Unbelievable! As if jim turned down tv work

All his comments are utterly irrelevant they cheated the system. Good blokes is irrelevant.

All he discussed was how much he loved Saracens. Protecting them big time.

Jim Hamilton , talks a good game , never played one , a legend in his own mind

As a London Irish fan I will wait till final outcome to jump in 😭bleeden relegation!! No iam waiting

It was common knowledge...Why act so surprised?🤔🤔

You really have to feel for the players and the Saracens fans.My honest feeling is that they look really well after their players,probably the best compared to all the other clubs.Player welfare and looking at their future prospects post retirement seems to be at the forefront and perhaps they missed a trick by not being more transparent with the premiership heads about it all . This is also very worrying for the national team as the spine consists of Sarries players so this will also be a self inflicted wound to England rugby if the fine and points deduction does not get overturned. BTW,Robshaw should keep his gob shut as Harlequins had Bloodgate a few years ago !

@Jim Hamilton you just said Sarecens help build players into a new career, a new pathway. This by investing in a business or property that the player benifits from, which you don't have a problem with. General Principles of the Regulation 2.3(b)(ii): payments to any employee benefit scheme, including without limitation any payments by the Club or Connected Party of the Club to an Employee Benefit Trust, Employer Funded Retirement Benefit Scheme or any equivalent entity shall be included in the Salary Cap Year in which they are charged by the Club in its statutory accounts or when paid by the Club, whichever is the earlier; How is what you describe not an employee benift scheme. The player benifits from some investment that they would not have had access to unless they were employeed by Saracens. # # # E D I T # # # The earliest document I have seen is the 2016-17. Where this rule is laid out as above. PremiershipRugbySalaryCapRegulations201617.pdf

We don't know what happened behind closed doors? Well actually we do hence the fine and points deduction. Bath are next..

J.Hamilton Ltd.

I agree that Saracens has a good club dynamic. But nevertheless they broke the rules and have done so for some time by the looks of it. Would they have been so dominant and successful if their salaries were on a par with other clubs, would they have attracted so many star players, probably not. I can understand the other clubs feeling annoyed with the situation...be very interesting to see how it all pans out.

I'm not sure about the word cheating. Cheating for me would be: directly deceiving the other clubs and Premiership Rugby about the investments and business opportunities etc knowing that it was breaking any rule or law. I think that Saracens thought they were playing the game and keeping within the legal loopholes and parameters/taking advantage of a grey area - all the top and elite teams/performers do this. Taking supplements to enhance your performance? Obtaining and accessing the latest and most expensive technologies/research in order to stay one step ahead of the game? Some clubs can afford these things better than others; does that then constitute cheating?

Montpellier must pay quite well

that Steve diamond comment is brutal lol

So what your saying Jim, is that IF you had gone to a big club, that wasn’t cheating, you could be presenting the One show or discussing tampons on loose women every lunch time 👍🏻

@Jim There are plenty of clubs that have done the good stuff you mentioned without breaking the cap. Lance Armstrong might of treated his team very well but he still cheated and robbed the honest teams of their just rewards. Saracen need to be stripped of their titles "won" during the period.

Why is there a cap in the first place?

Why is everybody acting surprised? They got caught cheating 4 years ago and it was commonly accepted that they still had been ever since. The only surprise is why anybody would believe that Saracens and their ownership won't try and do it again straight away. Nice bloke or not, Nigel Wray clearly isn't fit to manage a Premiership rugby team. If Saracens want to stay in the league, he should go.

Jim said himself help them invest help them become entrepreneurs. Yes good idea. But do it with their money and their money only. The second the owner and those affiliated with the club are putting money in to then they are clearly in receipt of additional money from the club. It's cheating.

Did the Saracens players in the World Cup know that this was going to explode in England, before playing the World Cup Final.....did it have an effect on their performance?

Coming from a long time Quins supporter, Robbo needs to shut his fucking trap given our history in regard to being caught. Sarries were caught, punishment given, get on with it.

Everyone knew already and here are the facts. You knew yourself. They should be stripped of their championships.

Declined all offers so you can promote your own shit !! We're not not stupid, do not treat us like so !!!!!! Disgusted at Saracens behaviour they should be stripped of all those titles won during the stated period!

Saracens never hid the fact that they were investing in the health, welfare and future careers of their players. It’s been well documented that no other club supports player health now and into the future as well as Saracens. This is something every other club should feel ashamed by. Unlike other clubs trying to buy success like Exeter or Sale etc, nearly every single key player at Saracens has been at the club through the academy system or joined years ago. It seems that investments are not covered by the cap so who knows what the outcome will be. Trolls like Baxter, Diamond etc should just wait till the process is ended before abusing Saracens.

The England captain is one of those Saracens. He proved to be a disgrace after losing the WC final. They think they are almighty. Fact is it all comes from the culture existing in the clubs such as Saracens. Cheats never prosper.