Do NGAL Clones Hold Up to the REAL Thing?
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Күн бұрынA detailed comparison of the L3 NGAL to the Somogear and InvisibleSight clones
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0:00 Intro
0:58 Exterior comparison
3:46 ASMR
4:52 More features compared
5:46 Data, not opinions
7:13 Clone considerations
8:13 Illuminator comparisons
15:04 Photonic barrier and laser comparisons
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@4MRRanch 20 күн бұрын
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@fizzleshizzle8314 19 күн бұрын
This is the type of QUALITY content you get from science major KZfaqrs who are well educated. Stark contrast to other dumb herp de derp 2A clowns
@yourfreedomisanillusion 5 күн бұрын
Seeing as how you have 3 now, I am willing to give one of them a good home. It would be extremely helpful! Thanks and keep up the excellent work!
@4MRRanch 5 күн бұрын
@@yourfreedomisanillusion I don’t own the L3, and recently sold the somogear to fund the next video project!
@yourfreedomisanillusion 5 күн бұрын
@@4MRRanch --Dang it! Late again!!! Nice channel btw
@luislongoria6621 2 күн бұрын
Either the troops knew the L3 product was trash and never used it or they never bothered to open the box because no matter how cool the gear is, no soldier wants to be the slow camel wearing glasses while humping all that heavy gear all over Timbuktu. Once you see a tacti-cool ninja using flat range holds in a gunfight, you can really understand General Petraeus' mindset. Teaching kids is like herding cats
@Dea7hWarran7 21 күн бұрын
Heyo, I feel like you missed a YUGE point about the cost differential, that being: if a company sells a product to the US government, it has to be priced the same as it would be for an individual citizen, “off the shelf”. By marking the prices high, L3 ensures they’ll recoup their engineering and certification costs, while also guaranteeing they’ll get a premium price tag that “somebody” (taxpayers) will buy regardless of the actual cost and profit margin.
@4MRRanch 21 күн бұрын
I do mention something similar to this
@Sophistry0001 21 күн бұрын
I think the gun and "tactical" space has a massive problem with this. Once they get a government contract at a wildly inflated price they don't have to care about competing on the market.
@touge242 21 күн бұрын
This right here. L3 does not care about private joe sales, they chase government contract and they are not allowed to mark up contract prices. This means private citizens are free to pay bribed contract prices
@johndoe-so2ef 18 күн бұрын
Someone has to fill those fat envelopes that are slid across the table at various lunches and cocktail parties. So you're going to pay big bucks.
@gunguru7020 13 күн бұрын
Silly Rabbits. How much do you think L3 sunk into this product in research, development, testing and evaluation for their product to meet and pass government requirements?
@ilovefreeski 22 күн бұрын
Letss go this is the comparison we all wanted the most! Great stuff
@4MRRanch 22 күн бұрын
Glad it’s useful!
@ilovefreeski 22 күн бұрын
@@4MRRanch @4:06 those screws are getting mashed by that small multitool flathead lol
@4MRRanch 21 күн бұрын
@@ilovefreeski I was being more careful than it may appear, I didn’t want to cause any damage. The adjustment screws on NGALs are small. Not a huge fan, I like the larger PEQ style hardware
@rotorbob 22 күн бұрын
It’s a bummer that the real one came in such poor condition. I’ve been noticing this more and more. I’m really disappointed in the quality of American manufacturers lately. China is making us look bad and it bums me out.
@4MRRanch 22 күн бұрын
This seems to be a trend lately. Hit or miss
@rfcdgaf 22 күн бұрын
When the clone is better than the genuine article lmao
@uoislame 22 күн бұрын
government contracts. KAC's cerakote looks like some DIY weekend warrior did it, but everyone will swear they are great because they can scam the government with them. mfs gotta have that operator cosplay tho so they keep buying it.
@BlackoutPatriot 21 күн бұрын
It does suck but it's good also . Means we can get the better stuff cheaper
@chasevanscoter1354 20 күн бұрын
@@uoislame Idk what KAC you have owned (musta been a KAK and you got it wrong), but the finish on mine has been fine even after being abused. My eotech's finish is slaughtered, but the upper and lower almost look new.
@spoonskill7080 22 күн бұрын
Like the vid, InvisibleSight for the win. Saving up to get one...Thanks bro.
@4MRRanch 22 күн бұрын
It’s great for the money
@CiviTac 18 күн бұрын
Any highly regulated industry like this one has terrible pricing, slow advances in technology, lack of competition and creatively of products. Government ruins just about anything it touches
@4MRRanch 18 күн бұрын
Valid points lol
@luyanoH 8 күн бұрын
No terrible pricing , just governmt😂 laundry skim
@CiviTac 8 күн бұрын
@@luyanoH we are saying the same thing
@pforcerecon 22 күн бұрын
I absolutely love these! These are the videos that we need for these devices on the market, this is truly helpful info!
@4MRRanch 22 күн бұрын
I’m glad to hear it’s useful to you. Thanks for stopping by
@robbieknight4508 20 күн бұрын
thanks for taking the time and money to do this. Good video. Ive been using the somo ngal for a while now and it works for what I use it for. have not had any issues with it. Just got to use it last night with some buddies.
@4MRRanch 20 күн бұрын
Glad to hear it, I’ve enjoyed the somo
@danielney6 18 күн бұрын
does it hold zero and is weatherproof?
@1BXB 19 күн бұрын
Your testing and video results are invaluable. We need info like this to make informed choices. Thanks!!!
@4MRRanch 19 күн бұрын
Happy to do it. I appreciate the positive feedback.
@georgejoseph4164 16 күн бұрын
Probably one of the best comparison videos I've watched. Nice work.
@4MRRanch 16 күн бұрын
Appreciate that, thanks for watching.
@TheKrinch 18 күн бұрын
This is the most well done KZfaq review I have ever seen.
@4MRRanch 18 күн бұрын
I appreciate the kind words. More to come
@threat2demoracy5454 21 күн бұрын
Man. That is crazy. Great stuff as always brother! 🤙🏼
@4MRRanch 21 күн бұрын
I appreciate it. Thanks for watching.
@Esch_atton 22 күн бұрын
Someone at the FDA is getting some real fat pockets off these laser contracts.
@4MRRanch 22 күн бұрын
Yeah they’re pretty stringent on the regulations for these
@printingwithpeek4897 15 күн бұрын
That's not really how it works, though. The FDA is an executive branch of the government. They are a tax consumer.
@Esch_atton 15 күн бұрын
@@printingwithpeek4897 it's exactly how it works. The military industrial complex exists to get bureaucrats rich
@printingwithpeek4897 7 күн бұрын
@Esch_atton Bro, the FDA employees don't make jack shit on on any of these products. They're a regulatory body that simply shouldn't have control over this crap.
@Esch_atton 7 күн бұрын
@@printingwithpeek4897 someone is getting rich off of all the regulations around these things. Google the word rent seeking
@HotelBravo556 22 күн бұрын
Haven’t even watched yet and I know this one is worth the like
@4MRRanch 22 күн бұрын
Much appreciated
@BorkNom Күн бұрын
Easily the best video on this topic. Thank you 4MR your channel is killer for LAM vids
@4MRRanch Күн бұрын
About 6 more LAM vids being filmed at the moment👀
@patriot9077 22 күн бұрын
Great breakdown and comparison.
@4MRRanch 22 күн бұрын
Thank you. I appreciate you checking it out
@jalowery1246 21 күн бұрын
Stil waiting on my Invisible Sight. How long did yours take?
@SOCMMOB 16 күн бұрын
I haven't watched all the way yet, so you may cover this; L3 has a spotty at best track record for quality with their lasers. Guts pulling out when removing the plug, etc. Since you have to go "gray market" when buying a full power L3, you will have *ZERO* warranty or support. And if you send it in to them, they will confiscate it. Generally speaking, their civilian offerings suck and cost well into the $1k-2k+ category. These big .gov contract companies give zero effs about the regular consumer, and the government regulating things further ruins things.
@williamdecatur4340 Күн бұрын
This vid got you a subscriber. Really well done, thank you.
@4MRRanch Күн бұрын
Thanks for watching, many more to come
@tommybarclay5329 7 күн бұрын
Great review. Needed this.
@4MRRanch 7 күн бұрын
Glad it was helpful!
@harmandeepsingh6598 21 күн бұрын
Thank you so much.
@4MRRanch 21 күн бұрын
You're welcome!
@Sophistry0001 21 күн бұрын
Fantastic comparison. That InvisibleSight seems like it's got a lot of bang for your buck compared to the L3, considering it's only 1/10th the price
@4MRRanch 21 күн бұрын
Yep, if they could keep up with demand it would be a no brainer. Currently they have a lead time issue
@vnctmrn 19 күн бұрын
great video! surprised by the relatively low Hi output on the clones
@4MRRanch 19 күн бұрын
Probably because l3 actually engineered their NGAL to efficiently shape the beam whereas the clones are just trying to mimic the real deal
@that19ram84 22 күн бұрын
Do you have the IS MK4 ngal? I’d be interested to see the comparison between the IS-EG and the mk4 to see the difference in quality.
@4MRRanch 22 күн бұрын
I will soon and will be doing a comparison
@SneakyKittyGameDev 21 күн бұрын
Ordered a mk4. From talking directly with him he sounds very excited and happy about it compared to the mk3 so fingers crossed. Just need 4MRRanch to get his lol
@dad2022 21 күн бұрын
Fantastic job.
@4MRRanch 21 күн бұрын
Many thanks!
@MugenZeroX 22 күн бұрын
I like that some of the ngal clones have a color option other than FDE
@4MRRanch 22 күн бұрын
Yes invisible sight offers black too
@BCGCPracticalShooter 21 күн бұрын
Any chance of a comparison of laser spread after firing live ammo or even small drop tests?
@4MRRanch 21 күн бұрын
I have full length reviews on both of the clones featured in this video already on the channel.
@petem9876 22 күн бұрын
Nice comparison. At some point, could you show them mounted on a rail? Just want to see if there is any "play" in the clones when mounted. Or maybe just a comment on any differences on how secure they feel on a rail.
@4MRRanch 22 күн бұрын
No play in the IS or l3, the somo is somewhat temperamental to rail fitment
@TnTriton225 22 күн бұрын
They now have a "solution ". They include a couple rubber/plastic pic rail spacers included in the box. Fixed my issue on my 22. AR rail. Somogear ngal that is.
@marshmellowboy323 22 күн бұрын
Do you plan on reviewing a IS MK4 as well? I'm so tempted to go in on one
@4MRRanch 22 күн бұрын
Yes. Will be doing a full review near term
@hops8184 22 күн бұрын
@@4MRRanch Can't wait for that one. My MK4 is supposedly shipping in late may. 🤞🤞
@kilo6one 22 күн бұрын
@@hops8184when did you order the MK4? I ordered one MAR 1st.
@robertkoonce8365 9 күн бұрын
From what I can tell, the L3 washes eceryrhing out and makes target acquisition more difficult. Thanks for the comparison. I think I'll stick with my knock off that I distinguish what I'm shooting at.
@4MRRanch 9 күн бұрын
I kept the gain on the PVS 14 the same so as to be fair, you could turn it down and get less washout. Based on the metered numbers the L3 has a stronger output so at the same gain level it would make sense it looks more washed out comparatively.
@Davo759 16 күн бұрын
does the invisiblesight in the video use the VCSEL? or is this the EEL model?
@4MRRanch 15 күн бұрын
EEL
@GentooGuy 20 күн бұрын
Wow excellent video!
@4MRRanch 20 күн бұрын
Thank you very much!
@hispeed8500 20 күн бұрын
What setup did you use to measure power? Pretty cool!
@4MRRanch 20 күн бұрын
A Thorlabs power meter
@petepedro350 20 күн бұрын
Been running a somogear peq15 for almost 3 months now. It works
@4MRRanch 20 күн бұрын
Yes it does. Not bad at all for the money
@whiskeyactual. 22 күн бұрын
Looking forward to receiving my IS clone.
@4MRRanch 22 күн бұрын
As you should be!
@Spanishproject123100 22 күн бұрын
What has your wait time been?
@kennyL 22 күн бұрын
which IS clone did you get?
@whiskeyactual. 22 күн бұрын
@@Spanishproject123100 I only just ordered mid March, so it has not even been 30 days likely.
@destroyerofgear 22 күн бұрын
My Mk4 just shipped yesterday, ordered early January 2023.
@OneAster1sk 19 күн бұрын
the InvisibleSight seems more clean of a light output, L3 put more power it looks like. great vid of side by side.
@4MRRanch 19 күн бұрын
The L3 definitely packed more punch.
@johnym9051 22 күн бұрын
Wow. Lovely! Is there a chance to deliver IS beauty to the Europe?
@4MRRanch 22 күн бұрын
No clue but I’d assume so
@philjimito7250 22 күн бұрын
Does the L3 NGAL battery cap fit the invisiblesight NGAL? I have 2 InvisibleSight full power Mk4 NGAL's on the way and I want to get the real NGAL battery cap for my units. I'm not sure if the thread pattern is the same between the L3 NGAL and the IS NGAL.
@4MRRanch 22 күн бұрын
I didn’t try that, but I don’t see the point. The invisible sight cap looks the same and has a similar o-ring design
@philjimito7250 22 күн бұрын
@@4MRRanch I mainly want to know if the threads match to see if the AA NGAL battery cap will work with it.
@Derplight2 20 күн бұрын
FMA made an NGAL clone recently as well but good luck getting it. Pretty difficult to find rn.
@4MRRanch 19 күн бұрын
With IR illumination? All I seem to see if a white light instead of IR
@Derplight2 19 күн бұрын
@@4MRRanch there is an IR version, yes.
@DBCooper81 19 күн бұрын
Fanfkntastic video....Thankyou!!
@4MRRanch 19 күн бұрын
You’re welcome. Thanks for watching
@joshsherwood1879 22 күн бұрын
Do you have an IS MK4 coming to do a comparison of that to the real L3?
@4MRRanch 22 күн бұрын
No longer have a real l3 but theres a chance I could get another one for a comparison of the MK4 performs noticeably different
@none4085 21 күн бұрын
If you had to choose, Somogear or Invisible Sight? Which do you feel is better for the budget minded individuals?
@4MRRanch 21 күн бұрын
They each have pros and cons. Currently the IS lead time isn’t great. The somo has a cleaner illuminator, but it can’t narrow or widen as much as the IS. So you have to way out the pros and cons
@mastrsk8 22 күн бұрын
I was waiting for you to mention it, however I don’t believe you did, but the InvisibleSight like the L3 had real diffusers as well. Sorry if you did mention this.
@4MRRanch 22 күн бұрын
Yes the IS has working diffusers.
@zachschuler1222 21 күн бұрын
What is invisible sights official website? Awesome video by the way!
@4MRRanch 21 күн бұрын
KZfaq doesn’t love me linking things, so Google “invisblesight is-eg” or go to the evolution gear website
@jamesmetz5147 2 сағат бұрын
Thank you very useful.
@4MRRanch Сағат бұрын
Happy to help
@alexsatterwhite2879 22 күн бұрын
What kind of IR laser does the Invisible Sight in the video have, EEL or VCSEL? Which laser type do you think is best?
@4MRRanch 22 күн бұрын
EEL. I’d go VCSEL, I just didn’t have the option at the time.
@SLUMSON 19 күн бұрын
Excellent work... any chance you can review the MAWL C1 and clones in the same way? Especially the newer metal ones from WADSN.
@4MRRanch 19 күн бұрын
I compared 2 different mawls and the wadsn clone in the large laser comparison video on my channel
@SLUMSON 19 күн бұрын
@@4MRRanch Right on! I'll check it out.. thanks! Great work by the way. Detailed. Intelligent. Thorough. 👌
@bradyh699 21 күн бұрын
Would it be easy to source laser diffusers for the somogear?
@4MRRanch 21 күн бұрын
Not that I’m aware of. Only real L3 diffusers out there
@TnTriton225 21 күн бұрын
Is the invisible sight the same model ngal as the edtactical?
@4MRRanch 21 күн бұрын
The IS-EG is a invisblesight (IS) collaboration with Evolution Gear (EG)
@TnTriton225 20 күн бұрын
Are the EG NGALs on par with the IS?
@hops8184 22 күн бұрын
This is the InvisibleSight/Evolution Gear NGAL right? Not the actual IS mk4?
@4MRRanch 22 күн бұрын
Correct
@Pook162 22 күн бұрын
yes. "IS:EG NGAL"
@walkercustoms 15 күн бұрын
Thank you
@4MRRanch 14 күн бұрын
You’re welcome
@michaelhoskins2581 22 күн бұрын
Have you done any inclement weather testing with the somogear? I have about 1000 rounds through mine and a 3 day force on force and everything is running great on it, I am just worried about water resistance and dont really want to roll the dice on testing it. Also, phenomenal videos, thank you
@4MRRanch 22 күн бұрын
I haven’t exposed the solo to adverse conditions. It’s not advertised as water sealed so I didn’t test for that.
@michaelhoskins2581 22 күн бұрын
@@4MRRanch okay well let me know if you do end up testing it. Thanks again for the videos, and also the responses.
@JamesMelton 21 күн бұрын
Awesome! I'm considering selling my MAWL and just grabbing a cheaper clone.
@4MRRanch 21 күн бұрын
Normally with the mawl?
@JamesMelton 21 күн бұрын
@@4MRRanch I'm not understanding the question. If you're asking about the clone, I'd consider one of these you reviewed in the video. If you're asking about the MAWL, it's just a lot of cash for a regular joe to dump into a tool I can't leverage as much as say a thermal drone. A stellar thermal camera will command like 5k, but the MAWL would cover like half that.
@PatriotConsiderations 19 күн бұрын
We need to see water submersion testing on the Somo and IS lasers.
@4MRRanch 19 күн бұрын
They would likely fail from water over time. Not advertised to be submersible.
@thatoneguy454c 22 күн бұрын
It's crazy that they charge so much for the ngal and the fit and finish it so bad. With all the Chinese lasers coming out I am quickly realizing just how much profit companies like L3 and B.E. Meyers are making. Also I am very curious to see how the new Mk4 NGAL clone from invisible sight will compare. If their 500 dollar units are that good then I would bet their 1000 dollar unit will be awe inspiring lol
@joshshepherd5660 22 күн бұрын
Its worse than that. If it were just a greed thing...we could cut that out when it really truly mattered. You know...like if a world war were to break out...much like the one that is ongoing....the reason for the cost excess is partly greed of course but the primary cause is regulations, paying for the R+D/tooling/actual work to create the units, and most of all cost of labor. If we do not create a literal revolution in manufacturing, or SIGNIFICANTLY CUT THE FAT we will lose that war. And it will have been because of corporate greed and too much government regulation. Not just at the moment in time but for fking decades and it still wasnt enough for those pieces of shit. WE ARE RUNNING OUT OF TIME.
@4MRRanch 22 күн бұрын
The MK4 will have better quality control, improved water sealing, and if I recall correctly a stronger illuminator
@GrottyWanker69 21 күн бұрын
The performance on these clones vs the real deal is nuts especially when considering the cost.
@4MRRanch 21 күн бұрын
Just keep in mind this wasn’t a long term reliability test, but yes pretty impressive for the price point
@GrottyWanker69 21 күн бұрын
@@4MRRanch Absolutely but if its capable of holding up even 20% the length of the real deal I'd call it a win. Its also replaceable FP units for those of us on the civ side aren't since L3 will confiscate it if you try and get it repaired. I'd rather use and abuse something I can actually feasibly replace. Save the L3 for the apocalypse.
@cannonfodder4812 8 күн бұрын
The L3 illuminator is brighter but not as clear as the others. Its like a bright fuzz ball. Invisible sight seemed better for me. Especially for the price point
@4MRRanch 8 күн бұрын
User preference, the L3 is definitely a stronger illuminator
@jw5297 3 күн бұрын
Where dod you get your clones from?
@4MRRanch 3 күн бұрын
Directly from sologear and invisblesight
@dustinshaw2419 22 күн бұрын
Did you have to finish the 15%? If so what did it entail?
@4MRRanch 22 күн бұрын
I’m not sure I understand the question
@dustinshaw2419 21 күн бұрын
@@4MRRanch on the website it says the $480 unit is only 85% complete. $1200 for a complete working unit.
@klink708 6 күн бұрын
Any where to buy the L3 without being Law enforcement?
@4MRRanch 6 күн бұрын
Email vitalendvrs@gmail.com, tell him 4MR Ranch sent you and he will discuss your laser needs with you
@Marksman5147 21 күн бұрын
I will stay gladly buy that IS-EG version off you for well over MSRP 🤣🤣
@4MRRanch 21 күн бұрын
Go on… lol
@Marksman5147 21 күн бұрын
@@4MRRanch I tried to buy it off you on your FB post already you said you were keeping it 🤣 They’re what $480 new 🤔🤔 $700 shipped?? EG claims to have them in stock but has some serious scammer activity going on
@4MRRanch 21 күн бұрын
@@Marksman5147 I’m just playing, I really can’t sell it. I want to compare it to the Mk4. It does look like they increase the price of the IS-EG version, probably due to increased demand
@Marksman5147 21 күн бұрын
@@4MRRanch Yea I figured you were kidding but I was ready to throw $800 out 🤣 if you wanna sell it after you get the MK4 thoooo I’m afraid to order one direct from IS because of the absurd wait time, and I’m afraid to order from EG and get scammed… shame
@aaronkinder2807 8 күн бұрын
Are you planning on doing any live fire testing? So far, every review I've watched about these knockoff IR devices is that they don't hold zero like the "real thing" and that's a huge issue. There is zero point in having an IR laser if it can't hold zero.
@4MRRanch 8 күн бұрын
Yes, full length reviews on both clones already on my channel
@ForOdin 20 күн бұрын
Now, if only we can get quality night vision for a similar price point, everything I’ve seen, so far, has been far more than someone who doesn’t have a high paying job could afford. Even the DIY (3D printed) night vision is out of my price range
@4MRRanch 20 күн бұрын
Tubes are a complicated technology to manufacture. It will be some time before a viable “knock off” can be made on the analog side of the house. That said, digital NV is getting better and cheaper
@ForOdin 20 күн бұрын
@@4MRRanch I do have files for digital panoramic NV, it’s just a matter of sourcing parts
@blackhawk7r221 19 күн бұрын
Get an extra credit card just for toys. Over the years, that’s how I got both my ACOG and my PVS-7Ds.
@ja0298 20 күн бұрын
Good video
@4MRRanch 20 күн бұрын
Thanks for watching
@printingwithpeek4897 15 күн бұрын
You need to get the NGAL from invisiblesight that has the VCSEL emitters on it. Thats more apples to apples for comparison.
@4MRRanch 14 күн бұрын
Coming soon
@printingwithpeek4897 14 күн бұрын
@4MRRanch Hell yea dude! Good stuff.
@zachschuler1222 21 күн бұрын
Is it possible to cerakote these black?
@4MRRanch 21 күн бұрын
IS-EG has a black option
@ynghoffa7523 13 күн бұрын
whats the name of the song on background?
@4MRRanch 13 күн бұрын
It’s a generic soudbite from a music licensing site
@jeffhuntley2921 22 күн бұрын
Great video. Too bad it’d be crazy money to do a durability test
@4MRRanch 22 күн бұрын
Yeah it’s bad enough I owed some money for the scratch on the L3 lol
@TexasPapa13 3 күн бұрын
Invisible sight here I come
@riverland22 Күн бұрын
According to you, in the beginning, the real one is on the left 🙄🤔.
@joesackmann5589 17 күн бұрын
So correct me if im wrong but it seems like there really isnt an actual point in getting the "real" NGAL? From the comparison part alone it seems like i can kit out both of my rifles, and one for my friend using the more expensive of the two clones or getting like 10 of the cheaper clones all with, for all intents and purposes, the same performance. Like i feel like the clones the last 3-5 years have been so close in performance that its almost stupid to buy the real thing, the diminishing returns with price are staggering. The L3 does have a bit better performance in certain areas yes but is it worth 4 times or even 10 times the price? EDIT: BTW defiantly subscribing now too, not many people do straight up comparisons like this with no bullshit filler.
@4MRRanch 17 күн бұрын
Just keep in mind this was NOT a long term reliability comparison. Neither clone is water sealed like the L3, so expose it to a wet environment and the clone may fail you. Do I think L3 should charge $4k+? No. But do also keep in mind it’s made in the U.S., with workings recieving probably reasonable U.S. wages and benefits, and was engineered by people in the U.S. so that adds to some of the cost. These US made devices also have to deal with regulations/certifications the clones simple just ignore.
@joesackmann5589 17 күн бұрын
@@4MRRanch Very true but i cant see why you couldn't just coat it with a little water repellent spray or hell put it in some jerry rigged sort of bag if it demands it. i get the reason why alot of NV gear is so expensive but for people that arent either well of/rich or arent active service/LEO i believe this will work more than well enough. "10% the cost for 80% the performance" as i always say.
@BrandonMirrors 22 күн бұрын
Reading that the Invisible Sight guy is from Belgium. Crazy if true
@4MRRanch 22 күн бұрын
I assumed China, what makes you think Belgium?
@lorteti 22 күн бұрын
He told me that he is Chinese origin born and raised in Belgium. Moved back to HK after graduation.
@kilo6one 21 күн бұрын
@@4MRRanch he says he's from Belgium in the description for his new InvisibleSight TINAL device.
@wolfslayermountaindogs1080 18 күн бұрын
How well do they hold zero after 500 rounds vs L3
@4MRRanch 18 күн бұрын
Both cooked have held fine, 800+ rounds to date through the somo and 500 and counting through the invisblesigt. No issues yet, I have full length reviews on both on my channel.
@MH_6160 18 күн бұрын
I have 400 rounds on my Ngal, it has been banged into a door frame at least twice and fell my rifle has been knocked over multiple times… still holding zero.
@chuckcoyl1688 10 күн бұрын
It's funny how the cheaper ones shine. Such a cleaner beam.😂😂😂
@4MRRanch 10 күн бұрын
But less output than the real deal
@pikanation 22 күн бұрын
Abilities to retain zero after 500 rnds?
@4MRRanch 21 күн бұрын
Yes on both clones
@4MRRanch 21 күн бұрын
I have full length reviews on the clones
@iangrant8750 18 күн бұрын
not sure if it just me or not but for some reason to me the L3 looks cloudy and hard to see through
@lorteti 18 күн бұрын
The problem with the L3 is the hot spot in the middle with the very soft edge is very distracting. The IS even brightness illuminator cone is much easier to eye, just better designed.
@4MRRanch 18 күн бұрын
It may be the gain on my night vision turned up too high for the L3, it definitely has stronger output.
@genericadjectivenounname9001 16 күн бұрын
How do civilians get their hands on actual unused L3 hardware? Is it from QA rejections? That could be why they have issues with something like the weird soft edge on the illuminator you have. Maybe the waterproofing sealant got onto the edges of the reflector? Anything that is expensive in the military is serially controlled and "losing" a serially controlled item is a great way to have a bad time. I can't imagine anyone willing to ruin their life over $4k in a unit that both has access to high end gear and is also treated like adults with normal levels of accountability instead of children who have to be inspected every time they walk outside.
@4MRRanch 15 күн бұрын
This gear is not illegal to own as a civilian, it’s just regulated such that a formal business can’t sell to somebody lacking credentials. There’s a gray market (not black market) of people selling these second hand for substantial markup
@genericadjectivenounname9001 15 күн бұрын
I see. I wonder if civilian sales get the sloppy seconds or if mil buyers also get units with defects. Seems insane to sell a product for thousands that can be manufactured for hundreds and not even bother investing in better quality control.
@the1eloboss592 6 күн бұрын
I dont know but if my missing shape costed me $62 some thing tells me the military just got to make some money off you
@SpecOpsGear 21 күн бұрын
Somogear ngal OR laserspeed fl5/m6?
@4MRRanch 21 күн бұрын
Those are all very different options. Laserspeed has a better illuminator divergence range, clean illuminators, but are larger and heavier. So depends on your priority
@chasevanscoter1354 20 күн бұрын
can you even really get your hands on the invisible sight? It seems like his website has nothing for sale and all other online offers are looking at $1000+ which is more or less silly to pay for a knock off product. Even if it is in competition it is still a knock off I also seem to keep reading that it takes months to receive and almost borderlines being a scam if you will ever receive the item.
@lorteti 20 күн бұрын
Not when the knock off actually works better. Just look at the 500m target situation 18:10, the IS one works better.
@4MRRanch 20 күн бұрын
This is the only (major) downside to the IS option
@zagrepcanin82 4 күн бұрын
what are these gadgets?
@4MRRanch 4 күн бұрын
Infrared aiming lasers and illuminators for use with night vision
@zagrepcanin82 4 күн бұрын
@@4MRRanch but why should i want flashlight for night vision? And it has its own ir iluminator
@stephens2663 22 күн бұрын
Like and subscribe for the algo people
@4MRRanch 22 күн бұрын
Preach! The more subs the more companies will help me make bigger and better content!
@goawaybaizuo 21 күн бұрын
My SG ngal has over 3k rounds now. It's absolutely phenomenal.
@4MRRanch 21 күн бұрын
Glad to hear that, thanks for the update
@cjcantrell80 21 күн бұрын
Really weird 80’s porn music. Aside from that, I think I like the InvisibleSight one better. At least the way it appeared on the video, it seemed like it would allow clearer target acquisition than the other two.
@4MRRanch 21 күн бұрын
I’ll use 90’s porn music next time, sorry for the wrong decade choice
@cjcantrell80 21 күн бұрын
@@4MRRanch 😆 would that be a bunch of Boys 2 Men or something?
@zerofrindz 8 күн бұрын
Porn music gives u more credibility...lol.
@user-we3je7np2k 19 күн бұрын
So the clones are 4k cheaper and do a better job. I'm sorry that R&D price tag is a joke.
@4MRRanch 19 күн бұрын
I do briefly touch on some of the reason for the price tag, it’s more than just the surface level comparison, but yeah I think it’s a little overpriced for what it is.
@user-we3je7np2k 19 күн бұрын
@@4MRRanch I would like to see what the internals look like. I've seen clones of other electronics clones where they actually sourced most of the parts from the same places.
@pops55650 21 күн бұрын
$4k in a laser is way too much. Better things to spend your money on. You can get some decent night vision or thermal for that price and you will be more effective. I’m tired of paying $$$ for name brand stuff when their competitors have caught up with them in quality and functionality for much less. I suppose they have to price their stuff to the public to justify keep charging the government that price for aging technology
@4MRRanch 21 күн бұрын
Yeah this kind of gear is a strange market to say the least
@yurifrank4537 20 күн бұрын
Why do almost all L3 NGAL shells look like they have been in a car accident?
@4MRRanch 20 күн бұрын
They’ve seen some things…
@leejohnson2024 20 күн бұрын
did you say FDA regulations? What the hell does the food and drug administration have to do with lasers?
@4MRRanch 20 күн бұрын
Yep, as crazy as it is they regulate the lasers in the US
@genericadjectivenounname9001 16 күн бұрын
The FDA regulates consumer lasers because they already regulate medical laser devices. Of the US regulatory bodies, they are the one that is already set up to regulate consumer goods based on safety hazards. The sub-body of the FDA that evaluates lasers is the Center for Devices and Radiological Health.
@dieselawake 21 күн бұрын
GREAT REVIEWS..SHAME ON THE QUALITY OF THE L3
@4MRRanch 21 күн бұрын
I think this L3 was on the low end of the cosmetics you can get
@temper44 7 күн бұрын
It's a fair argument that L3 actually spent the R&D money, while the others have second mover advantage. Do you know if the Chinese are investing to try and miniaturize these units and put money into their own R&D, or do they rather stay closely behind to keep up the appearances of being "hobby" product? Competition would be great, but it could also cause the FDA to bring out the hammer.
@4MRRanch 6 күн бұрын
I’m glad you acknowledged the points I tried to make. Not sure what the different clone companies have in store, there rumors of more development but not sure if they will ever be willing to enter the U.S. market in a formal way that mandates FDA compliance
@temper44 6 күн бұрын
@@4MRRanch I think you're giving L3 too much credit here though. Those lights and lasers are off the shelf items that are not very expensive. L3 put them in a box and put a $4k sticker on it. Their FDA approval was probably easy considering it was a military product. That's why I think the Chinese could miniaturize the component and make it 1/3 the size and weight if they put money into it.
@4MRRanch 6 күн бұрын
@@temper44 perhaps, but they also pay competitive US engineering salaries/benefits. Costs add up
@abcdefbcdefg8352 14 күн бұрын
lol, arfcom removed all chinese clone lam threads again. tnvc must be stoked to get sales back on their overpriced lams
@vktravellog1242 Күн бұрын
The quality issues are a reflection of where we are at in this country. We are witnessing the downfall of America!
@4MRRanch Күн бұрын
It was a sample size of one, but yeah most manufacturing is dependent on the morale of the employee that day
@skullofserpent5727 22 күн бұрын
+
@4MRRanch 22 күн бұрын
Thank you as always
@mishasumi6827 14 күн бұрын
There is nothing like providing the Chines military with business in order to equip their military with the profits and perfect their manufacturing.
@monaco647 Күн бұрын
🫴
@hisinvisibleness-fn8qj 3 сағат бұрын
Because greed
@4MRRanch 2 сағат бұрын
Maybe, but there’s more to the behind the scenes cost than what most people realize
@mikeschlesner6673 2 күн бұрын
kind of bullshit they charged you because their SHITTY paint easily flakes off..... get a clone folks....
@4MRRanch 2 күн бұрын
L3 didn’t charge me, the company selling this charged a small fee because they had to then discount the unit as it was no longer (mint condition) which is fair
@mikehunt5934 6 күн бұрын
Beauty over function? I'd rather have the opposite.
@4MRRanch 6 күн бұрын
I’d take function as well, but a little more pride in manufacturing would be nice lol
@mikehunt5934 6 күн бұрын
@4MRRanch I totally get that. Some of the responses here, sound.......... Well some bitch because they see a miniscule nick and cry "GARBAGE".
@petter5721 5 күн бұрын
American quality 😂
@4MRRanch 5 күн бұрын
Ups and downs like with most things. Depends how motivated the labor force is
@danford7532 5 күн бұрын
This is a very poor presentation! Acronyms mean nothing to most people!
@4MRRanch 5 күн бұрын
NGAL: next generation aiming laser IR: infrared This is a video for the technical differences between very niche devices, and the target audience wasn’t the average shooter who doesn’t play with night vision. But I agree it would have been helpful to define
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