Hahaha now that’s a build idea!

@@DnD_Daily oh, im already working on it now lmao. I think archery fighting style would work on that? Lol. Maybe get an artificer buddy to slap returning weapon on a javelin

@@DnD_Daily Taking benefits of Ancestral Guardian debuff, I think it's best to make a range melee barbarian. A bugbear AG barbarian 3+/ Echo knight 11+ with a reach weapon can do melee attack 45ft away from the enemy (Echo 30ft away plus 15ft reach). With Rage/ reckless attack/ GWM, we can do great dmg like normal barbarians; With action surge and Unleash Incarnation per attack action, we can deal nova dmg if needed; With 45ft distance, the enemy can't get close unless it has great mobility or range attack, and will probably suffer Ancestral Guardian debuff. I believe this build is more effective than the barbarian archer build.

What a chad. Totally respect the ingenuity, and the reflavor is awesome since spears are crap RAW but really cool thematically

Yeah, you've gotta wonder why the spear is *EXACTLY as good,* no better and no worse, as a staff when the entire reason spears were invented in the first place is that a knife-on-a-stick completely outclasses both the knife and the stick ... 😉

A lot of people don't use peace cleric because it's really overtuned

War Cleric would also be good too, especially for using a Crossbow right from the get-go

Actually you don't need to attack with dex in 5e for sneak attack, you just need to use a finesse weapon and use strength - Ps. Reckless attack to get sneak attack 👀

@@calcymon89 I know. That’s why I felt it’s counterintuitive. With the rogue’s proficiency in only light armor, they rely on Dex for even a modest AC. Seeing Sneak Attack proc only with ranged or finesse weapons, my mind immediately goes to Dex, but you’re right. You don’t HAVE to use Dex with a finesse weapon. And yeah, Reckless Attack and Sneak Attack work nicely. They’re also really good grapplers. There are better ways to do it outside of core, but a 1/1 barbarian/rogue can grapple with advantage and expertise.

@@robertvanark1800 it is a great combo in that none of the abilities lock you out of using Str or Dex. Its why I hate that for other classes things are way more restrictive. A Str monk for example I believe does not work with most of your abilities. Or Dhampir only being allowed to use Con to do their bite attack so you cannot make it work with any class abilities.

​@@robertvanark1800 personally I don't see them as counter intuitive I think it's more of a perception issue that people have with the barbarian. One of my favorite builds I've ever made was a 5lvl barbarian 15 lvls rogue that specialized in grappling. Having a +17 in athletics with advantage on grapple checks and then the grappler feat giving you advantage on your future attacks allowing you to sneak attack is just really fun.

I've been thinking of trying a Kalashtar Soulknife Rogue/Bear Totem Barbarian and playing the "Rage" and psychic blades as letting the Quori more fully take over the Human's body. It has resistance to all damage and does some nice psychic damage even if you use strength. Take the Barbarian to 9th level and save the sneak attack for if you hit that crit. It's also a nice build out of combat as the Soulknife gives you some good bonuses to skill checks, too.

Hate to break it to you, but you cannot concentrate on Favored Foe or most if not all concentration without a spell abilities. The reason being that they all include the "as if you are concentrating on a spell". So concentrating on an ability is functionally exactly the same as concentrating on a spell and thus impossible while raging. Tho run this by your DM, cuz if it makes sense they might make an exception. Just know it also works for the enemy bandits haha

@@theknight1573 Not true. Rage says "If you are able to cast spells, you can't cast them or concentrate on them while raging." It specifically specifies you cannot concentrate on spells, not that you cannot concentrate on anything that requires concentration. The Favored Foe ability says " for 1 minute or until you lose your concentration (as if you were concentrating on a spell)." The latter note is only specifying you can lose concentration in the same way you could lose concentration on a spell, not that you are concentrating on a spell. Favored Foe is a non-spell ability that can be ended early in the same ways a spell can, following the same rules for losing concentration as a spell would. The Barbarian ability does not state you lose concentration, or that you cannot concentrate at all, merely that you cannot concentrate on spells specifically.

@@joocebocks8610 i mean I agree with you. But I believe by raw, you are to interpret the "as if a spell" that all rules that normally apply to spells, also apply to those effects. Or that might be rai... but it has been a while and I admit I have not looked for a sage advice for it, so I might actually be wrong. And if you should see favored foe as a spell in this regard... that kind of also infers that dispel magic/counterspell could work and Im pretty sure that isnt the intend... Im going to think about it for a while but I think you might be correct and Ive been ruling it wrong

@@theknight1573 "But I believe by raw, you are to interpret the "as if a spell" that all rules that normally apply to spells, also apply to those effects." The question is in the wording indeed, but the ability does not say you concentrate on them as if concentrating on a spell, but rather that you can lose concentration as if concentrating on a spell. There is in fact a big difference between the two. The former would mean that you follow all rules for concentrating on a spell, whereas the latter means you follow rules only as related to losing concentration. The Rage ability is not a standard rule for concentrating on a spell, but rather a specific class rule that has its own specific rules, which specify that you can't cast spells or concentrate on them. Since Favored Foe is not actually a spell in any way, but merely its concentration can be lost as if concentrating on a spell, it doesn't seem to rule as written that Favored Foe should be affected by Rage. Even if you look at the specific rules, the normal ways to lose concentration are casting another spell that requires concentration, taking damage, and being incapacitated or killed. These are the rules that the Favored Foe ability is referencing. Interestingly the RAW also seems to indicate that Hunter's Mark and Favored Foe stack. The reasoning is that the basic rule for Concentration is that, "You lose Concentration on a spell if you cast another spell that requires Concentration. You can’t concentrate on two Spells at once." You don't "cast" Favored Foe, as it's not a spell, thus it does not qualify as a spell that requires concentration, but merely an ability that requires maintaining concentration. The latter point, "You can’t concentrate on two Spells at once.", says "Spells" with capitalization, specifying it's in reference to the Spells mechanic of the game, which again, being a Spell, and being able to lose concentration as if it were a spell, are two vastly different things as rules. This means you should be able to concentrate on two different things, so long as they're not both spells. However, you COULD in the last case rule differently on, "You lose Concentration on a spell if you cast another spell that requires Concentration." If you wanted to rule that " (as if you were concentrating on a spell)" qualifies as concentrating on a spell, while not actually being a spell, you could argue that casting Hunter's Mark while Favored Foe is active would cancel out the concentration on Favored Foe, since a spell was cast while concentrating. I still do not believe this is an accurate interpretation RAW, however, activating Favored Foe cannot in any way be construed as casting a spell, so activating Favored Foe should never break concentration on an already active Hunter's Mark.

@@joocebocks8610 you raise interesting points and I have to look if there is any RAI on this, because I am starting to think that, by RAW, you are right.

For the race a Goblin would be interesting. The goblin still hides in the shadows but his ancestors protect him and his allies. It would be a very interesting twist on the barbarian for sure! :D

While the damage die options are terrible, I do like the hoopak since it has the finesse trait you can still use it. Now if you dip ranger instead of rogue you could take druidic warrior for magic stone to have 3 attacks that deal decent damage. Gloomstalker and swarmkeeper come to mind as options.

I wouldn’t say unfit but you’ll have to sacrifice something and have a DM willing to work with you. I could see it working though. If I were to do it I wouldn’t use the hand Xbow but a longbow instead.

I think Phantom Steed is amazing on Ancestral Barbarian. You can kite to a distance that protects you from attacks.

Missed opportunity on our part 😅

Indeed. That's a cool build name. Also I had to go look up the rules for Rage. I was like you can't...... Never mind... Carry on. Lol

Correct, that is within the rules

“Your rage lasts for 1 minute. It ends early if you are knocked unconscious or if your turn ends and you haven't attacked a hostile creature since your last turn or taken damage since then. You can also end your rage on your turn as a bonus action.”

@@DnD_Daily I've taken another look at the actual text and d*mn, I guess I was wrong and confused it with a number of other barbarian features. Ina similar way it's very counter intuitive but monks lose hardly that many features from wearing armor or using heavy weapons.