DIY Su-57 Felon with Ducted Fan or Pusher Prop : Which One is Better?

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9 ай бұрын

I made this Sukhoi because I already made an F-22 Raptor plans, because I think it would be interesting if I made its rival too which is Sukhoi Su-57 Felon or in Russia known as T-50 PAK FA. This model is not design specifically for neither EDF or pusher prop, I just design the model airfame that can be built with 5-6mm foam board or depron or polyfoam, without any propulsion mounting design. You have to figure out yourself, but you can see on the build video how I install a single 70mm EDF on center between the two exhaust. For this setup I use FMS 12 blades 6S 70mm EDF, with 2.6 kg thrust with 80A ESC and 6S 2200mAh Lipo, I think it's more than enough than the weight itself. I also convert it from EDF to pusher prop using DXW 3536 1200kv brushless motor, 10 inch prop, 50A ESC and 3S 2200 mAh Lipo. Both perform well, while there's some problem in the beginning, you can see it on the build video on KZfaq.
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Specs :
1. Wingspan 1000mm / 39.37 inches
2. Flying weight : 1028 grams/ 36.3 oz
3. Wing loading :20.4 gram/dm2 - 6.7 oz/sq.ft.
4. Wing cube loading : 2.9
5. Wing Area : 50.35 dm2 / 780 sq.in.
6. CG : 8 cm / 5.39 inch from Wing Break
Electronics for test (pusher prop)
- DXW 3536 1200kv
- Prop 10x6 (2 blades)
- 50A ESC
- Battery Lipo 4S 2200mah
- 4 x 9 gram servos (micro servo)
Electronics for test (EDF)
- FMS 70mm 12 blades 6S EDF
- 80A Predator ESC
- Battery Lipo 3S 2200mah x2 (series connection)
- 4 x 9 gram servos (micro servo)
Transmitter
- Jumper T16 + BetaFPV Express LRS TX module
- 10 ch BetaFPV Express LRS RX

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@AEROERGO 9 ай бұрын

You know what i like of your videos?, the fact that you show how hard could be sometimes the path from the maiden flight to the final plane configuration. Many channels show just how was build it and then flying flawlessly. So many beginners thought that scratchbuild and fly is very easy, when actually is not. Thanks a lot for this video!

@JuliusPerdana 9 ай бұрын

hahaha thanks, on this video there are 7 flights with 6 crashes, actually it was 8 flights, all 7 ended up in crash lol. I assumed landing on water is not crashing lol

@felixsrcworld5112 9 ай бұрын

Setuju pernyataan anda bung👍

@AEROERGO 9 ай бұрын

@@felixsrcworld5112 Terima kasih ! ☺

@antongolovko6257 9 ай бұрын

Great work, really good. But pls dont respect anithing russian, this terrorists state bombs civil people. This is a murderers aircraft. Not for defence. One day they can come to yours home too. Hope we will stand and win. Greetings from Ukraine!

@dipereira0123 9 ай бұрын

@@JuliusPerdana Dont be too hard on yourself! those wasnt crashes, remember, Every landing where you walk out of the plane is a good landing, if the plane can still be used later then its a great landing so it was a great landing x6 ;D

@richardkan8499 9 ай бұрын

Unbelievable how tough your model is - still flying after so many crashes. I should try building mine out of foam to be this survivable!

@JuliusPerdana 9 ай бұрын

thank you, packing tapes hold it together, for me I'm surprised on how durable the plastic primer is, not any single chipping paint.

@richardkan8499 9 ай бұрын

Am also so impressed that you use parcel tape. Could this become brittle with age? Like it dries out and crumbles?

@rcbinchicken 9 ай бұрын

@@richardkan8499 It depends on the brand. I have had some packing tapes go a little bit brittle with age, and others completely unaffected. Funnily enough, the worst for that is the fibreglass-strand-reinforced packing tape. The adhesive they use turns yellow and crystalline with UV exposure, and loses all its stickiness.

@videorowtv5198 9 ай бұрын

Hi, it's called a leading edge flap, it helps direct air over the wing during high angle of attack so the plane doesn't stall. Also very nice build!

@militarycomparisons 8 ай бұрын

but nice aircraft

@onyxfinger7431 8 ай бұрын

nope, that's a levcon - leading edge vortex controller

@nmakala9 6 ай бұрын

It is not quite that. The Russians call them Levcons, and their objective to control the formation wing root vortices

@user-ly7lr5vz9g 4 ай бұрын

Нет, мы не называем их «левкон». Это отклоняемая кромка крыла.

@Animboyexe 8 ай бұрын

now we can say that there are 12 SU 57s in this world which means, theres an entire squadron of them

@JuliusPerdana 7 ай бұрын

Lol

@Animboyexe 7 ай бұрын

@@JuliusPerdana indeed

@juliap.5375 7 ай бұрын

Where did you get this numbers? 😂 Amount of jets is classified and unknown. Before 2014 when Russia increased level of security, country produced by 100 different jets per year only for internal usage (and dozens for foreigners). It is public numbers. According to Soviet experience, it means in 2-3 times more produced secretly. So, at least 200 jets per year. From that times Russia increased amount of production. How do we know this? Factories nowadays working in 2 and some even 3 shifts (24/7 non stop). It means production increased in 2-3 times. So, now is produced at least 400 jets per year. New factory for Su-57 launched in 2019. So, according to basic logic, there are at least several dozens or more likely few hundreds of Su-57. You reminded West which year ago told that Russia have cruise missiles only for 1-2 month of usage. Surprise, Russia already used more than West produced for last 20 years and still use almost each day. If you forgot, in Russia all military factories are state owned, country have all resources (from energy to metals) in unlimited amount, it means for Russia weapons de facto cost nothing. And production is limited only by amount of workers. Are you forgot how europeans failed back in 1940s when attacked Russia. They also was sure, in Russia no weapons. Surprise, Russia had and then produced more than entirely huge Europe.

@Animboyexe 7 ай бұрын

@@juliap.5375 last time I heard there’s 12 of them because if crappy economy

@user-zj4pm1zv6r 4 ай бұрын

@@Animboyexe их уже больше 200 штук su 57

@johnwalsh1879 9 ай бұрын

Fantastic jet. You just keep going fair play bud. Well done

@JuliusPerdana 9 ай бұрын

Thanks 👍

@EDF_FANatic 8 ай бұрын

Wish I could build like that. That's a gorgeous su 57!

@davehenry-hl5mt 9 ай бұрын

I just knew that the prop version was going to be perfect 👌 Awesome built

@garlopa1336 9 ай бұрын

Hi Julius, great job, my congratulations, the pitch problem is because the EDF's thrust is parallel to the flight line, if you look at the real plane the exhaust engines point upwards, note that for example in the F -15 also points upwards, the incidence of the EDF is: if the EDF is below the wing the exhaust points downwards, if the EDF is parallel or above the wing the exhaust points upwards, it is like the incidence of the engines in pusher planes, regards!

@henvan8737 5 ай бұрын

What a great effort to keep working and achieve reasonably stable flight. Great model.

@rodinvillarosa2924 9 ай бұрын

Great model sir. Built my own Su57 foamie using RCPowers plan but modified to run on twin motor tail pusher, suggest you rebuild yours using twin motor with differential thrust for a strong yaw authority.

@Jay-zc7iq 9 ай бұрын

Nice work again Julius I’ll tune in to it later

@BuceGar 9 ай бұрын

Nice build! Simple and effective. I like it.

@JuliusPerdana 9 ай бұрын

Thanks! 👍

@acourtneylawson2065 9 ай бұрын

Love that u never give up..that would’ve drove me crazy …and nice build looks great with the landing gear..like the real thing.

@JuliusPerdana 9 ай бұрын

Thanks 👍

@hailudyami7468 9 ай бұрын

nice build! everytime i maiden a new diy design its the same thing, finding the cg while also figuring out the thrust angle, its a good puzzle

@JuliusPerdana 9 ай бұрын

Cool, thanks!

@RCPlaygroundNetwork 8 ай бұрын

Very nice build! And also trial and error is part of scratch builds. All the effort is worth it in the end. The learning experience is most valuable!

@itsprateek9207 9 күн бұрын

Well appreciated guys!❤ What an art !😮

@AdskiyDr04ila 8 ай бұрын

Это просто восхитительно ❤

@user-dl6yf6gh8u 6 ай бұрын

🤣 восхитительное россиянское аналоГовнетное дерьмо (☝️пятого🤣 поколения), которое по качеству и функциям не дотягивает даже до третьего поколения. Это дерьмище даже испытания не прошло.

@IoannJWazir 6 ай бұрын

Согласен

@user-tb6mz3dh1p 5 ай бұрын

Русский мем в тему!

@walk4718 9 ай бұрын

I’ve said it before, incredible tenacity. 👍👍👏👏

@JuliusPerdana 9 ай бұрын

Thanks again!

@BoraHorzaGobuchul 4 ай бұрын

Great video, interesting to watch the iterative design phases. Gotta be hard to wing it without thrust vectoring and flight control computer. Keep up the good work!

@KTMFR476 Ай бұрын

I'm building my own and it looks so good so far. This a really informative and enjoyable video. Keep up the amazing work

@JuliusPerdana Ай бұрын

Awesome! Thank you!

@edgarguinartlopez8341 8 ай бұрын

Just beautiful my friend... Thanks you!

@tonatid.f.1179 9 ай бұрын

I've be waiting for this video , with great spectation and desire

@JuliusPerdana 9 ай бұрын

Hope you enjoyed it!

@naeemulhoque1777 6 ай бұрын

Amazing Explanation. could you make a video specially on the engine/thruster that is used here please.

@Nameless69418 8 ай бұрын

The plane keeps diving down can mitigated with thrust vectoring. This can be done by adjusting the direction of the nozzle thrust. This is also the main reason why the real su57 is so manuvarable. If u can add more servos to change the thrust direction, the plane will be much more stable.

@yudanfishbo6949 8 ай бұрын

What a great work u done there, liked and subscribed!

@ilyaedemskiy8125 6 ай бұрын

Brilliant work!

@JuliusPerdana 6 ай бұрын

Many thanks!

@richardhobbs7107 9 ай бұрын

At least it makes a great Boat ! I like how you don't 'give up' easily. Keep working the issues for an acceptable model. Take care, rh

@2750nav 9 ай бұрын

Crazy dedication 🎉

@claytonpozzer 8 ай бұрын

Congratulations from Brazil!!

@tomthekhmerbreed9166 9 ай бұрын

What a nicest plane! You dud a very very good job!

@JuliusPerdana 9 ай бұрын

Thanks a lot!

@fdhlmr 3 ай бұрын

Mas Julius apa kabar? Saya lihat mas Julius semakin sukses dan besar. Saya dari Solo dan tahun 2012 silam pernah beli satu set alat papercraft dari website paper-replika. Kalau mas ingat saya juga beli mika bening satu gulung dengan panjang 1,5 meter yang pasti sangat ribet untuk dikirim. Melihat video mas Julius saya jadi ingin membuat papercraft lagi, tapi mungkin masih nanti karena tidak banyak waktu untuk hobi hehe. Sukses dan sehat selalu untuk mas Julius dan keluarga!

@HGFHY 9 ай бұрын

Cool. I made a project of a hotspot with a wingspan of 1.10m. my first motorization was a 64m edf with 12 pas and 2200 4s battery. I removed the turbine and put a 1700kv engine next to a 3530. It improved the flight by 60%. but it was low speed. I'm going to put a 3536 of 1200kv and a 7x4 apc propeller to see if it improves.

@gke3800 9 ай бұрын

I suggest you increase the pitch on the prop to 6.

@vadim-2068 8 ай бұрын

Awesome Work !

@rayamilitia3823 6 ай бұрын

Semoga dilirik om sama PT.DI buat kerja sama pengembangan pesawat jet tempur buatan dalam negeri, talenta seperti om ini yg dibutuhkan bangsa Indonesia agar tidak harus beli ke negara lain

@julianbautista9663 9 ай бұрын

This guy is living my dream

@Trg6989 6 ай бұрын

The moving part on the LERX is called lov cons, it serves as a aoa limiter.

@user-nw7sp8zp8k 7 ай бұрын

Мужики, я вам советую поспрашивать тех ребят, которые уже сделали модель такого самолёта, последний раз я видел, чтоб один русский конструктор, занимавшийся авиамоделированием, делал этот самолёт с применением 2 маленьких реактивных двигателей, он ещё трюки с самолётом выполнял, и он был в состоянии его поднять и посадить.

@ahmaddanieal9468 8 ай бұрын

~ One word for you Bro....".Brilliance " ~

@LunaDude43 7 ай бұрын

Отличная модель! Слишком большой угол, отклоняемых плоскостей, из за этого, его мотает в воздухе. Нужно ставить ОВТ что бы управление был стабильнее

@everythingrc5652 9 ай бұрын

really nice build the only bit which might confuse people is the foamboard is what flite test use which has paper on each side and depron is what you mostly use which doesn't have paper

@Jay-zc7iq 9 ай бұрын

Yes , I use foam. Board with the paper for his models , I find if I use the paper stuff rubbing it off prior to paint or decoration works out just as good I’ve made several of his now and might go to balsa on some of his builds as they do fly well

@everythingrc5652 9 ай бұрын

@@Jay-zc7iq yeah as I live in the UK most of the foam board isn't very good and hard to remove the paper so I can't really do it

@Jay-zc7iq 9 ай бұрын

@@everythingrc5652 a tip I use is to use a cloth or a very fine foam sanding block you can get most places wet it with a small bowl rub the paper and comes off nice leaving a very smooth and very good finish I use warm water too if I want to bend or shape stuff but works great

@everythingrc5652 9 ай бұрын

@@Jay-zc7iq alright thanks I've done it before but I'll try again. I use 5mm xps foam which is good but has lots of little holes in it which means tape won't stick to it so I can't do tight curves as I can't seem to find any better cheap stuff in the UK

@andrewwillard5625 8 ай бұрын

my man can put all of the massive rc plane brands out of business, of you could make this at a smaller scale and a pusher prop edf, all the amazon brands would want you.

@aerospacematt9147 6 ай бұрын

I think the droop flap is used to change the air going into the engine much like the moveable intake on the F-15.

@hello-haters 9 ай бұрын

yang di tunggu² akhirnya di up😁

@Arlecchino99 8 ай бұрын

Очень реалистичная моделька нашей сушки)

@gulsmvlogs4170 9 ай бұрын

Excellent Work!

@JuliusPerdana 9 ай бұрын

Thank you! Cheers!

@jasonranaweera3630 Ай бұрын

If u engineered it well, wouldn't have to play around that much to find troubles. Respect for all the efforts

@JuliusPerdana Ай бұрын

I wish I have more time, the issue was just the thrust angle

@ReyCarmesi666 9 ай бұрын

Hermano,tienes mucho talento, creas cosas con mucha imaginación. Saludos.

@samnaps1 9 ай бұрын

Again, you're the MacGyver of RC models. No joke.

@AuroraCypher 9 ай бұрын

What a beautiful plane, and nicely built.

@ivanzlatar2445 6 ай бұрын

GREAT VIDEO !!!

@JuliusPerdana 6 ай бұрын

Thanks for the visit

@Chan-minion 3 ай бұрын

That is quite Reliable, but I tell you something those wings in the front that drop down is so when it Pulls up it generates Vortex Lift.

@maszkalman3676 8 ай бұрын

With a dual ducted fan it woul be really good since you could use the different thrust to steer the plane but the props work well it seems but quite unwieldy and in case of a crash it will be destroyed.

@AdversaryOne 6 ай бұрын

Looks amazing. I'd love to see what original designs you could come up with.

@JuliusPerdana 6 ай бұрын

I like scale model planes, so RC too. But I made 5 of them on this channel, you can look it up all my original design : Bango, Bango 2, Walet, Alapalap and Berkik 3

@wayneschlegl3993 9 ай бұрын

Great Job, ihr macht aus nichts wahnsinns Flugmodelle! Respeckt vor dieser Leistung!

@JuliusPerdana 9 ай бұрын

Thank you very much

@kushagrasingh5880 3 ай бұрын

Love This Bro ❤❤

@SweepGT 14 күн бұрын

I wouldn’t be surprised if this was better than the actual thing

@robertchongthu9183 9 ай бұрын

I was eagerly waiting for this built and my deprons are waiting too. 😅

@Airid-eb6wz Ай бұрын

Awesome bro❤❤❤❤❤

@P4NTERA250 8 ай бұрын

For me the best war fighter and very beautiful 🎉

@fudinzet 9 ай бұрын

Akhirnya, terus semangat bang

@Killerplanes 9 ай бұрын

Super cool!!

@guerra130 8 ай бұрын

Excelente trabajo 👍

@wilman8160 9 ай бұрын

Finally...su57 dog fight with maverick.mantul bang jul.

@dimoichi5841 3 ай бұрын

You should give it a full thrust vectoring system to give you insane maneuvering and angle of attack like the real life aircraft

@lars9966 8 ай бұрын

to your question: those are not canards. more likely droop flaps as you said. it doesnt behave like a canard either, it more likely bites the airflow

@JuliusPerdana 8 ай бұрын

Thank you, and thanks for watching, appreciated

@uesr7855 9 ай бұрын

Very nice video, was very entertaining all throughout. I noticed you also copied the yellow parts of the plane from the pak fa t50 prototype, very nice details

@Rohanah-yw7ug 8 ай бұрын

Very nice bro man tap euy aslyna

@Tomcat_Thursday 9 ай бұрын

MASTERPIECE!

@maiconvinicius2352 9 ай бұрын

Olá julius, belo projeto! Faz um projeto do stearman PT 17 em uma escala de 2 metros

@georgek109e 8 ай бұрын

Very impressive!

@JuliusPerdana 8 ай бұрын

Thank you! Cheers!

@MajidulIslamMahin281 9 ай бұрын

Love from Bangladesh 🇧🇩💕💕💕

@hyattevangelion1508 4 ай бұрын

заглянем на минутку в историю создания су 57 начиная от су 27. проблема в том что его планер изначально нестабилен и очень сверхманевренный, для обеспечения стабилизации была создана программа для обеспечения нормальной управляемости за счёт управления плоскостями. без неё его будет мотать, так как он изначально был случайно, а затем специально создан таким. планер сам можно сделать, а вот чтобы он нормально летел это уже заморочки с управлением и программами

@RofiServis 9 ай бұрын

god job om

@iqbalhanifsyafii 4 ай бұрын

kerenn bangett sihh masss, mau nyoba bikin buat display aja

@adesatrio3724 7 ай бұрын

Gila keren banget om! Baik videonya maupun pesawatnya mantab👍

@JuliusPerdana 7 ай бұрын

makasih

@user-gy6tg5ok6r 3 ай бұрын

Wah ini luar biasa dgn SU- terkuat

@dyshweb1947 5 ай бұрын

Fantastic

@imacenaveen 9 ай бұрын

All's well when it ends well... That 3D printer Prop was cool hack

@dcolb121 9 ай бұрын

Cats make such good supervisors.

@taryqswylam6098 8 ай бұрын

Very nice build, well done bro. Which material did you use to print the propeller? Is it reliable and safe?

@JuliusPerdana 8 ай бұрын

I use PETG-CF, I only fly it 2 times so never know is it reliable or not.

@Zoey_the_Rat 9 ай бұрын

I've built a delta wing plane out of foamboard too, and its best flight was 650 meters.. It's just way too hard to fly at this scale, even INAV can barely control it

@pkfrworld1 8 ай бұрын

I loved!

@lindy6142 9 ай бұрын

Good video bro

@JuliusPerdana 9 ай бұрын

Appreciate it

@user-nd4nz2zd9q 9 ай бұрын

Im going to build this out of Correx/Corro-Plas what an awesome plane like all of your projects Julius! So what is the better out of the two pusher propeller or edf? I look forward to seeing many more and hope you do an OV10 Bronco a Rockwell B1B Lancer and maybe a B58 Hustler which seems to be all the rage with a new kit i believe around atm 😎🤘👌👍

@JuliusPerdana 9 ай бұрын

I will go 2 pusher for peace of mind

@guawej6473 7 ай бұрын

Good approximation for CG is on line of 33% wing area from the front.

@masibabatosim9463 9 ай бұрын

Amazing as usual. You deserve that laser cuttting machine.... Very nice model!!!!

@JuliusPerdana 9 ай бұрын

Thank you very much!

@1mikesofocused42 8 ай бұрын

nice recovery

@JuliusPerdana 8 ай бұрын

Thanks!

@ltwich 4 ай бұрын

The moving part is the LERX at the front of the engine intake

@Olivia0828 5 ай бұрын

I love it ❤🥰😍🫶 I really love it 🥹🤩

@josephe.9869 6 ай бұрын

Try putting the battery weight in the middle of the plane to level out the weight. The batteries are probably the cause of the nose/front to be heavy.