Discovery Health CEO challenges NHI, begs closed door ANC to open its eyes and ears

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Ryan Noach is the CEO of Discovery Health, a company which covers 40% of those South Africans who have private medical insurance. Not surprisingly, he has been analyzing and attempting to bring rationality to the National Health Insurance (NHI) Bill since it was first announced in 2007. In an interview today Noach expressed concerns about the NHI Bill that was voted through Parliament this month, particularly Section 33, which proposes the elimination of companies like his once the NHI is fully implemented. For the rational mind, alongside the guarantee that NHI will bankrupt already fragile South Africa, the most worrying part of this discussion is the ANC’s roadblock approach to all counter proposals - particularly scary considering the destructive record of every SA State-run enterprise. On the upside, Noach says even in the State’s best case scenario (ie no Stalingrad legal challenge from the private sector) it will be decades before the proposed NHI would be fully implemented. By which time, Parliament - and voters who put members there - will surely have come to their senses. Noach spoke to Alec Hogg of BizNews.
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Timestamps:
00:00 - Introductions
00:25 - On how long Discovery Health have been keeping tabs on NHI bill
01:04 - On Discovery Health's plans to oppose NHI bill
02:05 - On Discovery Health's credentials and client base
03:20 - Breaking down proposed National Health Insurance Bill
06:37 - Noach provides a helpful analogy
07:56 - On other examples of national health cover internationally, and their success or lack thereof
09:56 - Noach responds to Connie Mulder's comments on the lack of public outcry from private health insurers
13:04 - On the lack of open-mindedness to suggestion from ANC policymakers
13:56 - How the NHI bill would impact taxation in South Africa
17:51 - What next for the NHI Bill and South Africa
20:58 - What next for Discovery Health
21:38 - Concludes

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@louisjwiese5515 11 ай бұрын

Uh... Didn't Discovery initially publicly support this crap?

@faniecremer4899 11 ай бұрын

Yes, they did.

@sharonadams9721 11 ай бұрын

Yes they did

@veronicakarstel9126 11 ай бұрын

Thought they wanted to manage it, big bucks

@Truthseeker-iz3dj 11 ай бұрын

@@veronicakarstel9126 100% and now they realise they won't be part of the solution...

@nickeybotha2155 11 ай бұрын

They did indeed, bloody disgusting

@kobusvanstaden3747 11 ай бұрын

The same guy who told us very recently not to be worried about this..? Joker...

@AndrewMcFarlane_1 11 ай бұрын

I watched the other videos and I think he is consistent in his perspective in this regard. He knows it wont happen and indicates accordingly

@angiemac8066 11 ай бұрын

Exactly!! Discovery are black Rock chums, together with a whole bunch of SA corporates including Woolworths amongst others!

@AndrewMcFarlane_1 11 ай бұрын

@@angiemac8066 sure whatever... They are businesses and act in that fashion. If we want them to act differently then we need to change laws... Not just in SA but around the world...

@dannygovender5062 11 ай бұрын

Yes correct.

@tomsawyer4321 11 ай бұрын

He thought Discovery was going to run it. They sold us down the river and the ANC never had any intention of letting them anywhere near it.

@user-ez9en7vk2z 11 ай бұрын

He should just donate money to Solidariteit. They have the patience, skills and know how to deal with these pesky short sighted people.

@argentnexus7129 11 ай бұрын

The only reason that Solidariteit won, which i actually knew they would lon beforehand, is that the 'qouta' system besed on race was,is and alwys will not be consistent with the Constitution; irrespective of who says otherwise. Solidariteit would not be successful in bringing NHI to a stop. They MIGHT be successful with some modifications to the Act,, but never with defeating the Bill as a whole.

@rosemaryblazeby5045 11 ай бұрын

Is this an option for us.

@Escapeismclipz 11 ай бұрын

Discovery was supporting ANC and NHI, now they are crapping themselves. Careful what you wish for or pretend to wish for Corporate SA 😂😂

@JackSmith-ou1dg 11 ай бұрын

Discovery was supporting their own version of NHI, not the governmennt's version.

@chelseajacques_ 11 ай бұрын

This Noach guy recently said we shouldn't panic about NHI less than 2 weeks ago, and all of a sudden he flip flops. I will only believe him if Discovery stick to their word for good.

@veronicakarstel9126 11 ай бұрын

Discovery forced their staff to get the bioweapon

@felixmoyoedonmi 11 ай бұрын

@@veronicakarstel9126Spot on mate 👌. Discovery health lost all respect when they mandated the clotshot.

@angiemac8066 11 ай бұрын

I agree, another one who doesn't tell the public the truth. Glad I'm not a member!

@angiemac8066 11 ай бұрын

@@veronicakarstel9126Yes....! They're evil, time for a boycott and class action lawsuit!

@dannygovender5062 11 ай бұрын

Yes correct.

@motivationthreshold 11 ай бұрын

Wish Alec would have pressured him more. They are 100% in the game! And he knows it And maybe ask him why they haven’t addressed 💉 injury? Why they pushed 💉 and told everyone it was effective and safe but now it’s clear Discovery are dead silent on all things to do with the last three years. What a shameful bunch

@angiemac8066 11 ай бұрын

💯✋🏼

@RG-jr8ym 11 ай бұрын

they are disgraceful, all their members should move over to another medical company..

@fayefaye7174 11 ай бұрын

IM WAITING MANY YEARS TO SEE DISCOVERY HEALTH FAIL AND CLOSE DOWN TOTALLY!!!!! Daylight robbing @$#%&!!! They are more interested in building glass skyscrapers in Sandton with our hard earned salaries. we contribute to them without a say on return on unused payments! The system is set up to milk the citizens who are sheep to a capitalist system! The ones that lose out and feed the greed are the healthy who are not sickly and chronic. A savings that is too low that also can't be used on any desired medical need. Yet again the citizens are not being served or receiving any value for money...insurance loss with no return on investment is a sad and horrible thing to an average or low wage family who could use the money for hundreds of other things!

@alive4627 11 ай бұрын

The food analogy is spot on. To my mind the government must first demonstrate its bona fides by getting the existing health system back on track. Then we can start moving towards a NHI. Regrettably however I read in the news today that six months after discovery Thembisa hospital staff who helped the R1 billion tender mafia are still at work.

@wjg203 11 ай бұрын

I can see how more people wil stop paying tax, more investments leave the country and more people emigrate.

@nickeybotha2155 11 ай бұрын

Well you can't exactly stop it if you are a mere employee. It will be taken by the company you work for or they will be penalized for not paying the tax.

@JackSmith-ou1dg 11 ай бұрын

The only state organ in SA that works is the tax collection system, so it is very/extremely difficult to evade paying tax for the average businessman.

@richardpotgieter8901 11 ай бұрын

Very limp argument and reasoning by Discovery - it's not about fighting back against insane proposals and decisions for them ; it's about sitting comfortably and watching from the other side of the fence. Action and a decisive retaliation is what is necessary in order to halt the madness- in ALL sectors.

@JackSmith-ou1dg 11 ай бұрын

Action and a decisive retaliation is too late now.

@rosemaryblazeby5045 11 ай бұрын

Exactly discovery. Get off the fence.

@ruvanefriebus-cv6td 11 ай бұрын

Revolution must come

@DebzZi 11 ай бұрын

We may as well all declare bankruptcy as no small to medium size business would survive the tax burden. Unemployment will skyrocket, medical professionals will leave & taxpayers will riot!

@truth-Hurts375 11 ай бұрын

Stop talking bs....you got no idea what you are talking about....you just copy Facebook bs. Without thingking.

@lemontree397 11 ай бұрын

Not just medical professionals, but actuaries and other professionals as well. They're already leaving - I know several actuaries who left for the UK in just the last three years. Right now I'm building up my own reserves so I can also leave when the time comes.

@georgeg5559 11 ай бұрын

Isn't Discovery charging more for less for the past six years (at least)?

@MegaSacred123 11 ай бұрын

We must take this guy seriously after the entire covid jab controversy???

@diannequinn2808 11 ай бұрын

Why is the Govt not allowing cheap medical aid plans.

@isoboy1000 11 ай бұрын

Good question, they won't because they have BEE shares in these companies so they don't want competition or i can easily say BEE schemes are there to influence politicians to kill new players and competition. Ever ask yourself why are we only having few commercial banks, retail grocery companies and clothing companies? they have made it difficult and impossible to have new players to access the market. Now since the economy is not growing and more and more people are becoming poor its easier for the ANC now to sell nationalisation to garner votes.

@JackSmith-ou1dg 11 ай бұрын

If you can offer me a cheap medical aid plan I will take it, the government at this time does not stop you offering cheap medical aid plans.

@Truthseeker-iz3dj 11 ай бұрын

He says people should have the choice, even if the choice is available not many people will be able to afford NHI coming off their salaries (Which will be a forced deduction) and still having to pay for private medical aid. The rich will still be able to afford both or if they don't have a choice will just get their medical treatments done in another country.

@JackSmith-ou1dg 11 ай бұрын

How much will the forced deduction be?

@goforgold7082 11 ай бұрын

The anc does not listen to anyone. They are the problem in SA, not the solution. Nobody can get through to them. They are like a little child , destroying its toys. The Post Office, SAA, Escom, Denel. Now that these are all broken to pieces, they are focusing on whats still left. All we can do is to stand together and remove the remaining toys from their little hands

@JackSmith-ou1dg 11 ай бұрын

They will very likely declare SA a military dictatorship, then you can't remove the remaining toys from their little hands

@lemontree397 11 ай бұрын

They're completely brain dead. No sign of intelligent life.

@metalcake2288 11 ай бұрын

A good medical aid is nearly R3000 a month, more if you have a family. You're telling me, that some could just pay 10% on UIF and get the same cover? Sounds a bit sketchy.

@markwilliams2952 11 ай бұрын

A smart guy who does not understand that you cannot negotiate with communists. Sad.

@voertsek8404 11 ай бұрын

Spot on brother Totally clueless

@brianaronoff8217 11 ай бұрын

Noach is completely out of his depth. Discovery are going to get blown out of the water

@ianferguson4728 11 ай бұрын

And what happens when they loot the coffers? The rail system is destroyed, the roads are in a state, they have almost destroyed Eskom, they destroyed SAA. How they going to administer the NHI system.

@isoboy1000 11 ай бұрын

The toxic collision of ANC (Politicians) and Big Business (Capitalists) is now feeling the pinch, these two coming together have halted the economy from opening doors for new players in different industries. ABSA, NEDBANK, STD Bank, CAPITEC and FNB have no competition it's easier for them to collude and fix pricing so is all other industries where its only a handful of companies that own all the spaces. The ANC has made it impossible for new industrialists and new talent to enter the market with red tapes to make sure you don't challenge capital that has been benefitting since apartheid era to date. i am not shocked that it has come to this, now the ANC is trying to get more votes by trying to please the poor.

@roybotha8356 11 ай бұрын

LIke many did during covid, the solution to this new strain of madness is simple, and everyone will have to do it.... Just say NO, and refuse to do it.....EVRYONE with half a brain knows its going to fail horribly and understanding that gives the courage to do what's required and just say NO

@nickeybotha2155 11 ай бұрын

You can't say no if it's deducted from your salary.

@roybotha8356 11 ай бұрын

@@nickeybotha2155 You can if business takes an active stand like they should have at the covid narrative.... From what I see many have woken up to the long term damage "compliance" has done....

@JackSmith-ou1dg 11 ай бұрын

@@roybotha8356 They will simply close down any business that does not comply. These are hard core communists you are talking about. Stalin executed 20 million Russians in the streets, Chairman Mao executed 78 million Chinese. After they close the first 1000 .... 2000 .... 3000, businesses the rest will comply.

@madeleinedonaldson4422 11 ай бұрын

Going by the state of Government Hospitals and Clinics, it will be a disaster They are passing so called Doctors, Pharmacists and nurses with 10% pass rates???? Lack of meds or Doctors sometimes at Clinics , elderly people often travel miles on foot only to find empty clinics , the meds are dated, lack of ambulances, lack of commitment? Moral of the story? Stay healthy, eat natural foods not processed and go back to Old school natural healing🙏🙏🙏🙏

@JackSmith-ou1dg 11 ай бұрын

Even in private SA hospitals these days your treatment in Emergency rooms can be shocking to say the least. They are employing newbie doctors with virtually zero experience.

@doreenmusson4891 11 ай бұрын

If NHI is implemented - which is a big IF we will simply pay cash for good health services. I will NEVER place my health in the hands of incompetent politicians. They thenselves will go overseas for their health like politicians in the whole of Africa do.

@JackSmith-ou1dg 11 ай бұрын

You will need to travel to another country, where will you pay cash to an NHI hospital for better treatment or an operation?

@amandab1760 11 ай бұрын

We pay enormous amounts for medical aids maybe its time to start some court cases discovery or is it going to eat into your Profits too much

@JackSmith-ou1dg 11 ай бұрын

I'd guess it will be impossible and or futile to challenge them in court

@brucebaker8844 11 ай бұрын

Goodbye all our doctors

@JackSmith-ou1dg 11 ай бұрын

Yep the first to go under communist rule are the doctors.

@veronicakarstel9126 11 ай бұрын

Our problem is people dont pay tax, only a few. In NZ nobody gets paid cash, not a waiter, not a gardener, not a painter, so every single person pays taxes

@JackSmith-ou1dg 11 ай бұрын

12+ million unemployed in SA get a grant of R350 pm, no tax applies. 18+ million are living on untaxable grants. The only state organ in SA that works is the tax collection system, so it is very difficult to evade paying tax. In SA 99.9999% of waiters, gardeners, and painters do not earn enough to qualify to pay tax. So even if all those cheating the taxman in SA paid tax it would not help at all.

@thewizzard1588 11 ай бұрын

Of course he's warning against it - less money in his pockets if this actually works (I dont think it will though)

@user-qb7md2hl5k 11 ай бұрын

this proposal should be stopped immediately. It is a non starter , The state is admitting that is incapable of providing health care for a huge part of south Africa's population whereas the states primary responsibility is to look after their citizens. we need to ensure that this ANC government is not re-elected in 2024.

@JackSmith-ou1dg 11 ай бұрын

easier said than done.

@farrel13sw 11 ай бұрын

Brilliant article as per usual. There was always an insinuation that The ceo is eerily silent on the matter.

@peteredmundwilliams7460 11 ай бұрын

What will happen to the money in the medical savings at discovery.?

@JackSmith-ou1dg 11 ай бұрын

anc will steal it.

@chantaldossantos6819 11 ай бұрын

If this interview doesn’t prove how self serving discovery is then I don’t know what will. Individuals are going to be taxed more to fund NHI whilst still being forced to contribute to their medical aid. He is only concerned about the point where private medical aids will not be allowed to provide the service!

@beverleyvrieling4977 11 ай бұрын

Heaven forbid we forced to join ANC National Health.😮

@mookimoves9469 11 ай бұрын

Really! Why are you not litigating for your membership 🤔 not speaking up for us. Says a lot about Discovery itself but you will for yourself and your future im sure

@beverleyvrieling4977 11 ай бұрын

Surely us private medical aid client's can carry on with our preferred medical aid companies.😮

@veronicakarstel9126 11 ай бұрын

Not if ANC gets its way, no private medical aids

@intellifly747 11 ай бұрын

About R2700 extra tax just to be part of the wonderful NHI. No medical tax credit anymore. Then yes possibly still pay private medical aid

@nickeybotha2155 11 ай бұрын

Well yes you can. But you are still going to be taxed heavily for NHI, basically paying twice and it's already unaffordable

@marcchetty6827 11 ай бұрын

So many comments, but until you lived in my situation, where we couldn't afford ,food yet alone medical, aid and relying on government hospital ,that just did the bare minimum, due to huge percentage of people have no choice but rely on public hospitals, thats overwhelmed ,watching mum ,sit for 14 hours in hospital only to given tnt meds and sent home and watched as she got worse While people with medical aid had better treatment .

@7m226 11 ай бұрын

Sorry for your pain. Couldnt be easy. But Do you honestly bemieve the ANC will give better medical treatment to your mother once they have their hands on the money from these medical aids? Also - how many capable Doctors will stay behind in South Africa?

@charmainecarstens1031 11 ай бұрын

so you feel we should all sit for days at a hospital only to be sent home with a panado?

@vleiratfilms2020 11 ай бұрын

Interesting take on health/politics. But why are we giving a clearly political move such credence. This is like the string quartet on the Titanic 🙃

@neilrobinson4323 11 ай бұрын

NHI - on our way to communism

@thewizzard1588 11 ай бұрын

You clearly have not experienced the NHS in the uk. Hence why they are trying very hard to implement American-style healthcare (SA has American-style healthcare) where you only have access if you have money

@angiemac8066 11 ай бұрын

We're already a communist country, where have you been. All about Wef and Who control!!

@metalcake2288 11 ай бұрын

Lol this man would also have you believe it's best to have private police, private water systems, private garbage collection and private fucking air to breathe

@JackSmith-ou1dg 11 ай бұрын

@@metalcake2288 There are more private security "police" than police. Some police stations have private companies guarding them. Many communities have NO water system at the moment.

@monicakieck7501 11 ай бұрын

ANC first need to provide the product.

@JackSmith-ou1dg 11 ай бұрын

The anc do not need to do anything you ask for. They are the majority

@JJ-vs2gi 11 ай бұрын

Discovery doesn't care about their members. My daughter was with them for more than 20 years. She has schizophrenia and on an anti psychotic for many years. They then advised that they will only be covering the generic version which was R6 less. After 2 months on the generic she had a major relapse. That's how much they care!

@majoalemhlope6809 11 ай бұрын

Am 67yrs old, been with them for 17 years, contributed almost R1.4million. Never been hospitalised, am on a lowest dose anti-hypertension medication. Now that I am not working and cant afford the premiums, I must just leave them, they dont have anything affordable for pensioners

@michaelhardman7022 11 ай бұрын

Change in Government. Simple as that.

@JackSmith-ou1dg 11 ай бұрын

Enjoy the all new EFF/ANC combo.

@tommurray5156 11 ай бұрын

Too little too late..

@ruvanefriebus-cv6td 11 ай бұрын

It's gone through and we the people did not receive any benefit at all

@blackdogs1308 11 ай бұрын

My personal experience with the current health care. My son was diagnosed with autism and Asperger's in July 2021 and we only found out about the diagnosis in February this year. I had a CT scan done in August last year and only got the results in March this year. I missed my appointment at Germiston hospital last month due to chronic migraines for which the doctor didn't motivate why I should be getting x amount of painkillers. My problem is now that you cannot make an appointment by phone, you have to go in person, wait for your file to be pulled and make another appointment. A turnaround time of about 3 hours. Then you have to go back for your actual appointment.

@leonhue722 11 ай бұрын

Rather than bring the masses to private hospitals instead take business South Africa with their skills, intellect and work ethic into the state hospitals to better manage the state hospitals. This will eliminate corruption enabling an improved health care service for all.

@beverleyvrieling4977 11 ай бұрын

Very very interesting.

@RungeCarl 11 ай бұрын

NHI - Socialism at it's worst. We need to vote the ANC out.

@Jouantiese 11 ай бұрын

Shares are back to 2015 ZAR level. Nothing fantastic.

@Jouantiese 11 ай бұрын

No reason to panic. Every reason to prepare.

@JackSmith-ou1dg 11 ай бұрын

Looks too late now.

@gordonrailton6865 11 ай бұрын

Would you trust this oke, who punted the vaccine like crazy?

@ronniemoonsamy4751 11 ай бұрын

Well firstly all the medical aid companies will suffer. Why because they charge Pvt rates. So high that ordinary people can not afford. Pvt doctors will be booted out because they are the ones that caused this and hospitals. Doctors should treat patients to save lives and also luve decent. Im guttered by they way they do business. U try taking someone to a pvt hispital with out medical aid. They will not treat u. They send you to government hospital. So good on the government in getting this signed and passed. Discovery can start selling there Sandton Space ship that they used all the medical aid earnings.

@beverleyvrieling4977 11 ай бұрын

We on the "road to nowhere"😮

@firstcomment749 11 ай бұрын

How about putting the shoe on the other foot - get gov's short, medium + long term plans on the table, with projections re population growth, expected foreigners, pre-programmed plagues, with budgets for each plan including how it will influence taxes + the fiscus to pay for it all. Speculation on how it may or cannot work, is inviting all + sundry to guess + to present their bucket list. What SA do need is more transparency re taxes spent. Guessing games unfortunately is not good enough anymore.

@velvlerk 11 ай бұрын

Let look what these lame duck said in lockdown?

@anthonyzwarts8708 Ай бұрын

I didn’t know that the Discovery CEO so handsome 😍

@AIRview2 11 ай бұрын

At ladt...thought they will never say anything

@hedleyfurio 11 ай бұрын

Aren’t Discovery custodians of their members contributions . They receive billions , take a portion of that to run the business and reward shareholders and pay out members claims . It may be an idea for them to ask all their providers of capital ( the members ) what their posture should be . This is not Sweden , but South African . When banging on and virtue signalling about inequity and saying we need change it to focus on changing peoples capacity to look after themselves and their children . The root cause of anxiety and tension is unmet expectations , but every election cycle the government over promises and under delivers . Here we go again , free healthcare , extended and increased Covid grants . When comparing to other countries please find one with our unemployment rate , our lack of education , our lack of required skills , our level of violence , our racist BBBEE policies .

@jbbotha Ай бұрын

I think, and we think, that it's entirely inequitable that the majority of South Africans have poor access to high quality mansions and luxury cars, relative to what Ryan Noach has. And it's also not fair that people, only a kilometer from where he's sitting, don't have access to his many luxury vehicles and holiday homes. No, they have to walk, use a taxi to get around and stay in a shack, while Noach has the pick of several luxury cars and holiday homes. That not fair. That’s not tenable. So, we do have an unsustainable, unequitable and unbearable situation. What a cloud of hot air! Do they ever listen to themselves? Who in their right mind actually believes this BS? Furthermore, it is strongly my view, we need change. And Mr Noach seemingly agrees with this, so why doesn’t he start by spreading some of his love? Nahhh! It’s just lip service. Humanistic and Communist pipedreams that can never come to successful fruition. But hey, he’s got to toe the party line as to not become state enemy #1. Where the hell do people get this “it’s your right” to this or that idea from? Everything good is a bloody privilege man! Nobody owes you nothing! He's right about the food supply analogy though.

@heinifalk809 11 ай бұрын

You are a little misguided Mr CEO. The woman who falls in you office have been paying diligently for years every month R5000 to be able to enjoy the best medical care. The guy from Alex haven't contributed a cent yet expect the same care?

@AndrePieterse-hx7dq 11 ай бұрын

I just wish you would reimburse for my international medical costs …6 months later!!!!

@hedleyfurio 11 ай бұрын

Why don’t the government fix up all the public hospitals first . They need equipment , doctors , nurses and lots more . Or is this just another looting spree for self enrichment ?

@renerene1717 11 ай бұрын

NHI.....is that now the same as the BO*b*a*m*a's junk? Most of the hospitals are also in junk status ..... What the heck!

@warrenthomson7079 11 ай бұрын

CHICKEN

@Gmac025 11 ай бұрын

Discovery Health is the best health company in the World period! Ryan you too modest!

@nickeybotha2155 11 ай бұрын

They are bloody ripoff. Constant increases and less benefits. They took over the administration for Bankned and now everything has to come off your savings. We have way less benefits now and paying more. Had to take out additional gap cover because they simply don't pay like it was previously

@truth-Hurts375 11 ай бұрын

Rich White chest pains!!!

@NG-PE 11 ай бұрын

Come now, don't complaint now, THIS IS THE DEMOCRACY that you have been financing ... enjoy

@fredstemmett3448 9 ай бұрын

OMG. Is Discovery BBEEE compliant? If you are you are another ANC cadre🏴‍☠️

@isoboy1000 11 ай бұрын

Lets get rid of BEE so that private sector can be on its own and politicians no longer benefit, that way none of these two do favours for each other. The government should pursue making it easier for small businesses to access the market and make the competition fair.

@JackSmith-ou1dg 11 ай бұрын

They are communists, and communists do not tolerate small businesses. There are no private businesses in Cuba, except maybe the taxi drivers using bicycles towing little carts to carry you around.

@5801160052086 11 ай бұрын

There's really no need for this whole NHI beast, the operating theaters in govt hospitals work as well as private hospitals, it's the ward management, infrastructure maintenance and attitudes if nursing staff that needs to change in govt facilitiea

@metalcake2288 11 ай бұрын

Very good point, because government workers all have the same attitude as those nurses. It's quite disgusting.

@charmainecarstens1031 11 ай бұрын

@@metalcake2288 unfortunately we are seeing more and more of the same attitude in the private hospitals