Do Speakers Make a Difference? - Trying Different Celestion Speakers in a Fender Blues Junior!

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⏰ Timestamps ⏰
» 0:00 What We Are Discussing Today!
» 0:35 About the Fender Blues Junior
» 2:27 How it's All Set Up!
» 4:08 Test 1 - Celestion A-Type
» 9:34 The Other Speakers We'll Be Testing!
» 11:15 Test 2 - Celestion Creamback
» 12:02 What is Speaker Sensitivity?
» 13:45 Back to Testing
» 16:28 Test 3 - Classic Lead 80
» 20:00 Test 4 - Vintage 30
» 24:22 Test 5 - Hempback
» 27:30 Let's Hear Them All Back to Back!
» 27:45 Jensen C12N - Tele Clean
» 28:07 Celestion A-Type - Tele Clean
» 28:28 Celestion Creamback - Tele Clean
» 28:48 Celestion Classic Lead 80 - Tele Clean
» 29:10 Celestion Vintage 30 - Tele Clean
» 29:30 Celestion Hempback - Tele Clean
» 29:51 Jensen C12N - Les Paul Clean
» 30:08 Celestion A-Type - Les Paul Clean
» 30:25 Celestion Creamback - Les Paul Clean
» 30:43 Celestion Classic Lead 80 - Les Paul Clean
» 31:00 Celestion Vintage 30 - Les Paul Clean
» 31:17 Celestion Hempback - Les Paul Clean
» 31:33 Jensen C12N - Les Paul Dirty
» 31:45 Celestion A-Type - Les Paul Dirty
» 31:58 Celestion Creamback - Les Paul Dirty
» 32:10 Celestion Classic Lead 80 - Les Paul Dirty
» 32:23 Celestion Vintage 30 - Les Paul Dirty
» 32:36 Celestion Hempback - Les Paul Dirty
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@adamscottv
@adamscottv Жыл бұрын
Surprised how much I like that Jensen. It's got a vibe ... hard to describe in words ... just sounds beautiful. Great video.
@RideAcrossTheRiver
@RideAcrossTheRiver 5 ай бұрын
Very Hendrix with a bit of Snoopy "Joe Cool".
@gmac9667
@gmac9667 Жыл бұрын
I feel like I could almost hear the wraps of the strings with the Jensen. It was incredible.
@bmark7951
@bmark7951 Жыл бұрын
Calm yourself
@CraigFlowersMusic
@CraigFlowersMusic Жыл бұрын
Jensen hands down. Sweetest cleans by a mile. Dirty I could go for any of them eckspecially the v30 but still favor the Jensen most for dirty too. The hempback was surprisingly good. Still I can't believe how much more I liked the Jensen than anything else. WAY more.
@clearcoat
@clearcoat Жыл бұрын
I agree, but I bet a Jensen P10R-F would sound even better. I tried a bunch of speakers in a Brownface Princeton, including a C12N and the P10R-F (with a baffle adapter) was the winner for me. Less massive low end and sweeter overall. Sounds great at low volume too.
@noAPlease
@noAPlease Жыл бұрын
Swapping the vintage 30 for a greenback in my 1x12 closed back cab made all the difference! Zilla cabs does some really great sound comparison videos to help decide!
@jvannatt
@jvannatt Жыл бұрын
I have a greenback and mine as well. Love the sound of the greenback
@vincentl.9469
@vincentl.9469 Жыл бұрын
@@jvannatt the worst thing is when they place tubes too close to a speaker magnet. No good for either. Also with modelling amps, I think it might be best to stick with stock speakers ?
@steveeckert8396
@steveeckert8396 Жыл бұрын
@@vincentl.9469 Did you see the Katana video? The stock speaker sounded the best. Lee liked the Jensen the best in this video.
@vincentl.9469
@vincentl.9469 Жыл бұрын
@@steveeckert8396 I think quite often the differences are very slight
@picksalot1
@picksalot1 Жыл бұрын
Speakers make a big difference, as do the Mics and their location. The Amp (head), Guitar, Wood, Pickups, Pots, Caps, etc. make less difference. In a Modeler, swapping Speakers and Mics makes it easy to find the sound that makes the rest of the gear in the signal chain sound good.
@bison962
@bison962 Жыл бұрын
The jensen speaker is just perfect for these applications. Classic lead and v30 are also cool
@toledo2983
@toledo2983 Жыл бұрын
The Jensen i liked most.
@TroyNaumu808
@TroyNaumu808 Жыл бұрын
Jensen has the classic sound. Old school is the best school.
@bradc32
@bradc32 Жыл бұрын
i like the jenson too
@toledo2983
@toledo2983 Жыл бұрын
@@bradc32 i use jensen and celestion, and some other brands and i have 1 eminence for special reason. All i can say, the celestions are more of the one-trick-pony than the jensen, my most flexible speakers are the fender special design (no eminence, must be some chinese cheapies.)
@adamalexanderray
@adamalexanderray Жыл бұрын
I’ll save everyone 37 minutes. The answer is yes.
@bbmade
@bbmade Жыл бұрын
Exactly.
@francoislouw181
@francoislouw181 Жыл бұрын
Let people watch. We all know this. But maybe they find the speaker they like.
@fanfanarchtop6689
@fanfanarchtop6689 Жыл бұрын
sucessful title sucessful comment😂
@stephanfuchs7891
@stephanfuchs7891 Жыл бұрын
😂
@fasteddievh2072
@fasteddievh2072 Жыл бұрын
💯🎯
@christophersmart8067
@christophersmart8067 Жыл бұрын
Awesome comparison guys!! All the Celestion had their own flavor but honestly the Jensen is just a flavor you can love and work with forever. It just sounds right and can be eq’d to work in any mix. Jensen is like the ns-10 in studio flat and translates
@ulfdanielsen6009
@ulfdanielsen6009 Жыл бұрын
NS-10s are anything but flat but have a distinct mid range hump,- like a treble booster for speakers,- that´s why they are good for producing vocals,- but don´t ever do the final mix on them.
@ignacioibanez6138
@ignacioibanez6138 Жыл бұрын
They also have the NS-10 sterile sound indeed, those speakers sound horrible for listen music, but are meant to be for mix and mastering, but guitar land is another story, I would never put a guitar neither instruments on the yamahas
@slidecatch
@slidecatch Жыл бұрын
I liked the Jensen the most. It seemed the most versatile. Then again with my hearing loss I may not be picking up the treble issue. The Vintage 30 would be my favorite among the Celestions. Thanks for the video!
@themomentkiller9167
@themomentkiller9167 Жыл бұрын
I’ve had a Princeton with a Jensen ck12 in it for two years now. The first year I spent scratching my head thinking it could be better and spending far too much time researching this rabbit hole. In the the end, I couldn’t make a decision so I kept it. People have commented on how good it sounds and besides, if I get a new speaker, I have to wait until it’s worn in until I can properly compare the two and by then I can’t remember how the original sounded and sod it. The original is more than good enough!
@jaredlowry3547
@jaredlowry3547 Жыл бұрын
Speakers make more difference than actual amps, IMO. 3 different amps going through the same cab sounds more similar to me than 1 amp going through 3 different cabs.
@jhon5235
@jhon5235 Жыл бұрын
In my opinion, it's what matters the most, specially old speakers
@j.r.g3548
@j.r.g3548 Жыл бұрын
only because they're broken in. Almost every speaker manufacturer accounts for that in new speakers today. The "old speakers are better" myth hasn't been a thing since the 90s.
@otaviosmartins1
@otaviosmartins1 Жыл бұрын
Agreed
@BarefacedAudio
@BarefacedAudio Жыл бұрын
@@j.r.g3548 break-in is an interesting thing with guitar speakers - I’m thinking we should get three identical drivers, test them briefly to make sure they do sound identical, and then put one through a normal break-in process (so the surround is loosened up like on a speaker that’s a few gigs old) and put another through a much more intense process to simulate an old speaker, and then compare the three. I’m v curious!
@JimijaymesProductions
@JimijaymesProductions Жыл бұрын
@@j.r.g3548 Better is subjective, but hell they are different. A lot of it is wear, some of it is inconsistency just take the v30 its not even that old and so many of them sound different. All the different cone manufacturers made a huge difference.
@jonbourn473
@jonbourn473 Жыл бұрын
I thought the Jenson by itself sounded the best of all. But I think Pete is right, the Celestions are better for band settings because of the midrange. I liked the creamback for cleans and V30 for distortion. I prefer v30s overall. Great vid as usual.
@adamwatson6916
@adamwatson6916 10 ай бұрын
V30s paired with Creamback M65s is the best drive tone ever.
@jano3289
@jano3289 10 ай бұрын
Depends what kind of band it is. Are you playing in a lour rockband yes. Are you playing in a jazztrio I'd get the jensen.
@caileanhunt8679
@caileanhunt8679 Жыл бұрын
Great comparison video chaps. I really liked the Jensen it's tough to beat for Fender clean tones.
@mike42356
@mike42356 Жыл бұрын
Finally THE comparison between the C12N and the A-Type! Thanks guys!
@AnimalJohn85
@AnimalJohn85 Жыл бұрын
The creambacks are still my favourite, lovely sounding things and just get better with every vid I see.
@waitin4winter
@waitin4winter Жыл бұрын
2 decades ago I had the Line 6 red bean. I noticed that the speaker/cab options made more of a difference on the tone than did the amp selections. I.e. amp A and amp B sounded more alike with the same cab selection while the same amp with different speaker/cab sims sounded way different. I asked around about it, but at that time a lot of people weren’t really hip to it. Now we know better.
@FabrizioCalderara76
@FabrizioCalderara76 Жыл бұрын
I have two V30 and two A-Type in the 4x12 Redseven cab that I primarily use; the A-Type are so good, both in clean and overdrive, they fit very well in the mix and they complete the lacks of the V30's. I love them!
@rob28781
@rob28781 Жыл бұрын
I've recently been thinking about swapping the speakers in my Laney 2x12 Cub-Super, so I'm glad this video came up.
@Tuning_Spork
@Tuning_Spork Жыл бұрын
The Celestion Vintage 30 stood out to me on all loops. I'll take two. ✌😃
@JacarandaMusic
@JacarandaMusic Жыл бұрын
Gosh well done for using loops, it really helps the comparison, though I know some folks don’t like the repetitive nature of the thing - which is the point! And well done for the direct back-to-back too.
@tmusik7
@tmusik7 Жыл бұрын
I watched the video where you swapped out the speaker in the Katana as I was looking to change speakers in one of my practice amps. I was leaning towards the Celestion Creamback 12", but after your video I ordered the Boss Katana 100 watt MK 2. I love it! Thank you. You've also convinced me to get the Tone City "Sweet Cream". Also a great choice. Thanks again.
@LNROKR55
@LNROKR55 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for a great vid guys, it brought back memories of me and a great bud of mine back in the stone age, well actually it was 1972 and we were listening to the lead player for Sparks playing a black Les Paul Custom through a Marshall Head and slant cab and we both decided at that moment that we were listening to the ultimate in Rock N Roll. Love that creamback sound, always have . Great stuff guys !
@cortmiller
@cortmiller Жыл бұрын
I have been putting celestion speakers in my fender amps for years. I have always thought they were a match made in heaven. I’m a big fan of the G12H30 especially in the 55hz variety in them
@GCKelloch
@GCKelloch 11 ай бұрын
The G12H30-55Hz has a very strong peak right in the most harsh 3-3.5kHz range. The Weber Ceramic 1230-55 with the cloth surround is considerably less harsh, but still has an open high end. You can choose the power and some other options. I think the 100W has an Aluminum voice coil that makes it sound like the 30W. It's a very flat speaker out to 5.5kHz, and rolls off gently from there. The wider voice coil Weber California is also a great Fender amp speaker with tight deep bass, fast mids, and just a little more in the harsh range. Both also come in expensive AlNiCo versions. I'd go with AlNiCo for the California. You might prefer the Ceramic1230-55. It's really nice.
@RG-yz8ov
@RG-yz8ov 10 ай бұрын
Celestion g12h30 55hz mixed with a Celestion alnico blue 2x12 👌
@oldmansteve
@oldmansteve Жыл бұрын
Purchased a Hotrod deluxe IV a few years back loaded with a A-Type. Was really impressed by the speaker. Ran my other amps through it to see if it was just the Hotrod in general but they all sounded better through the A-Type. Non harsh highs, tight low end and loud.
@anthonydallarosa8314
@anthonydallarosa8314 Жыл бұрын
Yeah I got an A type years ago. Great little speaker!
@beaumowery5610
@beaumowery5610 Жыл бұрын
I found that a g12 65 creamback helped my hotrod deluxe especially with distorted tones to use as a pedal platform but it was an early 2000s model so it didnt have the A type which mightve been enough
@doogieball2464
@doogieball2464 Жыл бұрын
I put an A-Type into a Traynor YCV-40 (which from what I've read is a HRD copy) and there was a huge improvement. Highs were tamed down and low end tighter than compared what was stock.
@myeyesarewaiting
@myeyesarewaiting Жыл бұрын
really interesting to hear how similar they are when clean and how much the differences come out when pushed.
@glenproctor1999
@glenproctor1999 Жыл бұрын
Love these comparisons. Definitely have to try swapping the neo speakers in the Tonemasters.
@igordemoraeslenzi
@igordemoraeslenzi Жыл бұрын
What do you want to change they for?
@ArvidNielsen
@ArvidNielsen Жыл бұрын
All the variation. I love it! Of course, close mic makes the differences so clear, and that’s generally, how we hear guitar sounds.
@paulthebeardedonedowning6820
@paulthebeardedonedowning6820 Жыл бұрын
the more I listened the more I liked the Jensen it had a character I felt the creamback is a really nice all-rounder feel like it'd go well in many amps cool vid man I love it
@RatzaChewy
@RatzaChewy Жыл бұрын
Creamback all the way for me. Chiming cleans and clear overdrive. I can see why the V30 is so popular for hard-rock and metal though, there's a bite to the upper-mids when dirty that would cut through really well in a mix or on stage.
@joeldowdy404
@joeldowdy404 Жыл бұрын
Celestion Cream back!! Those are in the Fender Tone Master Blond Deluxe and I have really liked that speaker. (Warm with mid/bass tone). Its completely different than the Eminence Tone King 33 in my Tone King which I also love as well for different reasons (brighter and cleaner).
@tonepoet
@tonepoet Жыл бұрын
This! I did a Fromel mod on a Fender HRD and the Celestion Creamback and it is just incredible. I get warmer, thicker, and rounder vibe out of a noiseless pickup Tele than my buddy does with a PRS and stock Fender amp.
@hawedehre
@hawedehre Жыл бұрын
In the Tone Master there is probably the Creamback Neo in it. I have both, one Marshall flavoured in my Astoria cab and I put the Neo version into the bass breaker cabinet. I am pleased with both of them.
@lazvt8469
@lazvt8469 Жыл бұрын
Funny...I got a TK Imperial last week...yesterday I replaced the Em33 speaker with the CreamBack M65 because my son's Hamstead uses it and it sounds amazing. Well, it also warmed and broadened the tone on my TK... I love it!
@Tomtamo1
@Tomtamo1 Жыл бұрын
My two go to speakers for Fender, Marshall or Vox are Greenbacks and/or V-Types. They just work for me, especially when blended.
@andreapasillas5803
@andreapasillas5803 Жыл бұрын
Very good review and comparison. I'll keep the Jensen in my Tweed Blues Junior
@AdamGotheridge
@AdamGotheridge Жыл бұрын
Excellent and really well done. imho, the mic and preamp (any) really put a sound contour of their own to the overall sound making the speakers sound more the same than they really are. This is why you thoughts on anything you demo is so valuable, because the recordings, as scientific as you can be, only tell part of the story. Again, very well done.
@jeffberg8015
@jeffberg8015 Жыл бұрын
I've been considering swapping the Seventy80 in my amp for something else and have been watching a lot of speaker comparisons. My takeaways: Most speakers tend to sound pretty similar when played clean, the biggest differences are found with how they handle higher gain. Most differences between speakers can be compensated for by adjusting the equalization, especially with say a multiband EQ pedal or dedicated EQ. The Celestion Classic Lead had the most differences from the other speakers, which makes sense since they are intended for a specialized purpose as opposed to being general purpose all around speakers. I would have liked for the Greenback to have been included in this comparison, since along with the Classic Lead it has the most distinctive frequency response curve, but in a very different direction with a rolled off high end instead of a bumped midrange. Thanks for the video.
@BarefacedAudio
@BarefacedAudio Жыл бұрын
Dirtier tones definitely show up more differences as a listener, particularly because the envelope of each note exhibits less tonal change so it’s easier to lock onto the effects from changing the speaker. Regarding the frequency response curves, I need to find out if they’re static white/pink noise measurements or swept chirps because the latter won’t show the addition of harmonic distortion whilst the former will - and guitar speakers have a lot of harmonic distortion!
@BladeDoomer86
@BladeDoomer86 Жыл бұрын
Swapped mine for a Mojotone British Vintage 30 (60w version). Great difference.. Difference is also very noticeable in the room VS youtube videos. It's Mojotone's version of a Greenback basically. It totally opened up my amp.
@garyslash7552
@garyslash7552 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for this informative video. As all the comments show, the choice of a speaker is a very personal decision. I would like to add another factor: One and the same speaker will sound different in a different enclosure - which makes the choice even more difficult.
@brisson182
@brisson182 6 ай бұрын
And also style of music to be played or context also has a huge impact. It’s all subjective
@Brianbo4
@Brianbo4 Жыл бұрын
I LOVE the alnico blue in my Vox. Was a bit harsh until I broke it in. But wow, it sings! Honorable mentions for me (dont have much experience with many others) would for sure be the greenback, and cannibus rex. Creambacks are cool too!
@ewetoo
@ewetoo Жыл бұрын
Yeah the blues nave to be broken in. I love the greenback in my vox cos it never has to be, but as far as this comparison goes that hemp is up there with the blue, its definitely got the vox sparkle.
@truthserum9157
@truthserum9157 Жыл бұрын
If you like Vox blues then you’ll love the Celestine golds.
@franktriggs
@franktriggs Жыл бұрын
I wish Peavey sold their speakers separately. Years ago, I had a Peavey Classic 2x12 with 2x 35 watt Scorpion speakers. When I plugged my 100 watt Marshall into the Peavey speakers it transformed the tone for the better, compared to the greenbacks I had. Sweeter top end, tighter bottom end, midrange had lovely vocal quality. Got a really sweet high harmonic bleed through on bends. Gorgeous.
@recordatron
@recordatron Жыл бұрын
I've discovered recently that speakers are arguably the part of your setup which will make the most significant difference to your sound. More so than pickups, like for like different guitars or even pedals. They're not the sexiest or even visible part of the rig though so I think people tend to overlook them in favour of other products.
@lusario2650
@lusario2650 Жыл бұрын
Fully agree
@saintghost
@saintghost 6 ай бұрын
and tubes
@gearngigs
@gearngigs Жыл бұрын
Very informative video ... thanks for the comparison guys! The ironic thing is that we are all listening to this speaker comparison on different speakers.😂
@BarefacedAudio
@BarefacedAudio Жыл бұрын
One thing I will say for iPhone speakers (and many other small phone/tablet/laptop speakers) is that if listened to at lower levels they’re actually remarkably consistent and revealing in the midrange. The lows are hopeless and the highs are hit and miss but where most of your guitar tone is, these silly little speakers are actually pretty honest!
@Saul_HUDSON
@Saul_HUDSON Жыл бұрын
Fantastic job guys !
@niclastname
@niclastname Жыл бұрын
I had never heard of nor heard the Hempback before, but I think it might be my favorite here. To my ear, it seems to be the most crisp and clear while retaining the low end and not sounding too harsh in the top end.
@TexanUSMC8089
@TexanUSMC8089 Жыл бұрын
It sounded smooth. I'd like to hear one in person.
@matthewhaddad9828
@matthewhaddad9828 6 ай бұрын
this was a great demo guys really liked the way you did this
@damiankacprzak6211
@damiankacprzak6211 Жыл бұрын
Nice 🤘 love the speaker shootout videos. Very informative !!
@garrysimmons111
@garrysimmons111 Жыл бұрын
I swapped the V30 in my Carvin V3 combo amp to a Cannabis Rex to tame the sizzle/fizz. Transducers (pickups, speakers, mics) have a HUGE effect on tone. They could have had similar results swapping out the mics or even just changing mic position. It's great fun experimenting with this stuff using amp sim software and/or modelers. It was interesting that the gained up tones showed more differences between speakers than the clean sounds.
@truthserum9157
@truthserum9157 Жыл бұрын
Over 45 years I’ve tried everything, American and British speakers in different configuration cabinets, I believe the Celestine Gold are the best sounding speakers I’ve ever heard, crisp chime to creamy crunch, it’s rich and complex it’s among the most expensive they make but worth it.
@georgefromgreece4119
@georgefromgreece4119 11 ай бұрын
Agreed,the Alnico Cream is even better!
@RG-yz8ov
@RG-yz8ov 10 ай бұрын
Yep +1 for the alnico cream. Best speaker, can do everything, it's blue flavoured but better and more power handling.
@georgefromgreece4119
@georgefromgreece4119 10 ай бұрын
@@RG-yz8ov exactly
@jefffree6990
@jefffree6990 Жыл бұрын
Excellent comparison video - about as good as it gets! As far as these are concerned i also liked the Creamback. For my Blues Junior IV (also tweed) I use an external 1x12 cab with the Celestion Alnico Blue , but as mentioned its not a good fit. But it was worth it in every way. Plus, for studio use its more versatile to have it that way.
@pressonc
@pressonc Жыл бұрын
Listening on my studio system, I definitely prefer the V30 most followed closely by the Creamback. I personally didn’t think the V30 was very similar to the Jenson, but that could be a result of the recording process.
@HerrSchnabelewopski
@HerrSchnabelewopski Жыл бұрын
Such an awesome and informative video. These are always one of my favorites videos from you guys!
@davidpask4232
@davidpask4232 Жыл бұрын
Managed to get a Celestion Blue Back in my Fender Blues Junior Tweed, its tricky but can be done, sounds awesome.
@ladyjulia4038
@ladyjulia4038 Жыл бұрын
I think I like the Cream back the best on both low and low gain. Thanks for the video guys. Keep killing it!
@CrazyCalabrese78
@CrazyCalabrese78 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the impeccably run comparison video guys. Looper and same amp was perfect. Feels like those celestion lead type speakers would sit beautifully in a mix/band situation. I have recently been running my tweed Jensen version with bass and mids down near 0 so it doesn’t fart out with humbuckers. Sounds good to me but I need to try some OD pedals now. It can sound spikey and harsh once you push it (and not great with drive pedals).
@craigtodd8297
@craigtodd8297 Жыл бұрын
Its funny how timely this is for me. Its like you read my mind again Mr Anderton.
@pmsphoto
@pmsphoto Жыл бұрын
Cheers Cap 'n' Pete for this great video ! The direct loop comparison works brilliantly. I'm not a professional guitarist, but chose the Fender Blues Junior tweed with the Jensen C-12N speaker twenty years ago just as a home amp. I have some lovely guitars and they all sound great with the FBJ and C-12N. Yes, I can hear the difference with all the Celestions, but have concluded it's my fingers which need the upgrade and some more dedicated practice. Will put myself on the waiting list for a Strymon 'Cloudburst' which will be good enough to cover up my fretboard fumblings ! 😄
@13thdukeofwybourne
@13thdukeofwybourne Жыл бұрын
Really useful video chaps. Wow what a difference they all make. Maybe we don’t all need two amps, just one amp out to two cabs with different speakers.👍
@santiagoterrazas3279
@santiagoterrazas3279 7 ай бұрын
Saludos desde México. Concuerdo totalmente. Tono americano (jensen) britanico (greenback)
@whiteninja2006
@whiteninja2006 Жыл бұрын
I concur with what most people have already written. It's probably the most important Factor when it comes to guitar sound, even before Amp and Pickups. The same amp and pickup combo WILL sound different trough different speakers.
@Alexander-iq5yq
@Alexander-iq5yq Жыл бұрын
I liked the stock Jensen overall the most, particularly for clean.
@noonsound4894
@noonsound4894 Жыл бұрын
I was also going to comment on how well it did. It's a good sound overall I thought. As you say particularly for that nice Fender clean sound.
@dancrowe7860
@dancrowe7860 Жыл бұрын
Yes! The Jensen sounds like what a small combo should do. I was surprised, though, at how close the Classic Lead 80 got to the clean sound. I think the Celestions had more clarity, but I preferred the "low-fi" of the Jensen better.
@jsauce311
@jsauce311 Жыл бұрын
The cleans are great but they can't handle any overdrive. Had to trade my Princeton out for a special edition with a creamback to stabalize things. Made a huge difference
@CrazyCalabrese78
@CrazyCalabrese78 Жыл бұрын
@@jsauce311 am thinking I may need to try a creamback in my blues junior. Beautiful cleans but not great with overdrive (from the amp or pedals). Which version are you using in your new Princeton?
@mikethadeeter
@mikethadeeter 4 ай бұрын
It’s almost like fender did some experimentation on what speaker sounded the best.
@ScrambleBandOfficial
@ScrambleBandOfficial Жыл бұрын
The Celestion Alnico Gold in my Orange TH30 sounds killer.
@tgvettes
@tgvettes Жыл бұрын
The Creamback is definitely my favorite the way it sounds thru my computer. Suggestion would be to do this with a British style amp.
@rowangates2197
@rowangates2197 Жыл бұрын
Big fan of this sort of content. Lack of "like for like" comparisons is one of the things which annoys me while looking into options. Admittedly it's a lot easier to do with speakers and amps than it is pickups or guitars but it's great to have for reference.
@geoffdillon6013
@geoffdillon6013 Жыл бұрын
I love my vintage 30’s in my 1998 Trace Elliot Supertramp Twin Reverb. Obviously they are 25 years old and they are British made not Chinese (that seems to matter to some people). I just love the mid drive they have while playing live and recording. You just can’t beat them, in my opinion. You do say Celestion V30 are what they are known for, but have only been around since the 80’s. Made for the higher gain scene that was evolving. They have been making speakers a lot longer then that. Great video and reinforced to me that celestion make the best speakers.
@elkhanagaev4172
@elkhanagaev4172 Жыл бұрын
Always fun to watch you guys, nice video. Would like to see Greenback in comparison, one of my favorite and iconic.
@homeworldmusic
@homeworldmusic Жыл бұрын
Holy crap, the first comparison was night and day different (Jensen vs Celestion) while the next, with the Les Paul loop, I couldn't hear much variation. Loved the Classic Lead 80 also. The Hempback sounded hi-fi, cool! Great demo.
@raydowley1038
@raydowley1038 Жыл бұрын
if the Greenback is a tight fit the plastic magnet cover is only for cosmetic reasons and can be removed with some effort it's held on with some very good double-sided tape. I had this problem on the Marshall Bassbreaker 15w amp got in touch with celestion and they gave me the ok to remove the plastic cover.
@DreidMusicalX
@DreidMusicalX Жыл бұрын
Yup they really do! I put a V30 Anniversary Edition and e Creamback H in my 2x12 Marshall Cabinet. They're now both broken in and they sound fantastic!
@jerryb2332
@jerryb2332 Жыл бұрын
I’d like to see a shoot out of all the Princeton models and speakers. Would be cool for me. Wanting to get another for a stereo deal.
@gcvrsa
@gcvrsa Жыл бұрын
This is the first time I've ever heard a Hempback, and what I'm hearing is very impressive. I'm going to have to look into this one more.
@baimun
@baimun Жыл бұрын
I swapped out the Vintage 30 in my Mesa Boogie Recto combo with a Celestion G-12 Neo (Neodymium magnet) and didn't detect anything audibly different than when a brand new speaker is a little tight and needs broken in... but my SHOULDER noticed that the combo was nearly 10 Pounds (over 4 kg) LIGHTER! Love LOVE that speaker! ☮❤🎶
@BarefacedAudio
@BarefacedAudio Жыл бұрын
Was that the Century neo you swapped to?
@baimun
@baimun Жыл бұрын
@@BarefacedAudio Now that I’m home to double check… Yes, the G-12 Century Vintage Neo with the cooling fins. Great speaker!
@alinsandu7190
@alinsandu7190 2 ай бұрын
This was probably meant as a Celestion ad, but all it did is just proove Jensen is better. Thanks for the video!
@ericbeaudry
@ericbeaudry Жыл бұрын
I like the Jensen in my 65 deluxe reverb. I want my Fender to sound like the original fenders. Love the sound.
@christopheredwards2550
@christopheredwards2550 Жыл бұрын
Love the video boys!! Feel the same as the great Dane! But would love to hear the difference, even ever so slightly but with a prs, and/or through a 800 4×12!
@gcvrsa
@gcvrsa Жыл бұрын
For my entire 30+ years of playing guitar, I have always played "American" style amps with Celestion speakers. Even the British amps I've played over the years have actually been based on Fender designs, but still with Celestion speakers. My current main guitar amp is a Mesa/Boogie F-50 with a Celestion Vintage 30.
@nellayema2455
@nellayema2455 Жыл бұрын
I'm surprised that you're willing to do a speaker comparison after the grueling one you did last year! Glad you did.
@Lilrockerdude13
@Lilrockerdude13 Жыл бұрын
Fricker has proven this several times over on SMG. However, he was more concerned with just outright metal tones rather than clean and slight overdrive. Nice video and well worth at least a listen for the sound tests
@akwamarsunzal
@akwamarsunzal Жыл бұрын
Fricker is so annoyingly right I think everyone hates him, especially pickup manufacturers ;-)
@Online_Lawyer_UK
@Online_Lawyer_UK Жыл бұрын
Glenn has shown this. But nobody would ever deny it made a difference. However, his view it's ALL that matters is just wrong. Pickups do matter! A lot of things all add to tone but pickups and speakers most because it's the input and output in the system. Fricker just won't hear that pickups do make a difference and has already changed his view from "doesn't matter" to "doesn't matter for metal". He says the speaker gives thenoutput so its what matters. Of course. But the pickups send the signal to the speaker from string vibration so they have the same value in the loop and therefore matter.
@mofomartianp
@mofomartianp Жыл бұрын
@@Online_Lawyer_UK Pickups definitely matter.
@Online_Lawyer_UK
@Online_Lawyer_UK Жыл бұрын
@mofomartian Couldn't agree more! Glenn Fricker however can't entertain the idea that they do.
@pilummurialis6490
@pilummurialis6490 Жыл бұрын
Guitarists and pickup manufacturers hate him for calling the makers out on their bullshit and also he is trying to save people from pissing away money on stupid shit that is not needed to change tone
@Magnum5160
@Magnum5160 Жыл бұрын
I have a variety of speakers in my studio and in my experience the speaker cab has more impact on tone than wood, pickups, and tubes. I had been toying with the idea of swapping the neo creamback in my tonemaster, and after viewing this i'm going to shop Jensens.
@kimmolingonheimo
@kimmolingonheimo Жыл бұрын
I have a favorite jazzy amp Harley Benton Mosfet Lead, and it has a Celestion G12T-100: so tons of headroom and really warm tones! I was REAL surprised it being a cheap amp and all!
@steveeckert8396
@steveeckert8396 Жыл бұрын
Great video thanks for all the work. The Katana video came out right after I bought the amp. I watched that one and now this one. To the "casual" listener (non musicians, what they sound like in a mix, what your amp sounds like after playing it for over 10 hours) Celestions pretty much sound the same and you will get closer, when you EQ them a tad. What I would like to see is a Jensen, Celestion, JBL.... other speaker mfg comparison. Are they all pretty much the same like a Gibson, SD, Dimarzio.....vintage PAF pickup??
@BarefacedAudio
@BarefacedAudio Жыл бұрын
You can’t actually do as much as you might think with EQ because EQ only changes the steady state frequency response - it can’t change the harmonic distortion, transient or dynamic response, or polar response. In the studio or miced on stage you can do a lot with mic, mic position and the rest of the signal chain but if you’re hearing the speaker in the room with a band you’re tied much more closely to what the speaker really sounds like.
@JC-fj7oo
@JC-fj7oo Жыл бұрын
That lead 80 sounds really good. It had the V30 attack but a but higher up. That jensen has a really nice tone too, super mellow. Creamback was pretty mellow too. I expected the hemp to be mellow, but it was really the opposite. Super scooped and clacky highs. That A-type had no highs and sounded like it has the flu.
@BarefacedAudio
@BarefacedAudio Жыл бұрын
The A-Type’s response is tailored (like many “American” sounding speakers) to mellow out the much brighter highs from the Fender tone stack vs the Marshall tone stack.
@jaco_h5013
@jaco_h5013 Жыл бұрын
Acquired 20 + years ago a pair of celestion g12h pre rola speakers (the hendrix one) taken from a 4x12 cab where the other 2 where damaged for £25 each and made a 2 x 12 cab half open back and they sounded absolutley amazing with a marshall dsl can't believe how ridiculous prices have recently gone to though killer speakers though 👍
@GWRFan281
@GWRFan281 Жыл бұрын
To my ears, the Creamback and Vintage 30 were the best 'all rounders'. They seemed to offer a balanced sound across all three sound clips. The Jensen was great right across the board. The Hempback was ok but didn't wow me and my least favourite was the Lead 80.
@diegobonaparte86
@diegobonaparte86 6 ай бұрын
Totally agree with your call, I thought the Creamback and the V30 sounded more open, less compressed... I could argue the call on the Hempback- I might rate it higher up on the list (probably 4th)- but, other than that, I share your views. I was surprised at some of Pete's & Lee's comments at the end, since I did not hear some of the things they said- most probably owing to KZfaq compression? I am listening through my stereo (Arcam 5.1, KEF speakers) so some of their final comments on tonality surprised me a bit, especially regarding the similarities between the Jensen & the V30- so I had to backtrack and listen to again a few times, finding the Jensen sounded a bit more compressed. It could also come down to personal preferences, I guess.
@j0w213
@j0w213 Жыл бұрын
really liked the hempback and the creamback in this comparison. 👍
@curtisprice9806
@curtisprice9806 Жыл бұрын
I clearly remember my Dad's original 1956 Fender Super amp...it had an original pair of Jensen gold foil 10" speakers in it's tweed covered pine box! They had such the sweetest sound with extreme definition when playing clean through them....compared to 12" greenbacks in a closed back 4 by 12!!! So....alnico magnet 10" speakers (Jensens') sounded REALLY different than the ceramic magnet 12" speakers (Celestions greenbacks)!!! Massive difference. The Jensen's had that classic Eric Clapton "White Room" and "Strange Brew" tone to the "T" !!!
@steffenbrix
@steffenbrix Жыл бұрын
Would love to a selection of Jensens. I think the Jensen wins over all Celestions. Always the same. GREAT video concept, guys! 👍👍
@lazvt8469
@lazvt8469 Жыл бұрын
I just replaced the speaker on my new Tone King Imperial with Cream Back M65 and WOW.......but....the Jensen here was just as nice. hmmmmm. My Blue Jr has the Eminence TREx...nice but it sounds small compared to the TKing with Em33 and especially with CB65's.
@doctorskull8197
@doctorskull8197 4 ай бұрын
Excellent demonstration! I swapped out a couple Celestions and Electro Voice and JBL’s in my Deluxe Reverb. I prefer Celestion but can’t tell much difference between various Celestions. Re: greenback, Creamback, Vintage 30, etc.
@WokeUpScreaming
@WokeUpScreaming Жыл бұрын
You should showcase the Celestion G15v-100. I have a cab with two in and it is THE sound I've always been looking for. Like a greenback.... but BIGGER 😁
@randysmith8770
@randysmith8770 Жыл бұрын
Put a V30 in a original US made HRD really liked it. Played a special edition HRD with a Creamback and was wowed by the sound. But this shootout has me thinking about the Hempback a lot! Thanks guys
@gtr1952
@gtr1952 Жыл бұрын
That was really interesting! About 3 years ago I was up to 9 cabs! I mixed/matched them with my collection of heads. Now I'm down to 5. I also have a Blues Jr. with that Jenson C-12 N and like it a lot! I had 2- 1X12 5/4 pine cabs built at MojoTone, each has a made in the UK Celestion Alnico Blue. A Celestion 50th Anniversary 2X12 (Made by MojoTone) w/ 2- Creambacks. A 2X12 that I over-built with Greenbacks, and a Mutt 1X12 with a Vintage 30. Those are the ones I use on a regular basis, and give me everything I need. I am always amazed at the amount of air, and sound that comes out of a 2X12 w/ just a 20w all tube head!! It is more than enough for a 150 person capacity bar!! Even a small outside venue!! JMHO's Peace --gary
@victorbeebe8372
@victorbeebe8372 Жыл бұрын
Years ago back in mid eighties to early ninties, I had a Marshall open back combo with Vintage 30. Was my dirty sound.
@RsSquier51
@RsSquier51 Жыл бұрын
Speakers can make such a big difference, even between say a 12 and 10 inch version of the same speaker. I own 22 different replacement speakers for this reason. Celestion, Jensen, Warehouse Guitar Speakers (WGS) , Eminence. Love mixing a couple in a 2x12 cab and also mixing a 12 with a 10 inch.
@johnscott6072
@johnscott6072 Жыл бұрын
The Creamback and Hempback were my favorites. The clarity in those speakers sounded great.
@johnclark1000
@johnclark1000 Жыл бұрын
Very interesting I enjoyed this show!
@chemajimenez447
@chemajimenez447 Жыл бұрын
I bought a Hughes & Kettner Tubemeister 36 Combo from Anderton's 4 years ago, It was my first valve amp and i was very excited. But, when i first played it at home, i was very dissapointed. The sound was terrible (to my ears, of course): it was thin and spikey. The clean channel was lifeless and sounded horrible with pedals. Crunch and Lead channel were a little better, but not as good as i was expecting. It was loaded with a Celestion Vintage 30. I tried to sell the amp a few times. Then i decided to change the spealer for a Celestion G12H-75 Creamback. The result was incredible. The clean channel sounded way better, not incredibly good but better. Both the Crunch and Lead channels were amazing!!. A very rich tone, beautifull overdriven sound and very defined. Yes, the speaker can make a huge difference. Great video guys. Best wishes from Spain!!.
@musiccreation1198
@musiccreation1198 Жыл бұрын
Perfect timing for me guys !!
@matthorner35
@matthorner35 Жыл бұрын
Speakers make the biggest difference to overall tone I've found. I have a Marshall DSL running into a 2x12 loaded with a cream back on top and a v30 underneath - the mix of warmth and chime from the v30 makes the amp unbelievably easy to dial in.
@thorestey
@thorestey Жыл бұрын
Glenn Fricker agrees :D
@trawl7880
@trawl7880 Жыл бұрын
Great video guys, Going to replace the Cannibis Rex in the tolex jr I have. Creamback all the way. and you know the way sometimes a guitar video demo the player will have like all their pedals on some vintage Dumbl and be like , this is an awesome sounding guitar. and you cant even hear the pickups, just the rig. Your video however is uber proper with the a/b switch thru the same pre and a loop too for consistency. most excellent got skillz
@PhillyGonthekeys
@PhillyGonthekeys Жыл бұрын
Great video you guys are the best in the biz
@grahamtinkler4562
@grahamtinkler4562 Жыл бұрын
If my new amp had the Jenson I would be quite happy. Least favourite was the A-Type, I'm thinking the Hemp sounded a little compressed but would probably be the best of all after a few hours use.
@sub-jec-tiv
@sub-jec-tiv Жыл бұрын
If i were starting a jam band i’d call it The Hempback Wails. 🙄 The Hempback and Creamback both sound gorgeous, maybe i need to get one. 👀
@comeback1827
@comeback1827 9 ай бұрын
Thanks for this vidéo ! The différenciés was more interesting in the katana vidéo because of his clearish cleans !
@Rafaelluques
@Rafaelluques Жыл бұрын
What most changes a tone is always the speaker. On clean are very similar, although I really like Hemp and Classic 80. With distortion: V30, C80, Hemp, Cream Back, Jensen and A-type in this sequence. There's a very good video that even shows a test changing only speakers and how they influence the tone compared to changing tubes, guitars, pickups. By far the most influential is the Speaker.
@NINEWALKING
@NINEWALKING Жыл бұрын
Long story short you made me order the Celestion Hempback. I am not sure how did that one passed by me to be honest. After watching this video for the first time I have almost ordered it directly. Than decided to watch all videos about the Hempback and got disappointed by the other videos and lack of the quality of those. After it watched this one, once more, on my studio setup with 384KHz 32bit 129 dB signal to noise sound card and pair of Adam A7X Studio monitors supported by Adam Sub7 (small room so it is not even really needed). First time was on my TV setup with Sound bar few days ago. I thought, from what I have heard first time, Creamback and Hempback did best job and gave most of the resolution and sound the way it should be. Mind you I love Creamback H and Creamback Alnico. I have played Bartel cab with 8 Ohm Alnico Cream with my amp and it was glorious. Now, some or most of the Celestion Speakers will sound bit harsh in the beginning. Break in is real thing. Highs become nicer, more precise and less harsh and both midrange as well as lows get more balanced. Also Not all speakers are created/designed the same. Some are ment for loud playing. Some are made for closed back cabinets. Some are made for open back cabinets. Some need bigger cabinet and the others work good in the smaller cabinets as well. Also some are made for 4x12 cabinets. Like do the Classic lead in 1960B 4x12 and suddenly bass is there if driven loud and with good amp. Disregarding that speakers have their name and type same speakers do not sound same in 8 and 16 Ohm versions. One are most of the times darker. Each speaker fits certain amplifier and certain application the best. Now I own few speakers and have owned and played so many speakers over the decades I am playing electric guitars. Speakers and cabinet it self can break or make the amplifier. Even great boutique amps can sound poor with bad cabinet. I have had the testing session in the rehearsal room and I have used a cab that was available there. I could not even recognise the amp. I thought something was broken but amp was loud and was working normal. To be able to hear a difference best possible one should have everything on the very high level or the other gear might hide the nuances of the tone. That means highend guitar, really good pedal board if possible with something like G3 and Great amp. Next to it cables make huge difference as well. Whole rig has to be set up properly regarding to buffering as well. I also test a lot using just guitar, cables, amp and cab. Always testing on different levels of gain and different levels of volume. I build amps and I have a nice rig with G3, great amp, few very good guitars, few cabs with different speakers. When designing an amp you have to make sure it is going to sound good with common speakers. Like V30. With average mid priced tube amplifier V30 is sort of the upgrade. It's extended top range and British type of midds as well as nice powerful bottom in 2x12 and 4x12 application. But be vary about their beam projection of the top end. Now take the same cabinet with that V30 and connect it to a real high end 6 grand plus custom built amplifier. Suddenly, when compared to proper high end cabinet, details are simply not there. Gain structure sounds cheap and top end is spiky and harsh. Even speaker like 15" Celestion Fullback has way more richer sound. Way more layered structure and more details. Both on clean and the driven. I have tested with cheap 2x12 V30 from Framus and with really good Kool Amplification Vintage open back 2X12 loaded with Creamback M and Creamback H. Difference is day and night. Creamback H has top and bottom and richness and M model ads midds. In good cabinet ist sounds awesome. Suddenly V30 is good for high gain application with high gain amps. It does not do good in blues nor it does a great rock sound when paired with epic amplifiers. If you have top guitar like Murphy Lab Gibson or Private Stock PRS or some boutique built axe. Also you have awesome pedal board too. Still if you do not have really epic amplifier with a great cabinet you have no idea what you are missing. You think it sounds good but actually you have 0 clue. Once you hear it on point to point handmade custom boutique amplifier with very good cabinet you will just understand you have to make money for it. Only then you can also hear the real difference between speakers to. While then you are listening to a speaker and not to all the rest dragging the tone down. Great amplifier and great cab is very addictive. Once you hear it and feel it you will never be the same again.
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