what do ya think of him compared to jesse romero? I like trent..hes cool

@@TheAdrian91706 Not too familiar with Jessse Romero's work so couldn't comment

I love Trent! I’m ready his book “ Why We’re Catholic”.

@@TheAdrian91706 jesse cannot stand in same sentence with trent in theological and aplogetics terms

Tim Staples trained Trent...Tim is the man!

I agree

Well said.

That's where I decided centuries of writings written by men who spent a lot more time studying(the apostolic father's) is like finding a cheat code l

Any updates on your journey? 🙏🏻

The main argument against the Catholic canon is from the apostle Paul who stated the Jews were entrusted with the oracles of God, which refers to the OT Scriptures. And no Jew ever embraced the Catholic OT canon, like they did the Protestant OT canon. Trent was not able to produce even a single ECF or early council prior to the fourth century that embraced all 46 books of the Catholic OT canon, while you can find both early Christians & Jews from antiquity that embraced all 39 books of the Protestant OT canon. That's why I began my debate quoting the Council of Trent, Catechism of the Catholic Church, and Dr. Anders from EWTN who all stated that the canon was passed down from Jesus & the apostles "hand to hand." IOW, it did not "develop" well into the church age the way contemporary Catholic apologists believe. The problem from the Catholic side is that the canon lists in the church age are inconsistent, except for their lists being identical or near identical to Protestant OT canons. For example, Baba Bathra 14b which is a second century written tradition enumerates EVERY book from the Protestant OT, but NONE from the Catholic OT. And this written dates its source back to Gamaliel from the book of Acts in the NT, who was the mentor of the apostle Paul. However, you don't get an IDENTICAL Catholic OT canon list until 1441.

I crossed the Tiber myself … evangelicals make the best Catholics :)

@@3leon306 I crossed the Tiber the other way. Ex-Catholics make the best evangelicals, because they know all the false narratives made by Rome, including their arguments about the canon.

@@BornAgainRN I’m well aware of the toxic stew of ego, resentment, and Jacobin rebelliousness that creates the kind of Protestant obscurantist “truth” you’re clinging to ... good luck.

HMMMMMMMMMMM

he really is a level-headed guy.

Why would an athiest have any interest in this debate?

@@gideondavid30 as someone who’s had a very long atheist phase, it isn’t surprising at all, especially if you’re interested in what intelligent people with other perspectives have to say, especially debates within that world of perspective

@@gideondavid30 atheists who are listening to people talk about their belief for God are in search of answers. Those who search for knowledge are open to God but are looking for convincing faith to ponder their value system. Every atheist who converts to Christianity is one who began their journey by learning more about God and why people have faith in him.

Sorry my friend he was on the defense the whole time. Unfortunately most of the time he couldn't answer directly though he is great at pacifying the topic without admission of a councils inability to define its inclusion of the apocryphal books.

@Prasanth Thomas where? Open yourr eyes and not your ears then? Lol Septuagint? Go to who held scriptures WAY prior to any catholic church? The Jews held the oracles and were responsible? Was there any of the extra books? NO! Did God forget somehow? Off course he forgot so catholic god could make corrections!!!! Lol Keep your extra books i have no problems with that? My opinion/s is as good as yours at every level. Sola Ecclesia!!! Lol

@Prasanth Thomas i use a dictionary does that make it God Breathed? Not all truth is God breathed Yes?? Lol So if they Quote from pagan writings that it is heretical so the writing is Scriptures? Lol Silly argumentations please comeback with more im thoroughly entertained 🤣!!! Congratulations on your conversion ! Cheers! That former catholic priest was just too learned for Mr Trent. SORRY!

@Prasanth Thomas obviously you would be the expert on human tendencies! Right? Adding Books, false doctrines (Marian WORSHIP, indulgences, purgatory, papal infallibility etc. Etc ) Yes please school me as you would be the expert on human tendencies. Lol. Just because he did know a source of an argumentative point does make an historical document God Breathed! Let alone win a debate? Almost every debate against catholic apologist no matter how embarrassingly one sided (not saying this debate in honesty) comes with a victorious outcry. I myself am a former catholic. My direct uncle is the former Arch Bishop of the Dolce Nombre De Maria Basilica on the island of Guam. Not hating just not in agreement teachings. Blessings.

@Prasanth Thomas I’m Protestant and I’ve watched both debates Steve Christie had with Trent Horn and Gary Michuta and I have to say that Steve Christie got SCHOOLED by Gary Michuta and Trent Horn. I told Steve Christie this and he got butthurt about it and started acting like a troll. William Albrecht has called him out for being a troll on the “Apocrypha Apocalypse” channel. Steve Christie’s KZfaq channel is @BornAgainRN Gary Michuta and Trent Horn both provided historical evidence that the ancient Pharisees accepted the Deuterocanon as inspired Scripture, but Steve Christie is still in denial about this. Steve Christie is a liar and a deceiver.

Thank you!

Precisely...protestants can not answer straight just making his own interpretation..

I highly doubt that.

Trent believes the church over the Bible. The Bible is subservient to the church! NO its the other way around!!!!! Staying put ,...I'm fine even more so!

@Idyllic 🍂 wait till you find out that, by your reasoning, every single Christian to ever exist until the 1500s was a pagan

@@simonfinley864 You highly doubt that he’s catholic?

@@simonfinley864 me too I saw many people lying like these They say i am Catholic now because of this Another video they say i am Catholic now because of that

Here if a cut-and-paste friendly challenge to my Catholic friends: Catholics reject Sola Scriptura, which I actually do not have a problem with. However, what do Catholics suggest that I do when their teachings directly contradict my Lord Jesus Christ? Shall I obey their gospel or follow the Bible? For example, Paul said, "Whoever calls upon the Name of the Lord shall be saved." When asked if Catholics agree with Paul, either they ignore these words of Paul or they disagree! Yet, no Catholic has ever been able to agree with Paul, for to do so means that they must give up their prized Catholic faith! Yet, what profit is your religion if you lose your eternal soul? Recently, one Catholic said, "Shall be saved is not the same as will be saved." Really? Is that the official Catholic 'translation' of this verse? You know, Catholics go on and on as to how I need their leaders to 'interpret' the Bible for me, yet they either ignore or deny the gospel! I pray for Catholics everywhere who are led astray from the pure, simple gospel message! For example, Jesus said, "How much more will My Father give the Holy Spirit to whoever asks of Him." Notice the ask-and-receive beauty of the gospel? That is, simply by asking, you will have rivers of living water bubbling up inside you unto eternal life, you will be a new creation, born again, and the Holy Spirit will bear witness that you are saved (Romans 8.16). Yet, Catholics say that you can have no assurance. Decide for yourself if you want Paul's gospel, where the Holy Spirit fills you and bears witness to your salvation or be a Catholic! Paul said, "Whoever preaches a different gospel, let him be accursed." Paul even stated that even if he, Paul, were to preach a different gospel, Paul should be accursed - how much more so your church leaders! Yet, the guile and dishonesty of the Catholic church is overbearing for some! That is, they say that I simply am not able to understand these simple words of the Lord. Is it really that complicated? Catholics, are you listening? Watch how your leaders answer (or don't answer) this post. They will either deny Paul's gospel or they will ignore it. Yet, no Catholic can agree with Paul! That is because the Catholic gospel is, "Whoever calls upon the Name of the Lord, is baptized in our church, and takes our communion MIGHT be saved." What can you expect from them? They will quote verses to support how you need communion or baptism to be saved. Yet, they will either ignore or deny the gospel according to Paul. Yes or no, my Catholic friend: "Whoever calls upon the Name of the Lord shall be saved." Will you deny, ignore, or embrace the gospel? Jesus Christ is the light of the world.

You’re grabbing single verses and not looking at the whole context.. this is old.

Why?

+1 to @Noel Tan 's question of why?

@@noeltan1455 I'm not sure if this is exactly what Sam meant but I'm assuming it's the overly explicit prophecy about Christ.

@@renjithjoseph7135 Just tagging you so you get the notification

@@josephgoemans6948 Right, basically that whole chapter is a Messianic Prophecy. It is so explicit that it is Impressive that Protestants reject that as the Word of God, I mean if that is not Inspired by God, then by whom? I really believe that the Holy Spirit has led perfectly his church as Christ promised.

Horne is great, but there are others I find even deeper thinkers like Father Spitzer

wow. that's great

@@zwijac " don't think I have come to abolish the law, no, but to fulfill it. Not one letter of the law will be erased until the end of time"

@@thecatholicrabbi4170 christ is the end of the law for righteousness for everyone that belive Rom 10 , 4

Here if a cut-and-paste friendly challenge to my Catholic friends: Catholics reject Sola Scriptura, which I actually do not have a problem with. However, what do Catholics suggest that I do when their teachings directly contradict my Lord Jesus Christ? Shall I obey their gospel or follow the Bible? For example, Paul said, "Whoever calls upon the Name of the Lord shall be saved." When asked if Catholics agree with Paul, either they ignore these words of Paul or they disagree! Yet, no Catholic has ever been able to agree with Paul, for to do so means that they must give up their prized Catholic faith! Yet, what profit is your religion if you lose your eternal soul? Recently, one Catholic said, "Shall be saved is not the same as will be saved." Really? Is that the official Catholic 'translation' of this verse? You know, Catholics go on and on as to how I need their leaders to 'interpret' the Bible for me, yet they either ignore or deny the gospel! I pray for Catholics everywhere who are led astray from the pure, simple gospel message! For example, Jesus said, "How much more will My Father give the Holy Spirit to whoever asks of Him." Notice the ask-and-receive beauty of the gospel? That is, simply by asking, you will have rivers of living water bubbling up inside you unto eternal life, you will be a new creation, born again, and the Holy Spirit will bear witness that you are saved (Romans 8.16). Yet, Catholics say that you can have no assurance. Decide for yourself if you want Paul's gospel, where the Holy Spirit fills you and bears witness to your salvation or be a Catholic! Paul said, "Whoever preaches a different gospel, let him be accursed." Paul even stated that even if he, Paul, were to preach a different gospel, Paul should be accursed - how much more so your church leaders! Yet, the guile and dishonesty of the Catholic church is overbearing for some! That is, they say that I simply am not able to understand these simple words of the Lord. Is it really that complicated? Catholics, are you listening? Watch how your leaders answer (or don't answer) this post. They will either deny Paul's gospel or they will ignore it. Yet, no Catholic can agree with Paul! That is because the Catholic gospel is, "Whoever calls upon the Name of the Lord, is baptized in our church, and takes our communion MIGHT be saved." What can you expect from them? They will quote verses to support how you need communion or baptism to be saved. Yet, they will either ignore or deny the gospel according to Paul. Yes or no, my Catholic friend: "Whoever calls upon the Name of the Lord shall be saved." Will you deny, ignore, or embrace the gospel? Jesus Christ is the light of the world.

I am not sure which side of the question you favor, but One thing is true. When I see a long diatribe not broken down into paragraphs or bullet points, I just will not read it. It becomes gobbledegook. EVERYONE, please break up your comments to be inevitable to readers.

Btw, the Papacy is not what defines the Catholic Faith.

You are right kirito kun

Purdy Persuasive † it IS Christianity. Every other Church broke off the Mother Church is not in the fullness of the Faith. You are right.

Barely Protestant what defines catholic church includes every single point and without a pope there is no catholicism. Christ Himself wanted a shepherd for His Church. Peter was chosen to be that shepherd and therefore the seat of Peter is honored. There can be bad popes and saintly popes but not one single pope has the right or authority to change the teachings. Check out what the Magisterium of the Catholic Church is.

@@ilonkastille2993 nope, you're wrong. The Papacy is an innovation.

Trent is good, but the other dudes a nurse. He shouldn't have had that much trouble.

@@MegaRoadwolf Trent is good, but the other dudes a nurse. He shouldn't have had that much trouble. DM-Simplistic arguments are difficult to disprove. For example, I heard the nurse say that the Catholic Church teaches that the canon was handed down by Jesus Christ through the Apostles. Which is true. But, for those of us who study Catholic Teaching, we understand that this is an allegorical reference to the fact that the Catholic Church had to sift through thousands of books to determine which were actually authored by Apostles and their disciples. In a verbal debate, which one looks like the slam dunk and which one looks like an excuse? All we can rely upon is the fact is that the truth is true whether anyone believes it or not.

Strawman opponent.

Melito of Sardis, 2nd century bishop.

@@Serquss Well, that's not fair. Steve didn't know the answer, but that doesn't mean there isn't one. I am catholic, but there are definitely Christian thinkers - even saints - who didn't hold the view that the Church's magisterium has confirmed as the correct one on this. St Jerome, St Melito of Sardis and St Gregory the Great all did not hold the deuterocanon as inspired scripture.

@@grzesiekzdomeyko9707 his included Wisdom.

Serquss there were also early church fathers who did not believe in Hebrews, James, Jude and Revelation. Origen is one of them. Origen didn’t believe in the books I just said above, but he wanted to include The Shepherd of Hermas in the canon. This is why you can’t believe everything the church fathers say because there were false teachers back then even when the Apostles were still alive. Read Jude 1:4 and 2 Peter 2:1

@@AnimalLover-yi5ik we use the Church Fathers' beliefs as evidence, taken with a grain of salt, not proof. The note Fathers in unison, the more likely it is the Truth.

protestantism opetates by tradition in every aspect, imposing artificial interpretation on Scripture in order to legitimize their doctrines... it's totally deceptive and disgusting...

Yeah, Protestants have plenty of traditions, most of them in contradiction to Catholicism and then claim they don't have any traditions and are "bible only."

@Don Espoleto yes, isnt that odd

And the irony is that most of them claim that Jesus is there only mediator, their savior and they’ll quote John 14:6

@@silveriorebelo8045 it's not disgusting but it is deceptive

That’s a very important point, my friend!!! 👏👏👏 Thanks so much!

What's funny here is that Protestant cling to scripture alone principle but did not realised when they disagree on one thing they'll end up forming another denomination of church/es. Scripture alone does not even found in the Sacred Scripture whether implicit or explicit in the full context of the Gospel. 44% of the Fathers? as if you knew about the Fathers? if you knew them then you would have changed your personal opinion on scripture. The first 400 years of Christianity there was no NT, that you'll have to wrestle with. Catholics understood that Protestantism follow the Hebrew list of scripture as if there was a such; which according to the dead sea scroll there was no approved nor agreed cannon by the Jews. Oh! The original KJV included the 7 books yet protestants despised them because it's one of the Achilles hills of the protestantism. Finally, what I notice protestants always cite the Church fathers but those names they often mentioned were either Bishops of the first century or great Saints in the Catholic Church: Just a brotherly caution, Napoleon tried to destroy the Church, Emporors, the Jews, Hitlers even Bishops and we are still seeing that today and we Catholics are truly cautious what is happening in the Holy Mother Church as these has been foretold by the Blessed Mother whom She appears in Fatima, Akita, Guadalupe, America, La Sallete, Philippines and many parts of the world, the message is the same. How cool to be in the Church founded by Jesus Christ -a complete story of a Family!

@@Rob-mr1vk well some people dont want to be part of Gods family. Soo many prodigal sons we have to pray for.

First, I appreciate that you broke your comment into readable text. I hate text that is one massive paragraph. Now my comment...The necessity of your response to the question was necessary. Most of the time I find the kind of typical Protestant answer which is only "partially" true. In this case, it was not even partially true.

Amen

You cannot possibly say that if you know ANYTHING about the horrific murderous, sexually immoral popes and church leadership over centuries since Constantine merged paganism from Rome into Christianity birthing the RCC. That organization is absolutely NOT the church Christ founded. Please do your research.

kk doc. Please do your research. If you would have researched you would have know that the only thing Constantine did was legalize Catholicism for the people under his rule. Many Christians at the time were being mistreated and all Constantine did was make the religion a recognized by law and therefore protecting Catholics from all sort of abuse. Constantine did not create the Catholic Church religion. You heard this from someone and YOU DID NOT research. Hypocrite

@@donjon2023 just like most Catholics I talk to. Arrogant, self righteous and nasty name callers. Assuming that I have not done any research is a bit disingenuous and reflects your confirmation bias in order to twist history. Sorry but I would prefer to have a dialogue with a fellow Christian in order to discuss facts. You don’t fit into that category mainly because Jesus would not respond to me the way you have. I suggest you read the sermon on the mount again about humility. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/mrSCjdGiyNiZkoU.html

kk doc. You call that link you gave me research? Give me a break. You can research better than that.

Actually not-"Then what advantage does the Jew have? Or what is the benefit of circumcision? 2 Great in every respect. First, that they were entrusted with the actual words of God." Romans 3

@@Justas399 That the Jews had the words of God says neither (1) which books contain them or (2) which words they accept or reject (such as Romans itself...)

@@AveChristusRex Paul is referring the OT.

@Phil Andrew If they were entrusted with the Scriptures then they would know what all the Scriptures were in the OT.

@Phil Andrew What Jews at the time of Christ asserted that the Song of Songs or Esther was not Scripture? Who were they and where can I see their writings that assert this?

Did your self reply??? 0_o

Aeroedge 😂

Us ex-catholics who became evangelical, then returned to the Catholic Church again.....only to return to the evangelical church.....are pretty good

So I'm gonna be a really good Catholic, since I was an anti-Catholicism Protestant! haha

Lol I’m an ex-protestant becoming a Catholic but i was raised by an ex-Catholic protestant 😂🤣😂

Thanks for your testimony

Here if a cut-and-paste friendly challenge to my Catholic friends: Catholics reject Sola Scriptura, which I actually do not have a problem with. However, what do Catholics suggest that I do when their teachings directly contradict my Lord Jesus Christ? Shall I obey their gospel or follow the Bible? For example, Paul said, "Whoever calls upon the Name of the Lord shall be saved." When asked if Catholics agree with Paul, either they ignore these words of Paul or they disagree! Yet, no Catholic has ever been able to agree with Paul, for to do so means that they must give up their prized Catholic faith! Yet, what profit is your religion if you lose your eternal soul? Recently, one Catholic said, "Shall be saved is not the same as will be saved." Really? Is that the official Catholic 'translation' of this verse? You know, Catholics go on and on as to how I need their leaders to 'interpret' the Bible for me, yet they either ignore or deny the gospel! I pray for Catholics everywhere who are led astray from the pure, simple gospel message! For example, Jesus said, "How much more will My Father give the Holy Spirit to whoever asks of Him." Notice the ask-and-receive beauty of the gospel? That is, simply by asking, you will have rivers of living water bubbling up inside you unto eternal life, you will be a new creation, born again, and the Holy Spirit will bear witness that you are saved (Romans 8.16). Yet, Catholics say that you can have no assurance. Decide for yourself if you want Paul's gospel, where the Holy Spirit fills you and bears witness to your salvation or be a Catholic! Paul said, "Whoever preaches a different gospel, let him be accursed." Paul even stated that even if he, Paul, were to preach a different gospel, Paul should be accursed - how much more so your church leaders! Yet, the guile and dishonesty of the Catholic church is overbearing for some! That is, they say that I simply am not able to understand these simple words of the Lord. Is it really that complicated? Catholics, are you listening? Watch how your leaders answer (or don't answer) this post. They will either deny Paul's gospel or they will ignore it. Yet, no Catholic can agree with Paul! That is because the Catholic gospel is, "Whoever calls upon the Name of the Lord, is baptized in our church, and takes our communion MIGHT be saved." What can you expect from them? They will quote verses to support how you need communion or baptism to be saved. Yet, they will either ignore or deny the gospel according to Paul. Yes or no, my Catholic friend: "Whoever calls upon the Name of the Lord shall be saved." Will you deny, ignore, or embrace the gospel? Jesus Christ is the light of the world.

@@kenshiloh Yet Jesus Himself said, Those who call upon Lord Lord will not enter the Kingdom of Heaven!! Also.. By saying that do you mind the heresies and heretics who do accept Jesus as Lord and call upon Him but Reject certain Holy doctrines..!? Also What about when Jesus rebukes those on His Left who did MIRACLES (which u do need faith for) as I DONT KNOW YOU!! But applauded those on His right who DID some works!! So possibly RECONSIDER YOUR INTERPRETATION OF THE BIBLE (among the other 5000) God Bless!!

@@4thlegion253 Hi. Paul wrote that whoever calls upon the Name of the Lord shall be saved. That obviously implies that Christ is Lord of their life, that the "pure in heart shall see God." Yet, simply by asking, you can receive the Holy Spirit. Do you agree with that? Jesus said, "How much more will My Father give the Holy Spirit to whoever asks of Him." He said, "Ask and you shall receive." That is the beauty and simplicity of the gospel! On the night I met the Lord, I was soundly saved and forever! In fact, in 44 years, I have not had even one second of doubt that I know the Lord and am bound for heaven - not even for a second! Is that not Scriptural? Paul wrote, "The Holy Spirit bears witness with our spirit that we are the children of God." Do not forget the qualifier, "If indeed the Holy Spirit dwells within you." Do you have the witness of the Holy Spirit that you are saved? That is Biblical salvation! Moreover, referring to the Holy Spirit, Jesus said, "Whoever believes in Me shall have rivers of living water bubbling up inside of him." Do you have that river of life, the witness of the Spirit? If not, then you are not believing on Christ unto salvation! Furthermore, if you do not know the Lord (simply by asking!), then He will say to you, "Depart from Me; I never knew you." Do you know the Lord? I hope that you will have a personal encounter with the God of the universe! Jesus Christ is the light of the world.

Here if a cut-and-paste friendly challenge to my Catholic friends: Catholics reject Sola Scriptura, which I actually do not have a problem with. However, what do Catholics suggest that I do when their teachings directly contradict my Lord Jesus Christ? Shall I obey their gospel or follow the Bible? For example, Paul said, "Whoever calls upon the Name of the Lord shall be saved." When asked if Catholics agree with Paul, either they ignore these words of Paul or they disagree! Yet, no Catholic has ever been able to agree with Paul, for to do so means that they must give up their prized Catholic faith! Yet, what profit is your religion if you lose your eternal soul? Recently, one Catholic said, "Shall be saved is not the same as will be saved." Really? Is that the official Catholic 'translation' of this verse? You know, Catholics go on and on as to how I need their leaders to 'interpret' the Bible for me, yet they either ignore or deny the gospel! I pray for Catholics everywhere who are led astray from the pure, simple gospel message! For example, Jesus said, "How much more will My Father give the Holy Spirit to whoever asks of Him." Notice the ask-and-receive beauty of the gospel? That is, simply by asking, you will have rivers of living water bubbling up inside you unto eternal life, you will be a new creation, born again, and the Holy Spirit will bear witness that you are saved (Romans 8.16). Yet, Catholics say that you can have no assurance. Decide for yourself if you want Paul's gospel, where the Holy Spirit fills you and bears witness to your salvation or be a Catholic! Paul said, "Whoever preaches a different gospel, let him be accursed." Paul even stated that even if he, Paul, were to preach a different gospel, Paul should be accursed - how much more so your church leaders! Yet, the guile and dishonesty of the Catholic church is overbearing for some! That is, they say that I simply am not able to understand these simple words of the Lord. Is it really that complicated? Catholics, are you listening? Watch how your leaders answer (or don't answer) this post. They will either deny Paul's gospel or they will ignore it. Yet, no Catholic can agree with Paul! That is because the Catholic gospel is, "Whoever calls upon the Name of the Lord, is baptized in our church, and takes our communion MIGHT be saved." What can you expect from them? They will quote verses to support how you need communion or baptism to be saved. Yet, they will either ignore or deny the gospel according to Paul. Yes or no, my Catholic friend: "Whoever calls upon the Name of the Lord shall be saved." Will you deny, ignore, or embrace the gospel? Jesus Christ is the light of the world.

Listen again, you missed some.

No, the Holy Spirit guides the believer into all truth through systematic study of scripture. Too easy.

Canonizing the Apocrypha 1500 years later than the original 66 is not an example of being CONSISTENT. The Roman church has bogus books in its "Bible."

@@danielcristancho3738 ayesha, but there argument was no need to formalize it because no heretic challenged it.

@@gideondavid30 the Holy Spirit does guide the laity, but Christ bestowed the authority of teaching on dogmatic issues to the apostles only. Jesus didn’t say this to disciples in general … Jesus says it specifically to the apostles he chose. And Luke 22:31-32 Jesus tells Peter that Satan would assault you (plural - all the apostles) who would lead Christ’s church, but that Jesus was praying for you (singular) Peter that when you turn back (from betraying Christ) that his faith would be strong enough to support the rest of the other apostles. This passage shows how Jesus was providing Peter with his primacy. As it was done during the argument when the apostles were trying to get Jesus to say who among them was the greatest. John 16:12 Jesus tells the apostles that he has more to teach them than they could bear. But that the Holy Spirit would guide them as leaders of his church. Jesus did not say this to common followers, he said it only to the apostles who he said would teach others (laity) of the church. The discerning of new teachings for the church however is with the apostles and their successors the bishops.

amen, brother!

Yes please!

@@MajorasTime to be fair , Orthodoxy hasn’t engaged in apologetics for centuries, having said that it is my belief that the biggest difference is the papacy of the modern Catholic Church vs the Orthodox view of the primacy of the See of St. Peter. And that includes dogma like papal infallibility and Supremacy of the bishop of Rome over all other bishops.

@@unam9931 papal infallibility? Where is that from? It’s one thing to unite behind the see of St Peter, it’s a wholly different thing to claim infallibility for the chair.

@@EricAlHarb And that Mary was born without sin. Catholics: Mary born without sin Orthodox: Mary born with sin The Doctrine of the Immaculate Conception

@@joeykordahi9927 I actually don’t consider the Marian dogmas contentious, if the papacy is figured out everything flows from there.

That’s definitely correct, my friend: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medo-Babylonian_conquest_of_the_Assyrian_Empire

It says he rules from Ninevah. That is inaccurate. He ruled from Babylon.

@@davidanderson6055 For one, having conquered Assyria he would've ruled over Assyria. But I'll do you one better: according to Judith 4:3, the story is set shortly after the jews returned from some sort of captivity. If this is the return from the Babylonian exile around 537 BC (strongly implied by Judith 5:17-19), by that time said Nebuchadnezzar II was dead, so the book is likely not referencing the same guy that everyone recognizes from Daniel. Cyrus had conquered Babylon in 539, after which the Jews were allowed to return to Israel, and Ezra even mentions Assyrians helping with construction. So the Babylonians weren't really a thing in that time but the Assyrians were. An intriguing theory is that this Nebu was an Armenian claiming to be Nabonidus's son and actually called himself Nebuchadnezzar (IV) though his name was Arakha, and he was seeking to reestablish the Babylonian empire. In the rebellion, Nebu IV would take over Babylon while his general (Holofernes) would take over Assyria and Palestine. After Judith killed Holofernes, Nebu IV's rebellion broke apart and Darius conquered Babylon again. This would seem to correlate with Darius's Behistun inscription.

There are tons of documents historically that equate Assyrians and Babylonians etc. with each other. That argument is nonsensical. Xenophon for example.

Here if a cut-and-paste friendly challenge to my Catholic friends: Catholics reject Sola Scriptura, which I actually do not have a problem with. However, what do Catholics suggest that I do when their teachings directly contradict my Lord Jesus Christ? Shall I obey their gospel or follow the Bible? For example, Paul said, "Whoever calls upon the Name of the Lord shall be saved." When asked if Catholics agree with Paul, either they ignore these words of Paul or they disagree! Yet, no Catholic has ever been able to agree with Paul, for to do so means that they must give up their prized Catholic faith! Yet, what profit is your religion if you lose your eternal soul? Recently, one Catholic said, "Shall be saved is not the same as will be saved." Really? Is that the official Catholic 'translation' of this verse? You know, Catholics go on and on as to how I need their leaders to 'interpret' the Bible for me, yet they either ignore or deny the gospel! I pray for Catholics everywhere who are led astray from the pure, simple gospel message! For example, Jesus said, "How much more will My Father give the Holy Spirit to whoever asks of Him." Notice the ask-and-receive beauty of the gospel? That is, simply by asking, you will have rivers of living water bubbling up inside you unto eternal life, you will be a new creation, born again, and the Holy Spirit will bear witness that you are saved (Romans 8.16). Yet, Catholics say that you can have no assurance. Decide for yourself if you want Paul's gospel, where the Holy Spirit fills you and bears witness to your salvation or be a Catholic! Paul said, "Whoever preaches a different gospel, let him be accursed." Paul even stated that even if he, Paul, were to preach a different gospel, Paul should be accursed - how much more so your church leaders! Yet, the guile and dishonesty of the Catholic church is overbearing for some! That is, they say that I simply am not able to understand these simple words of the Lord. Is it really that complicated? Catholics, are you listening? Watch how your leaders answer (or don't answer) this post. They will either deny Paul's gospel or they will ignore it. Yet, no Catholic can agree with Paul! That is because the Catholic gospel is, "Whoever calls upon the Name of the Lord, is baptized in our church, and takes our communion MIGHT be saved." What can you expect from them? They will quote verses to support how you need communion or baptism to be saved. Yet, they will either ignore or deny the gospel according to Paul. Yes or no, my Catholic friend: "Whoever calls upon the Name of the Lord shall be saved." Will you deny, ignore, or embrace the gospel? Jesus Christ is the light of the world.

Only 16% of the world identifies as atheist. Christianity 2.382 billion 31.0% Islam 1.907 billion 24.9% Secular[a]/Nonreligious[b]/Agnostic/Atheist 1.193 billion 15.58% Hinduism 1.161 billion 15.2% Buddhism 506 million 6.6% Can't blame you for being worried we are running up the ranks.

Here if a cut-and-paste friendly challenge to my Catholic friends: Catholics reject Sola Scriptura, which I actually do not have a problem with. However, what do Catholics suggest that I do when their teachings directly contradict my Lord Jesus Christ? Shall I obey their gospel or follow the Bible? For example, Paul said, "Whoever calls upon the Name of the Lord shall be saved." When asked if Catholics agree with Paul, either they ignore these words of Paul or they disagree! Yet, no Catholic has ever been able to agree with Paul, for to do so means that they must give up their prized Catholic faith! Yet, what profit is your religion if you lose your eternal soul? Recently, one Catholic said, "Shall be saved is not the same as will be saved." Really? Is that the official Catholic 'translation' of this verse? You know, Catholics go on and on as to how I need their leaders to 'interpret' the Bible for me, yet they either ignore or deny the gospel! I pray for Catholics everywhere who are led astray from the pure, simple gospel message! For example, Jesus said, "How much more will My Father give the Holy Spirit to whoever asks of Him." Notice the ask-and-receive beauty of the gospel? That is, simply by asking, you will have rivers of living water bubbling up inside you unto eternal life, you will be a new creation, born again, and the Holy Spirit will bear witness that you are saved (Romans 8.16). Yet, Catholics say that you can have no assurance. Decide for yourself if you want Paul's gospel, where the Holy Spirit fills you and bears witness to your salvation or be a Catholic! Paul said, "Whoever preaches a different gospel, let him be accursed." Paul even stated that even if he, Paul, were to preach a different gospel, Paul should be accursed - how much more so your church leaders! Yet, the guile and dishonesty of the Catholic church is overbearing for some! That is, they say that I simply am not able to understand these simple words of the Lord. Is it really that complicated? Catholics, are you listening? Watch how your leaders answer (or don't answer) this post. They will either deny Paul's gospel or they will ignore it. Yet, no Catholic can agree with Paul! That is because the Catholic gospel is, "Whoever calls upon the Name of the Lord, is baptized in our church, and takes our communion MIGHT be saved." What can you expect from them? They will quote verses to support how you need communion or baptism to be saved. Yet, they will either ignore or deny the gospel according to Paul. Yes or no, my Catholic friend: "Whoever calls upon the Name of the Lord shall be saved." Will you deny, ignore, or embrace the gospel? Jesus Christ is the light of the world.

@@kenshiloh "However, what do Catholics suggest that I do when their teachings directly contradict my Lord Jesus Christ?" What you mean to say is Catholics interpret Scripture different than you. I'm pointing out here that you are assuming that how you interpret scripture is the correct way and therefore your interpretation is "God's Word" ....and therefore disagreeing with your interpretation is to disagree with "God's Word". Well, thats kind of the point Ken. When we ask that, then what we discover is that no one taught the Protestant understanding of Scripture in the early church. Which means that the Protestant understanding isn't Apostolic (from the Apostles) because if it were then there would be witnesses to it and so far no one has found an instance of any early church father teaching the Protestant view on the verses that separate us. This precludes the possibility that the interpretation you hold is what God's Word means. They do, however, unanimously teach the Catholic view and that means it can be traced to the Apostles and all the men that act as witnesses on the matter fulfil the Biblical litmus test of establishing matters by witness attestation. Deuteronomy 19:15 "Every matter must be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses." 2 Corinthians 13:1 "Every matter must be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses." Matthew 18:16 But if they will not listen, take one or two others along, so that 'every matter may be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses.' So, if you think you can drop a verse on the Church that wrote and compiled scripture and who can trace its teachings to the Apostles through witnesses then that just tells us that you've never bothered to question your own religion which was invented some time after the 16th century. In short, Paul doesn't teach what you think he teaches and we know that because of the early witnesses.

This is pretty cool

This is really interesting. My WELS pastor says that the idea that we should read the seven books is nonsense.

What denomination of Lutheran?

As the first true protestants, what the hell happened to the other denominations that dropped these books?

@@ashleyjones6888 today protestants followers bcame followers of pastors not Christ ,due to busy lifestyle.

Here if a cut-and-paste friendly challenge to my Catholic friends: Catholics reject Sola Scriptura, which I actually do not have a problem with. However, what do Catholics suggest that I do when their teachings directly contradict my Lord Jesus Christ? Shall I obey their gospel or follow the Bible? For example, Paul said, "Whoever calls upon the Name of the Lord shall be saved." When asked if Catholics agree with Paul, either they ignore these words of Paul or they disagree! Yet, no Catholic has ever been able to agree with Paul, for to do so means that they must give up their prized Catholic faith! Yet, what profit is your religion if you lose your eternal soul? Recently, one Catholic said, "Shall be saved is not the same as will be saved." Really? Is that the official Catholic 'translation' of this verse? You know, Catholics go on and on as to how I need their leaders to 'interpret' the Bible for me, yet they either ignore or deny the gospel! I pray for Catholics everywhere who are led astray from the pure, simple gospel message! For example, Jesus said, "How much more will My Father give the Holy Spirit to whoever asks of Him." Notice the ask-and-receive beauty of the gospel? That is, simply by asking, you will have rivers of living water bubbling up inside you unto eternal life, you will be a new creation, born again, and the Holy Spirit will bear witness that you are saved (Romans 8.16). Yet, Catholics say that you can have no assurance. Decide for yourself if you want Paul's gospel, where the Holy Spirit fills you and bears witness to your salvation or be a Catholic! Paul said, "Whoever preaches a different gospel, let him be accursed." Paul even stated that even if he, Paul, were to preach a different gospel, Paul should be accursed - how much more so your church leaders! Yet, the guile and dishonesty of the Catholic church is overbearing for some! That is, they say that I simply am not able to understand these simple words of the Lord. Is it really that complicated? Catholics, are you listening? Watch how your leaders answer (or don't answer) this post. They will either deny Paul's gospel or they will ignore it. Yet, no Catholic can agree with Paul! That is because the Catholic gospel is, "Whoever calls upon the Name of the Lord, is baptized in our church, and takes our communion MIGHT be saved." What can you expect from them? They will quote verses to support how you need communion or baptism to be saved. Yet, they will either ignore or deny the gospel according to Paul. Yes or no, my Catholic friend: "Whoever calls upon the Name of the Lord shall be saved." Will you deny, ignore, or embrace the gospel? Jesus Christ is the light of the world.

Here if a cut-and-paste friendly challenge to my Catholic friends: Catholics reject Sola Scriptura, which I actually do not have a problem with. However, what do Catholics suggest that I do when their teachings directly contradict my Lord Jesus Christ? Shall I obey their gospel or follow the Bible? For example, Paul said, "Whoever calls upon the Name of the Lord shall be saved." When asked if Catholics agree with Paul, either they ignore these words of Paul or they disagree! Yet, no Catholic has ever been able to agree with Paul, for to do so means that they must give up their prized Catholic faith! Yet, what profit is your religion if you lose your eternal soul? Recently, one Catholic said, "Shall be saved is not the same as will be saved." Really? Is that the official Catholic 'translation' of this verse? You know, Catholics go on and on as to how I need their leaders to 'interpret' the Bible for me, yet they either ignore or deny the gospel! I pray for Catholics everywhere who are led astray from the pure, simple gospel message! For example, Jesus said, "How much more will My Father give the Holy Spirit to whoever asks of Him." Notice the ask-and-receive beauty of the gospel? That is, simply by asking, you will have rivers of living water bubbling up inside you unto eternal life, you will be a new creation, born again, and the Holy Spirit will bear witness that you are saved (Romans 8.16). Yet, Catholics say that you can have no assurance. Decide for yourself if you want Paul's gospel, where the Holy Spirit fills you and bears witness to your salvation or be a Catholic! Paul said, "Whoever preaches a different gospel, let him be accursed." Paul even stated that even if he, Paul, were to preach a different gospel, Paul should be accursed - how much more so your church leaders! Yet, the guile and dishonesty of the Catholic church is overbearing for some! That is, they say that I simply am not able to understand these simple words of the Lord. Is it really that complicated? Catholics, are you listening? Watch how your leaders answer (or don't answer) this post. They will either deny Paul's gospel or they will ignore it. Yet, no Catholic can agree with Paul! That is because the Catholic gospel is, "Whoever calls upon the Name of the Lord, is baptized in our church, and takes our communion MIGHT be saved." What can you expect from them? They will quote verses to support how you need communion or baptism to be saved. Yet, they will either ignore or deny the gospel according to Paul. Yes or no, my Catholic friend: "Whoever calls upon the Name of the Lord shall be saved." Will you deny, ignore, or embrace the gospel? Jesus Christ is the light of the world.

@@kenshiloh 2 Thessalonians 2:15 So then, brothers, stand firm and hold to the traditions that you were taught by us, either by our spoken word or by our letter. 1 Corinthians 11:2, "Now I commend you because you remember me in everything and maintain the traditions even as I delivered them to you." HEB 13-17 Obey the alders of the CHURCH .

Are we still taking james white serious? 😅

Dr brant also a good defender

James White already got destroyed by his own statements contradicting themselves, (see "the video that made James White go ballistic") so Dr. Brant Pitre is going to destroy this man

@@TheEdzy25 He's a good unintentional proselytizer for Catholics so let him speak.

Yeah I thought it was really interesting when he talked about how it had been preserved for 600 years as oral tradition to the year 200ad. And then just rejects apostolic tradition. Very interesting.

Talmud also inadvertently supports Jesus Christ. Talks of miracles were happening 100 of years after Christ ascended.

Here if a cut-and-paste friendly challenge to my Catholic friends: Catholics reject Sola Scriptura, which I actually do not have a problem with. However, what do Catholics suggest that I do when their teachings directly contradict my Lord Jesus Christ? Shall I obey their gospel or follow the Bible? For example, Paul said, "Whoever calls upon the Name of the Lord shall be saved." When asked if Catholics agree with Paul, either they ignore these words of Paul or they disagree! Yet, no Catholic has ever been able to agree with Paul, for to do so means that they must give up their prized Catholic faith! Yet, what profit is your religion if you lose your eternal soul? Recently, one Catholic said, "Shall be saved is not the same as will be saved." Really? Is that the official Catholic 'translation' of this verse? You know, Catholics go on and on as to how I need their leaders to 'interpret' the Bible for me, yet they either ignore or deny the gospel! I pray for Catholics everywhere who are led astray from the pure, simple gospel message! For example, Jesus said, "How much more will My Father give the Holy Spirit to whoever asks of Him." Notice the ask-and-receive beauty of the gospel? That is, simply by asking, you will have rivers of living water bubbling up inside you unto eternal life, you will be a new creation, born again, and the Holy Spirit will bear witness that you are saved (Romans 8.16). Yet, Catholics say that you can have no assurance. Decide for yourself if you want Paul's gospel, where the Holy Spirit fills you and bears witness to your salvation or be a Catholic! Paul said, "Whoever preaches a different gospel, let him be accursed." Paul even stated that even if he, Paul, were to preach a different gospel, Paul should be accursed - how much more so your church leaders! Yet, the guile and dishonesty of the Catholic church is overbearing for some! That is, they say that I simply am not able to understand these simple words of the Lord. Is it really that complicated? Catholics, are you listening? Watch how your leaders answer (or don't answer) this post. They will either deny Paul's gospel or they will ignore it. Yet, no Catholic can agree with Paul! That is because the Catholic gospel is, "Whoever calls upon the Name of the Lord, is baptized in our church, and takes our communion MIGHT be saved." What can you expect from them? They will quote verses to support how you need communion or baptism to be saved. Yet, they will either ignore or deny the gospel according to Paul. Yes or no, my Catholic friend: "Whoever calls upon the Name of the Lord shall be saved." Will you deny, ignore, or embrace the gospel? Jesus Christ is the light of the world.

@@kenshiloh what are we to do when Protestant teachings directly contradict the scriptures? All Protestants cannot be teaching the scripture correctly since there are approximately 25,000 different Protestant denominations who disagree with each other in their teaching of the same scriptures. So which Protestant denomination is the correct one whose teachings are not in contradiction with the scriptures?

@@joebrinson5040 Hi Joe. Great question. Please do not think that, because I spend so much time talking about the Bible with Catholics that I am not just as concerned about many of the protestants! It is written, "Many will strive to enter, but will not be able to." That is, many will be seeking to enter (i.e. Catholics, protestants, etc), but narrow is the way that leads to life! Most Catholics and protestants won't make it. Moreover, this is, indeed, the most important conversation a person can have: at least one of us is living and preaching a false gospel. That said, can the world turn to me as a fount of knowledge, as a guide through life? At first, my answer will sound extremely arrogant, but 'yes you can!' Why? Because I will point you to two Bible verses, "The Holy Spirit will lead you into all truth" and "Whoever continues in My Word will be My disciple." Certainly, I will look at Scripture, doing my best to understand it and to live it out. Yet, ultimately, I do not trust in my own wisdom, but the Spirit of God, as promised, to lead me into all truth. I will let you know when I get there! That is why it doesn't bother me that there are so many denominations, as most 'Christians' are not Christians! Yet, can the same not be said about Catholics, that most will not make it? However, the closer a person gets to accurately dividing the Word of God, the closer that person will be to God. That said, I think there are more protestants who are saved than Catholics, as Catholics - trusting in the Church rather than the Spirit to lead them - have fallen into such grievious error. For example, Romans 10.13, "Whoever calls upon the Name of the Lord shall be saved." I had one Catholic tell me, flat out, that Romans 10.13 is not true! Others, in a more circular approach, quote verses that 'contradict' the words of Paul, saying, "No! Calling on the Name of the Lord is not enough! You must take the Eucharist!" Isn't that your position? To me, that seems like a prime example of, "Whoever preaches a different gospel should be accursed." I am concerned, as I can give a hearty 'amen!' to Paul's gospel; I do not contradict it! Yet, what about places in the Bible where it is 'necessary' to partake of communion. First, does that doctrine not contradict Romans 10.13? Moreover, I have an answer for the 'Eucharist Chapter,' John 6. That is, rightly or wrongly, I can defend my position, yet no Catholic has ever taken on Romans 10.13. They all have avoided it, quoting 'contradictory' verses, calling down the wrath of apostolic tradition on me - everything but telling me what Paul meant! That is, what did Paul mean, then, by, "Whoever calls upon the Name of the Lord shall be saved." Do you take that to be true? If so, explain how, without communion, a person can be saved? I write in the hope and prayer that you will have a saving encounter with Christ - just by asking! Jesus Christ is the light of the world.

Yes, my friend, some commentaries as just not fair enough to the depiction of our faith. That goes beyond unbelievable level when the Catholic Church and specially the Catholic people are and were attacked in the USA, many times more viciously than one could even begin to understand the terms “hatred” or “prejudice”. So I understand your point. Bad representation on Catholicism is ironical since it is very easy to fairly portray it (due to its theological unity, although it is not monolithic) and it is very hard to fairly portray all Protestantism(s) - yet at least there are many, many commentators (and also videos) from Catholic apologists doing a much greater job representing Protestants than the other way around. But we will always feel bad (reciprocally) represented, I came to understand. What I don’t understand is the level of aggression we sometimes engage in. You are very correct, brother. God bless you!

I didn't understand that either. Why was the burden of proof laid upon the amateur instead of the world-famous apologist?

Here if a cut-and-paste friendly challenge to my Catholic friends: Catholics reject Sola Scriptura, which I actually do not have a problem with. However, what do Catholics suggest that I do when their teachings directly contradict my Lord Jesus Christ? Shall I obey their gospel or follow the Bible? For example, Paul said, "Whoever calls upon the Name of the Lord shall be saved." When asked if Catholics agree with Paul, either they ignore these words of Paul or they disagree! Yet, no Catholic has ever been able to agree with Paul, for to do so means that they must give up their prized Catholic faith! Yet, what profit is your religion if you lose your eternal soul? Recently, one Catholic said, "Shall be saved is not the same as will be saved." Really? Is that the official Catholic 'translation' of this verse? You know, Catholics go on and on as to how I need their leaders to 'interpret' the Bible for me, yet they either ignore or deny the gospel! I pray for Catholics everywhere who are led astray from the pure, simple gospel message! For example, Jesus said, "How much more will My Father give the Holy Spirit to whoever asks of Him." Notice the ask-and-receive beauty of the gospel? That is, simply by asking, you will have rivers of living water bubbling up inside you unto eternal life, you will be a new creation, born again, and the Holy Spirit will bear witness that you are saved (Romans 8.16). Yet, Catholics say that you can have no assurance. Decide for yourself if you want Paul's gospel, where the Holy Spirit fills you and bears witness to your salvation or be a Catholic! Paul said, "Whoever preaches a different gospel, let him be accursed." Paul even stated that even if he, Paul, were to preach a different gospel, Paul should be accursed - how much more so your church leaders! Yet, the guile and dishonesty of the Catholic church is overbearing for some! That is, they say that I simply am not able to understand these simple words of the Lord. Is it really that complicated? Catholics, are you listening? Watch how your leaders answer (or don't answer) this post. They will either deny Paul's gospel or they will ignore it. Yet, no Catholic can agree with Paul! That is because the Catholic gospel is, "Whoever calls upon the Name of the Lord, is baptized in our church, and takes our communion MIGHT be saved." What can you expect from them? They will quote verses to support how you need communion or baptism to be saved. Yet, they will either ignore or deny the gospel according to Paul. Yes or no, my Catholic friend: "Whoever calls upon the Name of the Lord shall be saved." Will you deny, ignore, or embrace the gospel? Jesus Christ is the light of the world.

@@kenshiloh if "Whomever calls upon the name of the Lord shall be saved" is just that simple, then we are all saved since we all believe in Jesus, how er where do you leave Matthew 7:21-23!? Calling the name of the Lord means not only believing but to obey all he teaches, not just what you think he does... Do you think Jesus left a heretical church from the beginning!? Do you think Jesus church (the Catholic church) got corrupted after the years!? If so Jesus lied when he said" the doors Hades shall not prevail against it" And if it was intended to be this way, where is the prophecy telling us that someone in the future will reform the corrupted church!? By the contrary it is prophecied that from us will rice false teachers, and as far as i know all protestant father were Catholics... Check out 1 Timothy 4:1 onwards 2 Peter 2:1 onwards Galatians 1:6-9 1 John 2:18-19 Acts 20:28-31 Matthew 24:24-25 2 John 1:7-10 And plz tell me where were your believes been tough in the first millennium all the way to the 16 century!? Check out 1 Timothy 3:15 The church Jesus founded has the truth, and it's entrusted with keeping it

@@JoseMartinez-rx6sl Hi. Thanks for writing. If you notice, I did not interpret Romans 10.8, "Whoever calls upon the Name of the Lord SHALL be saved." I will only give the contrapositive: according to Paul, if a person is not saved, then they did not call upon the Name of the Lord. That is, truly calling upon the Name of the Lord is salvation. Moreover, do you agree that Catholics teach, "Whoever calls upon the Name of the Lord, is baptized Catholic, and partakes of Catholic communion MIGHT be saved"? No Catholic has ever answered this simple question. Will you answer it? Moreover, you cannot say that I am misinterpreting Scripture, as I have not interpreted Romans 10.8; I merely asked if it is different that what Catholics teach. Moreover, I hope you will have the courage and integrity to answer my question: do Catholics believe, "Whoever calls upon the Name of the Lord, is baptized Catholic, and partakes of Catholic communion MIGHT be saved"? A simple yes or no! Remember Paul's warning, "Whoever preaches a different gospel, let him be accursed." I hope you will have a saving encounter with Christ - just by asking! Jesus Christ is the light of the world.

Here if a cut-and-paste friendly challenge to my Catholic friends: Catholics reject Sola Scriptura, which I actually do not have a problem with. However, what do Catholics suggest that I do when their teachings directly contradict my Lord Jesus Christ? Shall I obey their gospel or follow the Bible? For example, Paul said, "Whoever calls upon the Name of the Lord shall be saved." When asked if Catholics agree with Paul, either they ignore these words of Paul or they disagree! Yet, no Catholic has ever been able to agree with Paul, for to do so means that they must give up their prized Catholic faith! Yet, what profit is your religion if you lose your eternal soul? Recently, one Catholic said, "Shall be saved is not the same as will be saved." Really? Is that the official Catholic 'translation' of this verse? You know, Catholics go on and on as to how I need their leaders to 'interpret' the Bible for me, yet they either ignore or deny the gospel! I pray for Catholics everywhere who are led astray from the pure, simple gospel message! For example, Jesus said, "How much more will My Father give the Holy Spirit to whoever asks of Him." Notice the ask-and-receive beauty of the gospel? That is, simply by asking, you will have rivers of living water bubbling up inside you unto eternal life, you will be a new creation, born again, and the Holy Spirit will bear witness that you are saved (Romans 8.16). Yet, Catholics say that you can have no assurance. Decide for yourself if you want Paul's gospel, where the Holy Spirit fills you and bears witness to your salvation or be a Catholic! Paul said, "Whoever preaches a different gospel, let him be accursed." Paul even stated that even if he, Paul, were to preach a different gospel, Paul should be accursed - how much more so your church leaders! Yet, the guile and dishonesty of the Catholic church is overbearing for some! That is, they say that I simply am not able to understand these simple words of the Lord. Is it really that complicated? Catholics, are you listening? Watch how your leaders answer (or don't answer) this post. They will either deny Paul's gospel or they will ignore it. Yet, no Catholic can agree with Paul! That is because the Catholic gospel is, "Whoever calls upon the Name of the Lord, is baptized in our church, and takes our communion MIGHT be saved." What can you expect from them? They will quote verses to support how you need communion or baptism to be saved. Yet, they will either ignore or deny the gospel according to Paul. Yes or no, my Catholic friend: "Whoever calls upon the Name of the Lord shall be saved." Will you deny, ignore, or embrace the gospel? Jesus Christ is the light of the world.

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I am also using Protestant very loosely, as there are many Protestants I know who would not accept my Protestantism, because of my belief in the deuterocanon, as well as belief in the intercession of saints, the veneration of Mary and my openness to Purgatory.

@@iamjason90 You are most welcome to join us Jason. I’m sure you would if there wasn’t SOMETHING holding you back. Peace

just trust your feelings, bro

I guess that your difference with catholics is that you don't accept the papacy?

@@iamjason90 dang you don't sound like you are protesting much.

I'm just in the beginning of Steve's opening arguments. I don't hold to the apocrypha, I'm a mere Christian, but he's already lost me. Something about his cadence isn't compelling. Trent on the other hand is one of the best debaters. People will respond just because it's him. Gavin Ortlund gave him a terrific run in their recent Sola Scriptura debate. I did find myself captivated by both sides of that debate.

Agreed, I don’t feel like he answered any questions asked of him and the questions he asked Trent were honestly of no consequence.

@Julián Babilonia Here is a link: www.newadvent.org/fathers/1010.htm His comment about Judith is in ch. 55

Clement references Wisdom too

@@BornAgainEnglishmanKJVWhere exactly?

Ahaha

Why ?

Steve's criteria are all of the Church of Steve, not found in scripture anywhere. His criteria below: 1. free from errors and contradictions with previous and later inspired scripture (note, this introduces circular reasoning) 2 written during the time of moses to the death of artaxerxes when prophecy ceased 3. written during a time of miracle-performing prophets Sola scriptura fails at the table of contents.

Long story short: Carthage says 2 books of Esdras. Steve assumes, these are the two books from the Septuagint. He is relying on the Catholic encyclopedia, which is in error. Stave does not realize the CE is not a magisterial document, so it can be in error. The fact is, the two books of Esdras are Ezra and Nehemiah from the Vulgate (which represents 2 Esdras, or Esdras B from the Septuagint). It is not plausible that the two books of Esdras are those from the Septuagint for several reasons. 1. 1 Esdras (Esdras A of the Septuagint, which is 3 Esdras of the Vulgate) wasn´t in use in the liturgy. 2. Art Sippo wrote on his blog: St. Jerome was actually in the process of translating Ezra and Nehemiah from 393-394 AD according to Kelly and the New Catholic Encyclopedia. This means that his work on these books was contemporary with the Council of Hippo and his decision as to the nature of the authentic text of the Esdras material had been made earlier. It is likely that the council fathers at Hippo knew of this work and they may have agreed with St. Jerome’s opinion on this matter. St. Jerome completed the translations for the Vulgate by 405-406 AD. When the Popes reaffirmed the Canon of Scripture from Hippo/Carthage in 401, 414, and 418 AD there is no doubt of their intentions. They saw the ‘two books of Esdras’ as identical to the books of Esdras in St. Jerome’s Vulgate translation, which were based upon the Hebrew text of Ezra and Nehemiah. It was this understanding of the text of the ‘two books of Esdras’ which was promulgated ever after in the Church and which was adopted by the Councils of Florence and Trent. 3. Jerome in his preface to the book of Kings wrote: ,, The eight is Ezra, which itself is likewise divided amongst Greeks and Latins into two books." So Steve is wrong that Jerome divided 2 Esdras. Origen, Cyrill of Jerusalem and Rufinus testifie this as well. Check out Gary Michuta´s book: Why Catholic Bibles are Bigger. 4. John Betts also published a response to William Webster on this topic. It also shows you how Steve is wrong about Augustine. You can reach it here: web.archive.org/web/20081121150055/catholic-legate.com/articles/esdras.html 5. Finally I recommend you the newest video on Apocrypha Apocalypse, where Gary Michuta, William Albrecht and Trent Horn shared thoughts and comments on this debate: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/sJeEqLRltcrGp40.html Conclusion: Carthage, Florence and Trent are coherent. Florence did not reject any books, there is nothing such in the acta from Florence (the decree says which books are scripture, not which aren't) Steve made this up, just as he made up many many things in this debate as well as in his book.

@@davidszaraz4605 Amazing clarification. God bless you!

@@ghostapostle7225 Be my guest :)

Here if a cut-and-paste friendly challenge to my Catholic friends: Catholics reject Sola Scriptura, which I actually do not have a problem with. However, what do Catholics suggest that I do when their teachings directly contradict my Lord Jesus Christ? Shall I obey their gospel or follow the Bible? For example, Paul said, "Whoever calls upon the Name of the Lord shall be saved." When asked if Catholics agree with Paul, either they ignore these words of Paul or they disagree! Yet, no Catholic has ever been able to agree with Paul, for to do so means that they must give up their prized Catholic faith! Yet, what profit is your religion if you lose your eternal soul? Recently, one Catholic said, "Shall be saved is not the same as will be saved." Really? Is that the official Catholic 'translation' of this verse? You know, Catholics go on and on as to how I need their leaders to 'interpret' the Bible for me, yet they either ignore or deny the gospel! I pray for Catholics everywhere who are led astray from the pure, simple gospel message! For example, Jesus said, "How much more will My Father give the Holy Spirit to whoever asks of Him." Notice the ask-and-receive beauty of the gospel? That is, simply by asking, you will have rivers of living water bubbling up inside you unto eternal life, you will be a new creation, born again, and the Holy Spirit will bear witness that you are saved (Romans 8.16). Yet, Catholics say that you can have no assurance. Decide for yourself if you want Paul's gospel, where the Holy Spirit fills you and bears witness to your salvation or be a Catholic! Paul said, "Whoever preaches a different gospel, let him be accursed." Paul even stated that even if he, Paul, were to preach a different gospel, Paul should be accursed - how much more so your church leaders! Yet, the guile and dishonesty of the Catholic church is overbearing for some! That is, they say that I simply am not able to understand these simple words of the Lord. Is it really that complicated? Catholics, are you listening? Watch how your leaders answer (or don't answer) this post. They will either deny Paul's gospel or they will ignore it. Yet, no Catholic can agree with Paul! That is because the Catholic gospel is, "Whoever calls upon the Name of the Lord, is baptized in our church, and takes our communion MIGHT be saved." What can you expect from them? They will quote verses to support how you need communion or baptism to be saved. Yet, they will either ignore or deny the gospel according to Paul. Yes or no, my Catholic friend: "Whoever calls upon the Name of the Lord shall be saved." Will you deny, ignore, or embrace the gospel? Jesus Christ is the light of the world.

Yes, if they cant see what's being discussed in 2 maccabees then why bother

Dude "dumbed down" really? Come on, we as Catholics should know better. What image you leave when calling them, indirectly, dumb

@@Tvoj_Prijatelj_Vili Catholics are trying to be overly nice to a point of being completely un assertive, I was a protestant my whole life and wish I was challenged harder by catholics (even called dumb) people today are so sensitive. My son became catholic and he challenged me hard, I started to seach and guess what, now I am busy with RCIA.

Here if a cut-and-paste friendly challenge to my Catholic friends: Catholics reject Sola Scriptura, which I actually do not have a problem with. However, what do Catholics suggest that I do when their teachings directly contradict my Lord Jesus Christ? Shall I obey their gospel or follow the Bible? For example, Paul said, "Whoever calls upon the Name of the Lord shall be saved." When asked if Catholics agree with Paul, either they ignore these words of Paul or they disagree! Yet, no Catholic has ever been able to agree with Paul, for to do so means that they must give up their prized Catholic faith! Yet, what profit is your religion if you lose your eternal soul? Recently, one Catholic said, "Shall be saved is not the same as will be saved." Really? Is that the official Catholic 'translation' of this verse? You know, Catholics go on and on as to how I need their leaders to 'interpret' the Bible for me, yet they either ignore or deny the gospel! I pray for Catholics everywhere who are led astray from the pure, simple gospel message! For example, Jesus said, "How much more will My Father give the Holy Spirit to whoever asks of Him." Notice the ask-and-receive beauty of the gospel? That is, simply by asking, you will have rivers of living water bubbling up inside you unto eternal life, you will be a new creation, born again, and the Holy Spirit will bear witness that you are saved (Romans 8.16). Yet, Catholics say that you can have no assurance. Decide for yourself if you want Paul's gospel, where the Holy Spirit fills you and bears witness to your salvation or be a Catholic! Paul said, "Whoever preaches a different gospel, let him be accursed." Paul even stated that even if he, Paul, were to preach a different gospel, Paul should be accursed - how much more so your church leaders! Yet, the guile and dishonesty of the Catholic church is overbearing for some! That is, they say that I simply am not able to understand these simple words of the Lord. Is it really that complicated? Catholics, are you listening? Watch how your leaders answer (or don't answer) this post. They will either deny Paul's gospel or they will ignore it. Yet, no Catholic can agree with Paul! That is because the Catholic gospel is, "Whoever calls upon the Name of the Lord, is baptized in our church, and takes our communion MIGHT be saved." What can you expect from them? They will quote verses to support how you need communion or baptism to be saved. Yet, they will either ignore or deny the gospel according to Paul. Yes or no, my Catholic friend: "Whoever calls upon the Name of the Lord shall be saved." Will you deny, ignore, or embrace the gospel? Jesus Christ is the light of the world.

@@kenshiloh everything we Catholics believe in today was believed in by the early Christians You are not scaring anyone away from the Catholic church

Torah or The Torah?

Actually, that was Scott Norwood who kicked “wide right,” not Steve Christie. But I got the pun. Thanks and God bless. It was fun.

@@BornAgainRN You are so right. Christie was a long-time kicker for the Bills. I forgot it was Norwood. Thanks.

Here if a cut-and-paste friendly challenge to my Catholic friends: Catholics reject Sola Scriptura, which I actually do not have a problem with. However, what do Catholics suggest that I do when their teachings directly contradict my Lord Jesus Christ? Shall I obey their gospel or follow the Bible? For example, Paul said, "Whoever calls upon the Name of the Lord shall be saved." When asked if Catholics agree with Paul, either they ignore these words of Paul or they disagree! Yet, no Catholic has ever been able to agree with Paul, for to do so means that they must give up their prized Catholic faith! Yet, what profit is your religion if you lose your eternal soul? Recently, one Catholic said, "Shall be saved is not the same as will be saved." Really? Is that the official Catholic 'translation' of this verse? You know, Catholics go on and on as to how I need their leaders to 'interpret' the Bible for me, yet they either ignore or deny the gospel! I pray for Catholics everywhere who are led astray from the pure, simple gospel message! For example, Jesus said, "How much more will My Father give the Holy Spirit to whoever asks of Him." Notice the ask-and-receive beauty of the gospel? That is, simply by asking, you will have rivers of living water bubbling up inside you unto eternal life, you will be a new creation, born again, and the Holy Spirit will bear witness that you are saved (Romans 8.16). Yet, Catholics say that you can have no assurance. Decide for yourself if you want Paul's gospel, where the Holy Spirit fills you and bears witness to your salvation or be a Catholic! Paul said, "Whoever preaches a different gospel, let him be accursed." Paul even stated that even if he, Paul, were to preach a different gospel, Paul should be accursed - how much more so your church leaders! Yet, the guile and dishonesty of the Catholic church is overbearing for some! That is, they say that I simply am not able to understand these simple words of the Lord. Is it really that complicated? Catholics, are you listening? Watch how your leaders answer (or don't answer) this post. They will either deny Paul's gospel or they will ignore it. Yet, no Catholic can agree with Paul! That is because the Catholic gospel is, "Whoever calls upon the Name of the Lord, is baptized in our church, and takes our communion MIGHT be saved." What can you expect from them? They will quote verses to support how you need communion or baptism to be saved. Yet, they will either ignore or deny the gospel according to Paul. Yes or no, my Catholic friend: "Whoever calls upon the Name of the Lord shall be saved." Will you deny, ignore, or embrace the gospel? Jesus Christ is the light of the world.

@@kenshiloh here we go.. 😂 what's to reject? It's not there in the bible! Try harder sola boy 🤣🤣🤣

@@MarioPoluan Since insults are not a form of rational conversation, I am not sure how to reply to your post. Nonethess, I do pray all the best for you and yours! Jesus Christ is the light of the world.

Protestants believe that God speaks through creation, through our personal experience. We just don't think that he speaks using those methods in a way that is reliable for basing doctrine upon. Catholics believe this too, btw.

@@SeanusAurelius He speaks through all creation, they are parables. I don't know of anything in Catholocism that says He doesn't.

@@SeanusAurelius And I was Protestant for 35 adult years and I don't know Protestants that think God speaks through all creation. They tend to be dense to anything they can't stifle by their doctrines.

I'm flattered. :)

come home

You don't understand Sola scriptura. Protestants don't inherently reject tradition

@@AcidAdventurer which ones are you talking about though ? It’s kind of hard to talk about Protestants when they believe completely different things from eachother

@@mcspankey4810 🙄 that's just a silly characture. Protestants agree much more than they disagree, but on this particular concept they agree quite completely as it's central to Protestantism. Protestants don't reject tradition outright, they just don't hold it as infallible or give it a place of authority. Most of the hymns sung in Protestant churches are hundreds of years old. Their confessions and creeds often go back to just after the Reformation. Nothing wrong with tradition, but it is subject to the sole infallible rule of faith, which is the revealed Word of God.

@@AcidAdventurer but don’t you see how having only scripture as the infallible rule of faith causes division and a plethora of different beliefs regarding salvation - it boils down to subjective interpretation on scripture which is why there are denominations popping up every single day - scripture itself is a product of apostolic tradition - scripture and tradition (with a capital t) have been and always will be equal - neither above or below the other -

@@mcspankey4810 not a problem at all because ultimately understanding any literature lands on the individual. A supposedly infallible magisterium doesn't solve the proposed problem. You still have to read and interpret the words of the magisterium in the same way you would scripture. Are you any more likely to arrive at the proper reading of the catechism than the word of God? God's word can be understood sufficiently when you have the Spirit of God leading you into all truth without needing someone to come along and tell you what it must mean. That doesn't mean more seasoned Christians shouldn't advise and instruct newer Christians, but it does mean in regards to understanding scripture, an infallible interpreter is frivolous. Not to mention there are plenty of disagreements in the Roman church and have been throughout the ages. It also means Rome contradicts itself over time by telling you words don't mean what they clearly do. If anything, the understanding offered by Rome is inferior to the understanding of a man humbly coming to God's word seeking truth.

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