Do Honey Bees Prefer Honey B Healthy Feeding Stimulant Bee Nutrition Essential OIls Cane Sugar Syrup

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Frederick Dunn

Frederick Dunn

6 жыл бұрын

I purchased a bottle of Honey B Healthy on Amazon, here is the link:
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In this video, I used one gallon of purified fresh water
White table sugar was mixed with the water at a 2 to 1, two parts sugar to one part water, ratio and all four entry drinkers were filled with that sugar water.
Honey B Healthy was added to 2 drinkers at a rate of 1 teaspoon per quart.
The drinkers were arranged from left to right:
Sugar Water Only, Sugar Water with HBH added, Sugar Water Only and finally on the right end, Sugar Water with HBH added.
The end result as shown in this video is that our honey bees (we are five or more miles from any other managed honey bee colonies) preferred pure sugar water without additives over the Honey B Healthy amended water.
I made no assessment as to the health benefits of adding HBH, only made the basic observation that my bees don't choose it first.
You can read more about this product at: www.Honeybhealthy.com
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@PriestessKikyo1
@PriestessKikyo1 6 жыл бұрын
So I just watched a similar test video. So now I'm just confused. It's a brief video, thought you might want to watch! kzfaq.info/get/bejne/mdZdpbxektKcYY0.html
@FrederickDunn
@FrederickDunn 6 жыл бұрын
I've done this test several times under varying conditions with the same results as shown. The outcome is the same and it's repeatable by anyone anywhere. I honestly can't comment in a meaningful way about the video you've shared. I don't know all of the variables used in that example, but a single test with two drinkers would not be enough to satisfy my curiosity. I didn't have a single test where the bees preferred Honey B Healthy, or even Pro-Health over straight "filtered" sugar water. They issue may lie with the quality of the water used? City water would have a chlorinated aspect that the bees may decline when faced with the scented Honey B Healthy... if he repeated the test with distilled water... then added suger.. then added HBH to one, the results may be different. Without a clean-untreated water standard, the test has issues that must be considered. Smell tap water that has been through city treatment systems? It's not something I like drinking, let alone the bees. I hope that gives you some more food for thought? It's also why I discuss the PUR water filter system... gets all that smell/taste out of the water.
@masterbeekeeper30years18
@masterbeekeeper30years18 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks Priestess, I went and watched that video. Mr Dunn has a good response here since we don't know the parameters of that guy's test. I'm confused also.
@masterbeekeeper30years18
@masterbeekeeper30years18 6 жыл бұрын
Great Response Mr Dunn! I LOVE your approach to things like this.
@FrederickDunn
@FrederickDunn 6 жыл бұрын
Thank you as always Macro!
@PriestessKikyo1
@PriestessKikyo1 6 жыл бұрын
Interesting. Perhaps I will ask him more about his test. Your swift reply was much appreciated! It's always encouraging when even larger channels still answer questions/comments. I guess the only other thing I could think of is that could it be possible that only certain hives would be preferring the Honey B Healthy, if perhaps they are lacking in some essential nutrient in that particular hive, due to local conditions... (:::lots of head scratching here..:::)
@FrederickDunn
@FrederickDunn 6 жыл бұрын
For those who complained about the music or narration, here is another camera view with only natural sounds: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/Y6-Kn6yU2tHZZGw.html and a special thanks to those who are easy to please!
@masterbeekeeper30years18
@masterbeekeeper30years18 6 жыл бұрын
Who's complaining?! I thought it was cool!
@FrederickDunn
@FrederickDunn 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks Rachel and Macro!
@BlaineNay
@BlaineNay 6 жыл бұрын
So, the beekeeper is more attracted to so-called "feed stimulants" than are bees. Further evidence that the essential oil fad is nothing more than a fad. Thanks for adding a little science to the discussion.
@FrederickDunn
@FrederickDunn 6 жыл бұрын
Hi Blaine, yes, I think that there is a conspicuous absence of scientific support and you're probably correct in that it's marketing to "people" more than the bees. It probably doesn't hurt though. I am left with more questions than answers. Thanks for watching and commenting!
@user-fx5sw4jy7hYz9Hzi
@user-fx5sw4jy7hYz9Hzi 5 жыл бұрын
Question is though, bees preference does not necessarily mean that it's more healthy for their diet. Humans also prefer sugar to honey, but we know honey is more nutricious. This experience just simply tells bees prefer sugar but doesn't mean it's healthy for them.
@George-nx5lo
@George-nx5lo 4 жыл бұрын
@@FrederickDunn amen well said, zero evidence or data to show any health benefits at all
@TexasBeekeeper
@TexasBeekeeper 2 жыл бұрын
Wow! All this after I just made a half gallon of homemade HBH. To be fair......you had this up for over 4 years......so that's on me. Glad I didn't buy it. I really wouldn't have thought it was THAT big of a difference, but they were clearly avoiding it when they had a choice. Thanks for sharing!
@FrederickDunn
@FrederickDunn 2 жыл бұрын
It's not wasted, HBH does extend the life of your sugar syrup. But they overwhelmingly demonstrate a preference for sugar syrup with nothing but water in it.
@Ryvucz
@Ryvucz 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing the experiments this season, very interesting.
@FrederickDunn
@FrederickDunn 6 жыл бұрын
You're very welcome and thank you for viewing and commenting!
@NghiaNguyen-qq7yx
@NghiaNguyen-qq7yx 3 жыл бұрын
HOW DOES THIS NOT HAVE 1 MILLION VIEWS Already?
@norfolkhoneybee273
@norfolkhoneybee273 4 жыл бұрын
Interesting, people have bird feeders in gardens. Nice to see bee feeders in gardens too.
@cletusjones1631
@cletusjones1631 3 жыл бұрын
The bees have spoken 😂
@subhadaskrishnan6982
@subhadaskrishnan6982 3 жыл бұрын
good experiment man. truelly enjoyed watching this. ur presentation is also too good. congrats...
@Grammyhugs1
@Grammyhugs1 6 жыл бұрын
I have watched most of your videos and plan to learn how to be a bee keeper as a total newcomer. Your videos are most informative and soothing. I plan to use the flow hive. I'll continue to be your student. Thank you.
@FrederickDunn
@FrederickDunn 6 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much and welcome to my channel! :)
@cluelessbeekeeping1322
@cluelessbeekeeping1322 6 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for doing these reviews! They're practical and educational!
@FrederickDunn
@FrederickDunn 6 жыл бұрын
You are very welcome and thanks for watching!
@Sqeptick
@Sqeptick 6 жыл бұрын
I would not have guessed those results. Thanks.
@FrederickDunn
@FrederickDunn 6 жыл бұрын
You're very welcome, I'm with you, I actually expected the bees to go for the HBH mix first. I may continue with other parameters in the future.
@Merlin.Twiggles
@Merlin.Twiggles Жыл бұрын
Love the time laps videos you do. I have not seen them anywhere else
@FrederickDunn
@FrederickDunn Жыл бұрын
Thanks :)
@emmaguthrie1890
@emmaguthrie1890 3 жыл бұрын
Omg this is amazing!! I’d love to see it in real time
@blueneptune5860
@blueneptune5860 6 жыл бұрын
Wow great test .
@FrederickDunn
@FrederickDunn 6 жыл бұрын
Thank you Blue Neptune!
@karenk7157
@karenk7157 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the tests, have enjoyed them. Noticed when the bees started going for the HBH that the left drinker was in the sun. Wonder what effect temp has on their feeding preferences...
@FrederickDunn
@FrederickDunn 6 жыл бұрын
You are exactly right Karen! The left feeders were several degrees warmer and that definitely attracts the bees first, I like your thinking!
@TheFarmacySeedsNetwork
@TheFarmacySeedsNetwork 6 жыл бұрын
another great experiment! thank you!
@FrederickDunn
@FrederickDunn 6 жыл бұрын
You're welcome and thanks for watching and commenting!
@WilliamMcNett
@WilliamMcNett 6 жыл бұрын
That is interesting. When I've used it, I had them coming into the house searching for that smell. The hives are 100 so yards out back and I had the front door open.
@FrederickDunn
@FrederickDunn 6 жыл бұрын
As I suspected! :) it does smell really good, I have to admit.
@synder68
@synder68 4 жыл бұрын
3 am and im watching bees drink
@chipfriday8166
@chipfriday8166 5 жыл бұрын
Excellent experiment!
@FrederickDunn
@FrederickDunn 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much Chip!
@subhadaskrishnan6982
@subhadaskrishnan6982 3 жыл бұрын
this is the first time i even thought abt this things. it was like a class for me. i m in to bee keeping bt not large. bt the way i m jeneesh from India.
@LifeLikeSage
@LifeLikeSage 4 жыл бұрын
BRONDO IT'S GOT WHAT BEES CRAAAAVE
@suntzu5836
@suntzu5836 3 жыл бұрын
Electrolytes.....LOL...
@laurabunyard8562
@laurabunyard8562 6 жыл бұрын
Bees know what they need. And it is inexpensive. Nectar. Sugar water.
@FrederickDunn
@FrederickDunn 6 жыл бұрын
I agree Laura, always turn to the bees for the best answers :)
@ultragoldcoin8780
@ultragoldcoin8780 6 жыл бұрын
Frederick Dunn Do you use organic sugar like coconut sugar or just regular table sugar. I thought table sugar is bad for bees because its processed, it takes all the nutrients out of the sugar and is whitened
@MaynardFreek
@MaynardFreek 5 жыл бұрын
From your videos I'm setting up a 2 gallon feeder with Mortan Sea Salt, one 2 gallon sugar water and a 5 gallon of plain water and replenish as necessary
@ShelliG
@ShelliG 5 жыл бұрын
I only feed new packages early spring and have given choice and HBH was preferred in my experience - not free feed but baggies in the same hive with and without and not observed, just checked the days later to see if they need more and the HBH baggies were empty and the sugar water alone were not... but I did use water out of the tap and saw in your comment that might have an impact. This was interesting, though!
@framcesmoore
@framcesmoore 6 жыл бұрын
this is great thanks
@FrederickDunn
@FrederickDunn 6 жыл бұрын
you're welcome Frances
@sandraleishman878
@sandraleishman878 4 жыл бұрын
That was very cool!!
@GetGood5
@GetGood5 4 жыл бұрын
Very interesting!
@timothymitchell9956
@timothymitchell9956 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you , this is good to know. You are right they target man not bees.
@Tonnsfabrication
@Tonnsfabrication 6 жыл бұрын
An interesting note not related to sugar but rather only water, on my property I have a massive abundance of water sources, lakes, ponds, creeks and much more. I've found honey bees congregating at a certain spring which is really just a trickle out of the side of the hill and I don't usually see them elsewhere. I've noticed that they like certain water sources just like we do.
@FrederickDunn
@FrederickDunn 6 жыл бұрын
That spring, like many springs, may be full of mineral content and they also like high iron. I have a spring fed pond that they used to go to until I started offering sea-salt boosted water near the apiary. IF you have a leaky hose bib on your house, they tend to like to drink from that dripping source as well. Concrete bird baths are also popular with bees as the concrete leeches into the water also. Thank you for watching and sharing!
@christynm.8933
@christynm.8933 10 ай бұрын
VERY INTERESTING! THANKS 4 SHARING😁👍❤️
@davekeith7504
@davekeith7504 3 жыл бұрын
Some folk in Yorkshire , keeping bee's could not understand why the honey was purple red yellow blue . Until the that discovered it wasn't honey ,but a kind of sirup .They found out that the bee's were visiting the skips dumpster of a sweet factory miles away .
@FrederickDunn
@FrederickDunn 3 жыл бұрын
Oy!
@arcnline360
@arcnline360 4 жыл бұрын
Very interesting 🧐
@davemaloneyvideos
@davemaloneyvideos 6 жыл бұрын
I make up batches of syrup outside in a stock pot over a propane burner. Not many bees or yellow jackets are attracted while I am doing so unless I add the stimulant during the process. Which I no longer do! It is only after I transfer the newly-made syrup into holding buckets that I add the feeding stimulant. Once added, the bucket lid goes on because otherwise it would, indeed, attract bees and yellow jackets. The stimulant does a wonderful job preventing mold. And, of course, I would hope that there are (albeit elusive and as-yet unproven) health benefits for my bees.
@FrederickDunn
@FrederickDunn 6 жыл бұрын
Those are the results I want to see done as a scientific study Dave, the claims regarding mold prevention and even varroa repellant? It's an area that needs some real science and thanks for sharing your methods!
@danielmonheit
@danielmonheit 3 жыл бұрын
Back at it again...
@smportis
@smportis 6 жыл бұрын
Frederick, great videos, very informative. I’d love to see a review of Gunther Hauk’s recipe for “bee tea” vs sugar water. It’s not a product to buy, but to make.If you search, you should find the link to his website and recipe. Perhaps next spring for a new feeding video you could use this. Again maybe with and without the herbs and flower infusion that his recipe calls for vs sugar water vs HBH.
@FrederickDunn
@FrederickDunn 6 жыл бұрын
Hi smportis, thanks! For now, I'm reviewing marketed formulas as they have some consistency. I think that if I get into mixing my own, the quality variables wouldn't be tight enough for very good repeatability in other regions. BUT, anything is possible. For not, I'm working with Honey B Healthy and Pro-Health mixtures. Tomorrow I'm giving a seminar to a Biology group at Edinboro University and I'm hoping to inspire some of the undergrads to get into meaningful research on essential oils and their impact on varroa etc... thank you for your suggestion, there are lots of holistic approaches out there. I'm not convinced that I need to be following this method personally.
@886014
@886014 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks Fred, I was surprised at how quickly they consumed those containers. Im in the process of arranging waterers for our bees before they arrive but the option you show doesn't look like it can be sent to us down here in Australia (at least not through Amazon). I wondered what you used for everyday watering of your bees?
@FrederickDunn
@FrederickDunn 6 жыл бұрын
My waterers are just the black livestock bins that are two feet in diameter, like a large dog dish. I put mason bricks in the water so the bees have something to land on. If you only have a couple of hives, then I would buy the largest dog food dish you can find and use that and use large gravel, rocks or chunks that allow the bees to drink without falling in or being trapped. I know some people like to put marbles in their waterers, but the marbles don't allow the bees down in as the water levels drop. Bricks and rocks work much better. Thanks for asking and for watching!
@886014
@886014 6 жыл бұрын
Ok thanks Fred. I like the idea of a brick in bowl with maybe some cork floating in too. I want to have a few water sources around as our immediate neighbour has a pool and we don't want any issues there. My other concern is to not provide a breeding ground for mosquitoes, as the weather here is similar to Southern US. I guess. Of course it's your fault we have bees on their way with our name on them.;) Keep up the great work.
@FrederickDunn
@FrederickDunn 6 жыл бұрын
Please let me know what you end up doing and how it works!
@frankblangeard8865
@frankblangeard8865 3 жыл бұрын
People will also choose highly sugared drinks over healthier drinks.
@FrederickDunn
@FrederickDunn 3 жыл бұрын
Not me, I choose water
@InsideTheHiveTV
@InsideTheHiveTV 6 жыл бұрын
There are many recipes and brands of "B healthy" out there. I got a similar experience with the same brand used here with the majority of the bees tested. However, some bees were attracted at the same ratio to the sugar water and the sugar water + B Health in other experiments. It is inconclusive to me so far if this has some benefit or not. Keep the good work, Frederick. Cheers.
@FrederickDunn
@FrederickDunn 6 жыл бұрын
One of the tests where the bees went for the Honey B Healthy over the simple sugar water was when the sugar water was composed of city (chlorinated/treated) water and the Honey B Healthy successfully covered the scent of that water while simply mixing with sugar didn't. So if distilled, or highly filtered water is the base liquid prior to adding sugar and Honey B Healthy, the bees will take to sugar water first. Because "Honey B Healthy" is a brand name and also a specific mixture, the company under that name has only one formula. BUT, there are many options out there offering essential oil mixes. I've only tested the top two prepared mixes on the market and those are Honey B Healthy and Pro Health. There are currently no scientific studies supporting the health benefits of essential oils for honeybees. I am hoping that a grad student somewhere, possibly Cornell University, will conduct a study which will dismiss or support the claims posted by those marketing essential oils, or essential oil mixtures for HoneyBees. Yes, there are many people sharing their recipe and there are infinite variations. We'll keep learning. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment.
@InsideTheHiveTV
@InsideTheHiveTV 6 жыл бұрын
Frederick Dunn I will do it. My new job here at university of Florida is to work only with bee research addressed to commercial beekeepers. I’ll test all these products. I will post my findings in my channel. Let’s have a chat one of these days. Cheers.
@FrederickDunn
@FrederickDunn 6 жыл бұрын
THAT would be FANTASTIC... when you have your study results and a decent baseline, I will happily give you a shout-out during one of my bee videos and will link your KZfaq for others to view. I am so glad you are going to be doing that. Even if the findings/experiments do not support the benefits, we'll have answers. I can't tell you how happy I am to know you will be doing that. Thank YOU!
@InsideTheHiveTV
@InsideTheHiveTV 6 жыл бұрын
Frederick Dunn That sounds a plan!
@sablon3123
@sablon3123 6 жыл бұрын
Thank you I do think that the bees will like sugar water by itself more than honeybee coffee but it's not about feeding them it's about treating them for varroa mites and nosema and I think it probably does help them eventually but I want to make my own and give it a shot
@FrederickDunn
@FrederickDunn 6 жыл бұрын
Hi Jean! I'm still waiting for an actual study on the benefits of essential oils... can't hurt them I suppose...
@sablon3123
@sablon3123 6 жыл бұрын
Frederick Dunn mr. Done thank you so much I'm sure I will only give it to them in moderation as my father's favorite words everything in moderation
@FrederickDunn
@FrederickDunn 6 жыл бұрын
Sounds good Jean!
@user-fx5sw4jy7hYz9Hzi
@user-fx5sw4jy7hYz9Hzi 5 жыл бұрын
Bees preference does not necessarily mean that it's more healthy for their diet. Humans also prefer sugar to honey, but we know honey is more nutricious. This experience just simply tells bees prefer sugar but doesn't mean it's healthy for them. My feeling is that the Bee Collapse Syndrome is somehow linked to human feeding sugar to bees lessening their immunity to diseases among other factors.
@FrederickDunn
@FrederickDunn 5 жыл бұрын
Hi Paul, all of the containers have the same sugar/water ratio in them. Essential oils are sold often as a "stimulant" in order to get bees to take in more carbs. The test simply demonstrates that the essential oils do not encourage the bees to take in more carbs than sugar water alone. I make no claims about the health benefits which are claimed by the manufacturers. There is no science that has proven essential oils improve bee health and as in this case, also does not stimulate feeding over regular sugar water. Again, the sugar content of all containers is the same.
@davemaloneyvideos
@davemaloneyvideos 6 жыл бұрын
Great comparison. But I wonder if there are health benefits with HBH which would override the apparent bees' preference for 2:1 not having HBH.
@FrederickDunn
@FrederickDunn 6 жыл бұрын
I did look for some viable research on this product and other than an article, there haven't been any published papers on the measurable benefits of this additive.
@davemaloneyvideos
@davemaloneyvideos 6 жыл бұрын
Given its notoriety, I am surprised you could find no reports of its bona fide tested benefits. Their site does not list such measureable results, though many claimed benefits are listed: honeybhealthy.com/HoneyBHealthy.html
@FrederickDunn
@FrederickDunn 6 жыл бұрын
I was also surprised by that and yes, I checked out the article links on their site. There is room for a thorough study of several additives that are currently recommended for honey bee health improvement. But, it seems like a variety of non-scientific opinions prevail here. Randy Oliver is giving a talk to the PA Beekeepers and he's stated that there is no "science" behind these claims "yet". Hopefully, Randy or someone else with the resources for a real study will take this on in the near future.
@johnmcneill923
@johnmcneill923 6 жыл бұрын
Hi Fred Maybe this is the experiment Paul Stamets needs to do with mycorhisal extracts for verilla mite eradication ??
@FrederickDunn
@FrederickDunn 6 жыл бұрын
There is definitely lots of opportunity for study, I've not found any supporting science for essential oil in honey bees.
@JT_Collectibles
@JT_Collectibles 4 жыл бұрын
Your great videos got me thinking of a possible variant, or additional hypothesis, to test: if the sugar/water solution (without any additives) is better for long-term health versus a solution with a commercial supplement added; and to determine if the bees are only consuming the plain sugar/water solution first (or faster) because it tastes better. I’d compare this to a condition in which a small child was presented with a chocolate bar and a piece of broccoli. In most situations the chocolate would be eaten first. However, the chocolate does not provide anywhere near the nutritional value of the broccoli, and the chocolate does not have the "long-term" benefits a vegetable would have to the body, versus candy. Just because it (the chocolate) was consumed first (or faster) doesn’t dismiss the potential the product consumed second, or slower, (the broccoli) does not have benefits as well.Not sure how an experiment could be setup to apply this honey bees, but I wonder what we could do to test the potential long-term benefits/consequences (if any) of a commercial product added to a syrup solution, versus a "plain" syrup solution.Thanks again for the great videos!
@FrederickDunn
@FrederickDunn 4 жыл бұрын
The only proven advantage of the essential oils, has been that it extends the freshness of the sugar syrup. Essential oils have not, to date, proven to improve honey bee health. Instead, they are marketed as a feed "stimulant" in order to get weaker colonies to take in the sugar syrup. As shown here, the bees already have an appetite for sugar syrup, without the stimulant additive. The stories of benefits have been anecdotle and not scientifically reinforced. Nothing will be more nutritious to the bees than divere forage. Sugar syrup is an emergency carbohydrate used only when honey supers are not yet on, and when the honey is not to be consumed by humans. Emergency feed, not for human consumption (iaw essential oil labeling). I will talk about this on Friday during my Q&A. Thanks for giving it so much thought.
@neoben00
@neoben00 3 жыл бұрын
I do not use honey bee healthy or the alternative but ive done some testing with a top feeder. Using 10 drops of lemongrass oil emulsified in 2 quarts 1:1 sugar water. On average regardless of dearth or hive population the sugar water with lemongrass oil is taken 2x as fast. Whether its healthy for them i dont know.
@FrederickDunn
@FrederickDunn 3 жыл бұрын
There is lemon grass oil in all of the essential oil mixes.
@Loachie90
@Loachie90 6 жыл бұрын
Next video, Gatorade vs Powerade! ;). And who’s the grump that downvoted your video, wow.
@FrederickDunn
@FrederickDunn 6 жыл бұрын
Hi Michael :) not sure who the "downvote" was, but they do it on almost every video I post and the upside of that downvote is that engagement counts good, or bad, so they are actually helping without knowing it. But it would be helpful to hear their concerns. Unless it's someone who I've already blocked due to streams of profanity (';').. they can still "vote" Have a GREAT weekend!
@TheWizardGamez
@TheWizardGamez 3 жыл бұрын
@@FrederickDunn but what about the powerade vs gatorade
@Abcflc
@Abcflc 4 жыл бұрын
Maybe their instincts are to choose a simple water mix given that in nature, something sketchy could be in a complex mix, resulting in death or disease. Doesn't mean that the additives are bad.
@FrederickDunn
@FrederickDunn 4 жыл бұрын
Doesn't mean the additives are good either :)
@mikeosier9546
@mikeosier9546 Жыл бұрын
Is the honeybee healthy formula too strong to be used in a top round feeder. My bees seem to do fine with sugar syrup, but when I add the formula to it, they eat less and I find a few dead bees in the syrup.
@FrederickDunn
@FrederickDunn Жыл бұрын
You could definitely lower the dose, I find that they really to prefer sugar syrup with nothing else in it.
@sagenhoney
@sagenhoney 6 жыл бұрын
Very interesting. I appreciate your documentation and experimentation. I would have guessed the result to be quite different. I use HBH often when feeding my bees, but sometimes I don’t have any on hand. I believe supplements and essential oils are beneficial, but there are many factors I suppose. Based on this experiment, which I encourage others to do ( including myself)....I would think that the sugar water is more important than anything. It’s possible that maybe different species/hives in different environments need more or less than others. The scent of HBH is indeed an attractant, which could be good and bad. It will attract all types of insects, so it might be best used as an outside source and not within the hive if you have trouble with robbing...but could be very beneficial to a weak/sick hive or to prevent mold in the sugar water.
@FrederickDunn
@FrederickDunn 6 жыл бұрын
Thank you for sharing, have you had a "weak/sick" hive that was refreshed and improved by using the recommended HBH "Drench Formula"? Thanks, this is a very interesting area for observation and learning.
@sagenhoney
@sagenhoney 6 жыл бұрын
Frederick Dunn No, I can’t say that I have. Lost a bunch with the last drought though.
@sebbes333
@sebbes333 4 жыл бұрын
*@Frederick Dunn* Could you do this experiment, but with different kinds of sugar? Like, from refined White Sugar to Dark brown Muscovado sugar.
@FrederickDunn
@FrederickDunn 4 жыл бұрын
There are problems associated with bee sysentary and brown/natural or RAW sugar, so I don't recommend using anything but white processed cane sugar. So, I don't buy any other types.
@sebbes333
@sebbes333 4 жыл бұрын
@@FrederickDunn Ok, I didn't know that. Should I remove the comment before someone else gets a stupid idea to try it?
@shaunbarker9201
@shaunbarker9201 6 жыл бұрын
Your welcome ,Fred. To try and answer the question is tough. I'm still classed as a novice. That's how I see myself. To use the mix as a concentrate,diluting it down to a cup per gallon of pure 1:1 or 2:1 or half a cup for half a gallon. I feel it's a way to help protect the bees immune system. Pure honey is obviously the best but they need help against pests and fungal diseases. Winter green and tea tree oil in the mix will combat chalk brood and the nemesis of the lil girls,the dastardly varroa mite. You can correct me if I'm wrong Frederick,as I said this is our second season. Randy Oliver said it best at a seminar. Bees require 3 things to survive. 1.a warm dry home. 2 .a plentiful supply of pollen and nectar. 3. Help with pest and disease control(wasps,varroa etc etc).
@FrederickDunn
@FrederickDunn 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks Shaun, let the learning continue. Randy is coming to speak to the PA Beekeepers Assn this year, he's plain spoken and a lot of fun, he commented that he has a name for hobby beekeepers "varroa farmers" he's a healthy skeptic regarding bee nutrition supplements.
@smittycity42
@smittycity42 4 жыл бұрын
If both solutions started out as 50 / 50 sugar water, and you then added the supplement, the 'fortified' sugar water would be slightly more diluted. Is it possible that they can detect that slight variation in sweetness?
@FrederickDunn
@FrederickDunn 4 жыл бұрын
That is certainly possible. But the sweetness isn't altered, the teaspoon of essential oils I would consider a dilutant. Same sugar content in both.
@radiorebel8223
@radiorebel8223 4 жыл бұрын
Frederick Dunn still, I think there should be a retest done where you add a tsp of plain water to the syrup after making up the syrup on one and the essential oils in another. That slight difference could totally mess with your total data. Another test would be to also add the 2 tsp amounts (provided on the bottle) as well to test if the bees have more trouble with this dilution.
@Gord1812
@Gord1812 4 жыл бұрын
Do you add anything to your syrup? Cider vinegar or the like?
@FrederickDunn
@FrederickDunn 4 жыл бұрын
Pur (filter name) filtered water and just cane sugar. It's what the bees have shown they prefer and use most. Cider Vinegar would cause the bees to avoid the syrup. Apple Cider vinegar is what I add to wasp traps in order to discourage honey bees.
@herbertjacobs8422
@herbertjacobs8422 6 жыл бұрын
Where did you get the feeders?
@FrederickDunn
@FrederickDunn 6 жыл бұрын
The link is in the video description :)
@radheshyama1135
@radheshyama1135 3 жыл бұрын
Is “Morena Pure Cane Sugar” OK to feed bees? Also, is “White Satin Powdered Amalgamated Sugar” made from beets OK to feed bees?
@FrederickDunn
@FrederickDunn 3 жыл бұрын
Processed cane sugar is fine for making sugar syrup for the honey bees. Many beekeepers don't like the beet sourced sugar, but no detrimental issues have been noted. But if you want to go with the least controversial, pure cane sugar.
@shaunbarker9201
@shaunbarker9201 6 жыл бұрын
Hi Frederick. Ok we live in the uk and our climate is a lot different to that of various states north versus south per say. We use not honey bee healthy, but a variant of it. It's a recipe from the fat bee man that's been tweaked by little bits honey joe may. The bees go crazy for it. The recipe is on one of his videos he shows exactly how to make and the items required i.e. A glass food blender. Yes the mix contains In small measured quantities listed. Granulated sugar Water Essential oils. Lemon grass Spearmint or peppermint Wintergreen Tea tree oil That's basically it. Once mixed to the required concentrate add half a cup 1/2 gallon of 1:1 or 2:1 syrup. I feel and maybe I'm alone on this. Honey bee healthy is an expensive product that not all bees like. I'm sorry if anyone feels different that's my feelings. The mix is fantastic and costs hardly anything to make.the wintergreen adds an aroma inside the hive which helps combat against varroa. The tea tree oil helps fight against fungal diseases. Please try the mix you will be surprised on the wonderful results. Little bits honey joe may. If we can as bee keepers worldwide help an extra % of hives to over winter that's all for the benefit of the lil girls( sorry bees ). Thanks for the great videos
@FrederickDunn
@FrederickDunn 6 жыл бұрын
Thank you for sharing all of this information. Don is a funny guy and he definitely likes to do things his way : ) I guess the question we have to ask is why do we think we need to create these mixes in the first place? Is there a measurable improvement, or do we just "think" it must be helping the bees? I'm wide open on this subject and will be happy to learn from several sources. I appreciate that you shared in such great detail!
@wadebarnes6720
@wadebarnes6720 4 жыл бұрын
New a little bit different now bubba using it for smoke
@janettenichols9141
@janettenichols9141 2 жыл бұрын
What is the difference between Honey B healthy and Hive Alive
@FrederickDunn
@FrederickDunn 2 жыл бұрын
Hive alive is proven to provide nutrition and is composed with sea weed among other things. I think it's strongest ingredient is Thymol, oil from Thyme plants. Studies have shown that Hive alive improves honey bee health while that has not been the case with Honey-B-Healthy unless they alter their formula.
@jazzlejac
@jazzlejac 6 жыл бұрын
Hi. The ratio is 2:1... so for every quart of water, do I need 2 quarts of sugar? Is it correct?
@FrederickDunn
@FrederickDunn 6 жыл бұрын
Yes, but remember that's a winter heavy syrup. Spring and summer boosts are 50/50... by volume
@jazzlejac
@jazzlejac 6 жыл бұрын
Frederick Dunn thank u so much
@FrederickDunn
@FrederickDunn 6 жыл бұрын
Anytime!
@RaySarasin
@RaySarasin 4 жыл бұрын
I add natural pollon to the sugar water ideas on this topic???
@FrederickDunn
@FrederickDunn 4 жыл бұрын
I would keep the pollen and sugar water separate. Let them use each as they need, combining the two takes that choice away and nectar mixed with pollen is a problem in the nectar supers.
@RaySarasin
@RaySarasin 4 жыл бұрын
@@FrederickDunn Global news the head guy here bee wise has predicted a 80% hive loss this winter because of all the rain here this summer. He said honey production in this providence is down 50% this year. Lucky for me as I been feeding both since day one of the hives
@RaySarasin
@RaySarasin 4 жыл бұрын
The failure of the honey crop as well as loss of income from weakened colonies and loss of income from reduced pollination contracts have resulted in many of Alberta’s beekeepers struggling and, in some cases, failing to sustain their beekeeping businesses,” the letter reads in part. There are about 180 commercial beekeepers and about 1,200 hobby beekeepers in Alberta, according to the Alberta Beekeepers Commission. It claims that is the largest number of bee farmers in any Canadian province.
@FrederickDunn
@FrederickDunn 4 жыл бұрын
@@RaySarasin I hope your bees come through fine Ray :)
@darkwater5653
@darkwater5653 3 жыл бұрын
It's like giving candy to your kids. You hate to do it but at the same time. supper is two hours away bc you decided on baked potatoes
@FrederickDunn
@FrederickDunn 3 жыл бұрын
I hope you're not missing the point of the evaluation. The essential oils have not proven to have any nutritional value to the bees. So, the reason for the demonstration was to see how they work as appetite "stimulants". Since they don't stimulate the bees to take in more syrup than plain sugar syrup alone, they also don't work as stimulants. What they are good for is preserving your sugar syrup so it doesn't spoil. So it's not about forcing kids to eat veggies... the only essential oil offering proven to have hive health benefits has been HiveAlive and it has Thymol in it.
@darkwater5653
@darkwater5653 3 жыл бұрын
Mr dunn in NO way am i missing the point. Feeding sugar syrup at all is a last resort not my go to. We have had so much rain that im glad we didnt pull more honey. Today was the 1st day it did not rain in a month. My bee theology goes back to buckfast abby. Survivor stock. Dont prop bees up. Never will.
@TheLogisticos
@TheLogisticos 6 жыл бұрын
Why can't Honey b pro post these same kinds of open tests maybe they know the results
@FrederickDunn
@FrederickDunn 6 жыл бұрын
Good question
@George-nx5lo
@George-nx5lo 5 жыл бұрын
You already know the answer it would bankrupt them
@chipfriday8166
@chipfriday8166 5 жыл бұрын
1 to 1 plane sugar water taken at same rate as 2 to 1 sugar water - more or less (bottles #1 and #3). Honey B Healthy was slowly taken taken while there was plane sugar water to drink. While it is not marked, I am guessing that the H B H.was at the same concentration in #2 and #4. Again not marked but I am guessing that #2 and #4 also had sugar mixed in as well but I did not see or hear you say if it was 1 to1 in both #2 and #4 or if it was like bottles #1 band #3. Otherwise good experiment. Good point about about the pungent sent of these oils. Maybe this is the reason that they were taken back last. The "older bees" were more numerous and wiser about drinking it up and there were a "few younger beers" who didn't realize the potential danger that they were putting the hive in to thus the slow response.
@FrederickDunn
@FrederickDunn 5 жыл бұрын
Hi Chip, The details of the test are in the video description. Thanks.
@kiko7247
@kiko7247 3 жыл бұрын
Very interesting video, so I can just feed water and sugar, apparently. I am seeking for help please. I found a bee outside, it was frozen to death (or at least I thought so, it wasn't moving). I took it home and just left it in the kitchen. After two days.. she was alive! A few hours ago she came back to life (not flying, just staying up and slowly moving), I am so happy, but what do I do now? I fed it with water and cane sugar. Where do I find purified water? Will water and sugar be enough for the bee? Do I have to add nectar proteins etc? Is it better to make a tiny "house" so the bee can stay warmer? How about light and darkness? How can I make a feeder? I am sorry I have so many questions and I don't know what to do. Thank you in advance to any of you who will help.
@FrederickDunn
@FrederickDunn 3 жыл бұрын
If it's a honey bee, it's not going to make it. They cannot survive alone.
@kiko7247
@kiko7247 3 жыл бұрын
@@FrederickDunn yes it's a honeybee, I really wish I could find her hive.. she is still alive today, more energetic than yesterday.. anyway, thank you for your reply!
@quevoy6611
@quevoy6611 4 жыл бұрын
The Honey Bee Healthy product is for helping the bees deal with the mites and other pest they're exposed to. The lemon grass is a kind of desinfectant and deoderant. Since it's natural plant it's not toxic.
@0xFF48
@0xFF48 3 жыл бұрын
Ricin is an extract from castor beans, and as poison has no cure. Nicotine is also plant natural. Plenty of plant compounds are toxic.
@FrederickDunn
@FrederickDunn 9 ай бұрын
Honey B Healthy has not demonstrated to have any impact on varroa mites to date.
@MacReflections
@MacReflections 3 жыл бұрын
At the end of this two year old video, you said you probably wouldn't use Honey B Healthy, but we know that you obviously do. What made you change your mind and continue using?
@FrederickDunn
@FrederickDunn 3 жыл бұрын
I wouldn't' use it as a feeding component, but do use it instead of smoke :)
@MacReflections
@MacReflections 3 жыл бұрын
@@FrederickDunn Oh! I understand. Thanks! I completely ignored that fact that it's marked as a feeding aid.
@r.r.s4812
@r.r.s4812 5 жыл бұрын
Would have been interesting to see if they would go for honey or sugar syrup. Probably honey
@FrederickDunn
@FrederickDunn 5 жыл бұрын
Between Honey and sugar syrup, they would definitely be drawn to the honey, but you'd also have hundreds of dead bees. Open feeding with honey is like walking into a sticky trap for the bees. Honey left in comb and fed to bees is fine, but when it's an open surface, it's a death trap.
@historyhunter5215
@historyhunter5215 6 жыл бұрын
I found the voice over for Tina off Bobs Burgers😂
@FrederickDunn
@FrederickDunn 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks for that compliment! The voice actor for Tina is Dan Mintz and he's super talented :)
@patogden856
@patogden856 4 жыл бұрын
Hi Frederick , just learning , but why would you not feed them some of their own honey back ??? Wouldn't that be the most healthy option to help their immune system ?? Cheers Pat nz
@FrederickDunn
@FrederickDunn 4 жыл бұрын
Their honey is already stored in their hive. The reason I made this video was to answer questions regarding what the bees prefered, since these additives are sold as "stimulants".
@baddestbees5924
@baddestbees5924 5 жыл бұрын
cut the 2 tsp per quart down to ONLY 2 small drops they'll hammer it.The manufacturer recommended dose is WAY Too High and my bees won't touch it,cut it back to drop or two they love it.Actually what I do is put about eighth teaspoon in jar of water an pour shot of that in my quart jar of syrup and they take it better than straight syrup...
@FrederickDunn
@FrederickDunn 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing your method. My purpose was to test and compare based on what the manufacturers recommend. I needed to test their formula as directed. They claim that lower doses do not provide a positive benefit to the bees.
@cluelessbeekeeping1322
@cluelessbeekeeping1322 6 жыл бұрын
I read of this guy who added anise to his syrup and then they went absolutely insane, it was like crack to them. ...if you want to try another experiment.
@FrederickDunn
@FrederickDunn 6 жыл бұрын
Hyssop flowers are a great mid-summer nectar source for the bees and they make some very good honey with it. I think I'll just let the bees get it on their own :) thanks for commenting!
@cluelessbeekeeping1322
@cluelessbeekeeping1322 6 жыл бұрын
In Austin we can get some horribly tough summer dearths! Glad to hear you get a nice flow now, flower food is always better!
@donaldmcronald8989
@donaldmcronald8989 4 жыл бұрын
The sugar is more rewarding cognitively (pleasure) but not nutritionally (longevity)?
@FrederickDunn
@FrederickDunn 4 жыл бұрын
Sugar is energy... nutrition is from pollen sources primarily. Sugar syrup is just a place-holder, should not be used to replace nectar.
@TheMastertbc
@TheMastertbc 3 жыл бұрын
They will obviously drink the thing with the highest sugar concentration
@FrederickDunn
@FrederickDunn 9 ай бұрын
Ok, as part of the control, the same water and the same sugar content was used. This leaves the additives as the only variables. They prefer the sugar syrup that has no essential oils.
@markvachon1152
@markvachon1152 6 жыл бұрын
Great experiment - it’s clear they prefer regular sugar water - any data as to whether they were better off with additives? Analogy - if I prefer ice cream to vegetables is that evidence to have more ice cream?
@FrederickDunn
@FrederickDunn 6 жыл бұрын
Hi Mark, I'm on a continuing quest to find a lab or University study that has produced data on the favorable aspects of essential oils on honey bees. To date, there is no evidence that the bees benefit that has come from a lab or verifiable scientific study. So, we wait. OR, there may have been studies that showed no benefit and therefore they are not cited by the sellers. Honey B Healthy and Pro-Health producers were both no able to provide information beyond "we think it's good for them".
@FrederickDunn
@FrederickDunn 6 жыл бұрын
Also keep in mind that both samples have the same amount and type of sugar added, the only difference is the Honey B Healthy or not. As it's a feed "stimulant" the Honey B Healthy should the the "ice cream" in your analogy :)
@markvachon1152
@markvachon1152 6 жыл бұрын
Great points - thanks, you would think the manufacturer would have some data - I think I’ll stay with sugar water until I see data
@beebob1279
@beebob1279 5 жыл бұрын
I've used honeybee healthy only because it was given to me. It worked only because it was the only game in town for the bees. I wasn't impressed. There wasn't anything in the way of improvement. It's just another money maker for a supplement that's a waste of time. I'll stick with my sugar syrup.
@FrederickDunn
@FrederickDunn 5 жыл бұрын
Hi Bee Bob, To date, I still haven't been able to find a single scientific study that demonstrated a health benefit for the bees from any essential oil compound. I have to agree with you that as of now, sugar water is just as good and you don't have to worry about it getting into your honey.
@____2080_____
@____2080_____ 3 жыл бұрын
Hmmm 🤔 looks like humans eating crispy creme.
@stewardnoholia7249
@stewardnoholia7249 5 ай бұрын
Sugar water & honey bee healthy , wanted to know more
@FrederickDunn
@FrederickDunn 5 ай бұрын
What more would you like to know? The bees exponentially show a preference for sugar syrup with no additives. The water and sugar content was the same for each feeder. The only variable was the essential oil added. I'm not clear about what you'd like to know, but I'm happy to explain more if you still have a question.
@stewardnoholia7249
@stewardnoholia7249 5 ай бұрын
@@FrederickDunn how to use it and where to use it
@stewardnoholia7249
@stewardnoholia7249 5 ай бұрын
I also wanted to start flow hive in the Solomon Islands ion a small atol called Sikaiana atol
@stewardnoholia7249
@stewardnoholia7249 5 ай бұрын
The total cost a flow is how much wanted to know
@dennis-d.j.haverkamp985
@dennis-d.j.haverkamp985 6 жыл бұрын
It seems like your test is only testing what the bees prefer as a syrup. It doesn't really test whether there is any benefit or harm to the hive from the essential oils. Most medicines don't 'taste' that great that I would prefer them, but they still provide a benefit. I think maybe you're conclusions for testing your hypothesis may require additional observations and measurements.
@FrederickDunn
@FrederickDunn 6 жыл бұрын
Hi Dennis, there is no scientific evidence that the essential oils provide a health benefit. Because it's sold as a "feed stimulant" it's important to know if it does encourage feeding over just sugar water alone. Thanks for commenting.
@dennis-d.j.haverkamp985
@dennis-d.j.haverkamp985 6 жыл бұрын
The question of whether essential oils provide a health benefit is one I am exploring. The only study I can find regarding this topic is the West Virginia study from the developers of Honey B Healthy. They probably had a bias. projects.sare.org/project-reports/lne98-105/ Are you familiar with any other research that has been on this topic?
@FrederickDunn
@FrederickDunn 6 жыл бұрын
There are no university studies, no science to back it up. When I bring it up, I just get the "look" from biochemists as if to say "are you serious Fred?" All of the reports of benefits (so far) are anecdotal only and essential oils as they apply to bees is, at this point, really just a feel-good thing to do. The entomologists, biochemists (My Stepfather is a Dr of Biochemistry), and insect nutrition study specialists dismiss this outright. I will keep my eyes open and I'm always willing to learn from viable sources.
@janettenichols9141
@janettenichols9141 2 жыл бұрын
What is the difference between Honey Bee Healthy and Hive Alive?
@FrederickDunn
@FrederickDunn 10 ай бұрын
Hive alive is proven to work against some pathogens. Honey B Healthy is good at extending syrup and keeping it from spoiling, but no evidence of honey bee health improvements so far. HA is proven to reduce nosema.
@tonysicily2687
@tonysicily2687 2 жыл бұрын
Wow, a great up.iPad, thank you
@NoAnonima
@NoAnonima 3 жыл бұрын
👀
@FrederickDunn
@FrederickDunn 9 ай бұрын
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@sergepajcin1255
@sergepajcin1255 5 жыл бұрын
Experience beekeeper will never use this crap but will make own queens and use oxalic acid every year once October or no ember
@FrederickDunn
@FrederickDunn 5 жыл бұрын
I don't know about making new queens every year, but there currently is no science supporting essential oils for honeybee health. Some people swear it works, but can't provide proof.
@George-nx5lo
@George-nx5lo 5 жыл бұрын
@@FrederickDunn Absolutely making new queens every year. If you are properly slitting hives you should relocate the current queen with swarm like nature designed. Hard to take a great queen out with the split but its the way it should be done. Unless your hives don't grow in an entire year then you are making new queens every year. Regardless if you relocate the queen your bees will swam every year so I dk how a bee keeper could not make new queens every year. Unless you just let your bees swarm instead of at least selling them
@netta2158
@netta2158 6 жыл бұрын
A whole lot of RED FLAGS went up for me when I saw the warning label ingredients itself beginning at 6:04 - 6:22: "KEEP OUT OF REACH OF CHILDREN. KEEP TIGHTLY SEALED. This is a concentrate and not for human consumption. If accidentally ingested seek medical help. User assumes full liability of use." If it's not safe for human consumption and the bees are being made to ingest this stuff which is then added to the hives, what will it do to not only the honey they supply to us but to their own little digestive systems and all the new bee larva in which they feed? What will eventually become of the original honey bee colony or other flying insects which might also ingest this Honey B Healthy stuff. I'm not a bee keeper, but I am a consumer who loves honey and GOD's order of nature. This concerns me greatly. Please don't feed this to your precious bees any more. GOD bless and keep you. Shalom and Agape. (^8
@FrederickDunn
@FrederickDunn 6 жыл бұрын
The reason they post that label, being that all the ingredients are not by themselves harmful in theory, if they allow or suggest that it's safe for human consumption, then it's in a different marketing category. They also say not to have honey supers on which will be harvested when using this additive. If you have any essential oils, I do, they are all very concentrated and have child proof caps on them no matter if it's lavender or something else such as sage. You don't want to be drinking anything in its concentrated form. I posted their website link and you will also notice the phone number on the bottle, you could contact them directly to have your health risk concerns satisfied? Thanks for watching and commenting.
@TheOregonOutlaw
@TheOregonOutlaw 6 жыл бұрын
No Way would I be adding anything with Lemongrass Oil - especially so late in the year! Yikes!
@SpiritBear12
@SpiritBear12 6 жыл бұрын
Why? What is your reason?
@FrederickDunn
@FrederickDunn 6 жыл бұрын
What exactly are your concerns regarding lemon grass oil? It's often used as a swarm lure, but other than that, I can't think of a detrimental aspect? Fill us in please.
@sandrocamargo698
@sandrocamargo698 6 жыл бұрын
I'm sure the TheOregonOutlaw is talking about the high possibility to attract robbers, nice video by the way, thanks!
@TheOregonOutlaw
@TheOregonOutlaw 6 жыл бұрын
While sadly I have no video of the results, my experimentation indicates even trace levels of lemon grass are highly attractive primarily to roving or searching bees, but also to yellow jackets and hornets. While robbing can be controlled to some degree, introduction of a product which possibly induces such a situation might be better used during other times of year. Just for background, I've over 200 known hives within a mile of my location, with 40 of them less than 500 yards away.
@FrederickDunn
@FrederickDunn 6 жыл бұрын
TheOregonOutlaw in your situation with such a high apiary density, you definitely need to be careful about open feeding and of course, attracting robbers to your hives. Have you shared your information with the makers of Honey B Healthy? I think they would be very interested in your findings and they actually encourage fall feeding with HBH... so they definitely need to know about your experiences. Thanks for sharing!
@shaunbarker9201
@shaunbarker9201 6 жыл бұрын
The mix works 100% compared to that overpriced overrated honey bee healthy. You might guess I'm not a fan of it. Anyone you hasn't seen little bits honey you tube channel please look. His version is better than any honey bee healthy product or variant of the product. Joe may is his name .
@FrederickDunn
@FrederickDunn 4 ай бұрын
Hands down, the honey bees go for sugar syrup with nothing in it but water and sugar. Additives don't encourage more consumption. This still holds true.
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