DLSS in VR & 2D | Dialling in for Performance | SU10 Microsoft Flight Simulator

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DLSS, Hype or Highlight? Join me whilst we test out the newly implemented DLSS feature in MSFS (SU10) in both the VR Headset and on our Monitor. I share my results and settings.
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@SimHangerFS Жыл бұрын

Typical, optimised driver just released as I released this video 😂 The principle and test method remain unchanged however, just the performance levels will be different!

@Chris-il9mf Жыл бұрын

I know, I just downloaded ver 516.94 and I saw another youtuber state 517.xx is out literally minutes ago. If you do a recap on this video, can you show what nvidia 3d settings for VR and monitor setups you have?

@sirgriffinman Жыл бұрын

What performance monitor tool were you using? Is that built into MSFS?

@SimHangerFS Жыл бұрын

@@sirgriffinman yes, built in, activate via the development tab.

@jagwal1 Жыл бұрын

That must be a typo you put in the video overlay regarding the rendering resolution ? Its either 3840x2160 OR 2560x1440...... 3840x1440 would be a weird aspect ratio, very wide screen ;-) not 4 K

@SimHangerFS Жыл бұрын

@@jagwal1 sorry my error it’s 2160

@VRFlightSimGuy Жыл бұрын

Excellent information there Mark. I particularly found your comparison both in 2D and VR extremely useful, as well as your detailed explanation. You certainly know your stuff. Thank you kindly for the shout out! Take care.

@worldsgonemad6280 Жыл бұрын

I would like to say thank you very much for sharing, your settings for VR where spot on for me using the Reverb G2 w/rtx3080 just flew into Hurricane IAN and I can honestly say it was a blast, visually . Thank you again.

@glennmullis1477 Жыл бұрын

Mark, thank you so much for this information. Truly appreciated sir. 🙂

@Bluth53 Жыл бұрын

As always, thank you Mark ❣️

@davidhorobin1060 Жыл бұрын

Superb Thank you

@sascenturion Жыл бұрын

Typical! Yes Mark 😀 Thanks for the heads up though! 👍

@beescan22 Жыл бұрын

Thanks Mark, very good information, thanks for your time and effort in producing this video. Question if I may: I’m running RTX 3070 with a 49” curved monitor, 3840x 1080p I believe. Not sure what upscaling to use, have tried several options but all seem to give me strange aspect ratios. Seems like 3840x 2160 is my only option with DLSS. Is that correct? Thanks so much for your insightful videos.

@27GX76R Жыл бұрын

2080ti here, was around 55fps in 4k on high-ultra settings. (I have a ton of tweaks that got me to 55fps, they're around here on KZfaq). DLSS took it to solid 60+fps. Disabled fast vsync in the nv control panel and put it back to let 3d app decide. Overall, I finally have the 4k experience it was meant to be. I have it running on a 65" monitor and it definitely looks great. Can't wait to try the new driver and see more tweaks

@TheAbdsAviation Жыл бұрын

Nice, what was your dlss set to?

@27GX76R Жыл бұрын

@@TheAbdsAviation quality

@TheAbdsAviation Жыл бұрын

@@27GX76R Oh very nice, I have a 3060ti, with a 4k monitor, already updated to the latest game driver, will do some tests soon. I usually fly the Fenix A320 and FBW so wonder what performance will be like with them.

@sunoiler Жыл бұрын

In DX12 it is amazing- But in DX11 i have a Lot of stotter - with a G2 and a 3090 with the New NVidia Driver. The smoothest Performance I get when i Limit the fps in the Nvidia Driver to 30 fps - much better than 40-45!

@SimHangerFS Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the feedback, I'll test it out.

@rakon8496 Жыл бұрын

Really got allergic to the texture poping in the medium distance on LOD's < 250 (on DX12, didn't use DX11 for months) - Really hoping for DLSS3 doubling the fps... Sounds too good! Thank you for the comparison.

@Morst434 Жыл бұрын

I dont see Any changes in Fps. Dlss vs taa. Have a 3080ti - i9-12900kf. 1440p. More fluid and feber stutters in dlss.

@imacmill Жыл бұрын

I wonder if Asobo could do what Valve have done with FSR on the Steam Deck,l which is to apply DLSS to a frame BEFORE post-processing, then rendering full-rez cockpit controls on top of that. Would solve the blurry cockpit issues caused by DLSS.

@SimHangerFS Жыл бұрын

Yes, DLSS 3.0 is based on exactly that concept.

@valrond Жыл бұрын

@@SimHangerFS AFAIK, DLSS 3.0 is making fake frames aproximating the two frames after and before, and introducing lag in the process.

@BuckleZ Жыл бұрын

I gained a good 10-15fps but i find in some a/c it makes instruments a lot less crisp

@Buddy308 Жыл бұрын

I pop out the G1000 panels and move them to touchscreen monitors for use in Air Manager. For the first time in two years and in my first experience in SU 10, I suffered a 50% reduction in FPS when popping the panels out. But the reason for this post is to share the finding that, while DLSS certainly does blur those displays on the main monitor, the PFD and MFD in Air Manager are totally unaffected. They remain perfect. I look forward to hearing if that's also the case with the Popout Manager app that's being developed by a fellow user and has its own thread on these MFS forums. As an aside, I found that if I created a new Render Window in the Graphics/Experimental pane, I was hit with the same terrible FPS reduction I saw with popping out the G1000 displays. But even worse, after the 50% reduction with the first new Render Window, I suffered a further reduction to about 1/3 the original FPS when creating a second Render Window. I think this will make it impossible to use a multimonitor setup. I hope the new driver released today will remedy this, but I doubt that this is an issue it's meant to address.

@SimHangerFS Жыл бұрын

Thanks, interesting feedback…and a bit of a worry!

@rogerferraro6661 Жыл бұрын

I just tried popping out the GTN 750 onto my iPad using Popout Manager and the new nVidia driver and once again had my fps cut in half. I was also hoping that SU10 and the new driver would fix this but alas it isn't so. I find it still worth the fps cost when bush flying in new areas though. Let's hope for the next update to address it.

@BALLOOROOM Жыл бұрын

The big fps drop when popping out panels is a well known issue on the FS2020 forums. Disappointed it hasn't been fixed for SU10 but even more surprised to read you didn't have an issue before SU10.

@Buddy308 Жыл бұрын

@@BALLOOROOM I suspect that I HAVE had the problem all along, but it's been masked by my settings. I'm a disciple of KZfaqr, Pilot Pete, and Forum member, Grabber523, who advise getting perfectly smooth performance by adjusting settings to get an FPS of 30. Pete does this elegantly by not touching frame-rate settings in NCP but limiting the monitor refresh rate to 60 Hz (in NCP's Resolution pane) and then employing Vsync in MFS with a setting of 30 FPS (50% in SU 10). That has always worked a treat for me and allowed me to set high LOD and use mostly Ultra settings with buttery-smooth performance. The FPS always stays at 30.0 with the GPU rendering a frame every 32.6 ms. With these settings, popping out those G1000 panels doesn't lower that FPS figure an iota, but I'm actually striving to limit it to 30 and striving NOT to get high frame rates. Before yesterday, I'd done only one driver update, in the last 18 mo., that being recently, and I neglected to check the Nvidia Control Panel, which had set the monitor refresh rate back to 120Hz. I hadn't used Developer to check FPS or rendering rate since then, and that explains why I was seeing the FPS drop with popouts for the 1st time with SU 10. I've now set everything back per Pilot Pete's scheme, and I'm once again seeing perfectly stable FPS with zero stutters or tearing and no drop in FPS when popping out two instrunents even when flying low over Manhattan -- still 30.0 and smooth as silk on DX 11 and DX 12. I think I'll stay with TAA for now. If I go to VR, I think I'll need different settings, at which point DLSS will come in very handy. Multimonitor in SU 10 also requires creating new windows, and doing that results in crippling cross in FPS on many systems. It did on mine before doing the settings, but I haven't looked at it again since changing then R7 5800X RTX 3080 10GB

@mikecoffee100 Жыл бұрын

Sounds complicated for me so I will stick with TAA my video card is grand being a 2060 and FPS 70 to 80 but othewise a Spot on Video

@peterbregman3014 Жыл бұрын

Thanks for your great videos! I’m relative new and learn a lot. My system: Rtx3090 (recently upgraded from 3070), i5-11600k, reverb g2. I copied your VR settings but another Simmer (I forgot his name) suggested to increase openXR rendering to 200% and decrease DLSS to “balanced”. I tried it and gives sharper cockpit view and FPS remains just above 30. What’s your experience?

@SimHangerFS Жыл бұрын

I tried the 200% but didn’t work for me. Glad it has help you though 😀

@andrewbolton7797 Жыл бұрын

Great stuff Mark but what was the upscale power of 2 setting ? Also applicable to vr ?

@SimHangerFS Жыл бұрын

Yes circa x2, little bit less technically.

@Nareimooncatt Жыл бұрын

I noticed in 2D mode, you render DLSS at 1440 and upscale to 4k, but in TAA you set the render scale at 100% 4k. I think a more apples to apples comparison would be with the TAA render scale set to 1440 as well, letting the sim use its own upscale to 4k.

@SimHangerFS Жыл бұрын

Interesting point, but the real measure is what you see and experience in sim…and that in this case was 4K. 👍

@Ezza-1 Жыл бұрын

I have also found that I have blank avionics screens on all aircraft since update 10. Don’t know if it is the sim update or Nvidia update that is the issue. Anyone else have this problem?

@Senseimatty81 Жыл бұрын

Very interesting thanks! Where can I find your system spec???

@SimHangerFS Жыл бұрын

10900k 32Gb ram, rtx3090 👍

@Ezza-1 Жыл бұрын

I assume you need a 4K monitor to achieve 3840 x 2160 resolution? I am unable to select this resolution as the max available is 3440 x 1440 in MSFS. I am using an Acer monitor with 3440 x 1440 at 144Hz. Will DLSS upscale my picture to 4K?

@ede8193 Жыл бұрын

Mark great stuff! Very interesting for sure, question....I have a i7 9700K with a rtx 3070 is it worth me trying DLSS? Oh and I'm running a 1080p monitor, thanks!

@markmaltais3711 Жыл бұрын

Well, I can say, I also have a 9700k (oc'd to 5ghz on each core) and a 3080ti. DLSS, at least for me in VR has been amazing! Takes two seconds to turn on and off, so why not try it! :)

@SimHangerFS Жыл бұрын

Give it a try, you’ve nothing to lose!

@ede8193 Жыл бұрын

@@markmaltais3711 thanks for your reply Mark! I will try for sure!

@briank3754 Жыл бұрын

And after the update, MSFS is still not optimized for DLSS. In fact my VR performance has decreased by 10% after the update with no other changes. No noticeable difference 2d. It’s running great in 2d as it was before the update. I have a 2070 super in ultra and getting 50 fps in most areas and about 35 in busy areas in 2d.

@rh3223 Жыл бұрын

Thanks Mark. DLSS seems to be a useful giving me a useful boost in FPS. Is DX12 worth a look or stick with 11 ?

@Bluth53 Жыл бұрын

Video out tomorrow by VRFlightSimGuy

@Bluth53 Жыл бұрын

It's out already: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/iJODepuetrW3j2w.html

@rh3223 Жыл бұрын

@@Bluth53 Thankyou

@robertrent5218 Жыл бұрын

Thanks. Can you saysomething about micro stuttering in TAA vs DLSS?

@SimHangerFS Жыл бұрын

I didn’t get micro stutters except just before LondonCity airport as it loaded in the scenery.

@julianneale6128 Жыл бұрын

What does anyone think about the new NVIDIA driver just just came out. Will that help to sharpen the instruments?

@SimHangerFS Жыл бұрын

Yes it should do to some extent at higher resolutions…still need to test it

@victoralhassan9164 Жыл бұрын

Hi. What is the effect of setting the opener xr render scale above 100 like 120 or even 150. It seems to give me a sharper outside view. What is your opinion on this?

@victoralhassan9164 Жыл бұрын

I should add I am using the reverb g2 with a 3090 ti

@SimHangerFS Жыл бұрын

If DLSS is providing enough headroom on your system, post testing then why not. This will however impact on fps obviously, limiting your ability to adjust other settings within the sim. Depends on your preference.

@_Arthur- Жыл бұрын

Have you also tried DLSS with foveated rendering and no upscaling in the OpenXR Toolkit? Wouldn't this improve performance even further?

@SimHangerFS Жыл бұрын

Yes it could, I’m not a fan personally of FFR though.

@_Arthur- Жыл бұрын

@@SimHangerFS ok. May I ask why you're not a fan of FFR? I've set it up in such a way I can't see the difference (mostly downscale the outer ring which is outside my pereferal vision), so for me it's a free fps gain.

@SimHangerFS Жыл бұрын

@@_Arthur- I find the reduction in the peripheral view distracting, plus I don’t need it at the moment, average of 42 fps in VR is giving me a great performance.

@jadamsnz Жыл бұрын

I'm confused. You upscale to 4K but your resolution is 3840x1440 which is a 1440 widescreen (same as my monitor) and not 4K. Surely this is putting more load on your GPU than is needed?

@guzler9959 Жыл бұрын

I'm a bit confused with all this DLSS stuff. Normally run TAA with upscaling set to 120 on a 1440 monitor and 3070 card. Running DLSS in the options menu shows quite a noticeable blurriness, both close up and terrible for distance. Might as well just turn all my settings down. Also running latest studio driver

@SimHangerFS Жыл бұрын

I recommend using the latest game driver. It provides better performance. Try DLSS at quality setting anything less will be poor visuals on a 1440p monitor.

@guzler9959 Жыл бұрын

@@SimHangerFS I'm experimenting with the quality setting. I believe there is a new game driver due next week that I'll hold out for and try with that, thanks

@peterdr7193 Жыл бұрын

Hi Mark, I want to install the new driver. When I check Nvidia website, I found the Game Ready Driver and the Studio Driver. So my question, which one do I have to download ? Many thanks for your reply.

@rbarlow Жыл бұрын

Game ready

@sascenturion Жыл бұрын

@@rbarlow hi Russ 😀👍

@peterdr7193 Жыл бұрын

@@rbarlow thank you !

@pareshrr Жыл бұрын

I am seeing a shimmering effect when using the VR. Tried out your settings and still the problem exists. I have a 3090, Ryzen 5950x 3.5Ghz with 64 GB RAM with a custom water cooling machine and using the HP reverb G2. Please someone help me fix this issue. I have been trying so many solutions past year but nothing seems to work. Offering $250 to whoever can fix this issue for me.

@BozyHandle Жыл бұрын

I personally find that on any DLSS setting my fps is 10 less than TAA mode Specs: RTX 2080S Ryzen 7 2700x 32gb ram SF750W B550I AORUS PRO AX Running 1440p

@SimHangerFS Жыл бұрын

Might be the limitations caused by your cpu?

@warrenx9 Жыл бұрын

The new nvidia driver is out as of today. 517.48

@SimHangerFS Жыл бұрын

Yes I know, see pinned comment.

@warrenx9 Жыл бұрын

@@SimHangerFS Sorry I missed that.

@Cal3000 Жыл бұрын

I'm having issues with Oculus and DLSS. Flights start off fine, but 2 or 3 minutes in the head tracking becomes jittery and eventually becomes a mess with the cockpit following my head turns. Trying to find a fix for it, but it has been unplayable with DLSS

@SimHangerFS Жыл бұрын

Make sure your using DX11.

@Cal3000 Жыл бұрын

@@SimHangerFS Did that and it works better! I'm not sure if it is just me, but DX11 with DLSS seems more washed out and low resolution compared to TAA. Need to do more visual tests.

@SimHangerFS Жыл бұрын

@@Cal3000 yes it is, as it is an upscaled image, and why we need DX12 to work as it will improve both aspects.

@dabneyoffermein595 Жыл бұрын

What is your overclock on your 12900K & 3090?

@SimHangerFS Жыл бұрын

No overclock, both running at standard. Sorry I’m wrong, CPU running at 4.9….standard 3.7

@stevesumner9988 Жыл бұрын

Unfortunate. Maybe someday something will be developed for GTX owners. Meanwhile, I run TAA in settings, with the HIGH settings a get very smooth performance with 30-35 FPS. Can't complain really. One thing I noticed, I was constantly getting message, Bandwidth too low, or ,you have been switched to offline mode. I have fibre optic internet running at download, and upload speeds of 500mbps. I also have a new router which can handle 1.5gig speeds. My machine is a higher end system. Still think the problem is with their servers. But, in the meantime, I went to using the rolling cache system. I designated the file into my F drive and allocated 200gig for the cache. I haven't had a bandwidth message since. Load times have been reduced by at least 75%.

@stevesumner9988 Жыл бұрын

I have a 1070 GTX, and downloaded the new drivers today. Still no DLSS

@SimHangerFS Жыл бұрын

You need an RTX card for DLSS.

@raymondgoubet Жыл бұрын

I am a bit confused from 3:20... On my graphics setting, in DLSS, there is no Render...

@SimHangerFS Жыл бұрын

Do you have an RTX card, and if so, what model?

@raymondgoubet Жыл бұрын

@@SimHangerFS Yes I have: ASUS 3090 TUF Gaming 24 GB OC ! When anti aliasing is TAA, below I have "Render scaling ...". But when anti aliasing is NVIDIA DLSS, below, *"Render scaling ..." is replaced by "NVIDIA DLSS" with choices of Balanced, Quality, Ultra performance, Performance.*

@SimHangerFS Жыл бұрын

@@raymondgoubet yes that is correct, the ‘’mode’’ you choose determines your render scale.

@raymondgoubet Жыл бұрын

@@SimHangerFS Just to clarify, by "mode" do you mean the Display mode or anti-aliasing? Also, *when anti aliasing is set to NVIDIA DLSS, below, there is no Render mentioned, there is only "NVIDIA DLSS". It's not called Render scaling anymore, but "NVIDIA DLSS".* As the terminology changes, I can't see "Render" anymore... Do you see what I mean?

@SimHangerFS Жыл бұрын

@@raymondgoubet yes …render is for TAA modes etc. DLSS is an upscaling method…select the resolution and it will select the native downscaled resolution (render) needed to achieve the desired resolution. Hope this makes sense.

@Whykikamoocow Жыл бұрын

I’m still not sure after all these years why FPS is the benchmark of an enjoyable experience? I couldn’t tell you how many frames I get in game. My MSFS experience (prior to this update was silky smooth(albeit with lower settings in vr using a G2, but certainly not ugly). Stop chasing the frames people and test test test until you find what works for you. My rig 8700k 2080ti 48GB DDR4 3200Mhz Reverb G2.

@CRAIGWRAPSON1986 Жыл бұрын

Anybody getting CTDs using quest 2 with new nvidia driver and directX12 ?

@kelvinwhite5531 Жыл бұрын

Mine froze on me

@CRAIGWRAPSON1986 Жыл бұрын

I updated my open xr to the latest version and all seem good now

@imacmill Жыл бұрын

Why would there be new releases of DLSS? Isn't it supposed to learn as it goes along, making itself smarter? Or maybe it's DLSS, itself, that is releasing new versions of itself, to mess with our heads? /s

@SimHangerFS Жыл бұрын

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