Also worth noting: Do NOT lie to the police. Refusing to answer a question is fine, and protected by the Charter in almost every circumstance (call a lawyer). But lying to the police is an offence (obstructing a peace officer), and will ruin your day.
@skalvenner3 жыл бұрын
Solid advice, thank you!
@rollthedice543 жыл бұрын
The first words out my mouth when asked a question from a police officer is, "Am I being detained"?
@rollthedice543 жыл бұрын
@TrueAnarchy You're god damn Right!
@skalvenner3 жыл бұрын
@TrueAnarchy the prick pierre elliot turdeau took that right 40 years ago
@RunkleOfTheBailey3 жыл бұрын
Lying about anything to police is a bad idea. They can often hit you with criminal charges for it--regardless about whether it's about a gun--and even if not, lying to the officer will make your situation worse.
@acanuck4life3 жыл бұрын
Officers incapable of telling the difference between a snap cap and a live cartridge shouldn't be carrying a firearm.
@AHarley183 жыл бұрын
@@douganderson7002 it is part of the Canadian restricted fire arms safety course to handle load and unload all types of actions including revolvers and semi automatics, as is identifying inert and live ammunition
@mouthbreather2803 жыл бұрын
andrew harley true, and it’s worth noting they receive the equivalent of the CFSC AND CRFSC at depot or whatever police academy although they are not granted a license. It’s just a part of the firearms familiarization and safety training component.
@user-uo7wg5br8n3 жыл бұрын
Right on.
@user-uo7wg5br8n3 жыл бұрын
@@TheWolfsnack Doesn't surprise me.
@user-uo7wg5br8n3 жыл бұрын
@@AHarley18 Unfortunately, law enforcement officers don't require either the safety course or a PAL/RPAL to carry a service firearm. How ironic that they should be in charge of enforcing gun safety regulations.
@ChiCan763 жыл бұрын
My RPAL course was taught by a retired Police officer. He was adamant that we should never tell an officer that we are transporting firearms (in the context you describe). His reasoning was that most officers have very little or cursory at best, knowledge of the firearms regulations pertaining to their transport.
@daveycrockett403 жыл бұрын
I had a situation when I was 18 where I was walking home from the range with 1) a rifle in a cloth back with the bolt removed and 2) a registered revolver, with a trigger lock in a locked case with the paperwork and the case inside a gym bag. The police drove by, pulled a U-turn and nearly hit me when pulling to the shoulder. She demanded what I was doing with a "shotgun" on HER streets. I explained what I had and why and that it was perfectly legal. She demanded my FAC (current at the time). She asked what was in the bag. When I explained, she demanded to see it, I refused as I was outside both the range and my residence. "Put it on the back seat and open it up." I kept refusing for the reasons stated above and that I could lose my permit and firearm. I offered to open it for her IF she transported me to either the range or home. She jumped on the radio with her supervisor and after a brief exchange, she broke contact and sent me on my way with a warning that she better not see me on HER streets with a SHOTGUN again! Sorry, lady, I was within the law. I may have still been a teenager and she would have been pushing 40 or older, but I knew my firearms law better than she did and used that to my advantage in the situation.
@codyhatch4607 Жыл бұрын
@@Marlboro65 And you were 18 ?
@kirstinmorrell3 жыл бұрын
Ian Runkle is a great Canadian. We at our heart should be a country of principles and morals, and he is a great defender of those principles.
@milballs2 жыл бұрын
Well said 👌, wish the algorithm had suggested him sooner, it was exactly what I'd been searching around youtube, for over a year
@Arclite023 жыл бұрын
In short: The police are NOT your friends. Don't trust them. Don't assist them. They're out to get you. But at the same time, don't OBSTRUCT them.
@wilfdarr3 жыл бұрын
I have some very close friends who are police, but even they tell me police are not my friends. Having friends who aren't your friends is all very confusing 😁
@lelandlewis72073 жыл бұрын
I look at it that they aren't out to get me, they are out to find breaches of the law, no matter who it is. It isn't personal, it is their job. Off the clock, many cops overlook minor infractions, like a bottle of 'shine at a party, or a Cuban cigar, but, not a major issue like coke or an illegal firearm. They are people, and just like all of us, they have a job to do; unfortunately, that job is catching us doing something wrong and they have to assume everyone is lying, since most do, which is why they try to trip you up with conversation.
@wilfdarr3 жыл бұрын
@@lelandlewis7207 You know, the difference is good cops look to make the community better, and often a verbal warning or a flash of the red and blues ("if I was a dick you'd be getting a ticket right now"... I got red and blued on a section of highway where I thought it was safe to speed and I haven't sped there since, no ticket required!) is enough to accomplish the goal, but some (and this certainly isn't the majority, just enough to blemish the reputation) get off on catching you with your pants down. I have no problem with tickets or charges being given if that's what it takes to change the culture of a community, but usually, relationship building is far more effective.
@freelanserns1873 жыл бұрын
In other words make police your friends because they are more likely to say that I gave you that advice so I'm fine with that
@lelandlewis72073 жыл бұрын
@Willy yes, they were illegal under the original sanctions during the Cold War under the "Trading With the Enemy Act". President Obama eased restrictions working toward renewed relations, but Trump tightened restrictions in 2020, including Cuban alcohol and tobacco for personal use.
@allanj45763 жыл бұрын
Never ever volunteer information to a cop, it will only ever be used to negatively affect your life.
@LenfredDueck3 жыл бұрын
I went through a DUI check stop with my shotgun in the backseat (unloaded with the action open). The cops freaked out and grabbed it it without asking me. The cop went on and on about how it was illegal to have a firearm in my vehicle in town and that I needed to have it locked etc. I just said that as long as it was unloaded and I was present in the vehicle I didn't need to lock it. He then said "good thing we are doing a DUI checkpoint and don't have time to charge you with this. " The thing is that if I was actually breaking the law he would have charged me because firearm charges are considered to be very serious.
@jorgeestrella57213 жыл бұрын
DUI inspections are the sole purpose for DUI's only ....if they do other than that you should file a complaint ! a police officer said that even if you had no seatbelt they can not ticket you for a seatbelt infraction ...this is right out of the mouth of a recently retired officer !
@milballs2 жыл бұрын
Lol way to potentially take one for the team, we need all the precedent we can get. Jokes aside though that could've been very expensive, at least throw a blanket on it jesus 🤣
@marcleblanc62932 жыл бұрын
Same rule here, as long as it is in your possession, unloaded you do not require it to be encased.
@orlandomorgado52 жыл бұрын
@@DLN-ix6vf don’t be pretentious. The transportation law for non restricted is clear. As long as you’re in the vehicle the only thing you have to do is to have the gun unloaded. Nothing more nothing else.
@orlandomorgado52 жыл бұрын
@@DLN-ix6vf well I’m following the law by the dot on this mindset. If you wanna go ahead and add more steps for transporting your firearms you can do that, just don’t go out calling people names because of your own decisions.
@ironDsteele3 жыл бұрын
Punchline of the year "Preserve your rights". If I've seen anything this year it's that in Canada you have the right to do what you're told.
@darrensaltiel4403 жыл бұрын
Unless you're a liberal party member
@rodmacrae36114 ай бұрын
@@darrensaltiel440 whaaat! Theyre licking boots like its going out of style. Tneyre all,the same red tory and their orange pals plus blue tory
@alexgolovchenko37913 жыл бұрын
My Dad was a retired Police Supervisor. He always told me to keep my mouth shut, but be respectful.
@rixretros3 жыл бұрын
"Anything that is coming out of your mouth is worsening your situation." and "If your mouth is moving, your situation is getting worse." Words to remember and live by. Thank you for that, Mr. Runkle.
@ryszardbyczyk69382 ай бұрын
100%
@andrewbrown652211 ай бұрын
The one that gets me is "do you have any weapons on you" when its hunting season. No officer, just my hunting tools. Makes me cringe at the whole system.
@dgretener3 жыл бұрын
Geez, remember when we used to hang our guns in the back window of the pickup truck. That would pretty much bring down a swat team these days.
@seap95703 жыл бұрын
I remember that as a kid back in the 70's when was that banned?
@wilfdarr3 жыл бұрын
@@seap9570 It wasn't. Police asked that we not do it because it scares people...Also, somehow the onus got shifted onto victims, that when we get robbed it's because we "advertised them" in the back of our vehicle, or "didn't lock our doors": it's a little like the "showed too much skin so she got raped" argument, instead of blame being placed squarely at the feet of the poor disenfranchised criminal who didn't get enough of mommy's love. Sorry for the rant, but yes so long as it's a non-restricted it's completely legal, but you can count on getting asked repeatedly not to do it.
@alopandur3 жыл бұрын
@@wilfdarr So true, in theory if your shotgun or riffle is unloaded, you would even be legal to put it over your shoulder and walk the street... Good luck trying to exercise this legal right... 😀😀😀
@mikpopiel4733 жыл бұрын
Wilfred Darr from the “Act”... “(2) Subject to subsection (3), an individual may transport a non-restricted firearm in an unattended vehicle only if (a) when the vehicle is equipped with a trunk or similar compartment that can be securely locked, the non-restricted firearm is in that trunk or compartment and the trunk or compartment is securely locked; and (b) when the vehicle is not equipped with a trunk or similar compartment that can be securely locked, the non-restricted firearm is not visible from outside the vehicle and the vehicle, or the part that contains the non-restricted firearm, is securely locked.”
@alopandur3 жыл бұрын
@@mikpopiel473 That's the beauty of nonsense in our laws: "transport a non-restricted firearm in an unattended vehicle" If one uses the logic, those words contradict themselves... But hey, this is not that bad, there are even worse definitions in our laws!
@dennisskurnack17403 жыл бұрын
As an American living in a relatively gun-friendly state Oklahoma, what you describe as the law is very chilling. We may be facing similar laws nationwide sooner than many people believe. I have watched several of your firearms law videos, and it appears that Canadian gun laws are far more draconian than those of gun-hating states like New York, New Jersey or California
@CommieCrusher872 жыл бұрын
They are, don’t give them an inch, they’re coming for all firearms.
@marcleblanc62932 жыл бұрын
The government here has conned Canadians into believing owning a firearm is a privledge not a right. When did this happen there were virtually no gun laws until the late 1800s early 1900s. All these laws are constructs of government many passed without the approval of the citizens. Trudeau has been passing laws, bans and penalties even jail time all passed on zero evidence, zero proof it was required and circumvented our democratic process by using a OIC. Our present liberal government is one of the most corrupt governments we have ever seen, so unless the officer has a document , search warrent, the answer is NO. If he chooses to ignore our rights and forcibly takes our guns then time to sue.
@user-is3dy7rp2e Жыл бұрын
@@CommieCrusher87 yup and the liberal politician will have everyone believe it’s legal gun owners fault that crime exists. Trudeau banned handguns and wants to bang on doors collecting them. Liberals would give up every freedom to be protected themselves from thinking
@mapofthesoultagme714311 ай бұрын
at least I don't want canada to have the nightmare gun culture that the us has
@dennisskurnack174011 ай бұрын
Yes, please remain in Canada@@mapofthesoultagme7143
@rharding133 жыл бұрын
Probably should add that there's a big difference between not answering, and lying. Don't lie.
@RunkleOfTheBailey3 жыл бұрын
Very much this--hmm, if I missed that, I'll pin a comment.
@ozzymandius6663 жыл бұрын
@@RunkleOfTheBailey Now, if the cop breaks into my $400 case, and the search is found to be without merit, then I'm sure I have grounds to sue the officer for the price/value of the case, and punitive damages?
@RunkleOfTheBailey3 жыл бұрын
That'll depend on circumstances, but in most cases it's not worth it.
@ozzymandius6663 жыл бұрын
@@RunkleOfTheBailey That's a shame. That means the cop isn't really accountable if he decides to crowbar your truck open, and smash your heirloom oak veneer coated cedar and felt lined case. I guess a burlap sack and a zip-tie is the best thing. ;)
@blackflycanada49433 жыл бұрын
@@RunkleOfTheBailey I feel like a making a point to right a wrong doing, can be worth it on it's own.
@jbrn5203 жыл бұрын
I'd love for you to go over the legal implications of truck guns. Transportation vs storage of non restricted in vehicles. It's always been somthing of a grey area to my understanding.
@ladyluck52483 жыл бұрын
In my firearms training we were told to tell the cop he knows it’s illegal to open that case at the side of the road so if he wants to see what’s inside he has to follow you back to the gun range to open the case .....
@steamboatmodel3 жыл бұрын
That is what I was told too.
@wilfdarr3 жыл бұрын
@Me. Me They're assuming it's a restricted gun in the case, in which case it's illegal. If it's a non-restricted, then you are correct that it wouldn't be illegal to open the case. Thank you for pointing this discrepancy out because I was thinking about using this answer, but since I only have a PAL (not R-PAL), telling the officer that it's illegal to open the case would insinuate that I have restricted weapons with only a PAL, which would make for an...shall we say "interesting" conversation...
@SwordofRagnar3 жыл бұрын
@@wilfdarr Thats what I hear, do not open a legal case. The other thing the range officer said was if the police wants to see it, refuse on those grounds but offer to call the CFO's office to get their opinion on the matter.
@ladyluck52483 жыл бұрын
@@wilfdarr I have RPAL and my restricted is unloaded with a trigger lock in a locked case when I transport. Also when home it goes In the safe just the same .... I also carry my non restricted in a case the same as my restricted. Of a cop looks at that he’s going to have to bust through the case or cut the locks off which shows I haven’t given consent. It’s safer anyway to treat your non restricted as restricted when your transport, in my opinion.
@wilfdarr3 жыл бұрын
@@SwordofRagnar I suppose the standard answer of "I'm sorry but before I consent to anything, I'll have to consult with my LAWYER" would not be inappropriate here.
@joelmacdonald69943 жыл бұрын
Respectfully, sir, I decline to answer that question. Seems like a reasonable response to me.
@RunkleOfTheBailey3 жыл бұрын
Yep, an excellent answer.
@pistooli13 жыл бұрын
Sorry pal I can't hear you I'm deaf. works better.
@steamboatmodel3 жыл бұрын
@@pistooli1 Only if you are deaf and did not hear them.
@ladyluck52483 жыл бұрын
I think it triggers on your drivers license if you have a PAL
@steamboatmodel3 жыл бұрын
@@ladyluck5248 Yes it does also if it is a RPAL for restricted weapons'
@craigsmith4503 жыл бұрын
THANK YOU,finally some great canadian advice.As an outdoorsman we have firearms and knives, there is so many grey areas in our laws regarding above mentioned it is very confusing. I really want to thank you for having this channel it is so important that we can get this information in a well presented form that we can understand!!!!
@pudmina Жыл бұрын
Back in about 2000 I took the firearms PAL test with a friend and a police officer was there doing the same. In talking to him he stated that he hadn't studied as he was very familiar with the subject. We studied and practiced extensively. He barely passed ... my friend and I passed in the high 90's percentile.
@DavidLeslie653 жыл бұрын
KZfaq is loaded with advance about firearms and what is and isn't legal. Your videos are some of the very few that explain why you should do or say different things. I'm living in the constitutional carry state of Arizona and I do carry most of the time when away from home or driving. We don't have to inform officers we have firearms but I myself and others I know will inform officers we have weapons so it doesn't appear we are reaching for them when removing our license and I have never had an issue with it. I do appreciate your information about letting them break into the gun case and explaining the reason for it. I know gun control is different in Canada but many of your videos explain how small interpretations of laws can make or break you regardless of what side of the border your on.
@mmpiforall59133 жыл бұрын
Say, can the police in AZ know if you have a CCW permit when they run your car tag? BTW, love Scottsdale, Camelback Mountain! lol
@DavidLeslie653 жыл бұрын
@@mmpiforall5913 I know in the 90s oregon knew but I haven't had a need for ccw in Arizona. We can carry with out almost everywhere. But areas such as indian reservation laws are all over the place so as a rule I avoid reservation if I'm carrying.
@anthonymartinson22703 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the solid information. I definitely used to be the “I’m not doing anything wrong, so I’ll comply with anything.” If I happened to be in a situation like that. But I’ve changed my perspective now.
@mmcguire56873 жыл бұрын
I have on several occasions been asked this question. My response has always been; “why do you ask?”. And before they have a chance to answer, I take the conversation in a different direction. I have yet had a LEO follow through and look through my vehicle or check my firearms. I did not lie.
@waylor1 Жыл бұрын
Absolutely! The best response to a question we do not wish to answer is often: “Why do you want to know that?”.
@liamlapierre3293 жыл бұрын
Thank you so very much for empowering your viewers with valuable information. The legal system is such a difficult road to navigate!
@kylesande59863 жыл бұрын
This video is perfect. Legal knowledge and an adorable puppy that made me smile. I couldn't ask for more.
@farche23 жыл бұрын
funny, missed the puppy while I scrolled down to read the comments then I hear that goofy scratch scratch sound scroll back up and there's the dog
@kylesande59863 жыл бұрын
Puppy: two empty dishes!...the horror...the horror.
@NickWildeOutdoors3 ай бұрын
I once got pulled over doing 118kmh in a 90 on a highway in orillia ON, I had a bolt action rifle in the back seat. They cop pulled me over and asked for my registration and insurance and license. I gave my license and was having a hard time finding my registration. I told him I had a rifle in the back seat as it was in plain sight and a matter of time before he saw it on his own. He was really cool abt it and asked me where I was headed, and for my license, to which I explained I was headed home after an unsuccessful bear hunt. After checking my pal He asked what caliber it was because he was curious I said .30-06, he then asked if that was enough for black bear to which I responded “OH ya, plenty.” He said cool. He didn’t run my drivers license, nor my registration and he didn’t even look at my insurance, he let me go with no warning just said “try to slow down” in recap, some cops are cool, some are not, they more you are cool with them they more they are inclined to be cool with you. If I were you I’d keep your guns in the trunk so that in the event you get pulled over everything is out of sight.
@BrillPappin3 жыл бұрын
It occurs to me, that in the case of a restricted firearm, opening the case while in between the range and home, would immediately be a felony. So even if the cop was just curious, the moment you open the case, it's not longer being transported legally.
@jimwheels88023 жыл бұрын
Well said
@darrensaltiel4403 жыл бұрын
If they ever want to see a firearm I tell them just that here's my keys . You break the law officer ill be sure to tell the crown you did just that . 😉
@remystrach52125 ай бұрын
As a prospective gun owner, (pal in process) this channel has been a godsend for the unholy amount of logic puzzles involved with modern law😂
@skillest2313 жыл бұрын
I am really appreciating your videos on firearms related law in Canada. It is definitely helping me better understand our legal system, and how to navigate it even MORE carefully as a law abiding gun owner. God knows it's hard enough as it is.
@jamesjames31463 жыл бұрын
It's so good to see some Canadian advise on our complex gun laws that are easily interpreted to suit the situation. Knowledge is power. Thank you
@rollthedice543 жыл бұрын
"Am I being detained"? yes, then I respectfully request a lawyer Officer ________. No, thank you officer have a good day.
@apparentlynot1stLeonchubbs3 жыл бұрын
Definitely appreciate this popping up in my feed 👌 .. Because I sadly know more about American laws than I do Canadian ones 😬 knowledge is power 😎
@wilfdarr3 жыл бұрын
There's so much more info available to them. Mr Runkle is much needed in our country!
@MyMrdmitry3 жыл бұрын
Ouch. When I was studying teachers told us to provide as much as possible information to police when they stoped you. But I see that it was an absolutely wrong advise.
@FLVCTVAT_NEC_MERGITVR3 жыл бұрын
Maybe your course instructors were ex cops and thus unaware of how things have changed.
@kirstinmorrell3 жыл бұрын
It used to be that, so long as you weren't a bad guy or a member of a minority group, the police used common sense. Now they're just savage and angry and have to get arrests to get promoted, and even honest citizens making honest mistakes have their lives ruined.
@FLVCTVAT_NEC_MERGITVR3 жыл бұрын
@@kirstinmorrell sounds about right honestly.
@secretprotagonist62413 жыл бұрын
@@kirstinmorrell Not bad guy, but law enforcement and governments use the word "bad guy", "terrorism" as psychological warfare I assume.
@kirstinmorrell3 жыл бұрын
@@secretprotagonist6241 yeah, I was using that with a bit of irony. I agree with you about the boogeyman of terrorism and pigeonholing people as bad guys.
@walperstyle3 жыл бұрын
Ian, thank you very much for this information. Peaceful gun enthusiasts such as myself need to know how to navigate the grey area that has been thrown at us by our federal government. I like how you use examples as well. -James Walper, Libertarian Party of Canada
@murray_n3 жыл бұрын
Well said.
@jtmachete Жыл бұрын
Never, ever volunteer any information to a cop. They are NOT your friend
@ryszardbyczyk69382 ай бұрын
100%!
@GetUrPhil2 жыл бұрын
Really like that you are helping everyone out by releasing your videos. I believe that I might have heard you speak in person once before. I really appreciate the info and advice that you give. Thank You!!!
@cjkarlstafford8 ай бұрын
Was told to call before leaving with firearms in my vehicle but in Canada we are treated like criminals when you have PAL but yea never trust a cop never
@Jay-ln1co3 жыл бұрын
"Good day, sir." "I HAVE A GUN!"
@ironymatt3 жыл бұрын
@Pat Baringer it didn't work out for Philando Castile. Not volunteering information he was under no obligation to provide would have kept him from an early grave.
@alexthenandnow65653 жыл бұрын
@@ironymatt actually I beleave he had a CC and at an interaction with an officer while your carrying you are obligated at the begining of the interaction to notify the officer of that, my recolection is that he did, but then did not follow instructions of thhe officer and thats what got him shot. without going back on all the articles I think that is what happened there..little different south of the border.
@ironymatt3 жыл бұрын
@@alexthenandnow6565 ah, I didn't realize that, it certainly changes things. From what I read he was complying, but when he informed the officer the officer reacted as if by informing him he was threatening him. According to the girlfriend Castillo was calm and neutral in his statements but the cop just lost it, and I think there was dashcam(cop) footage that essentially backed that up. When I heard about it I looked at a few different accounts and I didn't see anything that differed much, but there didn't seem to be anything else to explain the officer's actions.
@josephphelps5696 Жыл бұрын
Yup, rule number 1 , don’t lie, rule number 2, don’t be a smart ass!!! Rule number 3 , have your firearms locked , in a proper case, ammo hidden sum what, rifle cases covered up, blanket works great! & living in crime city of Canada, N. B. SK. The LEO’s always ask when stopped, Do you have any weapons on you or in your vehicle? Cuts through to the chase, makes the traffic stop much better& faster, ( & safer for both parties) then your on your way!!🤙
@ve3xtr3 жыл бұрын
Here's what makes me laugh about certain gun owners in Canada based on my experience. There is a certain type of gun owner out there that likes to cozy up to the police, parallel themselves with the police. In fact there is a Canadian youtuber that promotes such behavior. Gun owners are not cops and most cops don't give crap about guns during the course of their duties. Gun owners mind your own business.
@wilfdarr3 жыл бұрын
Canada is a different beast than the states, with a different culture. Cops get crap training (and they know it) so they don't typically (typically being the operative word of course: there's bad ones in every box) have the superiority complex. They really are equal members of our gun clubs. That's not to say you should trust them: when you're at a stop you don't know who you're getting and there are some real shit heads, so treat them all as suspect until you get to know them well. Ditto with the long range guys from the military side: they'll never share anything on the internet for opsec reasons, but once they know you they'll help you out in every way they can.
@valkry0073 жыл бұрын
all you say is "I do not talk to police unless in the presence of my lawyer"
@halkael23173 жыл бұрын
Officer - “do you have an guns in the vehicle?” Answer - “is that relevant to this stop, sir?”
@slothhikersofalberta70563 жыл бұрын
Answer - "I'm not answering any questions today sir"
@halkael23173 жыл бұрын
@@slothhikersofalberta7056 To each their own… but I prefer the less arrogant approach! It tends to work for me
@slothhikersofalberta70563 жыл бұрын
The less you say, the better. Anything you say can and will be held against you.
@halkael23173 жыл бұрын
@@slothhikersofalberta7056 yes, but that doesn’t mean to be silent or rude to them. It is possible to speak and not answer questions ( I learned that from my ex who can talk all day long and not say a damn thing 🤣) If you start off with “ i’m sorry but I don’t answer questions” and then clam up or keep repeating that statement then you come across as an arrogant prick. But if you’re civil, most likely the cop will be too! I know some cops are just pricks. I’m not the type to assume all cops pricks just because of a few… just like I don’t assume you’re an idiot just because I have encountered other idiots in the comments 🤣 Every situation is different.
@halkael23172 жыл бұрын
@@TheOverproof151 if you arent smart enough to know the difference between advice and opinion, Im guessing you have been told that mirror line before 🤣 thats ok… you’ll grow up soon, Princess 😢
@MoparNewport3 жыл бұрын
Excellent vid as always. Would you be able to offer a list of firearms lawyers available to Canadians, say by province/territory? I wager more will be needed especially with current political proceedings going on.
@RunkleOfTheBailey3 жыл бұрын
Not really able to offer a certified list--at least at this point--when I recommend someone for firearms files, I pretty much want to talk to them or review their work so that I know they know the subject matter. It's a complicated subject area with a lot of specialized law, and it's an easy area to get in trouble on if you get things wrong.
@rharding133 жыл бұрын
I only know a few names, from the 'net. Solomon Friedman, Jordana Goldlist, Pierre Plourde. And Mr. Runkle, of course.
@steamboatmodel3 жыл бұрын
If you are a member of a gun club they can probably recommend one. The Canadian Sports Shooting Association has a link to them cssa-cila.org/firearm-legal-defence-insurance/
@MrCanadiandad3 жыл бұрын
Great videos and advice Ian. I have just found your KZfaq channel this past week and greatly appreciate your content and advice. Thanks for the great work!!
@arnoldromppai53953 жыл бұрын
i am glad you said not including a fish and game officer, because that is a totally different story, they have the power to search any thing with out awarrant, your stopped by a fish and game officer and he she asks you to open the action of your fire arm/s, you best do so, or you can be charged, it is clearly stated in the hunting regs
@ryszardbyczyk69382 ай бұрын
I don't think there is any law that compels you to help or participate in a search of your property. If they want to search , I won't try to stop them or help them in any way.
@johndeere11743 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the information, its important that people know what their rights are. If you are stopped by the police late at night or on a holiday or weekend, and can't get your lawyer on the phone, what do you do then.
@williamblaney33163 жыл бұрын
Under the new driving laws though, they have GIVEN them the power to search on the grounds of impairment? Then they have access to your vehicle.
@Perry_Wolf3 жыл бұрын
Would they not have to prove you're impaired first, before implementing a search based on such?
@williamblaney33163 жыл бұрын
@@Perry_Wolf not in Canada now. They may request breath sample at any time. If you refuse you are charged.
@Perry_Wolf3 жыл бұрын
@@williamblaney3316 - Sorry, but refusing a breath sample is illegal and therefore _would_ be the "grounds of impairment" and give them the right to search/investigate the car. But what I'm implying is they'd have to request a breath sample before moving forward because they must prove you're impaired first by your either refusing to blow or blowing positive. If you blow clean, they have no grounds to search/investigate your vehicle/firearms from that point forward. If you refuse to blow or blow above the legal limit, well, you done f#%$ed up.
@EamonnSeoigh3 ай бұрын
Thanks, Ian. My guns would be in the trunk. My guns would be transported in the appropriate manner. They are not a concern to them or anyone else.
@IChokeYou3 жыл бұрын
If the issue doesn't come up, there's no reason to bring it up. If it does, coorperating to the extent the officer requests has resulted in the least pain in the ass, in my experience. I have never had a problem explaining to an officer what I was doing, why I was doing it, and why a reasonable person would do the same thing. Applying that principle to everything in advance has been far more important than nitpicking after the fact. Dorky nitpicking is best to do in advance, lock everything up as it should be. Decide why it is where it is before you put it there. Know your rights and behave as if you are exercising them legally. Every criminal charge starts with an officer deciding one is necessary. In every case you have the option to pre-empt that. If your actions are reasonable and the officer agrees, you will not be charged. Even if the letter of the law states you should be, both the common law and common sense dictate that no one breaks the law who acts as a reasonable person would in a given situation. Common sense, in the sense that all you need to do is convince the officer in question that your actions were reasonable. This has worked for me every time I've tried it, including the times I openly admitted committing criminal acts in a reasonable fashion. Once the case reaches the Crown it is subject to multiple layers of oversight. At the roadside with a single cop, it can still not have happened. Instead of telling people to shut up and call someone who can talk like you, you ought to tell them how to talk in the first place. That's how you stop charges before they start.
@MikeSmith-ng3rv3 жыл бұрын
Thanks a Trillion with a "T" for shedding light and the education/knowledge in this regard. Liked and subscribed.
@CFFFU3 жыл бұрын
With respect to restricted Firearms, my understanding was that it was it illegal to open a case at the roadside because you're then breaking a law and the officer can't ask you to break the law by asking you to open the case My instructor told us if the guy wants to open the case let him break it open but don't open it for him because then you could be charged technically if you do Only in Canada
@gotjuice71603 жыл бұрын
Correct.
@Snowdog0703 жыл бұрын
Unfortunately the defense of "officially induced error" is not available to you in the Criminal Code context but I'll let Runkle confirm.
@gordonloessl28223 жыл бұрын
Now you changed my whole thinking when going home from the gun range.
@JasonPrice13 жыл бұрын
As much as the rule on direct routes is annoying, it is for this reason that it is so important. Drive the speed limit, do ALL the traffic things correctly AND get the hell home and unload ALL firearms related items. (Ammo, mags, stripper clips, guns, etc...) After that, THEN go off and do errands. There is no need to open the door to unwanted opportunities.
@gordonloessl28223 жыл бұрын
That's I do. Not sure where you live, but living in the GTA with all these snowflake around you, I feel guilty just going to the range.
@katashi2223 жыл бұрын
@@JasonPrice1 a big 10-4 to that!!!
@hitman199713 жыл бұрын
@@JasonPrice1 no direct route rules with non restricted firearms. I carry my guns with no cases into the trunk of my car with loaded mags in the trunk and drive wherever the I like and then do the same when I get home and into the safe they go.
@marcleblanc62932 жыл бұрын
No you do not ever have to answer questions until they charge you with something. They can detain you and pepper you with questions say nothing other than until my lawyer is present. LICENCE, REGISTRATION AND PROOF OF INSURANCE AND A BREATHALYZER IF DEMANDED. That is all you are required to provide by law.
@ChrisRoadWarrior2 жыл бұрын
For Canada. As long as in your personal vehicle you carry a NR firearm, unloaded, ammo anywhere else around or on you, valid PAL, NR firearm not visible from outside, vehicle fully locked when unattended (that makes sense with or w/o a firearm inside!), do not have to worry about anything firearm-related issues! I live in Toronto (the largest Canadian city with most shootings and homicides each and every year!)) and carry daily my legally-owned Mossberg 590 Shockwave with #00 buckshot ammo exclusively for personal self-defense! CCFR's firearms legal defense insurance is a pretty safe investment too!
@JJ-ps9xe2 жыл бұрын
Nice sg my friend I have a Mosberg 500.
@robh45753 жыл бұрын
I'd love to see one of these videos done for interacting with a MNR officer.
@simongilchrist33295 күн бұрын
It’s surprising to me how many police officers aren’t well versed in the law. I understand they don’t need to attend law school but they should know certain things. I had an off duty cop tell me my pocket knife was prohibited because I could open it one-handed and that I was lucky he was off-duty. I had to show him on my phone that it wasn’t illegal. He just shrugged and said I was still lucky. Crazy.
@wuzthere2433 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much for doing your videos! They are always very informative and we really like watching them!
@daven953 Жыл бұрын
Thanks Ian. You do great work. This was good clarification. Love the pups.
@waylor1 Жыл бұрын
As Ian mentions, provincial regs are another matter. In New Brunswick, as an example, you’ve no choice when a CO asks to inspect firearms…in plain view. That being said, the CO has to first see firearms and you’re under no legal obligation to respond when asked whether there are arms in the conveyance. And, remember, the sight of gun case is not evidence of a firearm. It’s evidence only of a gun case. Where this gets interesting is if and when police officers are also named de facto COs. They then have the same authority afforded by s.11.1 Just remember, no LEO can demand to inspect what they cannot see. From the Act: • Powers as peace officers 11Every conservation officer in carrying out his duties under this Act and the regulations has and may exercise all the powers, authorities and immunities of a peace officer as defined in the Criminal Code, chapter C-34 of the Revised Statutes of Canada, 1970. 2004, c.12, s.9 • Power to inspect firearms and ammunition 11.1A conservation officer, for the purpose of ensuring compliance with this Act and the regulations, may inspect any firearm or ammunition in a person’s possession in a resort of wildlife. 2001, c.18, s.2; 2004, c.12, s.10
@flamedphoenix843 жыл бұрын
thank you for all the information. It is great to get these laws easier to understand. Thank you
@jamesharris1842 жыл бұрын
So well done. I'm the type to comply I have nothing to hide, but your arguments win the day.
@mattb65143 жыл бұрын
Thank you . Very important video while our gun laws are changing abruptly.
@rjstewart2 жыл бұрын
An OPP friend of mine told me that if you are wearing camo or they are hunting gear they then act under the Ontario hunting regulations and search your car anyway if they feel the need.
@lucadog97073 жыл бұрын
Jesus Christ he says hope your armed with info and then has a dogvideo mike drop... Subbed my man
@cryptowelder3 жыл бұрын
Good evening tonight I was directed to your channel and I must say this is awesome information. More people need to see your channel. I just watched this episode. You did mention that fish and wildlife have more athortie then RCMP. I and I am sure many more would like to see a short video on what more athortie do Fish and wildlife have and what we need to know. Thank you good sir
@mosheshecklebergstein49003 жыл бұрын
Seems like no matter the answer, it will cost you. Whether it be a lawyer, an additional ticket, or giving the full extent of what they're pulling you over for.
3 жыл бұрын
Excellent video and advice!!!!!!!!! :-) Being annoyed or offended is not a crime. Some would want it to be, but it is not!! You'd be surprised how many officers have no idea about the firearms laws. They hear gun, and many just want to arrest and charge you. There's no reason why an officer should need to be looking into your gun case if you are a legal firearm owner. Having nothing to hide is not a reason to give up your rights. I'd rather buy a new gun case then pay tens of thousands of dollars in legal fees. Gone is the time when many officers were also firearm enthusiasts. Today, many are anti-gun for anyone else. When you are transporting firearms. Have then properly secured and locked up if required, and have all you paperwork with you. But NEVER admit that you have firearms in the vehicle. Have them out of site so that no one will ever have reason to ask. That way you avoid the whole attempted conversation with the officer.
@EdAb3 жыл бұрын
Last year I was pulled over by an RCMP Constable for going 140 in a 100km/h zone. I was honestly, simply lost in conversation with my wife and was not deliberately speeding. When the constable arrived at the window he sounded really annoyed and I expected to get the book thrown at me. I explained my situation and he asked if I had any alcohol, or firearms in the car. I said, "yes, non-restricted rifles". He asked for my PAL and if they were "properly stored". I said yes. He walked back to his car, came back about 5 minutes later and said, in a firm voice, "SLOW DOWN". He then turned around and left... No ticket!!!! I'm sure (without evidence) that he let me go because I was honest and open about the guns. I'm sure Runkle is correct, but I'm glad I responded the way I did on that day!
@ryanc4733 ай бұрын
I'm sure this has been said already, but this appears to be for CANADIAN law, NOT US law. The rules and regulations I'm sure differ between the countries... But I know at least generally in the US if you have a concealed carry license and are carrying concealed, you're generally (I'm sure it varies from state to state) at least encouraged to volunteer that you have a concealed carry and are carrying a FIREARM (don't say "gun" or "weapon" or anything else that's sufficiently non-technical in nature). It's also recommended that you proceed carefully and slowly, ESPECIALLY if the officer wants to take control of the firearm for their safety, for instance. You're also supposed to do your best to comply with the officer, since (if you look at it from their perspective) you're armed and are potentially about to be arrested. You still don't consent to any searches or anything, but generally you're fine if the officer wants to, say, pat you down and take control of your firearm when they discover it. So, don't tell them that they can search your vehicle, but let them pat you down and remove your firearm from its holster/take it into their possession if they ask. Of course, from everything I've heard, at least in areas where concealed carry is common, officers are generally more concerned by people who either (in areas where essentially EVERYONE has a firearm) don't have a concealed carry at all (my friend that worked as a 911 dispatch in an area of a state where essentially everyone had firearms told me that the officers in his area told him that they don't need to know if the person they pull over has a concealed carry, rather, they want to know if the person DOESN'T have a concealed carry, since that was actually more suspicious in the officers mind), or by people who are expressly prohibited from owning firearms (especially if because of a firearms offense) and/or has a concealed carry and doesn't volunteer that information during a traffic stop. And do keep in mind, NONE OF THIS IS LEGAL ADVICE. If you want legal advice, consult a lawyer and don't rely upon a comment from a random stranger on the internet. Frankly, don't even rely upon a general comment by a known lawyer on the internet if they aren't explicitly representing/advising you.
@cdncampcook86803 жыл бұрын
Critical knowledge for Canadian firearms owners to be armed with. Thanks again!
@flyingbanjo13 жыл бұрын
If he wants to see it tell him to follow you to the range where you will get it out.
@patbelanger91803 жыл бұрын
Your video's are very good, thanks for doing this.
@RunkleOfTheBailey3 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@tomempey90533 жыл бұрын
@@RunkleOfTheBailey Yes,. Thank you for doing these videos...very informative
@petermarshall7750 Жыл бұрын
Thank you mr Runkle
@snowgorilla97893 жыл бұрын
During my RPAL course years ago the instructor touched on this topic as well as per how the law is/was written in that you are only allowed to have the restricted firearm at a range, gunsmith, store etc. and that by giving consent at a roadside officer Newbee could lay a charge as your firearm is now no longer cased and or trigger locked depending on the placement of the serial number. I never travel with goodies TARGETS in view. That way the questions may not arise.
@rjstewart3 жыл бұрын
While I would argue that the officer can legally open the case so the whole thing you described is one of those myths, the one good piece of advice in line with that is don’t keep the certificates in the case!
@scooterdogg75803 жыл бұрын
registered firearms means they're coming to get them eventually
@zzing Жыл бұрын
Perhaps an officer trying to lay a charge should know something about the items involved in the alleged offence.
@rangerrick82203 жыл бұрын
If a Police Officer pulls you over and sees a gun case in the back seat, he is going to ask why it is there and what type of firearm it is. He may also be trying to determine if the gun is in it, or somewhere else in the car ready to be pulled out and used on him. Unless he did a records check on the car lic plate before pulling the car over or approaching, he has no idea who is in the car and their state of being / nature. The owner of the car may not be the one driving (or even in the vehicle)... so he wouldn't be doing his job if he didn't ask about it (my opinion). I am not sure about the US, but in Canada our gun rules are very strict...(some too much so) and if I remember correctly, does that not give him grounds to conduct a search of the vehicle? And if you refuse information about the weapons, couldn't that be construed as obstruction? The Officer may just be trying to determine what they are and why you have them. Sure - there are alot of gung-ho power-tripping cops out there but not all cops are bad. He could be asking for his own safety sake, or because something happened in the area involving a shooting / firearm. But if its not in view (say stored safely in the trunk) and it was a random stop or one for speeding, I wouldn't bring it up if they don't.
@halkael23173 жыл бұрын
If its a restricted gun, you’re not legally aloud to unlock the case other than at home or the range... so why break the law in front of a cop??
@crashonmoon3 жыл бұрын
Great video. Say if you’re coming back from the range and are pulled over by the police; As per your video, when asked you make the “mistake” of telling the police officer that you have legally owned guns in the car. Question: Does the police officer now have the “right” or “probable cause” to search your vehicle, and do have to let them see your firearms? Keep the videos coming.
@waylor1 Жыл бұрын
An admission of being in possession of arms, while foolish, is not evidence of a crime having been committed. LEO requires R&PG to believe in order to conduct a search. If you choose to continue talking, you’re likely to provide what he lacks.
@TCS863 жыл бұрын
Lying to a police officer is an offense if you are under oath or identifying yourself. In my state with my CCW permit I am not obligated to inform police of being armed even if asked. We have more rights to refuse police then they have to jack us up.
@grantboucher2696 Жыл бұрын
as a retired cop people talk too much and mostly good people who think the officer is your friend. Most cops dont know the regulations . If the cops want to do things dont agree if they have the authority they will break in. Silence is golden.
@user-nk3re4dj5h3 жыл бұрын
Out of curiosity, let's say you refuse to answer their question about having firearms in the vehicle. What do you say if 1) They automatically assume you have a firearm in the vehicle and start using this line of thinking on you? Do you ask them how it's relevant to the traffic violation? and 2) What do you say if they conduct an illegal search against your permission and start lying to you by saying that you are required to tell them about firearms? Do you ask them to cite that law in the Canadian Firearms Act? This is a question I asked in my CFSC and CRFSC course because I was curious, I know in the states, some open/concealed carry guys will tell officers on a traffic stop - but that's a whole different ball game. Ultimately in this situation it appears as though either way, whatever your answer is (yes or no), your vehicle will likely be searched. Maybe they'll pull a quick one and say your vehicle smells like pot and so I'm gonna search it to find that firearm that you are "concealing"
@RunkleOfTheBailey3 жыл бұрын
If they automatically assume that you've got a gun because of refusing to answer a question, they're already on suspect ground legally speaking. If they conduct an illegal search against your permission, don't fight them, but that'll help out in court. If they tell you that you're required to answer, call a lawyer.
@jeffwilde443 жыл бұрын
no
@fastvinny6281 Жыл бұрын
Just flipping through some older vids,,,wow short hair. Didn't really realize over the years lol. Cheers sir,great vids.
@scottboyd7853 жыл бұрын
One reason for snap-caps. Years ago I had a 1960's SxS hammered 12guage that cocked on closing. I would keep two lightly oiled snap-caps in it so I could 'drop the hammers' when I put it in storage. I didn't want to store it longterm cocked.
@Kriegmann452 жыл бұрын
Honesty if your gun is loaded with a cartridge in your car, you deserve to be charged
@lindsyfish67042 жыл бұрын
My rule for myself is when dealing with peace officers is if replacements are cheap compared to the alternative, let them take it. Or, in this case, break it. Cases and locks cost, sure, but reasonable doubt is priceless. Making your potential future lawyer's life easier is also more valuable than it may seem.
@icitrom3 жыл бұрын
Mr. Runkle, firstly, I just discovered your channel and what excellent content I found. Thanks. It's not clear to me from this video whether I am supposed to open any firearms transport cases at the side of the road if, not asked, rather ordered to by a police officer. Aren't I opening myself up to a Firearms Act charge if I do open the cases? That is, foregoing for the moment my Charter right regarding unreasonable search & seizure and the cost of the transport cases should I not comply. If I do not comply, may I not then be arrested and charged with one of several other charges?
@arpadcsorba20532 жыл бұрын
I was told that I should declare the fact that I have a pistol in the car if I'm stopped on the way to or from a range.
@CommieCrusher872 жыл бұрын
Thank Runk.
@S1r_G0at3 жыл бұрын
Definitely worth knowing
@S1r_G0at3 жыл бұрын
Third
@Madskills-hw2ox3 жыл бұрын
If an opinion means nothing in a court of law; Why should, “the opinion of the OIC” matter in any way? (Delegated or not) This came from a very expensive lawyer, and his advice worked a 100% The use of “In my opinion” when asked anything on the stand. Great show my friend Thank you in advance should you decide to answer my question. I’m sure anyone with knowledge of this, could use an explanation.
@jaythatguyyouknow51352 жыл бұрын
Just replace “Crown” with DA and a lot of this can apply for Americans (except the part of transporting with a round in the chamber depending of the state you’re in and depending on if is in a case, in a holster or just sitting out in the open). Regardless of any exceptions for Americans vs what any Canadians may deal with, the essence of what he said still applies. “I do not consent to any searches” should be everybody’s default answer along with doing nothing to assist them. Two more things for Americans, one is you can’t be compelled to give up combinations and/or passwords that were created by you, are not written down and read when needed
@canuckseven3 жыл бұрын
Great education, as always. Yup, the good old "I have nothing to hide" trap.... the number of people who have gotten in trouble because of their "good faith", Guess what, law enforcement is not in "good faith".
@darylsapergia36633 жыл бұрын
Snap-caps are to allow relaxing the firing pin or hammer spring. They are inert and not live rounds.
@stevenlarson61253 жыл бұрын
The smirk on your face after you made the "I hope you were armed with some knowledge". haha.
@banffgrunt3 жыл бұрын
Good information and well presented. Thanks.
@OldBlue560 Жыл бұрын
Glad I watched this. I had assumed that I needed to hand them my 5589
@Rick-fc3kc3 жыл бұрын
Pardon my ignorance, but my legal knowledge is limited to what I remember from high school law class. What we were taught was that police had no authority to search your car unless they had probable cause. We were also taught that a refusal to a request to search your car was probable cause that you were hiding something, essentially giving them the right to search you whenever they wish. I hope this is incorrect. I understand the attitude that we need to stand up for our rights and never accept unlawful intrusion into our privacy. I also understand that I do not have the means to sustain a legal battle with the government. It’s very easy (and somewhat self-serving) for a lawyer to recommend everyone engage in actions that will then necessitate the hiring of a lawyer. Is there an organization in Canada similar to the USCCA which will provide legal support to members when they stand up to the police to defend their rights?