Do Box Office Bombs Kill Careers?

Do Box Office Bombs Kill Careers? | By the Numbers

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Жыл бұрын

Not every movie is going to be a runaway hit, but what damage can a box office flop do to a movie star's career? Everyone has opinions, but we have the stats and we're giving it to you by the numbers!
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Adapted from the article "Do Hollywood Flops Kill Movie Careers? A Statistical Analysis." by Daniel Parris
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Adapted from the article "Do Hollywood Flops Kill Movie Careers? A Statistical Analysis." by Daniel Parris
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@Oetam8566 Жыл бұрын

"John Carter, underrated btw." Thank you Spencer!!! Probably my favorite bomb ever haha

@MarkTyger Жыл бұрын

Goes to show how weird the 90's were for big swings in Hollywood. Hard to believe there was a time that Hollywood seemed very hesitant to dig into book/IP adaptations, but the proof was there in the 90's. So many big budget flops that were adaptations. Mostly, I think, because the filmmakers didn't really "get" the properties they were trying to make. Too many filmmakers were more interested in putting their own spin on an established IP while ignoring the spirit or appeal of the source material (Tim Burtons's Planet of the Apes, the Stallone Judge Dread movie, the painful Mario Brothers film). With some rare exceptions, of course (Addams Family). I don't disagree that Hollywood is playing it too safe these days, but they haven't recovered from having all nearly all of the best screenwriters going to prestige cable TV series, where writers get multiple seasons to craft far deeper narratives than what they can squeeze into a 100 minute script for a Hollywood feature. Steaming hasn't helped matters either.

@alveolate Жыл бұрын

ironically, the most recent writers' strike is due to streaming platforms stiffing them on royalties... so there is a chance that good writing returns to hollywood filmmaking for a while? altho some of these streams are themselves hollywood 😱

@wyldhowl2821 10 ай бұрын

I suppose the lesson to executives is: stow your egos, and make sure you have good writers. Not that they will ever heed this lesson.

@shankly7 Жыл бұрын

The rate of flops reduced because obvious bad projects were shifted to Straight to DVD and VOD/Streaming

@greensteve9307 Жыл бұрын

"Straight to video (VHS)" also existed, e.g. the Aladdin sequels of the 90s.

@launchpadmcquack8142 Жыл бұрын

This was super interesting. Thanks Fandom. It always makes me sad when people don't show up for great, unique movies (Nice Guys comes to mind) because it just reinforces studios position of never making anything not based on existing IP. Which is just boring.

@tench07 Жыл бұрын

Nice Guys is a great example. Really clever story, very good dialogue and great chemistry between the actors.

@ctk4949 Жыл бұрын

If it was true the rock would have stopped making movies a looooong time ago!! lol

@TheLivingThanos Жыл бұрын

I hope he does....what he did with Shazam was bad

@cea6770 Жыл бұрын

Dwayne Johnson hasn't had a 'box office bomb' at the level used by this video (less than 50% budget in domestic gross, e.g. Black Adam still made ~90% of the budget in domestic gross, which is still a significant loss for investors but does not fit the definition of this video). Based on the data used for this video alone, the rock should actually be considered the risk-adverse 'safe choice' more than an actor who keeps getting jobs despite the bombs. Alternatively, you could say this study used a way-to-high-bar in their definition of 'box office bombs'.

@ctk4949 Жыл бұрын

@@cea6770 I guess I always associate bombs with terrible movies and that for sure is D dwayne. If he is the main character, the movie is terrible. lol

@Emulcool Жыл бұрын

The problem is that so far , the rock still manages to be in films were it's NOT a disaster ..financially at least

@senister14 Жыл бұрын

The rock is like Ben stiller character in tropic thunder.

@jeremiahjones3010 Жыл бұрын

Thank God for A24 for supporting original stories. I hope Everything, Everywhere, All at Once isn't a flash in the pan and more studios take risks like that.

@CheneNri Жыл бұрын

What I love about A24 is that it takes familiar ideas/concepts and expands on them to create a whole new story. A multi-universe is not a new idea. Family drama and having an existential crisis are not new ideas. In fact, Everything, Everywhere, All at Once is pretty much a combination of The Matrix and A Christmas Carol but with more nuance and an Asian family at the center. A24 is succeeding because not only do they value fresh ideas and engaging storytelling, but they know how to take a basic/familiar idea and turn it on its head to create a new story. They don't have to rely on continuing a franchise or existing IP to help them get attention from audiences (they can choose to do so if they want to, for example, X and Pearl, but they don't heavily rely on that option). Nowadays when A24 comes out with a new project, there's excitement because A24 has accumulated a lot of trust in their studio.

@jodypoelzer3046 Жыл бұрын

People are scared of original Blockbuster movies, two examples are Edge of Tomorrow and Oblivion!

@Gerard_Blooter Жыл бұрын

Definitely! However, they basically set up Edge of Tomorrow to fail when it released.

@TheJerbol Жыл бұрын

Well EoT was great and Oblivion wasn't

@musyarofah1 Жыл бұрын

EoT wasn't really an original (it's an adaptation of All You Need Is Kill)

@Timlagor Жыл бұрын

Event Horizon and Man on the Moon might have ben flops but they were really good which might help explain the directors' survival. Another key is how successful they (whatever role) might have been prior huge household names are more likely to get another shot

@uggman9 Жыл бұрын

This video really shows the reality of the movie landscape we are in, a sad reality where bottom lines rules what we the audience get to see.

@jamespgarner1 Жыл бұрын

Glad you mentioned John Carter by name. Movie was highly underrated!

@apetit8687 Жыл бұрын

"Thank you" for reminding me that Cats exists :/

@MrSpartan993 Жыл бұрын

Yeah. Now if you’ll excuse me I gotta go throw up.

@kelgreen99 Жыл бұрын

Actors like Pacino, Depp or DeNiro show up for the paycheck more than creativity. Maybe that's why they don't care if it's a flop. They're still gonna get new car money regardless.

@billyrobinson6815 Жыл бұрын

*new house money

@kenneth6102 Жыл бұрын

*New private island money

@kenneth6102 Жыл бұрын

When even your fart has more charisma than a hot actress in her 20's, you just showing up would give the movie more magic than some talentless actors after-burning their souls on set. For artists, talent is the only thing that matters. To be honest, when you have actors like those on set, it's more of the director's fault when the production flops.

@kelgreen99 11 ай бұрын

@@kenneth6102 Or the writers.

@alfredomaclaughlin1185 11 ай бұрын

John Carter deserved better. It was really truthful to the original material (updated, of course). I feel that it flopped in part because of bad marketing -- the trailers were meaningless for anyone who did not know the original novels already! (For those who still don't, it's the series that begins with A Princess of Mars, by Rice Burroughs). But it's one of the few movies I enjoy rewatching, and near the end has one of the funniest unexpected jokes in movie history.

@Maitch3000 Жыл бұрын

The argument is flawed, since movies cam still turn in a profit after the initial run. There are many classic movies that are bombs by this metric. Stuff like The Wizard of Oz, Blade Runner and The Shawshank Redemption. In the 90's, a movie could end up earning more on DVD sales than in theatres. This is why they were seemingly more happy to take risk, because it wasn't really a big risk. There was a big secondary revenue stream.

@artfire28 Жыл бұрын

Its bad writing that kills their careers. Some films maybe had bad reviews like Rambo, but over time they're becoming more relevant and Stallone is still making films.

@saturnv2419 Жыл бұрын

I would add the rating agencies and internet to this. It seems a bit strange that the risk aversion of studios happen to coexist with the blooming of internet ratings like rotten tomatoes and imdb.

@NotAGoodUsername360 Жыл бұрын

Event Horizon didn't kill Anderson's career because it turned into a cult classic that did much better on home release. Soldier absolutely did finish him off, though. And Formon? Well... Amadeus is one of the greatest movies of all time, period. One Flew one of the greatest novel adaptations, too. It's understandable how people assumed Man on the Moon was a fluke.

@SaketSharma5595 Жыл бұрын

this is actually well made video, thank you fanda

@THEWraithKing Жыл бұрын

I personally enjoy John Carter. Wasn't a masterpiece but I thought that movie was a lot of fun and I was hoping for a sequel. Unfortunately we didn't get it due to it's failure in the box office.

@Gerard_Blooter Жыл бұрын

Really great video. Would love to see more of these!

@senister14 Жыл бұрын

I agree, it's like Hollywood is to afraid these days to make good movies and just want sequels of already established ips. No new room for creative ideas.

@ketfoen Жыл бұрын

Kurt Russel in Soldier was amazing, cant believe that movie flopped 😲. Its my guilty pleasure movie.

@zhaoliang4217 4 ай бұрын

Several of the flops that “lucky” actors survived are very good but didn’t get marketed well (Soldier, Rosewood, Rock Star) and two are legit masterpieces: Big Trouble in Little China, Man on The Moon.

@kenthehobo Жыл бұрын

This could be a 2 hour documentary style vid!!

@mainchannel1566 Жыл бұрын

Great video

@aloysiusmaina2625 Жыл бұрын

Unexpectedly informative. But I would have loved it if you spent more time talking about the actual flops. I am curious 👀!

@Chaosarmy 11 ай бұрын

Can you do a by the numbers for Cobra Kai, who got scored the most hits, who took the most hits?

@slowburnj Жыл бұрын

Jared Leto keeps getting roles, it's crazy.

@jeuryrabassa4724 Жыл бұрын

🤦

@ironfox4990 Жыл бұрын

It’s the same thing with Amy Schumer.

@JonsDDVlog Жыл бұрын

I'd like to say that I enjoyed this, but you spoke so fast and didn't explain yourself adequately. Perhaps if I was in showbiz and was used to speaking about this stuff all of the time, I would have appreciated your video more (and understood it better). I understood the conclusions you were trying to prove. I just wish I could have understood the steps you took to get to those conclusions better.

@mcbean1 Жыл бұрын

I don't know what the current state of the relationship but you guys should get Dan to host these segments.

@myplane150 Жыл бұрын

Jon Carter from Mars... I agree! Totally undrerrated movie. I thought is was a lot of fun.☺

@starkparker16 Жыл бұрын

Thunderbolt and Lightfoot was really good

@clownpendotfart Жыл бұрын

Coppola didn't direct Supernova, he was just brought in to re-edit it. And he's got flops of his own, like One From the Heart.

@Michelllemabelle Жыл бұрын

Show me how Star Wars Attack of the Clones & Star Wars Revenge of the Sith were flops according to your definition. I thought they made a ton of money despite the hate that some people piled on them.

@daveherz998 Жыл бұрын

Tim Allen is kind' of a wang, but Big Trouble is super underrated. Great cast, well edited, the directing is good. In a lot of ways, its kind of just Ocean's 11 if it were a dumb comedy and well rounded female characters

@KeithFraser82 Жыл бұрын

1:53 "Yes! I am invincible!" (Pronounced "eenveenceebull".)

@JB-tz8fu 10 ай бұрын

😂😂 damn I forgot about Meg Ryan 😂😂😂 Johnny Depp is the man...

@codybishop7526 Жыл бұрын

Amazing work Team Fandom, and FANDOM AI

@DJ_Randy_B Жыл бұрын

😯wow! Big trouble in little China was a flop?!

@dkarras Жыл бұрын

😢 f(!

@gezeo750 Жыл бұрын

Wow very interesting! I knew Hollywood was playing it safe for a loooong while now, and now we know why.

@amerejester3295 11 ай бұрын

Why isn't Elizabeth Berkley on the list of Fallen Performers for Showgirls? Colin Farrell and Nicole Kidman's careers are just fine. They bounced back.

@thetradingyogi Жыл бұрын

You mean for every 100 heaven's gate there is 1 apocalypse now. The math speaks for itself from a risk reward point of view.

@AustinIsTheGreatests 11 ай бұрын

Is John Wick from Long Island? I thought he had New Jersey plates on this Mustang

@UrbanMediaReview Жыл бұрын

John Carter was underrated. Idk if it dropped during a bad time or they promoted it wrong or not enough

@inktea256 Жыл бұрын

It’s based off an IP literally nobody knows about anymore on a ridiculously massive budget, the acting was laughable, the characters were brainless cardboard cutouts, and it clearly didn’t understand or respect the source material. This was the first film I ever saw where I was rooting for the bad guys.

@JesusSavesSinners Жыл бұрын

@@inktea256You are crazy. John Carter is not unknown. It was bigger than Conan the Barbarian. It is a very famous and huge selling book series. Disney just dropped the movie with no promotion. Most people never even realized that it was made and released.

@dkarras Жыл бұрын

Agreed, I remember seeing it at home (on TV or something, I didn’t rent it) & was surprised how much I enjoyed it for a film I’d heard nothing or next to nothing about. I can’t even recall any marketing linking it to it’s influential origins. Maybe they did, I just never saw any. And it was definitely better than any impression any marketing I might have seen left on me.

@UrbanMediaReview Жыл бұрын

@@inktea256 yeaa the acting won't the best. Fast forward to today and it's showtime and HBO shows with terrible acting and several seasons.

@leeahlstrom3300 Жыл бұрын

Can you show the graphs by studio? What are the trends of the individual studios are are some more likely to flop than others?

@zhaoliang4217 4 ай бұрын

0 seconds ago The drop number of flops really due to efficiency or playing safe? Or selling off or diverting movies that look likely to flop in theaters to Netflix or Disney Plus release instead of theatrical release? Ditto new promising stories.

@arielfangirlmendez Жыл бұрын

I need to rewatch space jam a new legacy

@MrSpartan993 Жыл бұрын

Was it any good or just meh?

@DiMono Жыл бұрын

Well, turns out a lot of movies I enjoyed growing up were flops. Who knew?

@zhaoliang4217 4 ай бұрын

The number of flops really due to efficiency or playing safe? Or selling off or diverting movies that look likely to flop in theaters to Netflix or Disney Plus release instead of theatrical release?

@FishFeelPain Жыл бұрын

Don't Google Heaven's Gate and horses unless you feel like crying

@Haystacks Жыл бұрын

Your video is interesting and entertaining. Please remove the scanning bits, they are not necessary, your content is good enough to not need distractions.

@Timlagor Жыл бұрын

On the plus side you can make a lot more for your budget and that will only increase with "AI"

@simontrickfilmer Жыл бұрын

Whats the movie on 6:42 the girl running in flying flowers?

@dkarras Жыл бұрын

I’m guessing A Wrinkle in Time ? I haven’t seen it but I think that’s Mindy Kaling running & Oprah in the background & they both look like their characters from what I recall.

@PatrickPaul1203 Жыл бұрын

I know it’s a crazy ask for KZfaq but any chance you would show sources for your numbers?

@cea6770 Жыл бұрын

Probably better to ask the original article this video was based on (see description). I would guess they have a Python or R dataset.

@PatrickPaul1203 Жыл бұрын

@@cea6770 I didn’t see that in the description, thank you.

@racheldare. Жыл бұрын

why did you have to remind me about gods of egypt

@l90316 Жыл бұрын

Read out those names next time please?

@DJ_Randy_B Жыл бұрын

or use the pause button 🤔

@yaha1313131313 Жыл бұрын

That made me depressed. Lol

@capitainefrite Жыл бұрын

Wowowo : scorsese is the king of surviving flops

@michaelwesten4624 Жыл бұрын

make a bad move. we learned nothing and we wasted money. and we will do it again - netflix

@MrSpartan993 Жыл бұрын

Too true!

@tshegofatsoletlape8721 Жыл бұрын

So Margot Robbie and Zack Snyder?.

@lkfman Жыл бұрын

Is it just me or does the narrator sound like Sean Evans from Hot Ones ??

@Buridan84 Жыл бұрын

"That's Capitalism, baby!"

@dani3po Жыл бұрын

John Carter cost at least ten times more than John Wick, though.

@anarionelendili8961 Жыл бұрын

John Carter is underrated.

@jnnx Жыл бұрын

Your mom is underrated, SON!

@MokeSumUp Жыл бұрын

The ending broke my 8 year old heart when I first saw it. It was SO good.

@davidburnett5049 Жыл бұрын

@@jnnx I appreciate this sort of joke

@wilomica Жыл бұрын

I saw 3 others I liked; Valmont, Man on the Moon and Soldier,

@anarionelendili8961 Жыл бұрын

@@jnnx That she is. She's the best.

@PatrickPaul1203 Жыл бұрын

For people like The Rock, no, they’re fine.

@MrSpartan993 Жыл бұрын

Why IS he safe though? I’ve (been forced) seen a lot of his stuff over the years and it’s almost always mediocre at best.

@PatrickPaul1203 Жыл бұрын

@@MrSpartan993 because most people find him to be a likable character himself so when he plays a version of himself it’s all many people want to see. Keep in mind most people go to the movies to have a good time, and that’s generally something he’s good at.

@kly8105 Жыл бұрын

EVENT HORIZON WAS A FLOP??? wtf

@ploppill34 Жыл бұрын

If you’re not including their advertising costs, then what’s the point?

@101retspoons 2 ай бұрын

this could have been interesting, but you didn't go into detail about any of the examples

@meltz911 Жыл бұрын

Put Cara Delevingne in anything and you have a guaranteed flop

@BossBast1 Жыл бұрын

Remakes and sequels are getting annoying... Soon they will need to innovate again.

@Kaalokalawaia Жыл бұрын

So indie films will do better. I'm fine with that.

@Sr_Sinful Жыл бұрын

Zack Snyder is definitely a director that's survived multiple flops somehow (watchmen, sucker punch)

@MrSpartan993 Жыл бұрын

I wish he wouldn’t at this point.

@Republicadeinternet Жыл бұрын

AGUANTE JOHN CARTER!

@RAKESHSAINI-tt1lb Жыл бұрын

3 idiots Indian movie review please

@theappguy Жыл бұрын

Please stop the scanning thing, its annoying

@ploppill34 Жыл бұрын

No, shitty attitudes do

@santimulgosimms5730 11 ай бұрын

Ya capitalism!! Hooray for the free market🤡😭

@SMSimon Жыл бұрын

Outside of F&F movies, aren't all of The Rock's movies complete bombs? And Blade Runner 2049 was great btw

@I_WANT_MY_SLAW Жыл бұрын

Who cares? They're still millionaires.

@inktea256 Жыл бұрын

I WAS going to give this video a Like, then you called John Crapper underrated. That was the film which made me realize I needed to be careful about what films I see. It took me years of lying to my dad I liked it to realize that.