I'm am so very sad 😭😭 but depression is an illness . Please reach out for help if you feel you need it . My prayers sent 🙏

I wouldn't exactly call 61 years OLD AGE 🙄

Robin Williams

Yes and a full head of hair . As a bald guy I get it .

He would drink liquor constantly

Psychedelic’s definitely have potential to deal with mental health symptoms like anxiety and depression.

The Trips I've been having have really helped me a lot,I finally feel in control of my emotions and my future and things that used to be mundane to me now seem incredible and full of nuance on top of that I'm way less driven by my ego and I have alot more empathy as well

Tripping is not really bad but find a good mycologist Who will teach you the right things you need to know

@@Wizard-jf8rp it's so difficult to source Here 😟

@@sherrimandel6983 came across some comments about myco_louiis. I must recommend he is good at what he does

Fame and drugs are driving people nuts !

Personally, I think he had cyclothemic disorder, like me. Mostly because he was so functional. Even Bipolar II wouldn't be that well hidden for that long. Doctors just do not see cyclothemic disorder. If you don't have extended depressive periods, or extended hypomanic periods, they say you're just depressed. But treating the depression doesn't treat the cyclothemic disorder as a whole.

Thanks for sharing that. That's just so ...incredible and believable at the same time.

I hope your baby was ok.

@@bingonamo7520 he was, birth defects from drugs and alcohol abuse happen later in pregnancy. I stopped using before I was 6 weeks.

@@loreleialexander8607 That's good to know. Glad you are both ok.

I agree! I found this episode strangely soothing & eye-opening. Such genuinely compassionate words - thanks @Dr. Todd Grande

No, it's not our fault.

🖤

Do not blame yourself for knowing what people are thinking no.. Never..

Sometimes those thoughts are not your own. Especially if they are repeatative and negative. You don't have to listen to every thought either. You can let them pass by or ignore them if you choose. You are the analyst of those thoughts, pay attention to them and choose the ones you want to keep.

That's a very nice post! 😊

Amen. I really hope that too!

Most Cucks are nice guys and great fathers and step fathers.

That's fantastic , what A loving person we all should aspire to , people that have experienced a lot of pain somehow can give more love , we are all equal no matter what decisions we make

Thank you for telling us about that.

So sad

Do help where ever you can. Keep reaching out. It makes such a difference, even if they don't express it. The depressed person constantly struggles w/ negative feelings they have to fight that negativity not spilling back onto who they are.

Pray for him. God love him. You’re doing the best you can.

This is, as usual, a deeply sensitive episode from Dr Grande. In my family and maybe many families depression is seen through the lens of morality. It is seen as a moral failing in the person - which can add to the despair and self- loathing of the sufferer. sufferer.

@@sallywillis1448 I hope it's not many families. That's harsh to be judged as somehow immoral and a failure for having depression. What is more common in families is that they just don't understand it. They think they get depressed to and just throw it off and carry on, and don't understand clinical depression is like being in a dungeon while everyone else is in the sunlight.

Anthony Bourdain was a hero of mine. It was horrible news, when he died.

yes very nice and sweet personality

That's real to me.

I don't believe for one minute that his death was suicide nor was Kate Spade a suicide. these were deaths by homicide. Pedo Obama and the witch HRC.

At first look Anthony comes off as cynical, but I think he was somewhat like many of us who are extremely sensitive, care about other people, injustices in this world, etc. Being like that makes it extremely difficult to just live in this world, & when you add lifelong depression to it, it becomes almost impossible to breathe & keep going sometimes. From what little I’ve heard about Asia Argento, I think she probably has a similar sensitivity as well. It’s likely what drew them to each other & caused them to have a volition relationship as well. I don’t think it’s fair to blame her for his death. My guess is she hates herself for it & blames herself more than the rest of the world ever could. The best thing for everyone to do is pray for the repose of Anthony’s soul, for Asia, Anthony’s daughter, & all his family & friends. I remember seeing seeing video of his daughter after his death, & it broke my heart.

Exactly. I would only like to add, to those wondering, that the reason some people leave their children like Bourdain abandoned his daughter when he killed himself, is that the depression tells them that everyone, including their children, are better off without them.

@@thatsalt1560 Yes. Another of the lies that depression makes its victims believe. When depression gets to that point, victims must take steps to survive. Get help. Take medication if that's what ensures your survival. Depression is an enemy; it isn't a weakness or feeling sorry for oneself.

Good comment.

@@TheSouthIsHot this. So many people view it as feeling sorry for yourself when you finally have the courage to open up, but they don’t realize you’ve been bottling it so long and you’re only hearing it now because I’m about to explode.

@@bartholomewpinecone6562 Yes. It takes an immense amount of courage for a victim of depression to talk about it. The last thing they need is to be blamed. People need to be educated that depression isn't a choice and, when someone talks about it, they need to be encouraged to get help because they are battling a powerful enemy that can't be conquered alone.

When Anthony Bourdain died I had only just begun to watch his CNN show & I was so sad. One of my favorite is when he & Barack Obama (at the time former US President) ate a meal in a humble restaurant. It was magical. Bourdain at the time of that show seemed more interested in the people than any particular food he was eating. That made the show deeper than worship of food which seems to be so big now. Shows about food contests using weird food combos to win money is a turn off. It's the people eating the food & having conversations about whatever that made his show great.

Yes, that really sums it all up, doesn't it? ❤

Thank fuck for Seroxat .

Check out the KZfaq videos - this psychologist named Michael Yapko wrote a book about this. Depression is a social disease, and it's sad. A depressed person craves being pulled out of the muck, but will often pull others into it. Just beacause a person never feels like doing anything doesn't mean you should stop asking. My husband forced me to go to a local writer's group. I ended up making a dear friend because of it. It's hard to rejoin the living, but it's the only way to get past this awful disease.

@@dianegordon5366 I agree. A lot of people just give up on friends/family members who are really suffering. That just adds to the depression. Glad to hear your husband was able to help you find something you enjoy, and a new friend. It really is difficult getting back into life. The longer you stay away, the harder it is. Good luck to you! ❤

@@LDiamondz It's so true that family tends to give up. They just assume you'll be alright, and in the meantime, you feel like you're dying of rejection at times. Plus the heavy weight of having to wake up to face each day, really not waning to, but being told you must,for some inexplicable reason.

Spot on 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿

Fame and drugs are people driving nuts!

What a great comparison! I never realized it till now. But many years ago, with 4 children, the sound of the full dryer going felt to me like purpose and security and warmth - things I thot I’d always have. I’d forgotten all about it, now that I am old and alone….and dryers don’t sound like they used to….to me.

I miss him too.

Totally believe that!

@@A2D4 This is a little off topic but when I was young my Mom was cheap, (her admission), so she would keep the thermostat very low in the mornings before school. She was gone, so I would sit on top of the dryer to eat breakfast for warmth. I still sometimes think of that when I hear the dryer. So much for saving energy !!

And this is the fact of life, everybody needs a home. The woman is the traditional home of man. Modernity ruined the woman by ruining the ‘home’ she was meant to be. Unrewarded by life, bound to be buffeted by it’s waves like a vagabond, man can die of spirit. First we make men into beasts, then the beast eats the man.

We miss him too. Such a warm and humble person.

With respect, that's so much like idol worshipping (not literally) to me.

@@thatsalt1560 what I believe is that he was only warm towards those with his own ideologies. He was very much a close-minded liberal type.

@@Golgi-Gyges Where do you get your information from ? How did you even make that assumption?

@@Golgi-Gyges What exactly do you mean by "close-minded liberal type"?

@@ronaldrenegade8519 What an idiotic statement. Probably the dumbest thing I’ve read in a while. You have a profound misunderstanding of human behavior. Absolute joke.

You're right and the psyche experts have a term to describe the sheer inertia of it: "leaden paralysis". I sympathize. I struggle with this and it's a bodily affliction, not a made up excuse. Others don't understand and judge laziness. I hope you are able to feel better and better.

@@lisbethbird8268 Any advice on overcoming this crippling affliction?

@@Mr.DerekReese I'm not qualified to advise folks, and I don't know your situation, and still struggle myself. Maybe some of my thoughts for me would resonate or help you shift. Change gears. This is just in the moment top of my head. For me the paralysis seems rooted in accumulated trauma as an actual freeze response around some events in my life. Everything from health challenges and physical pain, to interpersonal challenges and being targeted. It seemed overwhelming because there are just too many problems and where, how do I start? My brain isn't working right, my body is full of pain. Can't even figure out what is important and no motivation. I'm thinking some small things have helped a little and the first is to try to take small steps to help your physical health; *because* you are dealing with a physical sense of paralysis. Small, doable *actions* you can take*now*. My examples include practicing a little meditation and trying to recover by eating a much healthier way, necessitating attention to this and cooking for myself. I happen to enjoy both of these enough to get a little motivation. Key is small, concrete actions. There are a million of them but I can only do one by one. As soon as you begin to move a little you're almost certain to start feeling slowly less paralyzed. Second goal is to work on a mental shift as well. To consciously examine the emotional landscape and deliberately take small actions to change it. To learn to detach just enough to be able to decide which attitudes you want to engage and which ones you don't want to indulge. I don't have any actual therapy or medication (and have had bad experience with SSRI in the past) but taking a small dose of the amino acid precursor 5HTP has definitely helped me through the worst of this. You can get it in the drugstore or online inexpensively. Do a little research, try a couple hundred mg. Its now considered safe to use with most antidepressants if taken separately. It works or doesn't within days so you know right away if it helps. Best wishes...and just do something! Even if you have to force it at first.

@@lisbethbird8268 Thank you for such a thoughtful response. You're right. Although sometimes it feels next to impossible, I know when I get moving and just put my body in motion DOING something productive, I almost immediately start feeling a little better.

With the right therapist. If talk therapy doesn't work, it can cause the depressed person to feel worse and even more hopeless. If this happens, please don't give up, not all therapists are created equal, seek help in finding the right one for you.

@Anne Marie. I'm so glad therapy worked out well for you. I'm sure your journey to health seemed long, but here you are.😊

❤️🥰

Therapy from a psychiatrist? They aren't therapists, they're doctors. I see a psychiatrist for and about my condition and medications only. I see trained therapists or psychologists for CBT, OT and currently Psychotherapy.

I'm very glad it helped you out! 😀. Talking with a trained professional is so much different to talking to a friend or loved one as they teach you techniques on things and in time you basically become your own therapist 😁

Me too. It just broke my heart.

Meant a lot to him as well.

Same here, especially because his life feels like a mirror of my own.

I too was hurting for months after his death

Same. This is me 100%.

it was over her, left out was she posted something neg to his ig the day before he killed himself and then took it down, she is a witch'

Exactly

It’s also so hard to explain to someone who hasn’t been there.

Whoa...I forgot about that.

I forgot about Kate Spade. So heartbreaking when life is lost to depression.

Yep.... coincidence? I think not!

I wish they would have found each other here in this world. 💕

That's so sad....

Same here, I've got the video cued up but....having to bring myself to watch it. Honestly, it just goes to show that those things, worldly goods/experience, don't really matter at the end of the day. Life has meaning with more simple things like family and human connection and he lost so much in that area of his life. I read that he felt immense guilt for not being a better father and losing his marriage/family. I hope his daughter can understand someday, gotta be hard on a kid to have a famous father go that way

The day he died, I played "Midnight Train to Georgia" over and over, different versions, for hours. No idea where it came from, but ever since that day, that's his song, in my mind.

Well said Rip AB! 😞🙏🏼

I must have watched all his shows. He was never at ease....his hand movements gave it away, they were always moving even when he was walking.

@@lisbethbird8268 Lisbeth, that’s what I used to call my sister.

♡♡

True, I don’t know this to be true BUT I think the Asia Argento RAPE situation kind added to his depression cause it kind of felt weird how CORRECTLY the timeline fit on his layers of added depression…

nothing distorted, the girl was using him , then he found out the fought over IG and then killed himself.

That's an interesting way to put it: "one of my people."

Same. You felt a connection to him. You knew he was our people.

@@wendigo1919 it is intresting how we, normal people, connect deeply with certain celebrities as if in some strange way we are indeed connected to them spiritually or something of that nature. I feel this type of connection with Jim Morrison, like is a family member or a close friend.

Same 💛🥹

Thank you for your post!

you are so right the lows are really bad like the worst type of pain i felt in my life. it’s worse pain than getting burnt from something or breaking a bone. it’s a heavy deep emotional pain that manifests into physical pain as well. at it’s worst i felt like a layer of bricks were on top of me preventing me from leaving my bed. and i feel like no one can truly understand how bad it is unless they suffer from it themselves. none of my friends or family get it. they may think that you are exaggerating, being dramatic or that it’ll pass. but no it’s a life long illness full of ups and downs.

I am so glad you posted! Your post could help someone else feel hopeful and understood!

I was just about to post in the comments about how terrible it is as to what the brain can trick the person into thinking or doing. I had B vitamin malabsorption to the point of manias and depression. Supplementation and counseling about unrelated issues has made things far better and the strong manias never returned. The polyneuropathies that came with the same malabsorption issues have to be maintained though.

There is hope. I've stayed on treatment for the last 23 years. Life does get better. ❤

you can blame the italian user. it was over her, left out was she posted something neg to his ig the day before he killed himself and then took it down, she is a witch'

@@tankthearc9875 Triggers are not always causes.

@@slofty No, they are not. Impulse-control. If I were to actually carry out the urge to slice and dice every eggplant MFK that offended me --------->> Trust me . . . there'd be alot of DEAD 'egg-plants'. Plus, I dunno about killing myself over a gossipy FLOOZY. . . ESPECIALLY if I got a precious little one to raise. I'd LIVE for her! (Even if I felt like dying. Which is a feeling not hard to have) If I don't understand that. . . then (I'm sorry) I havn't GROWN UP. (No matter how "high" my I.Q.)

@@tankthearc9875 Witches are nice people, she's a bitch, but that is an unfortunate insult to dogs.

I miss him too

Affected

Ariane would now be 15, and I also wonder how she and her mother have been doing. It must be pure anguish to lose a parent to suicide when you're just a kid. :(

Exactly, loved the show and especially felt badly for his child and her mum.

@@Papin47 oh yeah definitely. On roadrunner, her mother talked about a point where he seemed happy and she felt she could step back a bit but she says it with so much regret. I can’t imagine what his daughter has made of all this because all she knew was a dad who cooked great food and played with her and she was just too young to lose her dad like this and know how to make any sense of it

Beautiful words....I feel the same. Best part of my Sunday evening, too.

What courage to function through the unbearable pain of depression.

The one on Prince Harry (Potthead) is 👍🏼 as well.

@@johnschlottman619 Thanks. I missed that one. I'll check it out.

Exactly! As a nurse I said that over and again to teach people better. If someone has diabetes, they don't get embarrassed, whisper about it and hide it. Things are at least more in the open today, I believe it has saved lives.

💜

It is also utterly undertreated. At least where I am. The mental health care is almost non existent. Lack of mental health workers, inadequate emergency care. My boyfriend who I have known since 1982 has had something very wrong for about 18 months now. He spent 5 days in the hospital. I asked daily for a psych eval and one was never done. We followed up with his interim MD. His regular MD had just quit private practice. Even his interim MD realized something was wrong and this was only his 2nd time meeting him. We waited the 6 long months it took to get in to see the neuro psychiatrist as hospital follow up. Well, they never followed up with him. Or if they tried they failed. He won't answer his phone. No one ever called me either and they had my number. Hippa laws make everything that much harder. So here we are almost 2 years later. He thinks he is fine and continues to go untreated. I'm going to be admitted before he ever gets help. The system here has completely failed him. His doctors office never followed up when he stopped going. I have no rights without him signing the paperwork so I can't do anything but watch him suffer. I know now why we have such a huge homeless population here. I'm not saying all homeless people are mentally ill but it seems most here have some issues. If I finally got fed up and said you have to go what would happen to him? He isn't working, caring for himself or even talking at times. He vasilates between childlike to aggressive with a few stops in between. He would end up on the streets and become another statistic. How can I get him help? Who knows. He has been to the ER 2 x since original stay and nothing is ever done. Even on a 24 hour police hold nothing was done. I'm just happy he doesn't seem to get aggressive much anymore and I try to remind myself he isn't doing anything on purpose. (He is exasperating at times) and pray. What else can you do? He won't seek help and the system here is beyond broken. Another example, it took a suicide attempt to finally get my friends 20 something y/o son the help he needed. She tried for moths to get him help to no avail prior to that. I don't understand why mental health is so undervalued. I know there is a shortage of workers. other reasons? i have no clue. I honestly think If some effort was put in to treat those in need a whole lot of society would be better off, happier and improved all around.

@@infinitejest.4994 as an advocate, do you have any insight as to why (in my opinion ) so many with mental illness are untreated? As in our case, no one seems to want to be bothered. This is the medical community I'm referring to. I could be off base but it seems like unless you are a harm to yourself or someone else then your illness just doesn't matter. Even if you are a danger to others it doesn't seem to matter. I guess if it's family or a significant other who is in danger it doesn't count. Lol I'm being sarcastic a little here but I'm telling a true story and at this point I'm just angry. The lack of care or concern for mental illness here is so egregious its staggering. I have watched some of the homeless around here who appeared to act typical when they first came to this area spiral further and further into their own reality. It breaks my heart that so many go untreated and have to live In what can be a very dark, scary place. It seems when it comes to people living with mental illness there would be a way for someone to get them help when they are aware of the need. Something other then involuntary commitment. I'm rambling, I'm sorry. I do wonder though your thoughts on this. Also anyone else's thoughts who wouldn't mind sharing

@@mousepolice55 you are a really supportive partner and don’t give up the fight. i completely relate to all your frustrations except i don’t have as much support or anyone helping me. i used to judge homeless people but now i live in fear that i’m going to end up like that. we don’t choose to be born or experience certain traumas in life. it’s unfair that obtaining help and resources is down to either pure luck, social connections, or money 💰

His family though, can you imagine what they're going through though? Damn.

ME TOO ... VERY SAD ... MISS him totally

yes , I was shocked and I was very sad. He was not alone but he did not know it. I think when you do something for only business and work work work , you are isolated and you don't realize ho much you mean for others.

We went to the Venetian restaurant in Burano he mentioned. The risotto was as good as he said. We mentioned that to the chef and his face just lit up when I mentioned Bourdain. AB never knew how many lives he touched!

What a lovely memory. I recreated his trip to a Parisian restaurant and a few places in Asia I wish it had occur to me to mention his name to them, that’ was clever.

I hear you. I remember exactly where I was and What I was doing when John Lennon was murdered, and also when Jerry Garcia's death was first reported. Bourdain hurt more, maybe because he chose it.

It’s All found in Jesus ❤️

Best of luck to you Stacy

Stacy, wishing you great, good results with your therapy. Remember, it can be difficult work, but also remember you are very wise reaching out for help, and you are also very strong and will win in the end. Admiration. PS. If this therapist just doesn’t seem right for you after 3-4 sessions, you should look for a different one. The therapeutic relationship you have with with him/her is critical to success.

If it's not a good fit with the therapist don't give up. It's common to take a while for the right therapist.

Therapists use different techniques & also bring different educational & personal backgrounds. As someone else mentioned, keep looking until you find the right one. You're worth it!

Every time I would watch his wonderful wanderlust program I would long to be with him. Too bad we never met. I could have been the one to lead the blind...into the light.!

I am an empath and I have the ability to show people the way

I struggled with depression for half a century til I was diagnosed with a congenital disorder affecting B12 levels. Since getting on B12 injections in 2015 I haven’t had any depressive episodes despite being under extreme stress at times.

@@nhmooytis7058 We may have the same problem. I have a double mutation on the MTHFR gene. I would encourage anyone who has persistent depression with no abuse or trauma to be tested for this or other genetic abnormalities. For most of my life, not only was I depressed, but I felt guilty because there was no reason to be depressed. I encourage anyone suffering from mental health struggles to get help. Treatments and knowledge about the brain have come a long way.

@@lisaruzicka8345 yes physical causes for depression should always be ruled out first. My problem is lack of ‘intrinsic factor’ in my digestive system. No one ever tested me for any physical cause for the recurring depressions except for thyroid, I was on Synthroid for 33 years with no effect on depression. Went off it in 2018 with no effects at all so I have to wonder if I needed it all those years!

@@lisaruzicka8345 This is excellent advice.

That's lovely.

Well said.

@@Dennzer1 thank you. Dr. Grande also took a deep dive into Anthony's mental illness. Hopefully this analysis will help those in need of therapy.

@@anitamiller7960 thank you Anita.

Very well said.

I'm surprised you say you could feel the depression emanating from him. I only watched a few episodes, but i wouldn't have guessed. I also suffer w/ depression and somehow I didn't recognize it. He seemed high functioning, but then again, some depressives are like that.

@@saintejeannedarc9460 I have depression also. The show itself was sort of depressing so maybe it was just the way it was filmed. So you know what I mean? He had a very low monotone voice when talking about the cities and stuff. Maybe it’s just me.

@@corning1 It could be a takes one to know one kind of thing. I didn't want to ask if you had it too, but you were obviously intuitive. He wasn't on my radar. I sort of heard about his self deleting and then sort of checked him out. Just watched an episode on his visit to Montreal and he just seemed like someone loving food and loving life. All I could tell was that he was rough around the edges and you can definitely tell there's something w/ drugs and alchohol either in the past or the present w/ him.

@@saintejeannedarc9460 I could tell with robin williams too that wasn’t a surprise. I don’t really follow actors and musicians and stuff

I had a close friend who lost a brilliant son to suicide. Of all the kind people who tried to comfort the heart broken father one person had a message that stuck; “You don’t know how many days you got him through.”

I'm not a celebrity-follower myself, so I usually am not affected by their comings and goings, but I really respected Anthony Bourdain and I loved his shows. He was a talented and wonderful person, and it breaks my heart to know he personally felt that he wasn't. Depression is insidious.

Same here.

You guys might think I’m dumb but try fuck that’s delicious

not even your parents, significant others, kids, families, close friends etc? wow such a drama queen

@@nagaganas7927 He began by saying ,".....any other person who I have never actually met......" So no, the people who you listed in your comment would not fall into this category. And no, he's not a drama queen. Anthony Bourdain's death was a blow to me as well. Clearly, It was a blow to lots of people because it ran on national news for days and days and days afterwards.

I have the book but still haven’t read it.

It's because the actual drug is divorced from the method of imbibing. You don't smoke nicotine, you smoke a cigarette. It's similar with caffeine and alcohol. It allows people to indulge in substances that are socially acceptable and praised, while being divorced from the fact the it is, indeed, a drug... which can and often do have negative consequences.

He used to drink alchohol tremendously

Or coffee, tea, sodas….energy drinks are hell on the heart.

Also to consider: restaurant cooking is actually a seriously adrenaline fueled occupation. I know this for a fact, though I never cooked anywhere remotely fancy. Those dinner shifts every night ...he could probably take coke just for what felt like a much needed boost of energy. And then afterwards the alcohol and/or heroin or methadone to level off. It's part of the industry culture, not that drugs are used universally; but it's not unusual either, especially in high end, competitive markets.

One can smoke cigarette and drive, drugs unlike tobacco change behaviour .

Asia argento?

Yes he covered AAs costs as she was being sued for sleeping with a co star when he was under age. Possibly Anthony knew that was about to hit the headlines and everything combined meant he couldn't face the backlash. He did leave several million to his daughter but it was not as much as you would expect from someone with a high media profile

It’s been said that he would have felt guilt and shame for being with such an outspoken “me too” activist, then finding out she SA a child.

she is a witch, it was over her, left out was she posted something neg to his ig the day before he killed himself and then took it down.

Amber reminds me of her

especially after you realize the woman you supported and bailed out financially was using you and cheating.

It’s a permanent solution for a temporary problem. That’s what we need to remember.

@@claire9702 This ignorant platitude needs to go. When you are so depressed that you are at the point of considering suicide, one of the reasons for reaching that point is because when you are depressed, you don’t / can’t see that the problem is temporary. Your problems are permanent. Therefore, no amount of moralistic, clever-sounding catch-phrases such as this one will have any impact on how the person is feeling or thinking. All this throwaway line does is to confirm for the sufferer that no-one understands. If you are not depressed, of course that “temporary problem” makes sense. It is a helpful saying, but only for those who are not depressed. When I myself am not depressed, I agree with it. When I am depressed, there’s no way I can even see it, let alone consider it worth thinking about. “Temporary” does not exist anymore. When you say “we,” I don’t know if you are referring to everybody or to those who (like you) suffer from depression. I hope you aren’t the latter, because it’s terrifying when you get to the stage when nothing is temporary any more. I hope you never feel it, or never feel it again if you have. Please, everybody, try to understand the mindset here. Stop throwing these words at people, thinking that it will change their thinking. It can’t. It doesn’t. It is critical of the person and says, “You’re wrong. I’m right. Listen to me.” No. Listen to them. They are the ones who are hurting so badly. Stop trying to “correct” their thinking. It doesn’t work that way. They don’t need to hear yet another way of how they have so many problems, i.e. that they are unable, or refuse, to “get” the “temporary” position or argument. Please. Don’t bring this idea up. It may be meaningful to you; it is not meaningful for the person who is unable to see it.

@@IWillHaveThePastaThanks I am speaking from experience. Yes I have been there where at the time it is not temporary, the distorted thinking in depression, especially in severe melancholic depression gives one no insight whatsoever into the fact that things can and will improve, in fact one might not even believe they are suffering any type of mental illness at all, it is more likely one believes it’s a personal fault within themselves and therefore permanent, making suicide a viable solution. I KNOW, and I understand what you are saying. I in no way want to invalidate the experience of another person. My point for my comment is this: Having suffered clinical depression for thirty years where some episodes of have been severe and prolonged, some close to being fatal in terms of the subject we are speaking about, I KNOW that recovery IS POSSIBLE, that despite all of the above, there are periods of recovery, of meaningful connections, of love and joy to look forward to. So there is hope, even though it seems there never will be. And if trying to give one hope invalidates their experience I’m sorry about that but I am speaking from lived experience.

@@claire9702 I appreciate your comment. I now understand what you were “getting at.” Your last sentence made your reason for using the phrase legitimate.

He visited Brazil many times, he was humble and very down to earth, pleasant person.