

@@SusCalvin sounds very interesting! What about the new Enforcers, do they work like that or are they like a regular gang (rules wise)?

@@theandf I have no idea what they do in new Warhammer. In older GW games you also had more options for a referee. The ref was expected to arbitrate scenarios and stories and play the environment or neutral models.

Yeah! I liked that too! Made them more "primal"!

Thanks so much Ryam :D

Thank you so much!! Glad you enjoyed it :D

An exciting prospect!

Hey, the problem is still resolved right? :D

Thanks a lot Eric!! I really wanted it to offer more value than just a regurgitation of lore :)

@@DiscourseMinis There needs to me more female representation in the hobby, like Im not an SJW or anything lol but like when I try to explain to my girlfriend what warhammer is lol i just cant lol cheers DM!

Haha! Find it on patreon :P

Great story..... chaos homebrewed alcohol containing...... people, tasty!

@@Duppyman695 soylent green liquor yummy.

@@docvaliant721 "By my Roots"

in fairness the Imperium likes to get up to that too :P

@@Duppyman695 That should be a space marine warcry. Primaris roots. In the story that went over my head for awhile. I was thinking whats going on so much that I would miss things. Quentin Tarantino could make a movie of that book.

We'll see how this video does, I had a lot of fun making this :)

hahaha man, that is pretty sad. Not even Chaos, huh?

Wow, thanks!! Glad you liked it :D

Obviously Ratskins, but Escher follows closely after! :)

Servants of the four armed emperor, obviously.

Thanks so much Ghaz! :D

@@DiscourseMinis You’z welcume ‘umie

Thanks Jaron! :D

thanks so much Waylon! Glad you enjoyed them!!

Much appreciated!

Awesome, thank you!!

thanks Troels!

Glad you liked it!!

Haha yup, I do! And I dunno just gonna keep pushing until it all crashes hehe

Thank you!! Glad you liked it :)

@@DiscourseMinis absolutely! And thanks for all your hard work. I've been working my way through your playlist. Very cool stuff! And I forgot to mention this before. That's getting the beginning was fantastic!

Definitely :D

very sexy shoes too

Glad you enjoyed it Jon!! And yeah, I think they might have actually been originally designed to look like Batman haha xD

The spire gang was introduced in the Necromunda expansion book. They're a pretty special gang. Instead of people growing upwards, they're scions of the upper-hive houses. They could have a lot of outlandish gear, as they could afford weird offworld imports. They were also pretty points-heavy, I think. The spire scions are there not for profit but to prove themselves as a coming-of-age rite or to set some record straight. Kill x amount of gangers and we let you back up, or survive y years down there without our direct help.

Wuh-pah!

Thank you so much! :D

Yeah, I like how this video leaned back in to Punk/Socialist roots of Rogue Trader. 👍

Clogs for the Clog God

GLA INTENSIFIES!

rip miss you big man

Haha thanks Chris! It's stuff like this that makes the focus of Necromunda my favourite in all of 40k :D

Thank you peter, so glad you like them!

Pretty much!

@@DiscourseMinis well thanks for the clarification my friend " Death to the false emperor" it is then!

Glad to hear it :D

Haha yeah, so many things do it, I just have to roll with it lol

Awesome!! Glad you liked it, I love Necromunda haha

Awesome!! Thank you :D

Talk about your social distancing haha

Exactly! Just not enough return :D

Haha! I play against them too often to enjoy :D

very long-term oriented. I guess I'm too radical

oh I'm sure they're well aware!!

@@DiscourseMinis hahahaha probably....let's just hope Jeff Bezos is not off in a secret lab somewhere creating 10 sons and/or other "enhanced" human beings... Do you plan on making more of these "historical" analyses? Would love to see what you come up with for a bit on for instance the Sisters of battle (cults/religions) or the mechanicums monopoly on technology..

In Mantics deadzone universe there is a overriding evil corporation called mazon.

I absolutely love eggs. Especially in a big ulster fry. If I couldn't have that I would riot

The organisation most people in the hive have closest is houses and gangs. Your little gang is part of a greater house who runs part of the industrial might of the hive. Houses and tech-guilds and weird lodges and whatnot guard the bits they control.

Haha they're pretty brazen lol