YOU'RE SHORT HOPPING INCORRECTLY!

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In SSBU Super Smash Bros Ultimate, most people jump incorrectly, particularly out of shield, and especially with nair out of shield.
Imagine this on characters like Min Min, Cloud, Yoshi, Link... If you have a busted landing nair, or crazy nair hitbox, this becomes game changing easily.
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@DKbill Жыл бұрын

Just btw, if it looks like I'm delaying her Nair a lot, I am not, I am doing it basically instantly, Pyra's Nair just comes out slow lol.

@menslingerie5502 Жыл бұрын

Just as an aside you can also get full momentum by pressing the direction within a certain time (I think 1 frame) after your jump to get full momentum as well. Important for getting the nair out earlier and getting full drift. Lots of applications where this matters for autocancels, rising aerials, sour/sweet spots and out of shield options.

@DKbill Жыл бұрын

@@menslingerie5502 thank you boss! I didnt know the specifics

@menslingerie5502 Жыл бұрын

@@DKbill it's especially relevant as it enables you to use buffered Nairs with full momentum but it's also good to know in case you want to undershoot so that you know to wait a couple frames to go less distance. Very relevant for moves like sephiroth bair.

@gestanosamuel466 Жыл бұрын

If you hold 2 shield button at the same time, you can jump forward OSS easily wothout release your shield, if only use 1 shield button it accidentally roll forward

@blob1406 Жыл бұрын

You are. It comes out slower when you showed yourself jumping right.

@fluffydemon1 Жыл бұрын

What good advice. Can't wait to forget it immediately the moment I start playing another Smash Bros match

@DKbill Жыл бұрын

lmao nooo

@malikmuhammad9085 Жыл бұрын

Ditto

@Vic_714 Жыл бұрын

It'll come naturally. I learned that even when I try to form a move I slowly start to catch on to the inputs however, you must also train your hands to react on time. When you find yourself digging into combo you'll do it more and more just takes practice and a little muscle memory. Goodluck

@Gwenpool256 10 ай бұрын

Stop the relatability is killing me

@pennysantana247 10 ай бұрын

Or for the opponenent to airdodge/parry every singe attack and make this tip useless anyway

@doomstothfilms Жыл бұрын

"Bro can we just play something else you're ruining my birthday"

@figure55animations49 7 ай бұрын

Lmao

@tired108 7 ай бұрын

bro every time 💀

@newmail7624 2 ай бұрын

AjHHhHHJajajajJJajj

@bensonbone 2 ай бұрын

Lmao

@Im2lazy4thisCrit 24 күн бұрын

@Martianig Жыл бұрын

90% of smash ultimate players also don’t shower

@DKbill Жыл бұрын

bruh lmao 💀 😂

@kingmagnus4009 Жыл бұрын

No, that’s *Melee* you’re talking about

@pinnacull Жыл бұрын

@@kingmagnus4009 nah it's all fighting game players

@no-bc4jl Жыл бұрын

The bathroom's just really high up

@k12moyo Жыл бұрын

*angry upvote*

@RacingSnails64 Жыл бұрын

Me, a Ganondorf main: Air movement?

@thetakerofknees9737 9 ай бұрын

Me, a Mac main: Whats that ?

@TotshotAirsoft 9 ай бұрын

Me, a Luigi main: Yo no habla?

@theperfecttroller 9 ай бұрын

luigi mains:

@memenazi7078 9 ай бұрын

Ganon’s air speed is fast enough, you can fair reach a roll away with fair after side b and they always fall for it.

@byfabri4577 7 ай бұрын

Me, a Snake main:

@yuanwang9324 Жыл бұрын

I love how Smash looks simple, but has so many nuances that makes the difference between winning and losing.

@DKbill Жыл бұрын

big agree

@SadToffee Жыл бұрын

If by nuance you mean a thousand terribly implemented mechanics that you can subvert with counter-intuitive movement and basically break the game then yeah I agree!

@illford Жыл бұрын

@SadToffee aint even like the inputs come out correctly all the time 💀

@ChadwickDickinson Жыл бұрын

@@SadToffeebiggest John stance in history.

@SadToffee Жыл бұрын

@@ChadwickDickinson 🧢

@staticchimera44 Жыл бұрын

Jigglypuff mains: "What's the difference?"

@andrew6341 Жыл бұрын

All 3 puff mains besides HBox subs

@citrus5797 Жыл бұрын

Hey that's me :0

@mute_cebu_ Жыл бұрын

@@citrus5797 Also me.

@Swaggingdaily 11 ай бұрын

No fucking way I found the other 2

@snipe_hunterz7617 10 ай бұрын

@@Swaggingdailywait. I am also a jigglypuff main. Does that mean…? *checks channels I am subbed to* Oh yeah, I am subbed to HBox. Huh

@ProperName24 Жыл бұрын

When you play Luigi so you don’t get anywhere in the air anyways 🤣 this is super helpful though definitely keeping this in mind

@DKbill Жыл бұрын

lool this kinda true

@prestige8477 Жыл бұрын

@@DKbill Kinda true? Luigi has zero Airspeed.

@TotshotAirsoft Жыл бұрын

🤝

@WeaponExX Жыл бұрын

Idk whos idea it was for that? Where is the momentum?

@myorangesarenice1122 Жыл бұрын

True

@homedepotindustrialfan936 Жыл бұрын

90% of Pyra’s bodyweight is in her chest.

@lights5651 11 ай бұрын

Poppi could lift Gonzales if necessary

@dogyX3 8 ай бұрын

I still can't believe she got into Smash without getting more censored

@Calamity5 5 ай бұрын

@@dogyX3 Unbelievably she still has jiggle physics

@This-is-a-commentt 4 ай бұрын

*BONK*

@homedepotindustrialfan936 4 ай бұрын

@@This-is-a-commenttThank you king, I strayed from the path

@Phoenix-tm4zz Жыл бұрын

“90% of ssbu players jump incorrectly” Me who thought you jumped by using your legs to thrust yourself into the air:

@lemming2570 Жыл бұрын

Fun fact: if you have two jump buttons and press them at the same time, it’ll always be a short hop.

@dr.funnybones Жыл бұрын

wait what the hell that's so helpful it's difficult to short hop for me, i'm gonna use the hell out of this tip

@LordLocrianofJudah Жыл бұрын

@@dr.funnybonesI like using LZ for my second jump button 🔥

@estebandavid4853 7 ай бұрын

What

@blazingfire7517 7 ай бұрын

Yeah I remapped R to my jump so R and x together gets me an easy short hop

@TheLogBerry Ай бұрын

I basically only short hop that way, so much easier

@burgerami_ 4 ай бұрын

Bro sounds like he's recording in a bathtub

@DKbill 4 ай бұрын

Are you looking into my window rn😳

@zapadap1328 3 ай бұрын

Can't be. Smash players don't own bathtubs

@remiwi2399 Жыл бұрын

Gamer discovers that holding stick to left makes character move left faster than not

@Gins. Жыл бұрын

If this is all you took away from the video, then you missed the point

@UhhhhHi2 Жыл бұрын

The point isn’t that holding a direction makes you move faster in the air, it’s that you instantly accelerate to your max air speed when you’re already holding in a direction before you jump

@itslarose Жыл бұрын

Like in every game 😂

@DanBlabbers Жыл бұрын

I main ganondorf and you basically have to dash into jump then aerial input very fast or he’s slow as hell. Regardless I always flick the stick before a jump. I don’t know ANYONE who jumps without holding a direction 😂

@rainbowresorts Жыл бұрын

tell me youve never played ultimate without telling me

@gestanosamuel466 Жыл бұрын

If you hold 2 shield button at the same time, you can jump forward easily without release shield first

@DKbill Жыл бұрын

that's really smart actually! thanks for sharing

@greendayblinkfan182 Жыл бұрын

@@DKbill I don't get what he means. Can you elaborate for me?

@DKbill Жыл бұрын

@@greendayblinkfan182 u wont accidentally roll out of shield if u hold 2 shield buttons :)

@LyfSukz Жыл бұрын

@@DKbillholding b also disables roll out of shield

@redmonika9187 Жыл бұрын

It can be inconsistent tho. I find inputing side to move forward a bit then doing a directional input jump helps. Since you'll basically always have the momentum

@DKbill Жыл бұрын

nah, just practice, it's not frame perfect but what i do is drop shield then immediately hit forward and jump. I wont move forward since im in shield drop lag at first, but you can jump out of the shield drop lag in ultimate, so Im only like a frame or 2 longer than jumping OOS imemdiately; so worth it for the added distance when u need it

@venuswine9905 2 ай бұрын

I do wonder why you’d have to nair out of shield with an enemy a quarter of the stage away from you though

@izzygarnelo Жыл бұрын

Okay so many people input jump and nair at the same time and then move because the buffering system always counts it as a short hop, aka, it's the easy way. Also, if it's done this way and instead you hold forward or backwards, you'll still get a short hop aerial but a fair or bair instead. The inputs have to be pressed super quickly to do what's said here which many players find it very difficult including myself. You have to short hop in the direction first, almost immediately let go of analog stick direction, input the nair, and press in the direction of drifting again for maximum drift before landing. It takes a lot of practice to get this right consistently.

@RandomDude647 8 ай бұрын

This is why I miss cstick nairs from smash 4; it made it way easier to do this

@thememeilator2633 4 ай бұрын

@@RandomDude647 c stick nairs still exist in ultimate. I do them by accident all the time when practicing

@cyrrus_lite2796 Жыл бұрын

Really it’s situational, the sh nair out of shield is pretty much a get off me tool, or to catch them jumping. Really informative video tho! 🔥

@ezraromero3485 2 ай бұрын

The problem with this is if you’re the jiggler you can do this and Nasir them from cross stage

@zapp485 9 ай бұрын

problem is this approach takes more frames than a fast out of shield

@DKbill 9 ай бұрын

Yes this wouldn’t be for a speed thing

@megamix5403 Жыл бұрын

Thank you, Pyra main.

@fidel_soto Жыл бұрын

I think this is the one most fundamental technique that I was missing while short hopping. So for that, have my heartfelt thanks sir ✋♥️

@zoomspilo6798 Жыл бұрын

This is actually crazy, I can think of a ton of situations where my nair out of shield whiffs when it would hit if I did this. Gonna drill this into my muscle memory ASAP

@DKbill Жыл бұрын

Goat

@ItalianAvalanche Жыл бұрын

I didn't even know about auto short hop 😅 I learned on Melee and this new-school stuff is a mystery to me lol.

@xxXKillTheRedsXxx Жыл бұрын

We’ll worry not bc it’s garbaggio

@5AIT0ART Жыл бұрын

yes full momentum Arials are really good, but really inconsistent to input (bc there needs to be a gab between the jump and attack input and the arial comes out on frame 4 )

@DKbill Жыл бұрын

nooo, the key to consistency is inputting the direction during shield drop lag (which u want to cancel ASAP) or during ending of other moves which u want to aerial after (for example landing aerial to full momentum aerial which I do a lot as yoshi)

@DBSMoonMaster Жыл бұрын

This is CRUCIAL for characters with no fast out of shield option. Great video!

@JeremiahGosdin Жыл бұрын

You can also use two jump inputs at once to short hop while holding a direction for people who can't let go of the input fast enough reliably.

@acemontana3559 11 ай бұрын

Isnt that the auto short hop thing he's talking about?

@cowardenemy9495 11 ай бұрын

@@acemontana3559noup, the auto short hop is when you press jump and attack at the same time.

@acemontana3559 11 ай бұрын

@@cowardenemy9495 thank you for the explanation. Using Sephiroth I don't see a difference in the auto short hop's attack and a regular short hop attack fr. I'll look again now that I know what im looking for but it didnt seem like I couldnt reach a distance.

@Lufisyth 20 сағат бұрын

I only found out a month ago that while sprinting you can bubble faster if you stop pressing forward.

@DKbill Сағат бұрын

Love how you say bubble that’s adorable

@celeste2762 Жыл бұрын

I've been probably doing this mistake this whole time. Thanks for pointing it out

@jafl_ics8905 Жыл бұрын

had to teach this to myself when i tried learning void tech

@DKbill Жыл бұрын

Yeah

@jafl_ics8905 Жыл бұрын

if you want you can see the combo where i used it here kzfaq.info/get/bejne/itODm9uFsp7DY30.html

@jafl_ics8905 Жыл бұрын

it doesnt look like i used it there but i did i just reacted to the di quickly

@DKbill Жыл бұрын

@@jafl_ics8905 that is sick! thank you for sharing

@thegprince93 3 ай бұрын

I'm not even fast enough to do a short hop

@Zhone14 Жыл бұрын

As a sheik player this is great advice in a local match, but unbelievably inconsistent online, even wired in sometimes. I'd rather understand the downfalls of nair oos macro then get wrecked for full hopping or throwing the wrong air completely IMO.

@DKbill Жыл бұрын

true lol

@Zhone14 Ай бұрын

Facts, till this day me and manual short hop have beef online.

@siriuslywastaken Жыл бұрын

ay lmao I already knew this the way ultimate's short hop aerials work infuriates me so I got super good at full speed short hops about it

@dragenn Жыл бұрын

Yo! Great Call out!

@DKbill Жыл бұрын

thank you!

@CrazyMusicBoy44 Ай бұрын

Me, who's nair always just turns into a full hop because i inputted it wrong

@Rasminger 22 күн бұрын

bro just delayed his nair and called it a new tech...

@yureiotakughost9464 4 ай бұрын

When I was a marth main I would do something like this into down air for the sexy meteor effect and kill potential

@DerrendisNuggets Ай бұрын

I already jump this way

@kamthescholar Жыл бұрын

i didnt need this but i appreciate you making content like this for others

@ZiyaB3ast Жыл бұрын

Nice playing smash 4 helped me in a way I didn't think about lol. I don't think that game had instant short hops. But I'll be consciously doing this from now on

@eebenitez373 Жыл бұрын

No wonder I have been unable to jump this whole time

@ssnofi Жыл бұрын

for ness its a little bit funnier. we have 2 types of short hops, normal short hop into air attack. then we have frame perfect double jump into down-direction psi magnet for extra mobility. (yayyy)

@joelquintanilla917 10 ай бұрын

This is gonna make my sora plays even better thanks

@picklesunavailable1440 10 ай бұрын

Me, who plays K Rool: "over here, we just ball"

@aprinceofearthsea4875 Ай бұрын

I can't stand nair, lmao. It feels like my stick can't even return in time for me to press the attack button.

@menacingpotatoleaf 3 ай бұрын

Instructions unclear, Goku parried then killed me.

@sdtrawick Жыл бұрын

I try to short hop, but I'm so inconsistent at it, without the auto short hop attack combo of X+A. I really wish that we could map short hop to the Y button and full hop to the X button.

@metareaper8008 6 ай бұрын

If you press two jump buttons at the same time you'll always shorthop Sorry for being late

@keyd_tv Жыл бұрын

This guy explaining smash mechanics from melee

@foldedpapermoon5640 Жыл бұрын

Finally someone explained it!! All I hear from pros is that auto-short hop is bad but they never explain why Crazy how this short video explained more than them lmao, thank you!!

@elliemoffett3598 Жыл бұрын

Auto short hop has it's uses. There are some combos where it chains pretty well like Hero's dthrow -> sh fair. It's also a really easy button to hit for bringing out a defensive nair or other aerial option as fast as possible. The main problems with it are that you can't hold a direction until you trigger the move, as demonstrated in this vid, and you relinquish control the timing of your aerial attack. Many more advanced combos require you to short hop manually so you can bring out the attack a little later to hit the proper spacing, something that is very important for all crazy Luigi combos. It's also worth noting that being able to mix up the timing on your sh aerials, and better spacing for sh nair is very valuable in neutral as well so that makes relying on auto short hop considered a bad habit.

@LonelyMatt Жыл бұрын

helps extend combos too ngl, unexplored with cloud specifically imo

@Mr.Foxhat Жыл бұрын

I have always used tap jump, and this is making me decide to implement the jump buttons into my play style.

@user-fm2zh2pl1m 11 ай бұрын

A similar explanation for B-reverse with or without changing opposite momentum!

@broski7792 Жыл бұрын

I've always heard people say not to use the auto short hop input, but i never knew why. This makes a lot of sense

@DKbill Жыл бұрын

there it is broski!

@stealthchopper54 Жыл бұрын

What is the auto short hop input? Im not sure if im using it or not

@DKbill Жыл бұрын

@@stealthchopper54 im talking about attack + jump to do short hop aerials

@thedude4063 11 ай бұрын

Steves jab has a special animation for this

@StellarisVT Жыл бұрын

Holy shit a smash video actually being helpful for the first time in history

@kevinrosario8363 Жыл бұрын

I thought this was gonna be like, fast press the jump button to short hop lol, but this was actually useful info

@ortallicafirst3866 Жыл бұрын

I honestly had no idea about this. I just know I'm probably gonna fall right back into that habit when I start playing lol. It's gonna be a tough one to break

@kinovsthewrld Жыл бұрын

I just wish I could get my Roy short hop nair muscle memory back. That 1st hit is so good for combo starters

@Oretal Жыл бұрын

Thank you for this yo, actually helps out a lot!

@SeanMania213 3 ай бұрын

I’m an aegis player and I feel like the demonstration woudve made more sense with mythras fast animations lol

@OranguBANG Жыл бұрын

Me with a box controller that has a lever to jump with 😮

@Pyromanian 7 ай бұрын

This tech is actually amplified with GimR’s new tech! If you double shield and hold forward, jump, and go to neutral and press A at the same time, you get a full speed nair out of shield.

@hadesflames6288 Ай бұрын

"Jump good"

@zjmullan 9 ай бұрын

Don't even play ultimate but this advice probably applies to melee too

@SkitLegoIdeaTheory Ай бұрын

JUMP IS JUMP

@JAMllostthegame Жыл бұрын

I never really liked the shorthop aerial shortcut for this reason specifically.

@AverageDoctor345 Жыл бұрын

There's also instant momentum nair which lets you do a drift forward or backward nair without needing to run first. Also works out of shield.

@KalamShellaby Жыл бұрын

As a Cloud main, I can say, this is useful!

@Ms.Frost22 8 ай бұрын

I'm a joker main so, I know about the jump, hold left or right then jump, more effective since you perform his kick better

@felixisgone8277 Жыл бұрын

Him: explaining jumping Me with pyra/mythra trauma:

@lulin2546 Жыл бұрын

what psychopath hits y and a that’s like holding left and right on a dpad simultaneously it just doesn’t work

@hexhiaa Жыл бұрын

u actually just properly explained to me some stuff i was doing back in the day but stopped cause at the time i was maining mac and it wasn’t really useful, might pick it back up since i started playing cloud tho

@aa-tx7th 7 ай бұрын

me a cloud main, "lmao as if i cant just hit you from halfway across the stage with my massive compensator while double jumping backwards"

@dagoodboy6424 Жыл бұрын

I was doin it right the whole time and never knew it.😊

@thisisquitter 3 ай бұрын

distance vs speed. fair mechanic ngl

@lgjgamer1396 Жыл бұрын

Now teach me how to use forward to instant back air

@LinenMinun 10 ай бұрын

Holy crap this vid popped up randomly thanks again dk bill

@Cooler-John Жыл бұрын

That waist some frames that can be vary valuable in some situations.

@prestonsasaki Жыл бұрын

I almost never use the short hop macro anymore. Mapping a shoulder button to jump really helped

@DKbill Жыл бұрын

but then short hopping is hard

@jaxsonsmith9457 Жыл бұрын

A good workaround for that is trying to do it with two shoulder buttons if you can do so comfortably. Forever thankful pressing two jump buttons simultaneously performs a short hop

@HaBeFaStro 10 ай бұрын

This is very helpful. Thank you very much.

@Jo_Phonda Жыл бұрын

To me it seems like a commitment issue. A lot of players will just jump without knowing if they're going to move in a direction or not.

@zyul6420 Жыл бұрын

This is better situationally. Depending on the frame data, you don't want to delay it unless you understand your opponent is trying to space properly but if you do this you are negative.

@nkirmath8621 Жыл бұрын

The lessons people learn with tap jump and button jump

@numsei2610 Жыл бұрын

got used to short hopping like that quick, it was necessary to be a Roy main

@Ducksen Жыл бұрын

quality advice on youtube shorts? who woulda thunk

@DKbill Жыл бұрын

your youtube is legit!!

@cfishroll 10 ай бұрын

This will help me greatly

@adamcorkhum3345 Жыл бұрын

should have mentioned that in order to do this you need to go through the 11 frame shield drop animation + 1 frame minimum to start dash input

@DKbill Жыл бұрын

so, you can jump out of shield drop. so let's say u drop shield and on frame 1 u hold forward and jump. basically just takes 1 frame longer than most out of shield options, obviously i admit it's hard to do that frame perfectly. u dont actually need to start a dash u just need to be holding forward when u input jump

@Bulbmin_Gaming 29 күн бұрын

Breaking news!: Pyra has beef with banjo!

@Chris-dy1cb Жыл бұрын

It is wild to me that they make nairing so technical compared to fair and bair

@lazerman3686 7 ай бұрын

i feel like people should realize this when ppl say to do a "fast fall nair". you cant fast fall until ur at the top so its wild to think u nair and fast fall after and have your hit box not come down at all.

@kingboop1060 Жыл бұрын

This is actually quite helpful, thx

@EmissaryOfSmeagol 2 ай бұрын

It took me like 700 hours of playing the game to incorporate short hops and spot dodges in the first place

@metalmagerin3 Жыл бұрын

Me, who now misinputted forward air: 👁️👄👁️

@anothersoul1881 6 ай бұрын

Stick jump supremacy

@bruhinthewild 8 ай бұрын

I always jump with the direction input.

@DKbill 8 ай бұрын

like tap jump? i dont recommend

@nordinreecendo512 Жыл бұрын

Me, a Hero main: "Hmm, I see..."

@charleswestenberg4472 Жыл бұрын

Situational at best. Jumping straight out of sheild is quicker than dropping sheild, dash inputing then jumping. Out of shield options are huge in this game, and if your quick option doesn't work then consider yourself at a frame disadvantage

@thexmahdi47xpnw70 9 ай бұрын

All these tips and I still go in matches button mashing😂 I’m not as good as I was 10 years ago

@mercury2c 10 ай бұрын

Thanks for this info

@Toonwoons Жыл бұрын

I can't short hop without the macro, shit's so hard

@DKbill Жыл бұрын

Just practice. You got this

@LyfSukz Жыл бұрын

You can auto short hop by pressing two jump buttons simultaneously

@estebandavid4853 7 ай бұрын

To me it helps to be running then leave the stick in neutral and then use the macro to cover space, it is better to use the actual short hop, but then again, it is kinda hard.