Ok after some technical issues with audio as well as some “debate” over what people were seeing here is the updated version of the video on the difference between the two systems from an RF standpoint on how they behave. I have redone the bulk of the analyser traces for both systems to shown them in a more realistic context. When the original video was done it was at VERY close range and at that point HDZero appears noisier than DJI. That is infact correct at 30cm readings but that’s not reflective of the real world ans now these traces are. It was never intended to be taken as such on that. People should understand that when your measuring like this you are seeing warts and all and there are somethings you will see that have no impact on realworld results. However again I have now set it up to be better in that regard. This video is not to say one system is better than others it’s simply to show actual behaviour and dispel some myths on both sides. I could make this video 3 hours long if I went into ever single aspect and what was Intially meant to be a quick show and tell has turned into a monster already. There are some basic things people also need to understand with any video like this. 1: Levels are not actual measured RF output as there is no reliable way of doing that at this time. 2: Scale is in db and is logarithmic and as such hight deference’s between the carriers shoud not be taken as any reflection of real RF output.
@eatyourvegfpv2 жыл бұрын
Thanks very much for taking the time to re-do this video, Ian. And for putting up with all the noise (pun intended 😜) around the first video. This was great and very informative. Massively appreciate the effort and hope this helps people understand the differences between how the two systems handle their RF and what people should do to enable as smooth an experience as possible when flying with each other using mixed systems.
@cobra48292 жыл бұрын
Great Job 👍 You are wrong at 24:35 , this noise is coming from DJI goggles not your WiFi 99% of the time I'm flying on R3 and I get strong interference from DJI go back to 23:37 and you can see the 4 spikes from goggles on R3 frequency and you can see this too at 26:40 R3 and R1 THIS is very annoying for analog
@xjet2 жыл бұрын
I demand a fourth version!
@gmivisualsjason37292 жыл бұрын
I will second that!!
@jasonjahnkeinla2 жыл бұрын
I'll 3rd that lol Hello from Canada 🇨🇦 P.S. I love all you guys. Thank you
@itsnotsam2 жыл бұрын
I so appreciate all of this testing! It's very interesting to see how this hardware performs.
@Desertmoto2 жыл бұрын
It’s clear you really care about your content. I watched the second edit and it was very informative! Love your channel and I’m subbing!
@motionsic2 жыл бұрын
Excellent presentation! Very helpful, thanks for the RF insight! Looks like HDZero wave form is cleaner vs previous videos.
@MadRC2 жыл бұрын
Yea I have redone the races at a little more distance. The original traces were basically on top of each other.
@PIDtoolbox2 жыл бұрын
Excellent results! Love your channel
@MadRC2 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@AaroniaDe2 жыл бұрын
Great review, as always!
@OpaFPV2 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much for doing this video a 3rd time. The DJI start-up anomalies are very interesting!
@quakityquak71442 жыл бұрын
Thanks for being detailed about this. I'm a beginner with the DJI FPV, enjoying it so far
@jen53662 жыл бұрын
Thank you for clearing this up!
@GregKelley2 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@DadsRCHangar2 жыл бұрын
It’s really cool to see the bench side of all this, helps you choose what you want. Great job 👍🏻
@PaosElectronicDreams2 жыл бұрын
Good job! my interest of HDZERO has gone to terrestrial vehicle applications. lol
@Migueldeservantes2 жыл бұрын
Awesome!! really like the detail info on how DJI...
@tbrcwings58982 жыл бұрын
Hope nothing has been changed since you posted this. I have several NIB airunits that have not been activated. I better get those activated tonight after work!!! This is only thing I despise about DJI is the constant "surprises" and tactics to lock out users or force changes on a system that you are happy with. Wish me luck. :)
@nitronut17232 жыл бұрын
This is solid gold. Thank you thank you for doing all the hard work.
@kronkite0612 жыл бұрын
Amazing work, thank you!
@RaffaelloKWOS2 жыл бұрын
Hi Mad, the carrier bandwidth depends on the type of modulation (i.e. what type of QAM is used) and the Mbit that is transferred. Those narrowband signals you see in the DJI FPV system are also acknoledges (not just telemetry). The DJI FPV system is based on an acknoledge sent by the receiver (there are some patents about it). Furthermore, there is a difference in the type of shape of the carrier, this indicates a different modulation. DJI's mosulation looks like a different QAM (256?) Than HDZero (16?), But I need to study HDZero better. Thank you for your video.
@llickmogan2 жыл бұрын
My V2 goggles will be here today can't wait
@DavidOwensuk2 жыл бұрын
Great video Ian, great to see the PSD plots of the systems. Thank you
@DavidOwensuk2 жыл бұрын
What was the resolution bandwidth used for scan?
2 жыл бұрын
Most excellent
@mcclarinscott Жыл бұрын
is there any plan to review DJI 03 transmitter spectrum w the new DJI goggle compated to HDZero spectrum? this was a wonderful comparison and discussion...
@MadRC Жыл бұрын
Yes.
@24kJames2 жыл бұрын
That initial burst over 1200mW on the DJI gear, even when it's set to 25mW, could be to ensure it pops up the home point on Aeroscope.
@MadRC2 жыл бұрын
The FPV has no gps though. It won’t have coordinates. It’s certainly odd though.
@24kJames2 жыл бұрын
@@MadRC Right, okay. And it is a passive system, getting the exact telemetry that the aircraft is transmitting. I still believe the burst of power could be used in such a way. Aeroscope is just one of many tracking systems in operation, not to mention the so called mitigation side of things.
@Chris-xe5ts2 жыл бұрын
Seeing the spectrum just gave me instant understanding why a higher bandwidth with the same power gives less range with something like an ODFM modulation. How is the bidirectional communication on the same frequency solved? with time slicing?
@Vousie2 жыл бұрын
In this video it looks like you always had the DJI system set to transmit on its public channel. I would've liked to see what it looks like when you have it set to a different channel & power up (I'm expecting we'd see it power up on public and then move to the one it's set to, but I'd love to see how long it stays on public before switching, and how cleanly it switches.
@dennismatovich84112 жыл бұрын
great stuff! lets make an antenna cover to block that signal on power up then remove it before flying. What material would work?
@ddegn2 жыл бұрын
I asked about the RF signals of the DJI FPV drone in the comments under one of the other videos. I didn't get a chance to read your entire reply before the video was set to private. (I read part of it in the notification drop down but then I tried to navigate to the video page and I lost access to the reply.) I don't suppose you have a way to cut and paste your earlier reply here? Thanks for these interesting videos.
@MadRC2 жыл бұрын
I did reply, I’ll post it here shortly for you.
@micsherwood49302 жыл бұрын
Brilliant!
@gmivisualsjason37292 жыл бұрын
Excellent.
@JustinHunnicutt2 жыл бұрын
It's a great video as always but it would have been so much nicer without having to constantly focus on what was wifi and what wasn't. It would have really made it easier to follow with the at least having the router powered off. I didn't realize wifi bounced on frequencies that far apart.
@MadRC2 жыл бұрын
That’s not actually the WiFi in this it’s a constant spread of local, short is being in a faraday cage turning it’s off totally is not possible.
@JustinHunnicutt2 жыл бұрын
@@MadRC I'm not sure if there's a mis type or I just don't understand, what is constant spread of local? Thanks one more time for these kinds of videos, they are the exact same thing I'd be checking out with a spectrum analyzer like that. And taking the time to check for things like high power boot ups under literally every possible configuration is just icing on the cake. Short of having a DJI tech explain why and how they do these things this is best info possible.
@Vousie2 жыл бұрын
@@MadRC You said in the video that it's just your own wifi router scanning across the band...
@shawnzfpv2 жыл бұрын
Interesting to see DJI look so Narrow onthe scope, but is the real world you can run adjacent to DJI with Analog. We hve been able to fly DJI and HDZero on adjacent channels and HDZero doent' seem to stomp analog in practice. It must just be the proximity to the DJI transmitter with DJI's two-way link swamping the analog RX.
@AndrewHyams2 жыл бұрын
really informative video, thanks for putting in the time and effort even with the multiple versions! would you be able to confirm whether dji air unit that's set to another channel reverts to dji public channel when rebooted, even with the goggles staying powered and connected?
@RCOverKill2 жыл бұрын
3rd time I've watched it, lol.
@MrMayex2 жыл бұрын
Please test the same when you get fatshark HD
@RC-Dorigas Жыл бұрын
Can we know the power output of the DJI googles? and, does anybody knows if it does change (increase) when the drone/air unit gets away from the googles ?
@m7mds912 жыл бұрын
👏🏻👏🏻
@ror-ys3qp Жыл бұрын
So since there is always a DJI sync signal on 580? ,If one is on DJI Ch1 and say DJI CH3 will they interfere with each other?
@Spottedlove2 жыл бұрын
Which spectrum analyzer are you using for this test?
@ihackyourtoaster30212 жыл бұрын
What do you say about a DJI FPV 3 possibly coming out?
@fabian91632 жыл бұрын
Does this mean, if you start the googles in public-channel with 50mbit due to the 'bug', other googles can connect to that channel with 50mbit?
@ibnfpv2 жыл бұрын
There is a "better" channel too choose when flying solo, with the DJI system that you recommend flying with? and it is better with our 5.8 antennas? and will better handle in case of interference like 5G cellular antennas wifi etc...?
@MadRC2 жыл бұрын
Not really with DJI. What’s got the least chance of WiFi on really more than anything.
@FPVian2 жыл бұрын
@Mad's Tech Do the caddx vistas require the naco_txt file to enable the 1200mw hack as well? Or is it just the goggles and air unit?
@MadRC2 жыл бұрын
FCC 700mw is on the Vista and Airunit. 1200mw is on goggle only.
@FPVian2 жыл бұрын
@@MadRC just found your video on this topic that explains it really well. Thank you for being such a reliable source of information. I'm in the states, hence my confusion about the number of steps required.
@Spottedlove2 жыл бұрын
At time point 23:47 the goggles look to be transmitting and there seems to be an image at a much reduced power on the left. You never really mentioned anything about it
@volkergoe2 жыл бұрын
That startup behavior is what really shoots analog buddies out of the air - @Mad's Tech have you reached out to DJI about this already? Maybe we should make them aware that (strictly speaking) this actually makes the AirUnits/Vistas illegal to operate (at least in the EU).
@volkergoe2 жыл бұрын
Ohh - and by the way: Thank you so much for all the work you put in to provide us with such valuable information!
@ZaksterBlue2 жыл бұрын
Is the timing pulse from the DJI goggles always on the same frequency regardless of channel selected? If so, I can warn others to stay clear of this frequency. If it shifts relative to the channel, what is the displacement?
@MadRC2 жыл бұрын
No it stays in the same place even when you move into the top of it what I have see.
@Vousie2 жыл бұрын
If it's your own wifi router that's causing the random spikes, why on EARTH did you not turn it off? It's extremely annoying, and makes it much harder to see what's going on. Just turn it off, record the video, and turn it back on. Surely you can live without wifi for an hour or so? 🙄
@MadRC2 жыл бұрын
It’s a number of WiFi routers including others in other property near me and wireless CCTV systems. It causes no real affect on the video or the tests ffs.
@Vousie2 жыл бұрын
@@MadRC Then it's other people's wifi not your own wifi, which is what you implied with "my local wifi". And it certainly has a very real effect one the video: We're looking for interference such as random spikes created by either fpv system. So constantly seeing random spikes turn up and just being told "yeah, just trust me it doesn't matter" is a bit problematic. Sometimes it's difficult to get a test in a clean area. So note that you did the best you could and leave it there. Don't pretend like it has no effect on the video. Also, no need to get upset 🙄 Everyone needs to know how to handle constructive criticism. Deleting and re-making a video every time anyone gives you any is not a good way to handle it.
@JAKOB19772 жыл бұрын
cant read jack of the values...maybe change your scaling if you want the viewers to have a chance to actually analyze the information. its so extremely tiny all the axes and the values...
@MadRC2 жыл бұрын
The axis values here are not important. The scale has been chosen to show the carrier difference best Brit they bare no importance to the data here. The frequency is channel 8 on both again not relevant to what’s being shown.
@JAKOB19772 жыл бұрын
@@MadRC anybody with any insight into these programs would like to know the values that are present on the screen and to sense the dBm jumps and simply get an overview of the margins / values being displayed. it is such a little thing to change your scaling so your viewers can read the values that the program says and make an overview themself. DJI's digital protocol ain't noisy, its actually a quite clean digital protocol, with a way more square digital floor then HDzero's protocol, that almost looks like a mixmatch I don't have any air units, I can test and also been analyzing the RF power values on my VTXs and TXs..and even on analog, it's also extremely clear if you put it on an RF power meter with adequate refresh rate, so you can sense spikes.. you will see a significant spike at startup.. as far as I can tell quite normal, at least on the analog VTXs i have tested with RF power meter on my laptop. IF your spectrum explorer /analyzer is somewhat accurate then plug it in directly and check the wattage on the DJI and HDZero..(though use attenuators if its overdo your device-dBm rating) but you sadly not sure how your connected and if you just winding it, or your have a direct SMA line to the VTXs and remove all the variable that can play a factor.. antenna. distance, connections, noise, angle etc etc.. as there is a massive difference between HDzero's 25mW peakfloor, and the DJIs 25mW floor.. and if they are directly connected then you can obviously conclude they are not both 25mW.. the HDZero so-called stabile 25mW floor is way way higher 9:40 then DJIs so-called 25mW floor 10:20.. so if you made an arrangement where its apples to apples.. it goes without saying they are NOT AT EQUAL 25mW values..(its like more then 2´two full segment number jumps on your left dBm axis)
@Vousie2 жыл бұрын
@@MadRC The horizontal axis values at any rate are 100% important. It would be nice to actually be able to *read* what frequencies the various spikes are on, rather than having to wait and hope you read it out for us at some point. Also, this thing of repeatedly taking the video down and reuploading a new version is rubbish. If one segment's graphs are being misinterpreted, just upload a new video with a redo of that segment, and put a pinned comment in the original video linking to it 🙄 No-one likes having information just randomly disappear.