Do These Apps Make the iPad Worth it?

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In this clip, Andrew and David talk about the new Final Cut and Logic apps for iPad!
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@sakenu16 Ай бұрын

No too expensive for these subscription apps. Tired of all these subscriptions. Some of us just want to pay a onetime fee and don’t need all new features.

@Dk-qf8dd Ай бұрын

Sucks that Apple “pushes” in-app or subscription.

@PSy84 Ай бұрын

it's actually cheaper for subscription. I had a project for 2 weeks and I subscribed to Canva and immediately unsubscribed in settings but it will expire in 1 month but wont renew. Most pro mac apps are 300usd etc and subscription apps in ipad are like 20 and many people can start using if they dont have 300usd and that's just 1 app

@Oxol33 Ай бұрын

With iOS App Store they can force you to update to the subscription-only version.

@npcimknot958 Ай бұрын

@@Dk-qf8ddso many of my apps that were free is now all sub.. i wish I never updated the apps..

@JordanKyle Ай бұрын

I think Andrew has a great point at 5:15 about small businesses just wanting to try to create some content and using their phones. Not only are they cameras people likely already have on hand, but the system is going to be extremely intuitive. Most small businesses who could afford a few canons aren’t going to have someone who knows what lenses to get, capture cards for each camera, a dedicated computer with OBS, an Atem to switch between camera angles, etc. I can see a ton of small businesses or non-tech savvy creators using this

@velvetrooster5569 Ай бұрын

I think the best thing that got said here was in the middle of a segment when one person said. I AM SO OVER SUBSCRIPTION FEES BECAUSE HONESTLY, I’M TIRED OF EVERYTHING BEING A SUBSCRIPTION FEE.

@TroikaMexicana Ай бұрын

Im a podcast producer for a network and we actually shoot multi cam podcasts on 3 iPhones haha so the Final Cut live feature is great for us 😊. I edit live while feeding the guests questions and it’s a great workflow (but I know I’m in the major major minority here)

@TohPhimmasenh Ай бұрын

No its a great feature these guys just love to hate

@Tonabillity Ай бұрын

I just love the fact that iPads aren’t for everybody. It’s called the iPad Pro because they MADE it for MINORITIES like US. Professionals!! Professionals who will pay any price to get the results that we crave. videographers,cinematographers, artists, illustrators, animators and designers. Everyone else can take a hike as far as I’m concerned. Or sit around, whining about how much they feel excluded🙄 With the launching of ZBrush on the iPad, I honestly don’t care WHAT they think 🤷🏽‍♂️ Quit bitching about Apple and just buy the device you want Problem solved!

@M16-bf4ku Ай бұрын

"Yeah" "All my grandparents are dead✨✨✨✨"

@stephenstrussvideo Ай бұрын

"Devils Advocate for iPad 2" hahahaha

@sloppynyuszi Ай бұрын

Procreate, Callipeg are my main go to apps on the iPad, and the new power should help, but I think the RAM is the bottle neck on most raster 2d animation apps. I’ll be sticking to nomad, but I think full Zbrush coming to iPad is another good reason to upgrade.

@marcomunoz1146 Ай бұрын

That’s the reason not to upgrade my M1 iPad. It can still run all the apps and the OS is still the same. The new screen, design, and accessories aren’t worth the $2000 upgrade. At that point, just get a MacBook

@allste626 Ай бұрын

Yep. I'm still chillin' with my M1 IPad pro and M1 MacBook Air. Don't plan on upgrading any time soon.

@kyleyoung8179 Ай бұрын

@@allste626this is the way

@PSy84 Ай бұрын

most who upgrade already have macbook though. And most will sell their ipads and magic keyboard and pencil to get the new ones so it's not that expensive

@bosstowndynamics5488 Ай бұрын

I agree that the M4 isn't really valuable in an iPad in most cases (it *might* be useful for video editing, I have no experience myself with video editing on a tablet), but a MacBook isn't really a substitute for an iPad, Apple specifically refuses to produce such a step up product. For buying a MacBook to make sense as a direct step up it would need a touchscreen and some flavour of 2 in 1 design.

@3mar00ss6 Ай бұрын

the m1 iPad was trash and the new one isn't any different lol

@YoungZ1314 Ай бұрын

11:36 Rihanna's Umbrella & Usher's Love In This Club use Apple Loops in the production. Plenty of other songs but these are the first that come to mind.

@m.hreels9822 Ай бұрын

I do think you guys overanalyze the whole Final Cut and Logic Pro discussion about the name. I have a lot of mixed opinions on everything you said. As a video editor who has been editing for about 20 years, I do think some of the upgrades in Final Cut are worth it! I don't think the Final Cut Camera is completely useless. I think it can be really helpful for film students or kids who don't have enough money to get a camera yet, and they can all use their iPhones. But in a professional setting, yeah, I agree not many people are going to use that professionally. You need to remember most of Apple's apps are more for beginners, helping people get started learning the software. Later on, they transition to more professional equipment, cameras, software, etc.

@defyiant Ай бұрын

Thanks for this clip i like you guys clips on apps

@tom_4615 Ай бұрын

You can’t copyright drum parts or bass lines.. you can copyright the mechanical recordings, so if you just rip a bass line from a track and put it in yours, that’s copyrightable but if you re-recorded the part, no matter how accurate it is the the original, it’s uncopyrightable. This is because the copyright is on not the composition, not the notes on a page, but it is on the actual original physical recording

@bosstowndynamics5488 Ай бұрын

Actually the composition and the written music are both copyrightable works, it's just that there's automatic licensing built in to music copyright that confers cover rights under most* circumstances *I'm not a lawyer, I wouldn't want to give specific legal advice over when covers are legal specifically, I'm just aware they do exist and they're the reason that copyright doesn't block covers.

@tom_4615 Ай бұрын

@@bosstowndynamics5488 true, again I’m also not a lawyer but I’ve had a few music business/industry classes before and I’m just remembering from that. I think covers are fine as long as you get permission from a label which isn’t too difficult. Or if you’re a small artist, you do it without permission and just hope no one notices But yeah I’m really not sure All I know for definite is you can’t copyright drums and bass on a composition level

@Ether820 Ай бұрын

Never really picked up a tablet but I'm getting close to considering an iPad now. The Pencil Pro and M4 are the things making me actually consider it now.

@cheese9812 Ай бұрын

i just upgraded from a 12.9 inch 2020 iPad Pro and it was worth the upgrade. I mainly use it for content consumption, reading, and responding to comments on youtube/reddit/X. The display is amazing and plenty bright, not to mention how thin it is.

@JarradShaw Ай бұрын

I have used 3-4 iPhones to shoot video and potentially make live streams (I kept all my iPhones because I saw this with OB and other programs).

@jasenhenry Ай бұрын

thumbnail looks like Sketch "whats up brother"

@PhillipTTruong 24 күн бұрын

Dude more of Ellis please

@cebo494 Ай бұрын

I have to assume they'll make the Final Cut multi-cam thing work with 3rd party cameras. They've got to right?

@keerthan7558 Ай бұрын

nope they said just iphone cameras according to dave2d

@cebo494 Ай бұрын

@@keerthan7558 yeah, but "eventually". I just don't see "get everyone to do all video production on iphone" to be realistic. But "let people use the gear they have to edit video on the go" seems much more promising. I'd assume that the extra money they'd make from charging a subscription for the ipad app would be worth more than the number of extra iphones they sell just because one app has this one iphone exclusive feature.

@makcraft Ай бұрын

I guess this is the connectivity thing? Other makers will not be increasing their device price twofold just for Apple tax so it has that dodad to connect to an iPad.

@christopherfernandez6245 Ай бұрын

Fgt Final cut camera you guys should use Ecamm for recording your pod live! I'd love to help you guys get set up.

@Johan92Johansson Ай бұрын

The simple fact that Safari on ipad opens mobile web siter rather than the desktop version shows that ipads with M2 and M4 still are overpowerd iphones. I have realized that IpadOS and macOS are far to diffrent to be simply combined. And I think at this point that the iPad Pro models should run MACOS with an ipad overlay for those not using magic keyboards.

@ashashmit Ай бұрын

Where is Marques?

@Bmontepeque11 Ай бұрын

iPads are quite interesting, they are very desirable, they sell you on the lifestyle and all of that. But in reality I only use up my iPad to read manga and documents, so even then I don't need the OLED iPads and everything that I want (That's why I've only got the regular 9th gen iPad (I do like the new 10th gen design though))

@pikachusolu1606 Ай бұрын

APPLE IS THE BEST TECH COMPANY OUT THERE AND NO ONE CAN CHANGE MY MIND.

@smiththewright Ай бұрын

Yes

@conorlunt Ай бұрын

I wonder if you could use the new Atomos ninja phone and then use the live cut in Final Cut to use a professional camera. The ninja phone can only do 1080p, though.

@michaelmm94 Ай бұрын

Apple making an incremental change, acting like its revolutionary and releasing it as a new product. How uncharacteristic of them.

@musicmind7582 Ай бұрын

Every change in tech now is incremental.

@allste626 Ай бұрын

@@musicmind7582 To be fair, we've hit a wall. There is legitimate reason for it. The issue is trying to deceive their customer base into thinking they are actually releasing something "new" that's priced fairly - which simply isn't the case. But at the same time, Apple customers (including myself) are notorious for gulping down whatever they shove down our throats... so I can't really fault them for doing what works.

@michaelmm94 Ай бұрын

@@musicmind7582 step outside the apple ecosystem, yes sorta true but apple does it to exhaustion

@Rudgged Ай бұрын

And yet the iPad is the best selling tablet in the world, your tears mean nothing 🤡

@michaelmm94 Ай бұрын

@@Rudgged Damn bro is heavily invested in a company that doesn't care about him. Sad. 🤡

@AliH-cd7kk Ай бұрын

fab video!

@bosstowndynamics5488 Ай бұрын

Transformers *are* machine learning though, and there's lots of really basic, small transformers around. LLMs are just the most recent, most hyped category of transformer, but there's also all of the non-large language models that preceded them and all sorts of prior transformer based systems all the way back to early machine translators. Mathematically, these are all just stacks of matrix multiplications that embed into a latent space as well, so some layers could just be thought of as really complex look up tables with extra steps. IMHO the use of the term "AI" to refer to machine learning is fine, it's a more broadly understood term and machine learning *is* a form of artificial thought/artificial intelligence, the problem is the marketing hype that's recently been attached to it and Silicon Valley's deliberate attempts to make people think of Artificial General Intelligence when they roll out a new product with an unnecessary and very basic application specific AI function

@ReR7474 Ай бұрын

FCP for iPad Pro M2 only has gotten a couple of updates in a year!! Despite being a year fee. Lame!

@Edress786 Ай бұрын

What hell is going on at 1:05 - with the scream.

@slick3996 Ай бұрын

soundboard

@Edress786 Ай бұрын

@@slick3996 you forgot to put quotations around the word.

@slick3996 Ай бұрын

@@Edress786 fair enough, i never understood why podcast people feel the need to use those

@joshnsolomon Ай бұрын

Chromaglow just adds the audio equivalent of film grain. It’s just some mild distortion

@NoNamicekk Ай бұрын

And still no calculator, because "pros" don't use those apparently... XD

@npcimknot958 Ай бұрын

2:12 of course this had a catch.. 4 cameras. 4 more subscriptions..

@AdelAlberk Ай бұрын

for an iPad user that doesn't have a mac/pc final cut for iPad is a great app in general Davinci resolve is quite complicated and in my experience is slow (i have ipad pro 12.9 m2) lumafusion is great but i prefer final cut UI and the 5 usd monthly isn't bad, shitty app that only do ONE job charge 10 usd

@ctrl4969 Ай бұрын

Imma keep my m1 ipad pro 12.9 for another year or 2 lol its been more than enough for me

@unblairable Ай бұрын

for some reason i thought ellis was wearing smitty werbenjagermanjensen’s soda can hat from that one spongebob episode

@otrapendejada Ай бұрын

Dave2d gave a real good example of the live cams.

@NotGarrettG Ай бұрын

I’d FR rather pay ONE TIME. What happens when Apple closes shop. There goes everything in the garden too… atleast I’ll have a physical phone. A physical computer. A physical watch.

@TroikaMexicana Ай бұрын

The richest company in the world is not closing shop anytime soon haha

@oljobo Ай бұрын

If ChatGpt 4.o becomes part of iOS18, and a lot of the AI functions runs locally on the M4 processor, then maybe… 😊

@shananderson9339 Ай бұрын

Multi-cam is perfect for education where all my students have iPhones and they can now make a multi cut video for class presentations.

@npcimknot958 Ай бұрын

And pay for subscription

@soulesss Ай бұрын

Idk if it’s just me but I heard a woman scream (moan?) in 1:04 AHAHHAHA

@M16-bf4ku Ай бұрын

yeah man I thought it was my mother in law😭😭

@racalot2003 Ай бұрын

What the heck you’re right

@Zodiacman16 Ай бұрын

its on their soundboard lol

@soulesss Ай бұрын

@@Zodiacman16 WHY WOULD THEY PLAY THAT AT A WEIRD MOMENT 😭😭😭

@bokbokeh Ай бұрын

it's from their sound effect library, they have one where marques going "whoops!" too 😂

@dplj4428 Ай бұрын

10:27 Marvin Gay’s family challenged use of copyright two less than two bars.

@alexelectricx Ай бұрын

Lol last Apple product I bought was an ipod touch :P

@JSUTrumpet Ай бұрын

These dudes spend money on atwitter check mark that does nothing. But complain about $5 a month.

@TransplantHelper Ай бұрын

No body can afford 4 iPhones and an iPad

Ай бұрын

For musicians at least, yes all the time.

@offbeatme Ай бұрын

I make my podcast with 3 iPhones! I do everything alone and I can’t travel with 3 cameras

@Remixthisgaming Ай бұрын

Apple's audio sounds really good. It's also extremely overpriced, which means it's not very good for the price comparison.

@rigobertomuniz4332 Ай бұрын

Hey, Gregs down 2 right now wait reviews.😅

@JarradShaw Ай бұрын

Yes! ML and AI is the same, right?!

@nicoli8437 Ай бұрын

I was expecting something from Adobe

@dplj4428 Ай бұрын

Chromaglow adds noise.

@Jturn4682 Ай бұрын

All my grandparents are dead 😢😢😢

@ghostbaleada Ай бұрын

They should put macOS the performance of M series chips is bottlenecked by iOS

@user-xj9vf4xb9p Ай бұрын

They would never do that

@eugeneputin1858 Ай бұрын

Without watching the video but answering the video title directly, no.

@Crispiegames Ай бұрын

ipad software has been one of those "only apple can do" thing where they keep handicapping the product itself by superior hardware and SEVERLY LIMITED software. Till they fix the software the product is always going to end up in this sad state.

@jamesthenewb Ай бұрын

Buy your podcasting mom 4x iPhones!

@SamGarfield1 Ай бұрын

"Apple is the best audio in the world." Made me spit out my coffee!

@daa5014 Ай бұрын

No Brownlee, no thanks.

@keerthan7558 Ай бұрын

Now you have to pay macbook air type of money for watching KZfaq videos on ur ipad for an hour or so🎉🎉. Let's goo🔥🔥🔥

@ethany.2981 Ай бұрын

The new iPad Air costs $600... I want to know where you're finding MacBook airs for that

@keerthan7558 Ай бұрын

@@ethany.2981 refurbished m1 mba goes for around that price. All the new Ipad pros cost similar to a brand new MBA or even more. If you max out a 13" ipad pro it comes to $2000 fyi . Won't be surprised if ipad air also gets a huge price hike in upcoming releases

@JJohnson313 Ай бұрын

Simple answer: Yes.

@yalopov Ай бұрын

@datAero Ай бұрын

12 inci MacBook Air is the way

@impulsesystems Ай бұрын

Sony phones can do the live-streaming but maybe not the switching. I don't believe iPads can do this either.

@m.hreels9822 Ай бұрын

I thought it was really morbid when you guys were all joking and laughing about your dead grandparents 😮

@Itsdannydp Ай бұрын

That shit was hilarious what you mean 💀

@m.hreels9822 Ай бұрын

@@Itsdannydp Geez, what is wrong with you? 😬 The fact that you think that's hilarious is truly disturbing! Not going to lie, you need help if you think it's that funny to disrespect your grandparents that way. Please get some therapy. 🙏🏻

@velvetrooster5569 Ай бұрын

I AM SO OVER SUBSCRIPTION FEES

@WellnessOverFitness Ай бұрын

Final cut for ipad should be literally a $20-$50 one time purchase! For a useless app it sounds like a scam. Adobe destroyed the whole proconsumer apps market by starting this stupid subscription plans

@wolfisraging Ай бұрын

is he taking mkbhd's seat?

@jaleelakram2232 Ай бұрын

Other than you tubers no one use these app day to day... apple know youtubers will speak on it but 99 percent of the people who buy ipad don't care

@TransplantHelper Ай бұрын

Final Cut for iPad is crap. It’s rough cut pro at best. Every tech channel covered it once and then went silent

@me_amangupta Ай бұрын

ipad review ????

@ashishpatel350 Ай бұрын

nope

@thomaswilliams2012 Ай бұрын

I care!

@s91145 Ай бұрын

Blame apple to put M series chips on iPad. They should have stuck with A series chips and you all guys would be quiet. I still remember how Steve jobs introduced iPad as a category between iPhones and mac and being better in doing few things better than both. I think Apple still sticks to that though the hardware has advanced ten folds. I don’t think they should even think on putting Mac OS on ipad and spoil the touch first beauty of ipad. MacOS will look trash on ipad in its current form as a PC designed OS. See how horrible is touch on windows laptops and how that went. What Apple should do is release apps that performs better than on iPhones and Mac which will make the original argument by Steve and authenticity of ipad relevant again. They have started doing this with their pro apps but we need more.

@John24Russell Ай бұрын

@ShazammtheProducer Ай бұрын

lol wow bro that stumped you guys lol Final Cut on the iPad is trash true

@keerthan7558 Ай бұрын

They should really stop trying to upsell ipads as laptop replacements, it's too clunky and limited to use like one . Running Macos on it will either make Macs more frustrating to use or ipads too crammed. Base Ipad probably won't even run it. People should limit their expectations and just use it like a tablet.Let Apple add a proper file management system before selling this as a "pro" device instead of unnecessary cpu upgrades🤡.

@user-xj9vf4xb9p Ай бұрын

Then what's the point of putting the desktop class processor in there if you can't use it like that

@keerthan7558 Ай бұрын

@@user-xj9vf4xb9p marketing gimmick to further create an image that you should spend more money on their over priced $1k-2k tablets . Their A12z was already plenty Powerful for a tablet.

@nahornig Ай бұрын

Who let this ramble-fest even happen?

@npcimknot958 Ай бұрын

What’s even the point of this.. everything is being replaced by ai

@melgross Ай бұрын

It’s amazing how easily these guys get confused. Maybe they shouldn’t be doing this. I know they like to be funny…but they don’t seem to understand any of this.

@jay.jay.1 Ай бұрын

It’s confusing to you . U don’t get it lol 😂

@jan_gideon Ай бұрын

“if you’re not using transformers, then call it machine learning” ??? Please check the things you say before saying absurd things

@P4TCH5S Ай бұрын

Omg when u guys say basic things are very confusing… facepalm. Ure gonna struggle in the metaverse in 2030

@Realdaveromero Ай бұрын

This episode made me want to stop watching your podcast. You guys argue like old men over your beloved type writer getting outshined by a computer. And you just “don’t get it”. Let devices shine when they upgrade them. Stop living in the past in the land of what you know and what makes you comfortable. As tech reviewers you need to embrace change and adapt.

@ShazammtheProducer Ай бұрын

Without my guy this pod is just weird

@deltadom33 Ай бұрын

Can't you use AI to generate the whole song

@ZoneTan10 Ай бұрын

Where's MKBHD? These guys only apply the iPad to their use case. I love my 13" and don't use the crap they are talking about. It works amazing with my workflow but they shit on it because it won't work with theirs. Useless reviews really

@skyscraperfan Ай бұрын

Four iPhones seems a lot, but if each of you has an iPhone for example, that's already four iPhones.

@luiseduardoguillen Ай бұрын

funny, as funny as using RED cameras to shoot this podcast...

@shuggfilmzandstudio2354 Ай бұрын

I don't understand how you all are so obsessed with the idea of having MacOS on iPads. You will be asking MacOS on a damn phone to one day. If you want MacOS on iPad, then just get a MacBook Air its thin and light weight, iPad isn't for you. That idea is just dumb.

@AidanSilnes Ай бұрын

It’s not dumb at all. The newest IPad Pro just debuted their M4 chip which means it’s more than powerful enough to run MacOS. Why is it dumb to want to be able to use a superior operating system on a device more than powerful enough to run said OS?

@TykoBrian7 Ай бұрын

Hi, Tim Cook 😂

@user-xj9vf4xb9p Ай бұрын

It's certainly not the Apple way of doing things. It will never happen. It does suck though since we know iOS will never be able to replace Mac OS for productivity.

@fkcombustion Ай бұрын

Lookup Samsung Dex

@housepianist Ай бұрын

⁠⁠@@AidanSilnesI tend to agree with not porting MacOS on the iPad Pro. Just because the M4 iPad Pro can run MacOS doesn’t mean it should. Having said that, I realize that iPadOS is a relative lightweight system that doesn’t need the power of the M4. I think what Apple is trying to do is “encourage” developers to create Mac-like apps for this new chip, and it seems that Final Cut Pro and other similar apps understand that. I think if more developers would take advantage of the power of the iPad Pro and create Mac-like apps that can take advantage of the benefits of iPadOS without the overly technical aspects of MacOS that MOST people wouldn’t ever use. As a composer, I have used Sibelius (when I had a MacBook) and currently using Dorico for my M2 iPad Pro and many times, I wish I could have the ability to add certain sound libraries to it which are not available for iPadOS. If developers could somehow add that to those apps, it would be perfect. But after emailing Sibelius and NotePerformer about maybe adding that to iPadOS, they said they have no interest in porting those sound libraries but *maybe* it would be considered. OK, I’m not AGAINST adding MacOS to the iPad but it’s not needed, especially when developers can create robust versions of their apps for the iPad.