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Do privacy codes really encrypt my conversations? And if not, what do they actually do?

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AdventureCruiser

AdventureCruiser

Күн бұрын

In this video I attempt to explain when CT(CTCSS) and DCS Privacy tones are useful, and what they actually do.
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@liammwaghorn
@liammwaghorn 2 жыл бұрын
I thought I was gonna have to spend an hour figuring all this stuff out. After watching this, I think Im all good. Thank you!
@AdventureCruiser
@AdventureCruiser 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks, I’m so glad it helped.
@donalderickson-si8ww
@donalderickson-si8ww 15 күн бұрын
did you try and read the book it will tell you everything.
@Seb_Sacco
@Seb_Sacco 3 жыл бұрын
Great information. Thank you!
@donalderickson-si8ww
@donalderickson-si8ww Ай бұрын
with two radios set on the same code thay will only talk to each other on one else but eveyone that find's you will only hear you
@memouvm
@memouvm 3 жыл бұрын
Very clear information
@Elfnetdesigns
@Elfnetdesigns 2 жыл бұрын
Simple answer = NO, PL / DPL codes only filter off traffic and interference that is not intended for you.
@donalderickson-si8ww
@donalderickson-si8ww 6 ай бұрын
any one can hear you thay cant talk to you with out your code
@donalderickson-si8ww
@donalderickson-si8ww 6 ай бұрын
the privecy code does let anyone out side you group talk to you thay still hear you
@NoahThomas29
@NoahThomas29 2 жыл бұрын
ok so here is my question, how do you make it to where no body can here you? so lets say i go on a hiking trip with 4 people all with radios, and we want no one to here our chatter? how would you do this.
@AdventureCruiser
@AdventureCruiser 2 жыл бұрын
So the only way to do this is through encryption, but encrypted communications are banned by the FCC on FRS/GMRS/HAM frequencies. Depending on how far apart you plan on being from your group, there are devices made by GoTenna or Bear Tooth which allow you to text, talk and create a mesh network which is much harder to listen to. The other option is to get retired public safety radios, but that’s a huge undertaking unless you know somebody who is capable of programming those types of radios.
@rmetcalf89
@rmetcalf89 2 жыл бұрын
Get a commercial frequency license
@RKingis
@RKingis Жыл бұрын
Learn a new language!
@donalderickson-si8ww
@donalderickson-si8ww 6 ай бұрын
sorry that won't happen thay can still hear you just not interupt you that's all
@donalderickson-si8ww
@donalderickson-si8ww Ай бұрын
sorry only police radios can do that your code in to radios will talk to each other only but any one scanning the channels and hear's you can only hear you not talk to you
@ronmuller8437
@ronmuller8437 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks
@KARO69GRP
@KARO69GRP Жыл бұрын
Well then, privacy tones makes no sense to me. If it stops me from hearing other radio transmissions, then what if there's a bear on the trail up ahead and a third party transmits this information in the open, I'll never hear it, and I'll be ignorant of the danger that lies ahead and like all those people who are dropping dead because they took the axe-ins, when someone find my dead body they're gonna say, "Lemme guess, he had on privacy tones, right?"
@ThatGuy-fi9bm
@ThatGuy-fi9bm Жыл бұрын
If you are interested in hearing everything people have to say, you should also engage the scan function and it will sweep over the different channels to hear. Just imagine though, if there are 100 people talking at once, nobody can understand that, this is just a way to cut though if there is a ton of folks talking
@watchthewindblowby
@watchthewindblowby 9 ай бұрын
I agree. Privacy codes are dumb. You'd think it would be the opposite, making your conversation private. Totally useless in my opinion. But I don't mind if I hear some chatter.
@donalderickson-si8ww
@donalderickson-si8ww 6 ай бұрын
your right may be a good I dea to leave open by the way you need to be close a nuff to talk range on all frs radios is two miles then everyone can talk
@donalderickson-si8ww
@donalderickson-si8ww Күн бұрын
IF that happens you better hope everyone is less than a mile apart or there out of range
@leesweets4110
@leesweets4110 Жыл бұрын
I didnt realize encryption was an actual thing on these though. What sort of radio/setting allows for actual encryption?
@RKingis
@RKingis Жыл бұрын
DMR, and usually AES on analog.
@donalderickson-si8ww
@donalderickson-si8ww 15 күн бұрын
A POLICE RADIO IS ENCRYPTION not these.
@donalderickson-si8ww
@donalderickson-si8ww 12 күн бұрын
and the police have a fue encryption channel's so the news stations don't get the hole story that is why
@Minwary
@Minwary Жыл бұрын
Your analogy is more confusing than it is helpful. Good try though.
@david333-v8x
@david333-v8x Жыл бұрын
LOL i was about to comment the same thing 😂
@donalderickson-si8ww
@donalderickson-si8ww 6 ай бұрын
I have a G M R S license that is why I know and your lerning .
@mgkmn1
@mgkmn1 2 жыл бұрын
Hey question so connected my rocky talkie to retrevis rb19 and i can hear everything but can't talk back ,can you help ?
@AdventureCruiser
@AdventureCruiser 2 жыл бұрын
If you can hear on the rocky talkie but not on the retrevis that means that the PL, CT, DCS codes don’t match. Try setting them to zero on both radios first. Then go to the manuals for each and match the values of the code numbers, not just the numbers. I hope this helps.
@mgkmn1
@mgkmn1 2 жыл бұрын
@@AdventureCruiser how to set them to zero cause i have no idea
@AdventureCruiser
@AdventureCruiser 2 жыл бұрын
@@mgkmn1 I can’t tell you how to do it on your other radio, but from the factory Rocky Talkies have the right one set to 0 for the first 22 channels. Check out my other video titled “can I use my rocky talkie to talk with other radios?” It covers the how to.
@donalderickson-si8ww
@donalderickson-si8ww Ай бұрын
your answer is right you match the codes the same then it will work
@donalderickson-si8ww
@donalderickson-si8ww 12 күн бұрын
GET OUT THE BOOK AND READ IT IT WILL TELL YOU EVERYTHING GRASS HOPPER.
@donalderickson-si8ww
@donalderickson-si8ww Күн бұрын
SORRY only the polce can do that all the codes do is let the radio's talk to only each other you cant but in becouse you did not get the code at breffing this morning BUT YOU CAN HEAR THEM only P.S. why are we three years in the past
@Bowensfamily83
@Bowensfamily83 2 жыл бұрын
Are the t800s any good? I was thinking of using the text feature on a cruise? Will also pick up the rockies.
@AdventureCruiser
@AdventureCruiser 2 жыл бұрын
Great question, and while I also have a set of T800’s, I don’t have a lot of experience with them. As a rule, I’ve always been impressed with Motorola public safety radio, but found their programming to be very unfriendly. The same is true in my opinion for the T800. I attempted to set up two radios to share location and text abilities on a trip about a year ago. The friend I was working with gave up out of frustration so we scrapped the idea. I am sure lots of people have used them successfully, but I have not. Have you looked at the GoTenna system? I use the GoTenna Pro X public safety version, and have really enjoyed them. If you have three or more devices they create a mesh network, extending your range. Still not super simple, but purpose built for sharing location and text ability.
@AdventureCruiser
@AdventureCruiser 2 жыл бұрын
Just to be clear, I suggest you consider the GoTenna Mesh, not the Pro.
@Bowensfamily83
@Bowensfamily83 2 жыл бұрын
@@AdventureCruiser thanks. After I watched your video. I saw the gotenna mesh system. I think I will go with the Gotenna and the Rocky Talkies.
@AdventureCruiser
@AdventureCruiser 2 жыл бұрын
Oh very cool, please let me know how you like them. Safe travels.
@RKingis
@RKingis Жыл бұрын
The T800's are capped around 1watt on 1-7+15-22.
@AskIveSolar
@AskIveSolar 2 жыл бұрын
Ahahaha @ falling to sleep! Classic.
@cam_o_style91
@cam_o_style91 2 жыл бұрын
Pre set tones and pre set channels
@truesonic669
@truesonic669 9 ай бұрын
Then why is it called privacy then. Make no sense
@donalderickson-si8ww
@donalderickson-si8ww 6 ай бұрын
a ediet printed the box and did not understand any thing ok thay put 35 miles on package that on G M R S range
@donalderickson-si8ww
@donalderickson-si8ww 12 күн бұрын
selling point from corpert thay don't know eather I solved that problum I bought a radio that does not have all that nonsense we in the off road world don't need it you cant use it on G M R S anyway and where fine running 45 watt radios.
@truesonic669
@truesonic669 9 ай бұрын
All it does it suppress noise
@donalderickson-si8ww
@donalderickson-si8ww 6 ай бұрын
you are on a channel with code I scan the channels and fine you I will hear you but I don't have your I am out that is what it does
@uvdpuqhcpenfyalf
@uvdpuqhcpenfyalf 3 жыл бұрын
Just call it a filter.
@AdventureCruiser
@AdventureCruiser 3 жыл бұрын
That's a good thought, but still not completely accurate. A filter implies that it ONLY lets through what is supposed to get through. Once a privacy tone unlocks the squelch of a radio, it will let everything on that frequency through, regardless of the privacy tones being used. So it's really only a filter to initially open the squelch, but once it's open, its open.
@k9wlwradio309
@k9wlwradio309 2 жыл бұрын
@@AdventureCruiser not true. Remember these are shared channels with higher powered GMRS radios. If you are talking to another FRS radio and he is somewhat distant, and you are using a privacy squelch tone, a much stronger GMRS signal could key up on the same channel with another privacy code or even no privacy code and could completely override your other stations transmission. Since the overriding signal will mute your squelch you will suddenly hear nothing. A far better option is for everyone, including GMRS stations to NOT use privacy codes. You could then hear that your other station is getting "walked on" by the strong station and communicate with the interfering GMRS station. You could then break in and request your other party could move to a clearer channel. Additionally you might encounter electrical interference that can trash your ability to hear. With privacy codes you don't hear the interference because it would silence the speaker. With no privacy code you could hear the interference and search for a quieter channel. A good way to operate is with privacy codes off. Although filtering out the audio from undesired transmissions sounds nice, you could be muted by an stronger source of interference and NOT even be aware it is there. So in essence you are deaf AND unaware. A far better option is to use no codes and be aware. If a channel is busy, just break in and move to a quiet channel. As a rule of thumb, channels 8-14 are your best bet. GMRS radios (possible sources of interference) are limited to only half a watt on those channels. On channels 1-7 they are allowed 5 watts, and on channels 15-22 GMRS are allowed a full 50 watts. At that power level they might crush your low powered FRS signals. At least channels 8-14 levels the playing field with equal low power restrictions. Yes it is boring, but detecting and evading possible sources of interference is critical to maintaining effective radio communications. That said, I think the privacy codes are very misleading to every day consumers and are best not to be used.
@AdventureCruiser
@AdventureCruiser 2 жыл бұрын
@K9WLW Radio so, which part are you saying isn’t true? To some extent I think see what you’re saying about a more powerful and different PL closing the squelch of an FRS radio, but I’ve only seen that technology in public safety radios where they call it “reverse PL” where a PL or CTCSS/Dcs can not only open the squelch but more importantly, close it at the end of a transmission to presumably decrease the burst of static as your radio realizes it is no longer receiving a signal. I think I understand what you’re driving at, but in my experience I’ve had radios let in any transmission once the PL tone has opened the “door”. As a matter of fact, I experienced this today while in Moab and both transmissions were a little garbled from overlayed modulation, though the closer (I.e. more powerful station) prevailed, so I don’t really understand your issue with my summary. I agree that it would be most polite to not use a code, but my intent isn’t to rewrite the FCC rules or guidelines but rather explain what things do, and the biggest point I wanted to make is that Privacy Tones (or PL) really aren’t private. Sorry if we disagree on some of the details, but I think we can agree that the main point is that it isn’t private.
@user-fx5sw4jy7hYz9Hzi
@user-fx5sw4jy7hYz9Hzi 7 ай бұрын
PRIVACY TONE ISN'T PRIVATE. IT'S USELESS. DON'T USE IT
@AdventureCruiser
@AdventureCruiser 7 ай бұрын
Not entirely true. It’s absolutely not private, it doesn’t keep others from hearing you, but it does give you privacy in that it blocks much of the unwanted interference and conversations.
@donalderickson-si8ww
@donalderickson-si8ww 6 ай бұрын
you are right jest leave it off that's a stuped thing thay put in to confuse every one my radios dont have that becouse my radios are for off and I am on a repeter my base is 45 watts output
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