When you tested these mice did you have them plugged into the USB ports that are directly connected to the CPU? I took a look at the manual for your motherboard those are the 4 blue ones. Otherwise you will be going through the chipset which is not ideal.

"the same mouse, same everything, same design, but with an 8000 hz polling rate" , actually they updated the sensor. The sensor is in the top 3 for accuracy. The also reduced the click latency. And even if you can't play some games at 8000 hz, you can often play those games at 2000 Hz. Which is still a 200% improvement in polling.

I have Viper 8KHz it runs perfect. You can change your Hz on the mouse at anytime with Synapse back to 1000hz (Default for most mice). Some games engines do not support 8KHz.

Hey man, love your videos. Dont stick only to monitors, all your content about PC gaming has great quality. You are the first to mention this problem with 8K mouses, and i watch a lot of this type of content.

Great content I’m surprised the viper 8k had these issues. On my set up, I mainly play apex and Destiny 2 (sometimes rocket league and Titan fall2), running a 5950x 3080tiFE custom loop and I’ve never had issues running the viper at 8K using the 240hz 1440p Alienware IPS panel. I did notice a few stutters before adjusting my OC on cpu/gpu with the Odyssey G7 monitor. I found it best to sit between 1000-1500 dpi on the razer viper and adjust ingame sensitivity.

I don't know, man. I have been using the Viper 8K for over half a year. It works perfectly fine at 8K Hz for me on my 390 Hz monitor. Much more smooth than my 1000 Hz mice. If I happen to have a problem in some random game, I simply switch it to 2K Hz or 4K Hz.

I believe 8k+ polling rates for gaming mouses are part of the future of gaming etc, however currently it’s not catered for by the vast amount of game engines which are built on older tech developers etc. However, with new engines in development now and going forward, these new technologies will be integrated more into action paced fps titles. Like many things newly adopted, a maturing process is required to achieve its best outcomes.

Waiting for a review of the most interesting monitor this year, Alienware 34 curved QD-OLED. I hope you will get it as soon as they will drop it on the market

thanks for the content! this is really interesting. I thought the 8k would be just another gaming gimmick by razer but, after watching this, I really want to try it my self.

Good timing, was just looking into the viper 8k

in the future, the mouse, display, gpu and game engine should sync for optimal latency and fluidness, i hope we get there someday

I can’t trust this reviewer when the mouse at 8000hz works flawlessly in games he has mentioned. Thumbs Down.

What about the input delay at 1000 Hz instead of 8000 Hz? Is it basically the same or not? I bought this mouse because i was told it works best with a 360+ Hz monitor.

Your title gives the impression that a 8k muse is practically unuseable while it isn't. Even in your own comment section the majority of the people are saying they're not experiencing any issues. Probably a good idea to change the title to something less agressive tbh

I bought the viper 8k not because of the polling rate but because of the shape. My 1st mouse was mamba elite which was ambidextrous and that broke later. I then got the deathadderV2. I found the mouse too big for my hand. I then remembered that the Mamba elite was a good fit for me so I would try another ambidextrous mouse which now is the Viper8k and that works really good for me.

It’s 2023. Can we buy it now?

Valorant has the support for 8K functionality with the Low Latency Mouse support option, so I think it's EXTREMELY worth it if you play that game. 8 times the amount of data updates as 1000 hertz mice, and the lowest click latency out of any mouse out there at 0.125 MS.

i really liked this piece. i didn't know anything about 8khz mice beyond that they weren't popular. this was interesting and well presented.

Used the sabre for a while and had 0 issues with 8k. Worked even on older games like csgo and siege. Played on 240hz 5800x/2060 both oc. Try messing with some USB related settings mb

I'm no export on this, but could the problem be that you are flooding the OS with interrupts? I believe it works something like this: When you make a mouse movement (or give input from some other peripheral device) it signals the pc which causes a hardware interrupt. The interrupt must be handled by an ISR "interrupt service routine" in the operating system and by the kernel mode driver for the device. The OS will for some short time do context-switch from what else it is doing to handle these interrupts. I believe windows has a fixed range of times it stops its normal processing per second in order to check for hardware interrupts, i believe its around 10ms (0.01sec) per check for interrupts. If the device for some reason cant process the interrupt right away a DPC "deferred procedure call" is issued. All other real-time audio/video/games must wait to continue and drop out frames/samples before this DPC is handled, which can lead to DPC latency that consumes relevant CPU time (CPU is waiting to continue processing the game, speed of cpu doesnt affect this as it still have to wait) Some googling suggest you can check this with latencymon, any has this mouse and can check this? So maybe its a driver issue? Or maybe you are flooding the OS with interrupts at 8000hz?

ive heard that apex actually works mit 8khz mice after the recent season 12 update

For now I am staying 1000 hz for now. Hopefully we see game companies support 8k hz later on. When that happen, PC gaming will change for the better. Great video man.

Nice info that I didn't really see in reviews of the Viper 8k and the Corsair 8000Hz mice. Great idea but these games really need to be updated to support these mice. I play on a G305 right now and I'm not a competitive player but I know the stuttering issue would definitely be noticeable for me if I played with an 8khz mouse in a game that didn't support it. Awesome content btw Bijan

Is it worth to sell my viper ultimate for the 8k ?? I play overwatch all the time and don’t think cable bothers with a bungee.

Fun fact about the viper 8k. No matter what you set it too for pulling rate, it always has 8000hz click latency. I have heard the 8K pulling rate is unstable, but I have never experienced this on my 8k. 12900K/3080TI custom loop. Even if you had to set it to 1000hz you are still getting the best of the best click latency.

Which one us better? Razer deathadder v2 or this one... Both are around same price.

I have been searching for this video for 3 days now hahaha. My 3rd viper mini is now getting super wobbly and I use 5 thin (3 on the ring and pinky and 2 on the thumb) tapes on the sides for extra width so I think the viper 8k will be my next mouse and probably my main (since I only play valorant and league). I have a decent pc so it wont be a problem having the extra Cpu taxing

Did you try to set your 8Khz Mouse to an standalone cpu core? this could actually fix these problems. Or just lower it to 4000 Hz on games, that cant handle 8000 hz

An intro without a sound is best.

do they have option to set polling rate to 1000hz in mouse?

Yayy new Bijan video.

I have this mouse and without using the full 8k hrz its still more consistent pacing in between the cursor while swiping circles on the desktop. I think because of the hardware being more capable at 8k hrz its 125hz is still more consistent then all other mice on the market and you can visibly see that on a desktop cursor swipe test.

2:20 was pretty hilarious to witness lol, love his ultra rapid hand motion xD

Strange, I've been using the 8k pollingrate on my mouse for an year now and i haven't had any issues on it at all. Matter of fact i cant use a 1000hz mouse now because they feel too inaccurate and less snappy in comparison to the viper 8k

I've had mine for almost a year now, and i've been using it on 4000hz and every game I've played it's fine. I play a lot of games. Overwatch, every COD from 1 to Vanguard, Battlefield 3 and every one after, CSGO, Valorant, GTA 5, RDR2, ARK, Doom 2016/Eternal, Insurgency Sandstorm, Horizon Zero Dawn, Team Fortress 2, Apex Legends, PUBG and many many more. Not mouse stutter or sensitivity issue, I've updated it's firmware tho it was fine before, I'm on Windows 10 and use a 5900X, but CPU's as old as like the older quad core i7s should work.

8k hz may not work, but i had no problem with 4k hz on any game also, you need to enable raw input if you want your mouse to work at 8k hz

this was EXACTLY what happened with my gaming experience with my M2K. I was wondering why it was stuttering so badly because I swore I never had issues with my hardware and then I realized that each time I played a lot, it was on my breaks when I went back home to my family's house and was using a "normal" 1000HZ mouse. When I'm at school, I use my M2K and thought it was my wifi or my screen just giving out after a lot of wear. After switching back down to 1000HZ, felt great.

i feel like you have pointer acceleration on. or enhanced pointer on. also not sure you have things setup right for it.

I'm noticing for web, with javascript events, that it can't deal with 8K hz. It will just make up false 500+ pixel deltaX numbers fairly often.

u can buy the 8khz mouse if u like shape or mouse itself just use 1000hz polling rate instead 8k

It can also use up a chunk of your cpu usage.

Tried every polling rate under 8khz, and 2khz I found was the most consistent. :)

I agree, 8khz feels absolutely amazing. I would recommend buying an 8khz mouse in 2023 though, in most games that i play it works without much performance impact. In some games i had to turn it down to 4khz. 4khz still feels a lot better than 1khz so buying a high polling rate mouse for those games is still worth it imo. But at the end of the day I don't really care if 8khz works or doesn't work in most games as long as it works in my main game diabotical. In that game 8khz works even with 30000 DPI with no performance impact. And the game also supports framerate independent inputs to make full use of the 8khz. The engine of that game is incredible. I can't wait for the new games from the 2gd studio because while diabotical is still by far the most fun shooter out there i feel like player numbers are slowly declining.

What CPU are you using? Ryzen has known USB issues that were 'fixed' but never truly were. And when I used my Razer Viper 8k on my brother 5800x it has stutters and USB dropouts, but on my new i7-12700k system it works like butter. I've gone back and fourth, removing drivers, even trying a fresh Windows install, but for some reason its just completely broken on the Ryzen system and not the 12th gen one.

Does it work in windows 11?

Thank you for the test! Do you think the studdering and freezing could be an issue in some programs like Excel, Blender, Premiere, etc? Wonder if programs have to implement 8000Hz support like the games

Hello, could you review this monitor? Lenovo G24-20

I used to have the viper ultimate. Dongle ended up dying and needed a new mouse now, so I tried the 40$ 8k mouse at best buy. Not gonna lie to you, the difference is night and day to me. I gotta go back to 1000hz in some games where going over that will cause a ton of stutters, but going back to val, I'll realize I'm still on 1k or 8k consistently. 1k almost feels 'too fast' because of 8k giving much more info in-between moving my mouse that I'm missing. I'm definitely not good enough to use this hardware to it's potential, but it's definitely great on valorant. I turn it off for most other games.

have to turn on raw input on the games that have that option. csgo and valorant i know for sure have this option. csgo has had raw input since the game was released.

what is your opinion on an 8000hz keyboard? I use one for fighting games and wondered if it was too much

My problem is when I move it fast, it lags and stays in the same spot. Like I have to go slow

i only bought the razer viper 8khz because it was on sale and its just the razer viper which i originally wanted to get, so im not even going to be using the 8KHz feature

You realize you don't have to set it to 8000Hz for everything, right? Having the option is better than not having it.

i got a viper 8k and it lags my games when i move it too much and i hate my mouse

after 300hours i played dead by daylight, i've got the fps drop i had when doing 360, was mouse 8khz fault, reducing on 2k it fixed everything

Should I get razer viper 8khz for my low end laptop (intel pentium Gold, 8GB Ram) I play Valorant, CSGO, and roblox

The stutter/lag issue is on AMD CPUs, try stopping AMD External Events Utility Module. Intel's CPU doesn't have these problems. And 8Khz takes more effective if you use high sensitivity of your configuration in the game and software, try to use above 1600DPi, in my case, I already use in CS sens in 15.0 - DPI 1600-1800, yes it's too high, but that's what I'm used to.

I have the same stutter with CS GO AMD 5600x

Because games haven't unlocked the option to utilize it in games yet

I buyd new i5 13600k proc and installed windows 11 tested dayz destini 2 escape from tarkov warzonne 2.0, on 8k hz no stuttering.

weirdly enough 8khz has always worked on mw/warzone and those newer cod games from 2019 and on but yeah to only be able to use it on one game is not worth it

looks like a processing issue. A better PC and the proper drivers should eliminate this issue, but I guess we just aren't there yet for the main consumer base. Total bummer too as I was thinking of getting an 8k mouse.

What about for aim trainers like kovaaks and aim labs? Does it work fine there?

What do you prefer viper or Corsair

That cable looks really stiff, how it's bending out of the bungee

Windows 11 25272. -Made a change to help improve performance when using a high report rate mouse while gaming.

All those issues fixed now

Viper Mini is still one of the best mouse out there

so that is mean it is worth to buy while waiting game dev updating their patch? future investment I guess.

I have 2kHz mouse and it works without issues. It uses a bit more CPU for sure, but I never had issues because of it. To me, this sounds more like garbage mouses or there is something wrong with your system. Since you have ryzen, I have issues on both of my ryzen systems with USB when fTPM (AMDs TPM implementation) is enabled. fTPM is on by default in recent BIOS versions because it is win11 requirement.

can you do a video of valorant adding raw input buffer. It supposedly takes information directly from the mouse instead of windows so this might work.

I over clocked my PS5 controller to 8k hz huge difference even from the 1k on the PS4 controller definitely noticably faster

hunt: showdown works well with it. other games needs to be lowered to 4k or 2k. then it works.

no such problem on my intel 7th i7/ intel 12th i7, 1070 gpu and rtx3080 gpu, work perfectly fine. Good mouse. Btw am using it on usb3.0 port, not sure is that the reason.

I use the 8k mouse for overwatch and cant go back to 1000, if the game is having issues with 8k turn it to 1000...

Deathadder V3 its the best of the best, its wired and 8k poling rate, without any dongle!! To feel 8k you need monitor with 250 or 350 @HZ. Otherwise 1k it's enough for 165 HZ monitors. And most important it's very cheap because it's "wired" 80€ in Europe vs Wireless which DeathAdder V3 Pro is above 150€.

As of now I've had zero issues in any game I've tested (including most of the ones you've listed) using 10700KF/12900K with 4400MHz CL16 RAM, I've had some stutters when it was first released, but I did a clean install of Windows, made sure there are no unwanted background tasks running, used Calypto's optimisation guide and I didn't have a problem since.

the problem is your pc (non stable oc/ bad ram/ amd cpu) and or windows installation.

idk i played same games with same mouse and everything was running smooth with 8k hz poling rate

With discord closed, all recording software closed, and driver only install on my GPU drivers (no software) I can run apex 8k. Also CS:S and CSGO I have no issues with 8k even with discord going. Never had an issue with mw2019 nor warzone neither. With apex if I had discord going with recording software I'd have to drop to 2k, sometimes 4k would be fine on a good day for some reason. It really does depend on cpu. When I move my mouse all over the place on just the desktop I can usually make it top out around 23-25%. 5600x and rx 6800 with 32gb 3666mhz cl14 ram. If you have a 5800x3d or 5900x or 7900x I'd imagine the problems would be less.

csgo works fine with 8khz nowadays just sometimes it stutters a little but not a biggie tbh

I have the viper 8khz mice and are running it full tilt with almost no issues. However, I had the same issues in basicly all games when i first plugged it in. What has fixed the problem with stuttering and a like for me has been to turn off the HPET(high precision event timer, its stinks apparently) both in windows and Bios and turning the overlay function of in apps like Discord(steam's overlay doesn't cause me issues). I can't say that this will work for everyone but the only games that misbehave for me is on the epic launcher and its the darn overlay you can't disable. Valheim for example is working just fine for me. I do agree though it's very annoying and shouldn't be happening at all in the first place.

Nice Video

Works with many games but if a game does not support it just go down to 2Khz and it works perfect. GET A 8KHZ MOUSE! Razer has one for just 39.99

well this problem issend any more, for cs en apex at least, have the 8khz mouse en works realy good now day's. but to note, i had the problemes biginning this year but a copple monts later it was fixed en works good on 8000hz poelingrate. the only issue is that synaps can give you micro stutters in my experience in apex but also in some other games by other people

Works in Warframe I love it

fine for me, although the mouse dips to 4000hz most of the time at 8khz. 10900k + b die

I don't know bro. But with in guildwars2,8k works best.

2023, Январь. Глядя это видео зашёл в CyberPunk 2077 работает отлично. Может не в играх дело а что-то обновилось в винде? П.С. специально скачал CS:GO никаких проблем. У меня Viper 8Khz П.П.С. Может Razer отключили эти 8 кГц,)

But your CPU utilization will be high with 4K or 8K

Asus Chakram X works great with OSRS

I have zero stuttering ever on 8khz

Works fine for me

i've had no problems with 4khz

Yea well. No problems here. Some hardware issue on your side must be.

bought it just cause i wanted a viper and the 8khz one was the only one available with a good deal set it to 1khz its a good mouse

I don't have these issues. I play CS:GO and don't experience this issue. If you like, ask me questions on hardware or software setted setttings.

I’ve been using 8KHz on my Viper since I picked it up all the way back in October 2021, and I haven’t had a single bout of stuttering. I have 0 idea why. The games I’ve played with it are: Warzone, MW 2019, Cold War, Vanguard, Crysis 2/3 Remastered, The Witcher 1, Control, Farcry 6, and Ghost Recon Breakpoint. I have double-checked for 8KHz in Synpase and it’s never left 8KHz. I don’t currently have Synapse installed anymore though. CPUs used alongside it: i7-10700KF, i9-10850K, i9-12900K. My power limits are always disabled, I always manually OC them to their limit depending on where the load voltage takes the temperature in Linpack, and whatever RAM kit I own at the time is also always peeked out depending on the capabilities of the board I’m using, and the memory controller of whatever particular chip I’m using. In terms of background apps, I usually AIO software open (RGB Fusion/Aorus Engine/iCUE), depending on which AIO I’m using, and pretty much nothing else in the background. The two boards I’ve used over the last few months have been the Z490 Aorus Master and the Strix Z690-F. I made sure to plug the Viper into one of the higher bandwidth USB ports on the rear I/O with both. Monitors I’ve used alongside it: Alienware AW3420DW, ASUS VG27AQ, Alienware AW2521HFL. Haven’t noticed any weirdness related to the refresh rate either. I’ve only used it on Windows 11 as well; not sure what other background I can give. But yeah, no weirdness on my side. Granted I don’t play CS anymore, I’ve never played Valorant, and I’ve never played R6S.

they should updated the software, whenthe game doesnt support 8khz they should change it to 1khz

are you a reviewer or pro player