Usually I totally agree with what you show and say - but sorry, this time I don't understand at all what you are demonstrating and don't agree at all with your rating. So, just my 2ct of other opinion ... ;-) I own since quite some while two of these stoves (both purchased on Amazon as iBasingo stoves), one for use in Europe and one for my travels in Asia, and I'm super happy with both of them. If I calculated right, I used them so far in total around 200 times for cooking meals. And I had never any problems. I have a lot of other stoves, mainly alcohol and wood stoves and some Esbit stoves, many self made and a lot of purchased ones, but currently this model is for sure my most used stove. I do generally use 99,98% Ethanol as fuel (what generates as per my experience and also theoretically most heat you can get out from an alcohol stove) and had never that flame pattern or sputtering you show here. Maybe you should try it again with any other fuel. And no idea whether you got a defective or clogged piece of burner or use the wrong alcohol for it, but my two stoves burn both like hell, start fast and show absolutely fine flames, have a very even flame pattern and provide great heat, just the right for my cooking purposes - means I do not simply boil water but use them for real cooking, always preparing complete and fresh meals. I do that outdoors as well as indoors (e.g. in hotel rooms) and it works great. So far I used these stoves between sea level and about 1.500m ASL and in temperature ranges between 3° and 42° Celsius, no problems at all. To put the lid in from the side is neither really possible nor meant to be the right use of the lid, just put it in from front as you finally demonstrated, and everything is easy-peacy going and totally fine. This lid is just meant to suffocate the flames, it is neither a simmer ring nor a closing lid which would enable you to keep remaining alcohol inside the burner during transport. No idea what is for you wrong with that concept, many other alcohol stoves come even totally without lid, and simmering works mainly with Trangia types of stoves but not with other models. If you want to simmer, just get you the right stove for that purpose, but don't use that as negative point for a stove cover which is not even meant to be used for that purpose and naturally doesn't support it. The stand is perfect, doesn't wobble and allows also bigger pots and pans to stand without tipping. I used also Hexamine tablets in the stand, works fine and can be recommended, and tried burning wood, what requires either very small pieces or long sticks which you put it from the side, but both variants end up in having quite some work since you have to permanently watch the flame and reload, so I would not recommend it for real cooking purpose (yet boiling water works, as you don't have to stir or so). I've even used the stand as rechaud by putting a little tea candle inside and the pot on top, worked also fine. Finally I used the stand also for some of my DIY beercan stoves in order to check that out, and that worked fantastically. The thing is, this stand is simply perfect for larger diameter pots or pans, which I definitely need and use for cooking. As I have different sizes of beercan stoves made from different cans I can use whatever I think is right in that stand and have the flame I want under the pot I want. So if you are not happy with the stove, just use any other stove which is per your experience or definition better in this stand, and be happy. That said: I have many stoves and stands and like to experiment with and use all of them every once in a while, and this is maybe not the best stove/stand combination ever, but to tell, never to buy or try it, does not fit at all to my experience. I really like these sets, and have nothing to complain about them.

Finally someone expresses the sentiment that emptying unused fuel from a stove when you finish is a bit of a pain. This is primarily why I’ve always been a die hard Trangia guy.

Contrary to the majority here, I got good results with this stove. My room temperature was 32C (89.6F), indoors, with no wind. I poured in 1oz (40ml) of 95% ethanol, lit it, placed two cups (500ml) of water in a stainless steel, thin walled Hario goose neck kettle (meant for pour over coffee), with the lid off, onto the stove and started the timer. The water came to a rolling boil in 5min 20sec, with plenty of fuel left. The flames from the outer ring of jets were developed while the inner ring had no flames. I have no idea why this stove worked for me.

I had just purchased this same stove to use as a backup burner in a small Lixada hinged twig stove. After seeing this video, I did my own test. I placed the burner in the alcohol adapter in the Lixada stove, filled with carefully measured 1floz of denatured alcohol and got a full rolling boil of 16 oz of 65 degF tap water indoors in 8 1/2 min. Full burn time was 10 1/2 min. Good blue flames. In the Lixada, the burner sits a little lower than the optimum 1 inch from the bottom of the pot, but the burner certainly seemed to perform adequately. Perhaps there is something about the windscreen that came with the stove tested that chokes off oxygen. It seems that there is not much side clearance between burner and windscreen. I suggest rerunning a test of the burner using a different potstand/windscreen, or using a different burner in the BV windscreen to determine which is the real problem.

I've got one of those stoves, I've been using it for about a year now. I really like it. The lid isn't a simmer ring, it's a snuffer for putting the flame out. I also use the windshield on its own for burning fuel tabs. It lives permanently in my brew kit.

Thanks, Ernie, saved me $35. was looking at buying this - nope. I have a couple Boundless items, one of them a stove, and liked them. So this was a real help.

I should have watched your review prior the purchase of that stove. Took it out today for the first time, it performed terribly. Your work is truly appreciated. Thank you.

there was a constant orange flame for the entirety of the burn, not enough O2. I would say try it with a homemade windscreen with holes in it but the burner itself is flawed so I expect there wouldn't be much of a difference. Thanks for the review.

I have been using that stove and stand for about a year now. I pair it with a 750ml Boundless Voyage pot / French Press. I really like mine. No problems getting water to a boil, but it is a bit of a fuel hog. I have never tried using the “lid” as a simmer ring, only as a sniffer. But I normally just let the stove burn out. Not easy to reclaim unburnt fuel. I figure that’s why it goes through so much.

I have used a lot of commercial alcohol stoves and have made and used even more. I’ve never seen anything perform this poorly. You could literally cut a cam at 2 inches high, pour some alcohol in it, light it, place it over the flame with a pot stand, and it would perform better than this stove. Sad!

I bought this combo and I have to say I like mine! It dose take a minute or so to prime but all in all it dose pretty well.

My latest stove kit/assembly has elements of old trusty goodness and some new, but it just works for me. I use the stand/windscreen for the Toaks Siphon stove, but with my Zelph Fancee Feest stove and my Toaks 750ml pot. I put the pot directly on the stove, and the windscreen fits perfectly around that stack, even with the pot handles out. Great at blocking wind and fits in the stuff sack with the pot (which everything else nests into).

My favourite alcohol stove and use it often is the toaks with its windshield. Lightweight, stable, fast, windproof and you can pour unused fluid back. Cheers for the honest review.

I have this stove and have tried modifying it but without much success. As others have pointed out, the ventilation holes on the bottom are blocked by the burner. I tried raising the burner slightly by fitting three 2mm-high bolts in three of the holes. The flame got maybe a bit less blue but was still too yellow, indicating insufficient oxygen. The burn behaviour was very similar when it was free-standing, outside the windshield. Looking closer at my burner (and also in your video) I noticed that the inner ring of jets don't seem to light at all. I suspect that although they are pushing out alcohol vapour, this is just getting burned as part of the central, yellow flame.

I think i would use the stand/windscreen as wood burning stove instead :)

The stand looks interesting, did you try any other burners with it?

I bought two stainless steel units that looked similar to that. A design loosely based on a Trangia. It burns about as well as yours did, both of them never really hit full bloom unless I shook the stove slightly. I feel they use a fibre stuffing in the interior that just doesn’t allow the vapour to flow properly. I can’t believe they would market that as a stove in titanium. I may tear apart that cheap stainless steel one to see if it has suspect packing material. I’ve made some home built ones with fibreglass as a packing material that work very well. Cheers!

Thank you! Almost bought this.

This stove is actually better off by itself outside of the windshield because it's not getting enough oxygen to fullybloom. I saw this same stove used on a Firebox Nano and it performed phenomenally superb fully bloomed and hot and boiled 250ml. Of water under 6 minutes. Or!?....you can just use an empty fancy feast cat food can for only $.80 cents which operates the same exact thing!

I'll stick with my good ol brass Trangia and stand with a wind screen works awesome and it's plenty light enough

Thanx Ernie, stay tickless.

Great video once again. I agree that's a cap and not a simmer ring. Ernie you have to check out the pill bottle stove.

Thanks Ernie for the review. I'll avoid this one.

6:01 "That is impressively bad." Thanks again for an honest review. I am looking forward to the next video.

Please have a look at the BRS booster +1 stove, I saw a video on it burning pure alcohol, or meth spirits, and I actually bought one that is a variation of it, and it does work very very well! They look a lot like those kovea multi fuel stoves, they come with an alcohol jet, and they just work! I tested it with 100% alcohol and with one of those butane canisters, and it works flawlessly with great simmer control! It is seriously impressive, and I haven't seen many videos on it

HA! HA! TOO LATE!! I bought that one thinking the same titanium attributes would be nice but came to the same conclusions!! The Pot stand isn't too bad but the stove sucks!! I ended up buying an Evernew! May use the pot stand in a pinch but I have other options now. Jeff

I appreciate the fact that when it’s bad, you say it’s bad. 👍

Would a trangia fit in the stand?

i got just the stand..... was fine, i made a bespoke fancyfeast type stove, works fine,and used it as a twig stove, also fine,

I had a similar experience with a Lixada Ti Alcohol stove recently. I sent it right back to Amazon.

J'ai le même et il est de loin plus performant que beaucoup d'autres ! Je ne sais pas ce qu'il utilise comme alcool mais ca video n'est pas juste. Un autre youtubeur a fait de vrais tests et l'a comparé à d'autres. Il est l'un des meilleurs.

You might consider the BRS-8B for a video. II love mine. Thank you.

Good vid. Watched The English woodsman used one and he managed to boil with his. Keep em coming. Your my go to stove guy. made one of your cat can stoves and it works great!

I have made alcohol stoves and still stand by Trangia. I must have missed the storage cap in the video. Still following your channel and dropped an email. Keep up the good work.

No damning with faint praise here 😊 Semper Fi

Many reviewers mistake "burner" for "stove". There IS a difference!! AND the same between simply BOILING and real COOKING.

I wonder how the stand will perform with another burner and with wood. You can buy the stand separate. If the stand works with another burner and with wood I would be interested.

I bought one of these a couple of months ago. Great weight, but the sputtering is very off putting.

I have the same burner. It also sputters like that and is a fuel hog. About the only thing it's good for is keeping things warm. Can of sterno works better.

Ugh. It is that bad. At least it lit, lol! The stand is cool i guess. I'd just build a CHS can stove to fit it.

These days, with "Fire burn Bans" being more common here in Canada [& USA], wood burning stoves are not really the way to go!

works fine to make coffe at home whit no electricity waste..😊

I wonder if it would have boiled the water better if you had let it bloom first, before putting the pot on top. Not having a screw on lid to carry the fuel in, is a minus point in my view.

have to try it with a trangia burner..

I'm betting this has no wick built into the walls. Plus the two rows of jets disrupt the proper flow of "vapor" which is what you need to mix with air and burn. Not a good design at all!

I've got this stove too and have the same problem, I think the stove lacks the wicking material that is fitted to trangia and evernew.

Between 130 and 150 is where I like my water to be for steeping tea and coffee. So, it seems that controlling the amount of fuel would be perfect for dialing in one's perfect cup, since the water didn't reach a boil on one Oz. Failing to reach a boil is not a total loss. I'd categorize it as purposeful. What is the total fuel capacity? How long does it burn from full? And, what temp does it reach from full. I would like to consider those factors before writing it off as only good for making a morning brew. Obviously, if you could swap out the burners, according to your intended purpose, it would be a good cooking system to build off of. I would really like to see how well the stand operates as a basic twig stove, Ernie. Could you demonstrate that? Is it viable as a twig stove?

I have a few items from Boundless Voyage, pots & canteen cups & they have been pretty good. I would like Trangia to make a Titanium version of there brass burner. I have three Trangia burners & I have bad crack’s in one of them.

Starving for oxygen. Crap windscreen/ stand. Try the burner in a different stand it might work better. Or, toss it and keep using the good old Trangia. Thanks for the intel on this turd.

You missed another pro for the stove, you won't burn your food. lol

Wonder if the Evernew or Trangia (or cat can stove, etc.) fit in the stove stand/windscreen thingy? If so, you should do a follow up video. Cuz I can see them selling just that part.

Wow. Impressively bad burner. I kinda like the stand because it can burn wood. I like to carry a stand that can burn wood in case I run out of alcohol. Since it would be hard to recover fuel from this, the snuffer is of questionable use. i was thinking I'd cut a big hole in the middle of it to simmer... but then you showed how low powered this was and it seemed to be in permanent simmer mode. Do they sell just the stand? Will it hold a trangia or the evernew? I've made many alcohol stoves, but none were this inefficient, although some were useless for other reasons. How can it consume so much alcohol and put so little heat into the pot? Thanks for the video.

I love the honest review. "Incredibly Bad." True non paid for review. Thank you

Can you use the stand with a different burner?

Hey Dr G. Did you ever try the cheese can stoves I sent you last year. Glad you're back. Tom

Sooo… I don’t think you understood how the lid functions as a simmer ring. You FLIP it over. The way the metal is recessed it partially blocks the inner burn holes while keeping the outer lit, diffusing heat, slowing fuel consumption, etc. would love to see a second review where you tried this.

It seems that stand is making more sense than stove. Can you make a video showing how to utilize The stand’s performance?

RIP.... found this after ordering

Amazing that a company would sell such a poorly designed stove that can't even equal the efficiency of a pop can or cat food can stove. Saving weight by using an alcohol stove means using the least amount of fuel to boil water. Thanks for a good review Ernie.

Is the stand available on it's own? Have you tested it with other burners or wood?

Do you think that materials, which retain more heat, are better suited for alcohol stoves? Say brass or stainless?

After trying the BCB foldable stove with gel Alcohol, all these complicated bulky designs for liquid alcohol, feel pointless. It's window resistance is excellent for such a compact design. I learned that even an altoids tin and three stones is a perfectly viable solution.

different opinions on this stove I guess if you have one and your happy with it there you go. I have several alcohol stoves and each preform diffently I guess each to there own some like it.

Yes it your opinion

Have you or will you try the windshield of this rig with a Trangia? Will a Trangia fit? The burner portion looks like a real dud though.

Not everything can be a winner. Try putting a Toaks siphon burner in the stand and see how that works

Fancy Feast stove still the Champ...

The real advantage of this stove is it works with the British mk1 crusader cup and stove, something a trangia can't do. Its more enclosed and if you just fill it up you won't have any trouble boiling. GOTTA TRY IT WITH A MK1 CRUSADER CUP, BEFORE YOU WRITE THIS STOVES EPITAPH!

Yeah but is it as bad as that one vargo thing, the triad or whatever? *That* one needed a burner under the burner to make it work, and then it just turned into a vapor bomb from boiling alky. Let's find out!

Cheers chap..

Olar meu parabéns

Damn, I bought this one..... before seeing this

Ya can’t win them all big guy. But still the best SEMPER FI

Thanks Doc. I'd like to find a lighter spirit burner option for my Trangia Mini. I had considered this one, but from your testing... Any suggestions on a titanium spirit burner that works well and will fit in the Mini?

Would the pot stand work with other alcohol burners?

I've noticed a big difference over the years between stuff designed in America and made in China and stuff designed in China and made in China. Sometimes even being copycats they still can't get it right.

Bam, pow, thud!

Watch SOLE TRAIL for a better test 😊

ok!

Cool, love it. I also have a new video out

To bad 😞

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Excellent review of a horrible design. It’s immediately apparent it’s starved for oxygen, at least that’s what it looks like to me. And why add a snuffer when making it into a true simmer ring is not that much more to do…sad. I hope you can send this back, I’d hate for you to have spent your own money on that! It’s not even good enough to be a paperweight! I’m a somewhat recent convert to alcohol stoves, it’s nice to sit back while the water is heating up for morning coffee and it’s just absolutely silent.

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I totally hate this stove!

a dud is a dud......

I can confirm the same poor performance, this thing is no bueno!

just no. so many of these stoves just don't work for really camping. if you are going primitive then a folding wood burning stove saves the ounces so you save pounds. if you have a base camp and more people the classic Coleman white fuel stove is a better bet. if you are looking at a bug out set up then fuel tabs are you way to go. i keep seeing videos of these stoves and just don't see why people get them. they do nothing better than other options.

What's the point of holes in the windscreen bottom for ventilation if the burner covers them? Typical copied tech. Take different ideas from other products and put them together in one, without any thought on how it's supposed to function. Seen it before in other products.

Lol. "Piss poor."

Wow what a horrible preforming stove

It's crap!

That big wind screen just sucks up too much heat I imagine

Yup…bad design as a combo! The stand seems to be nice for pot size…but the stove itself sits too deep inside the stand for it to have sufficient heat to boil water…the “summer ring”,IF advertised as such and not just a top for extinguishing…is horrible!