Do They Still Make New VCRs?

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Ай бұрын

Have you ever wondered if new VCRs are still being made? Is there still a company somewhere out there who are still cranking them out? We know the VCR is pretty much dead here in North America, but is there a remote country in some far-flung region of the world where the VCR is still king?
In this video, I examine this question. I talk about a specific company, and their history making the wonderful video cassette recorder.
As I mention in the video, I still have a fondness for VCRs and VHS tape. There are still old and obscure movies out there that have never been released on any digital format. Sometimes your only hope of finding that forgotten gem is on VHS tape. And it is obvious any time you visit a thrift store, there are still many old VHS tapes out there to be found, often at very low prices.
I recall vividly the 80s, and how major VCRs were at that time. Everybody and their dog seemed to have one, and renting movies on the weekend seems to be a golden memory of many an 80s kid. It was certainly a huge part of my youth!
But is there still enough of a demand for new VCRs to be manufactured? Are there people out there actually still looking to buy new VCRs? And are they being sold anywhere in the world? Watch the video to find out!
I still own a VCR, but as I mentioned, I only use it very minimally. As I said above, sometimes I need it to watch one of those obscure finds. Or maybe I need to digitize an old tape from long ago.
Do you still own a VCR? What brand is it? Do you actually still use it? Do you collect VHS tapes? Is there a prized tape in your collection? Feel free to share a comment!
On this channel I post videos relating to retro and vintage technology. Things like cassettes, CDs, old cameras, laser disc, radios, TVs, DVDs, vinyl, VCRs, home recording gear, microphones, mixers, synthesizers, drum machines, video games, and so much more. If this is your thing, please subscribe!

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@SPiRiT369
@SPiRiT369 23 күн бұрын
People will never understand the good old times, how exciting and good it felt to rent a movie 😩
@ntal5859
@ntal5859 22 күн бұрын
Until you had to rewind it.
@scoobyblu5815
@scoobyblu5815 21 күн бұрын
And service it🤯
@Gamevet
@Gamevet 19 күн бұрын
@@ntal5859 We rented a DVD and I joked with my wife and told her that we had to rewind it. She asked "Really?"
@Joe-ey7cu
@Joe-ey7cu 18 күн бұрын
When you stream, you are at their mercy. When you own, it's there for the rest of your days.
@scoobyblu5815
@scoobyblu5815 18 күн бұрын
@@Joe-ey7cu TubeMate if you don't know how to do it
@video99couk
@video99couk 24 күн бұрын
I sit here surrounded by about 100 video cassette recorders. But that's what I do. Some people don't realise how many formats there are for home machines, camcorders and professional, including: SVHS Beta SuperBeta V2000 N1500 N1700 SVC CVC Video8 Hi8 Digital8 miniDV DV DVCAM HDV DVCPRO DVCPRO-50 DVCPRO-HD micromv U-matic U-maticSP Betacam BetacamSP Digital_Betacam HDCAM HDCAM-SR MII and more. I have working machines for all of these formats.
@janmos5178
@janmos5178 22 күн бұрын
Good.
@shdvf767
@shdvf767 21 күн бұрын
U da man! Congrats! I wish I had all the knowledge you have. I'm in love with analog broadcast formats.
@thefreestylefrEaK
@thefreestylefrEaK 8 күн бұрын
I HATE tape.
@jonfreeman9682
@jonfreeman9682 7 күн бұрын
Analogue media will always have a special place in my heart. Cassette and VHS tapes is what I grew up with and I used to have a good collection. I even have a few vinyl. Good times.
@Joscraft_05
@Joscraft_05 5 күн бұрын
I have 2 digital 8 cameras a TRV255E and a higher end TRV730E that one being a megapixel one and also now a Super VHS-C Panasonic NV VS4EG with TBC, great cameras.
@patriciamuggli5071
@patriciamuggli5071 26 күн бұрын
My autistic son (28) still wants to watch his favorite VHS tapes so I am always on the lookout for working VCRs. I have had poor luck at thrift stores, because the units never seem to work. I have recently purchased one through Facebook marketplace from a guy who refurbishes them. I would love to find a brand new one!
@Adithprakash-yx1hu
@Adithprakash-yx1hu 25 күн бұрын
Hey i am autistic too 😢
@alexanderbohlen5923
@alexanderbohlen5923 25 күн бұрын
you can repair one
@9852323
@9852323 25 күн бұрын
Trust me you don’t want a new one. They are cheaply made junk.
@tedwardtaylortv
@tedwardtaylortv 25 күн бұрын
@@Adithprakash-yx1huand me!
@user-ni7tg5fg9k
@user-ni7tg5fg9k 25 күн бұрын
P-O-R-N😂😂😂😂
@tyjuarez
@tyjuarez 23 күн бұрын
a few inaccuracies 1. Funai is pronounced like foon-EYE. 2. Their VCRs were rebadged as many different brands in the 2000s. Sanyo, Toshiba, Mitsubishi, Hitachi etc. 3. Sony discontinued Betamax much earlier than stated in the video. The format discontinued in 2015 was BetaCAM, a series of many different tape based formats used in the broadcast industry.
@gearmeister
@gearmeister 12 күн бұрын
Very good! Funai bought the segment of Phillips, the Dutch company that invented so many technologies but didn't really understand how to market them properly...
@jamesconroy7030
@jamesconroy7030 12 күн бұрын
Emerson, SV 2000, Magnavox, Sylvania, and Philips too. Also, the last VCRs in 2016 were DVD recorder combo units. Nothing like the image they showed.
@HermanIdzerda
@HermanIdzerda 8 күн бұрын
Well I've got one
@snakesonn3590
@snakesonn3590 8 күн бұрын
are you a homosexual?
@JohnKobaRuddy
@JohnKobaRuddy 7 күн бұрын
A yank/Canadian pronouncing things wrong? Well colour me surprised. Give them any word and they'll set about drilling it's kneecaps.
@JoeNuttss
@JoeNuttss 25 күн бұрын
In 2021 I managed to find myself a CRT TV with a VCR built in for £3 at a car boot sale, and to this day I still use it and occasionally watch VHS tapes on it. I do sometimes buy VHS tapes, and I have quite a large collection, but it's not too often when I actually sit down and watch a VHS tape nowadays
@jC-kc4si
@jC-kc4si 24 күн бұрын
Must be a small tv combo that fits in the trunk of a car. 13 inch?
@JoeNuttss
@JoeNuttss 24 күн бұрын
@@jC-kc4si exactly that, yeah. Like the ones you'd see in a small bedroom in the late 90s, early 2000s
@user-uh4gd4od9y
@user-uh4gd4od9y 23 күн бұрын
you don't use VHS and a CRT TV for high quality , but for nostalgia and good memories as a child
@urracojalpa4481
@urracojalpa4481 18 күн бұрын
I have a bunch of old VHS and a couple of VCRs but I never use it because there's always something wrong with the tape: it's either video glitches, head tracking or audio problems. VHS are too unreliable, back then we would put up with it because there was no alternative, but today there is.
@JoeNuttss
@JoeNuttss 18 күн бұрын
@urracojalpa4481 mold on VHS tapes are also sadly a huge issue, and a big disadvantage (for me anyway) to continue collecting VHS tapes.
@JungKook-up1ws
@JungKook-up1ws 8 күн бұрын
Watching movies on vhs tapes just feels different and nostalgic. It reminds me of how I felt when I was a child watching "tremors" and "honey i shrunk my kids" for the first time. The smell and sound of the vcr player, the way the vhs tape enters and clicks, all are very nostalgic to me.
@semectual
@semectual 28 күн бұрын
I still have my old Sharp VC-H982U VCR, 4-Head Hi-Fi Stereo from 1998, still in the living room and like you, I use it from time to time to copy old VHS tapes to DVD. The unit is still going strong after 26 years!
@baronhausenpheffer
@baronhausenpheffer 21 күн бұрын
I think if some company out there started producing VCRs as a retro item -- even at $100, $120 -- there would be a small but strong boutique market for them. In the world of music, retro media players have made huge comebacks -- first vinyl, then more recently audio cassettes. Why there has been no similar revival for the VHS video format, which lasted considerably larger, had a bigger cultural impact, and whose movies are still relatively easy to come by -- is beyond me. VHS tapes are still all over the place. It's the working players and replacement parts that are getting scarce.
@SmallSpoonBrigade
@SmallSpoonBrigade 12 күн бұрын
The issue with VCRs is that the magnetic tape isn't very well shielded, so a bunch of the tapes that are out there have been damaged over time by being too close to a TV. And, just like most of those other formats you're listing, they don't really add anything that is objectively positive, each use degrades them and over time they break. Sure, some people do use them, but it's usually for nostalgia. CRT TVs though at least do have a legitimate use for retrogaming as some games depended upon the technology for effects like light guns and transparency.
@seanmckelvey6618
@seanmckelvey6618 9 күн бұрын
I highly doubt the market would be large enough to make such an effort profitable in the slightest. No one manufactures the components for VCRs anymore, Tapes are harder to find in the wild and many have degraded beyond a watchable point by now. There will always be a small scene of hobbyists who are attracted to the nostalgic retro factor, but I don't see old video formats going through the same revival as audio has. If you're someone into analog film, there are already other higher quality options out there than VHS.
@jeffking4176
@jeffking4176 5 күн бұрын
A friend recently gifted me a brand new AM/FM Cassette Recorder/player [ Walkman style]. Made by RETEKESS. Decent quality, too. So why not VHS players.
@KirkLee1983
@KirkLee1983 20 күн бұрын
I still use my Vcr and watch my vhs.
@tiki_trash
@tiki_trash 10 күн бұрын
My friend recently had his VCR break down, so he went to Goodwill to buy a used one. He had to go through 3 of them to find one that worked.
@GrnXnham
@GrnXnham 7 күн бұрын
@@tiki_trash Wow! That is amazingly stubborn! People say I'm stubborn for sticking with blu-rays instead of going streaming. But the picture and sound quality difference between VHS and blu-ray is mind blowing on a quality home stereo system but I still like to own my movies.
@tiki_trash
@tiki_trash 7 күн бұрын
@@GrnXnham He has a lot of VHS cassettes, limited income and needs help after a minor stroke recently. He does have a Blu-ray player. He's already paying for cable. It's hard to teach old dogs new tricks and I'm falling into that camp day by day. I have about 400 LPs and at least that many in cassette tapes and CDs. I don't listen to them very often. We all get old some time.
@tiki_trash
@tiki_trash 7 күн бұрын
@@GrnXnham Kids these days, when I was young having a high-fidelity stereo system was a must-have for social gatherings.
@vinsanity40k
@vinsanity40k 23 сағат бұрын
yeah i hope mine doesn't break down. though i hardly use it, what few tapes i have left would be completely worthless. and i apparently have one of the last ones made by funai. 😄
@lukedougan7908
@lukedougan7908 22 күн бұрын
Just about to watch one now!😂 sometimes the original movies on VHS are not censored so I still use my VHS today.
@catholiccontriversy
@catholiccontriversy 18 күн бұрын
VHS is the only way to get the theatrical cut of Phantom Menace; DVD has an extra clip during the pod race scene that wasn't in the theatrical cut, Bluray has Yoda replaced with the CGI used in Attack of the Clones and Revenge of the Sith along with the pod race clip. Because Phantom Menace is one of my favorite movies I have 10 copies I picked up at garage sales and thrift stores.
@yukithesnowman314
@yukithesnowman314 18 күн бұрын
Facts sometimes the VHS version is the best version cuz of no censorship or changes.
@Nny_V
@Nny_V 12 күн бұрын
i have star wars vhs's from like 87, it's the only version of the movies i'll watch.
@timhollis3390
@timhollis3390 7 күн бұрын
Try to find one were c3po is all gold​@yukithesnowman314
@sw6188
@sw6188 25 күн бұрын
I started repairing and servicing VCR in 1984. I continued to service and repair them right through til about 2002. Over the years I have found or been given various machines including some very nice ones - Panasonic S-VHS with TBC, Panasonic multi-system and various others. I kept many models featuring the National/Panasonic D series mechanism, they were very good machines. Top of that line was the NV-870 - Hi-Fi stereo. I still have one of those. I don't know how long I will be able to keep these machines working properly however. Parts are pretty much unobtainable now and Panasonic used a lot of proprietary and custom parts in their machines. Upper cylinder drums ("heads") are very hard to find. I really only keep these machines for nostalgia and for digitizing any VHS cassettes that are given to me. I don't use VHS for general viewing of movies etc as the format isn't great when it comes to resolution. Even in its heyday it was really only good for time-shifting. The interesting thing is that VHS machines are still being sold second-hand here, and people continue to buy them. There is a steady market for used machines.
@janmos5178
@janmos5178 22 күн бұрын
Yes.
@SuperFlashDriver
@SuperFlashDriver 10 күн бұрын
That's why I do wish someday that the VHS cassette itself would just be a way to store the magnetic tape, but at the same time have a machine where it takes the tape out of the VHS Cassette box and keeps it inside the machine and just runs the film like you would with a 35mm projector or 16mm tape/audio recorder...Now that would be more convenient, considering some VHS cassette tapes have one side of the tape stuck on one side and the player can't even reach the magnetic tape anymore, thus rendering the Cassette Tape completely useless....Only time will tell though.
@MiamiMillionaire
@MiamiMillionaire 22 күн бұрын
I still use vhs 📼😁
@Elluvis72
@Elluvis72 25 күн бұрын
VCR was a part of my youth, i watched many movies on this format. At that time you had to rent a machine at the videostore with a couple of tapes. Out of my first salary i bought a tv and a VCR, i was living with my parents and it was a luxury for me to be able to watch movies and record tv in my own room!
@timf-tinkering
@timf-tinkering 25 күн бұрын
VCRs and DVD players co-existed for a long time because you couldn’t record on a DVD player so still needed something that could record from TV. DVD Recorders didn’t really become all that common (at least in my region of the world); it was really the PVR that finally rendered VCRs obsolete. That’s my recollection of events anyway.
@shaneaf310
@shaneaf310 24 күн бұрын
I remember my grandparents buying a what I think was a DVD-VR320 (which, considering that you could pick up DVD players and VCRs for 1/10 of the cost was pretty astonishing for me as a council estate kid) so that my grandma could record the odd show here and there onto DVD and then hardly 2 years later our cable provider were offering PVRs on their higher tier plans. I still remember the headache of setting up the VCR in my room at my grandparents to record the odd show here and there, cable PVRs where such a blessing.
@audvidgeek
@audvidgeek 23 күн бұрын
as an AV tech, DVD / VCR combo decks were VERY popular in the early 2000's. We sold quite a few of them to install in larger multimedia systems, like installations in classrooms or auditoriums. was much more convenient for the end user than dealing with 2 individual components.
@summer20105707
@summer20105707 23 күн бұрын
Pvr machines are a poor replacement as you don't own what you record.
@Insightfill
@Insightfill 23 күн бұрын
​@@summer20105707 They mostly filled the role of time-shifting, something that people used VCRs for, if poorly (timers and channel selection were hard for many people.)
@Stefan-
@Stefan- 21 күн бұрын
Yeah, the recordable dvd´s came years after the dvd player and at first you couldnt even re-record the dvd´s and it was pretty expensive as well.
@krissjacobsen9434
@krissjacobsen9434 27 күн бұрын
I still watch movies on VHS, and have gotten quite a collection of tapes. In fact, I watched a couple of VHS movies last weekend.
@ScottGrammer
@ScottGrammer 21 күн бұрын
Obsolete Video Services has reported that both Sony and Panasonic are planning on introducing new VHS machines to the market in 2025, but I've not been able to find any reference to that anywhere else.
@jamiecruickshank9697
@jamiecruickshank9697 10 күн бұрын
I would doubt either of them would bring out a new VHS machine. I could believe them bring out a vinyl player in 2025, but VHS seems way to complex for them to just bring back into production.
@davidseal8375
@davidseal8375 10 күн бұрын
​@@jamiecruickshank9697just saw a article where Sony will stop producing blank cds....glad I've got a few spindles of cds and dvds....
@CJinMono
@CJinMono 9 күн бұрын
I would be curious to see a new VHS deck with modern connections like HDMI and a built-in upscaler. It could maybe have some sort of DVR function as well (plug in a USB drive and record tapes to MP4).
@ScottGrammer
@ScottGrammer 9 күн бұрын
@@CJinMono The latter would have to have Macrovision detection built-in, making it essentially useless. Th last high-quality VCR's made did actually have HDMI and upscaling hardware built-in. I'd be happy to have one with a really solid transport, good servos, and line-based time base correction, with the aforementioned HDMI output. But I doubt any more VHS machines will actually be made.
@playstion33
@playstion33 9 күн бұрын
There are vhs models made by somy that have hdmi and upscale built in! And it's a comob dvd and vhs player ​@CJinMono
@coolbluelights
@coolbluelights 26 күн бұрын
Several years ago I got a NOS 1985 model JC Penney VCR that I still use today. I still have a lot of home video on VHS tapes.
@qaz3000
@qaz3000 23 күн бұрын
Still have my old vcr and never planning on getting rid of it. Its a piece of history to me.
@BNWilliamGaming
@BNWilliamGaming 8 күн бұрын
One day, I was digging through my parent’s basement when I found a stack of 20 SEALED 8-hour VHS tapes! That was one of my coolest finds EVER!
@CopiousJohn
@CopiousJohn 6 күн бұрын
Just remember, the slower you go in order to make a longer recording, the lower the picture quality. And since you're starting with a VHS, you're already way below DVDs, HD, 4K, Blue-ray, etc.
@tennaj1367
@tennaj1367 13 күн бұрын
Who else misses going to Blockbuster video? 👇
@gregsmith7428
@gregsmith7428 7 күн бұрын
Be kind, please rewind!
@user-bf1rj2cz3v
@user-bf1rj2cz3v 5 күн бұрын
There is only one Blockbuster video in the US, in Bend, OR. That one is privately owned.
@jonniefast
@jonniefast 5 күн бұрын
🥹💖
@theuriah01
@theuriah01 5 күн бұрын
We are too over exposed and prosperous for our own good. I hate digital media.
@jessesan2003
@jessesan2003 5 күн бұрын
I never paid my late fees. 😢😂😂
@guessundheit6494
@guessundheit6494 9 күн бұрын
I miss VHS for the same reason I miss audio cassettes: instant on, no lag or delay from booting up. If I were filthy rich? I'd buy 5-10 "new old stock" machines and as many tapes as possible, and try to buy out old collections of tapes. VHS wasn't just film, it was Hi-Fi Stereo. Back in the 1990s, before sound cards and larger hard drives, I recorded radio stations on VHS. The sound was excellent, and it was possible to put six hours of music on a tape.
@lee120458
@lee120458 4 күн бұрын
@@guessundheit6494 Just as you said about recording radio stations on VHS tapes, I did the same thing except I used an audio cassette recorders to record the TV shows I was watching. This was before I was able to buy a VCR. I may not have seen the show after I recorded it but I did like listening to it especially when they played the show's theme song. By 1984 I finally stopped using audio cassette tape recorders and just stuck with recording VHS tapes on my VCR. I too also missed the VCRs and the VHS tapes. Hopefully the VCRs will make a comeback by 2025.
@guessundheit6494
@guessundheit6494 3 күн бұрын
@@lee120458 You're probably not from Canada, but late night on CBC in the 1990s were Brave New Waves and Nightlines, two all-night shows that played WAY out there stuff (i.e. it made John Zorn and Negativland look mainstream). I would record then listen back and copy what I liked to cassette. My deck had fader dials, to cut out before and after.
@hemaccabe4292
@hemaccabe4292 6 күн бұрын
6 Head Stereo Hi Fi, that was the machine you wanted if you were a collector.
@idj20
@idj20 25 күн бұрын
Still have my Sanyo VCR player purchased as an used item in 1998 and a few "rare" VHS tapes to watch it on. But what makes this player that little bit special is that it has the ability to decode Closed Captions (or Subtitles here at the UK) signals off tape and display them on screen (have to look for the "Q" symbol on the sleeve cover). Gave the player a test run the other week and it all still worked fine with remarkably decent picture quality for what it is.
@lawrencelawrence5920
@lawrencelawrence5920 22 күн бұрын
I still use my VCR, I have 3, one day we had a storm and the internet was out for almost a week. I was able to watch movies and old TV shows I recorded many years ago on the VCR. I have a Memorex, Sony and Sharp brand VCR. The Sharp is a DVD/ VCR combo I bought in 2001. Still works great.
@VPWedding
@VPWedding 24 күн бұрын
Sadly, the last generations of VHS VCRs were not well made, and had picture quality clearly worse than earlier models. This was most noticeable with chroma noise.
@audvidgeek
@audvidgeek 23 күн бұрын
agreed! the mechanical components were also pretty iffy, and broke easily.
@SmallSpoonBrigade
@SmallSpoonBrigade 12 күн бұрын
I have a VCR, but it eats tapes and I can't be bothered to get it fixed. I mostly use it for connecting retro consoles up to TVs.
@WolfmanDude
@WolfmanDude 25 күн бұрын
I love VCRs, I am still soo happy that I managed to get a Panasonic NV-180. Its actually the electronic device that I am most proud of. I found the service manual and did all the repairs/service myself. I love connecting the camera and taking videos outside. Most people in my generation have never seen or used a working VCR, so this is always a super interesting novelty to them!
@chrismifsud7154
@chrismifsud7154 22 күн бұрын
I have two VCR's setup in my games room. One is a Sony from around 2003 and the other a Philips from around the early to mid 1990's. In my storage I also have another Philips mid 1990's and a Samsung VCR/DVD combo.
@MichaelAChang
@MichaelAChang 23 күн бұрын
VHS Hi-Fi can be used as a standalone high quality audio recorder - better than any open-reel or audio cassette recorder.
@RebeccaTurner-ny1xx
@RebeccaTurner-ny1xx 13 күн бұрын
It depends how you define 'better'. Open reel could be used for editing, had various track options and other advantages. The audio quality of a 15ips Revox or Studer is outstanding.
@MichaelAChang
@MichaelAChang 13 күн бұрын
@@RebeccaTurner-ny1xxNo doubt, but any pro level Revox/Studer, Teac/Tascam, or Ampex, MCI is going to be 40+ years old in need of expensive service, then there's the issue of finding new high quality tapes so it's really a no-contest when compared to a $10 Goodwill (or curb side) Hi-Fi VCR - even better are Sony MiniDisc that are cheap. reliable, and plentiful with excellent performance.
@RebeccaTurner-ny1xx
@RebeccaTurner-ny1xx 13 күн бұрын
@@MichaelAChang I agree. Far better, of course, to stick with digital recording to an SSD or hard drive. I was merely comparing two obsolete formats. I suspect that a pro-level open reel, if bought used today, might indeed require an expensive repair or service but would go on to provide far more years of high quality recording than any domestic video recorder. Personally, as someone who ran a small analogue 8-track studio in the 1980s, I was desperate even then to move to digital formats and I've no interest in returning to tape-based recording of any kind.
@MarcelVanHoekElvis
@MarcelVanHoekElvis 25 күн бұрын
I still use vcr's of Vhs, Betamax, V2000 and Video8. It is pure hobby, and i collect old movies. Its a very nice hobby! Greets from Marcel The Netherlands in Europe 👍🙂👍
@adamgardner28
@adamgardner28 19 күн бұрын
I bought a TV/VCR combo at an estate sale in 2021. There was a tape inside when I got it home. Rewinding and watching it to see if it was home movies the family might want back, it was just soap operas. I waited for a commercial and saw an ad for Black Friday for a big box store. The date on the ad was 2013. That set was still being used up to at least that point. I found it in a closet, so I wonder when it was unplugged and imprisoned there...
@user-wo6qn3vf9n
@user-wo6qn3vf9n 25 күн бұрын
I still have 2 working in good order VHS machines, a Panasonic and JVC which I use quite regularly. There's nothing better then loading a cassette into these machines and listening to them load and run. You don't get that pleasure from modern day technology. I also have a Sony Betamax but needs attention.
@audvidgeek
@audvidgeek 23 күн бұрын
for real enjoyment, remove the cover from the VCR, and watch the mechanism while inserting a tape, and pressing play. They are mechanical marvels!
@Ni5ei
@Ni5ei 25 күн бұрын
I have JVC SR-V30 Mini DV & Super VHS combo which I use for digitizing tapes. Great machine from 2002.
@TheSybermedic
@TheSybermedic 22 күн бұрын
I do tech support for a school district, the great majority of our Kindergarten classroom teachers have VHS collections that would rival Blockbuster. They get used on a on going basis.
@iMadrid11
@iMadrid11 4 күн бұрын
You should digitize to backup the VHS tapes into hard drives.
@jonathanlandau-litewski7405
@jonathanlandau-litewski7405 2 күн бұрын
​@@iMadrid11I wish I had all my childhood VHS tapes digitised, I used to record everything and anything the Spice Girls were on! Live in the UK so by the time they were finished I had a LOT of tapes!
@noah-gabel
@noah-gabel 11 күн бұрын
I have two working VCRs, both of which I thrifted. One was a 30 dollar Sharp one, and the other was a 20 dollar General Electric one, both VHS Hi-Fi. I’ve found all you have to do to test them in a thrift store is plug them in and see if you can play, stop, rewind, fast forward, and eject. If you can’t do any of those functions, then it’s safe to say they’re not in working order. Through trial and error I’ve found ones that do still work well. The most common issues with VCRs have to do with the mechanical components, so you usually don’t even need a screen to tell if they’re working. In my opinion, this is a safer bet than buying one used online. Places like Value Village have them in droves
@jessesan2003
@jessesan2003 5 күн бұрын
What do you do if your video cassette gets stuck in the vcr player at the thrift shop?
@shorty5346
@shorty5346 5 күн бұрын
@@jessesan2003 you have to eject it manually by the gears
@shorty5346
@shorty5346 5 күн бұрын
If the vcr does not work thoroughly it's usually the control drive you usually you get lucky sorting ot out with a dust spray can
@noah-gabel
@noah-gabel 4 күн бұрын
@@shorty5346 Compressed air/air dusters can definitely free up loose debris. The real issues come from when the rubber parts have eroded
@noah-gabel
@noah-gabel 4 күн бұрын
@@jessesan2003 I always test the VCRs at thrift stores with their own tapes. If they haven’t gone to the effort of testing them themselves, then at least people will know that tapes will get stuck. You can also try to pull the tape out, at the risk of damaging the internal components.
@Larry
@Larry 24 күн бұрын
Was there ever a VCR made that had HDMI capabilities? Be interesting to see if any units upscaled footage to HD.
@halo3odst
@halo3odst 24 күн бұрын
Probably not. If D-VHS units didnt support it i dont think anything would.
@gamingcrazy7013
@gamingcrazy7013 24 күн бұрын
Some of the later D-Theatre VCRs apparently had HDMI out.
@BradOlsonBemidji
@BradOlsonBemidji 24 күн бұрын
There were VCR/DVD Recorder combo decks that had HDMI output and were popular in the LaserDisc world for the upconverting capabilities since the separate converter boxes were very expensive at the time.
@mexodroid1848
@mexodroid1848 23 күн бұрын
Panasonic and Toshiba had VHS/Blu Ray Combo units with HDMI out. I just use RF Out and my TV seems to pick up the upscaling and widescreen fix automatically so it looks great.
@nicholascortez728
@nicholascortez728 22 күн бұрын
​@@BradOlsonBemidjiyeah but to be honest you'd be better off getting a DVD release of a film (if possible), laserdisc at least has the potential of looking close to DVD through the right scaler.
@charlie_nolan
@charlie_nolan 23 күн бұрын
Got one in my bedroom, a nice DVD recorder combo with component output for VHS and DVD, and a built in digital tuner. I’ve had so many the last few years but have sold all except this one.
@mss490
@mss490 11 күн бұрын
There are so many classics, some like The Minds Eye that are REALLY important and relevant to cinematic history, that never got a release on DVD or Blu-Ray, and while I understand the frustration and lack of parts and sales from manufacturers, it’s very important that the hardware doesn’t go extinct. There were TV pilots that didn’t get off the ground, whole TV show seasons, movies and all sorts of things tied up in rights that the rights holders just never thought would be worthwhile to clean up for a release on more recent formats. To those who keep them, and those who continue to maintain and service them, thank you.
@Trance88
@Trance88 25 күн бұрын
I still have my 1999 Sony VCR, which works flawlessly. I use it on occasion. I just picked up a pile of VHS tapes at a flea market a few weeks back that I need to watch.
@jhonwask
@jhonwask 24 күн бұрын
I recently purchased 4 HiFi VCR's. The have not been hooked up yet, but will be shortly. the reason being I wanted to convert one of them to a music recording device, whicch is far superior to Cassette or 1/4' open reel tape. Plus, i do own many obscure VHS tapes. The entire VCR process is amazing and tapes can actually be played back crudely with a simple electromagnet. If technology regresses in the future, one could actually see or hear a VHS tape with some primitive setup. The case is not the same for a DVD or Bluray, which have too many digital parts to decode. However, a DVD could be used to emboss an acoustic record.
@martinhaub6828
@martinhaub6828 25 күн бұрын
I still have two Sony VCR's - and lots of classic Disney movies on VHS. Some of those tapes never made it to DVD, like Song of the South.
@Lightsngear
@Lightsngear 20 күн бұрын
I have a working Sony VCR as well, plus a VHS/DVD combo. Disney movies only on tape sounds about right. Unfortunately some of those "classics" are (in today's world) considered racist!! - which might be a reason why they remained only on tape.
@kitterbug
@kitterbug 19 күн бұрын
I don't blame Disney for keeping that one in the vault, but like Warner Brothers once said when re-releasing some of their undeniably racist cartoons; "These cartoons are being presented as they were originally created, because to do so otherwise would be the same as claiming these prejudices never existed.". Then again censorship has been a very common practice for Disney, it's almost like that they're the kind of company being made as an example in that quote
@rayphoenix7296
@rayphoenix7296 17 күн бұрын
I still have some VCRs lying around. I just bought one from the 90's earlier this year to replace my grandma's Magnavox VCR from 2006. My grandma is unaware that it is not normal for people to still have VCRs these days.
@howtobebasic2122
@howtobebasic2122 24 күн бұрын
the real reason i believe Funai stopped making VCR's is because the quality of the VCR's got cheaper and cheaper to the point there were being sold for under 19 dollars, most of the later VCR's had a DVD player built into to it, usually the DVD side would die but the VCR would work, from my knowledge starting in March of 2007 Funai Removed the Tuners in them because the government mandated the use of digital tuners, and Funai didn't want to invest in doing that so they removed the tuners all together. I do remember buying the Very last VCR i with the DVD combo I believe that was in 2010, Walmart had an Endcap full of them that there trying to get rid of Their marked down to 30 dollars and I used that VCR for 6 months and then it ate my tape so it hit the trash can really quick.
@audvidgeek
@audvidgeek 23 күн бұрын
yea, there's just no way you can make a reliable tape mechanism for $30! I can't believe VCR's ever got under $100 with the mechanical complexity they are!
@ronspencer3250
@ronspencer3250 8 күн бұрын
Funai actually did make a DVD VCR combo with both analog and digital tuners. I bought one at Walmart under the Magnavox label when my local stations were first starting to broadcast digital signals.
@Mr-Clark
@Mr-Clark 20 күн бұрын
I actually enjoyed driving to the video store and spending about 30 minutes walking around trying to decide what to watch. After narrowing it down to 2 videos, I would watch them both and at time again the next day. Today with Netflix and hundreds and thousands of stuff to watch, I can't decide and often just wind up going to youtube and view content like this.
@smorris281
@smorris281 9 күн бұрын
I'm actually thinking about buying a used VCR for recording TV shows. VHS is the easiest way to record TV, and you have instant access to the media, unlike DVR's with complicated menus and many now only accessible on the cloud. Maybe, its time to return to a simpler time.
@whitelion7976
@whitelion7976 18 күн бұрын
I am in my back room and looking at more than 50 VCRs stacked on a workbench. Yes, we collect and use. Love physical media
@ZacabebOTG
@ZacabebOTG 25 күн бұрын
Funai was one of the biggest ODMs of VHS VCRs and as far as I know the last company standing. In the last few years they were still made, pretty much all VHS VCRs were made by Funai regardless of brand.
@joeaverage3444
@joeaverage3444 24 күн бұрын
I've got a Philips stereo VCR from 1989 as well as a Sony one from around 1997. I don't really use either of them nowadays, but it's good knowing that I'd still have a way of playing all my old VHS tapes.
@audvidgeek
@audvidgeek 23 күн бұрын
I purchased a stereo HiFi VCR in the early 90's when I got my first job. I then bought music and concert video tapes. The audio quality off of those tapes is VERY awesome. it's CD quality if it has the VHS-HiFI logo on it. There was a time I was buying these tapes, instead of CD's or cassettes. If I wanted to play the music in the car, I'd just record the audio portion to an audio cassette tape.
@artheemisia
@artheemisia 9 күн бұрын
My GoldStar VHS player purchased in 1998 and still going strong
@muffs55mercury61
@muffs55mercury61 6 күн бұрын
Had one and they were good, long lasting and the picture was sharp.
@BaconFaceMcGee
@BaconFaceMcGee 16 күн бұрын
We still watch VHS tapes when we don’t have the DVD or we don’t want to search for the content on a streaming service.
@DeltaDemon1
@DeltaDemon1 6 күн бұрын
I still have two VCRs and tons of movies on VHS but I have to admit I rarely watch these tapes.
@TonyP9279
@TonyP9279 25 күн бұрын
I still use VCRs occasionally because I have a library of VHS tapes. Also, I have some camcorder tapes that I never copied to DVD or flash storage.
@Jasper9000-wd5sm
@Jasper9000-wd5sm 7 күн бұрын
I still have dozens of VHS tapes from recording movies from TV, most of them still play with good quality and many are so rare they are hard to find or were never available on DVD. I purchased a new DVD/VHS combo player in 2008. It was brilliant, when I wore it out I purchased another on eBay. Since then I have bought another half a dozen of the same model for amounts from $60 to $100 Of course these gadgets last maybe only 5 years at most with so much use and nowhere to get them fixed but I'm still amazed that I have some of these with VHS working perfectly after 15 years
@edwinbruckner4752
@edwinbruckner4752 21 күн бұрын
lol, before this video started I was thinking 'Japan, you gotta look in Japan' , probably is the best place to score a NOS VCR.
@NateWolfKira
@NateWolfKira 14 күн бұрын
Today, we have the RetroTink 4K scaler that has a profile specific to upscaling the VHS format.
@SuperFlashDriver
@SuperFlashDriver 10 күн бұрын
I'm hoping to get one of those at least this year or next year, considering that the price point is nearly 2x more expensive than the RetroTink 5X-Pro one that was made 4 years prior to RetroTink 4K Analog To Digital Upscaler.
@markschotgerrits283
@markschotgerrits283 25 күн бұрын
I still use my Philips VR20D once a week to keep it in good condition😅 love the tech I grew up with
@Philip---pip267
@Philip---pip267 24 күн бұрын
Yes, you must run them periodically. I have four, two of them work perfectly and two do not. I have about 200 tapes of home recordings which are too much to digitise, as they need to be edited along the way and I do not have the time. In 1976, my very first vcr was a second hand philips n1500, pre dating vhs and v2000. When I got vhs I copied the stuff over and then stored the philips in the loft. 15 years later I fetched it down for a nostalgia trip and it didn't work. Belts and rubbers had all perished. So if you run a tape through them about once a month and store them in normal conditions they should be fine. I hastily threw away the philips, but I wish I still had it now as it is worth serious money in good condition.
@victorjohnson7512
@victorjohnson7512 8 күн бұрын
There were tons of unsold vcr's In storage when people stopped buying them. Some people now use them to record music on.
@Montgomerygolfgator
@Montgomerygolfgator 24 күн бұрын
They still make VCRs for the security market, the only issue is that they are actually 2001 DVD/VCR combo units and have the 1983 VCR price.
@thanthanasiszamp4707
@thanthanasiszamp4707 23 күн бұрын
Really? Can theybd used for reco4ding tv shows?
@Subgunman
@Subgunman 24 күн бұрын
I remember using Panasonic VTR's in high school in the 70’s. Yes VTR, video tape recorder. Basically a room to reel helical scan video recorder. At that time the feed and take up reels were on two different levels allowing each pass of the head to scan an angle of the tape which provided greater storage of data on the tapes. With the advent of video cassettes which relied on a straight feed of the tape across the heads of the recorder they angled the heads at around 30° so as to scan across the tape to obtain the same high data storage on the tape. On both systems they used a timing reference placed on the tape itself by the record head so as to synchronize the tape speed to allow alignment of the video read heads to read each diagonal track written on the tape.
@audvidgeek
@audvidgeek 23 күн бұрын
it was surprising how many of the early VHS VCR's still had tracking adjustments on them, despite the tapes all having the sync signal recorded on them....they just lacked the circuitry to read it!
@JustWasted3HoursHere
@JustWasted3HoursHere 23 күн бұрын
When I was converting old home movies to DVD many years ago for my parents, I needed to buy one. Luckily, my local Goodwill store had one for $7 and it was in new condition and it worked great for the task. One reason VCRs hung on so long is that you could easily record with them as opposed to DVD players. Recordable ones existed of course, but some people didn't care that much about perfect quality or didn't have easy access to recordable DVDs (-R/RW or +R/RW) so they just stuck to VCRs.
@brianzulauf2974
@brianzulauf2974 20 күн бұрын
You can record anything onto VHS using an HDMI to RCA converter Its great for those times when you don't want to boot your PC up
@giuseppelavecchia775
@giuseppelavecchia775 23 күн бұрын
Il VHS dopo breve tempo dalla sua nascita si impose con una ascesa veloce e repentina come standard mondiale,sistema che non morira mai,sistema video oggetto di grande passione e collezionismo ovunque,io per primo!
@ryuhayabusa6776
@ryuhayabusa6776 13 күн бұрын
Proud to say I still used a VCR to record cable in 2019, before I cut the cord. Now, if I want my own copy of something, I make an mp4. Modern stuff is great, but VCRs did have an advantage or two. If an mp4 recording runs long accidentally, I have to go through the lengthy process of trimming. With a VCR, I could just tape over the extra part in seconds or minutes. I still love the new stuff, though.
@darlenegoodwin
@darlenegoodwin 28 күн бұрын
I'm planning to get a VCR from eBay this week. I thought this was dead, but I was wrong.
@MegaBadgeman
@MegaBadgeman 14 күн бұрын
Yeah I've got an VCR player lying around. Got loads of tape, no point in getting rid of them just to get DVD's of the same films and the like.
@stringercorrales6627
@stringercorrales6627 25 күн бұрын
I have a combo vhs/dvd recorder from Walmart from before 2010. It was already unusual back then but rare now. Used it to transfer tapes to DVDs, then from the disks to PC. It had to be repaired a few years ago even after not being used for a long time, and there happens to be a shop down the street that still works on these things.
@whoami7721
@whoami7721 10 күн бұрын
I watch VHS tapes occasionally on a Sony DVD/VCR recorder/player. It's hooked up to my Amazon Fire TV using an HDMI cable. The quality is noticeably inferior to DVD or Blu-ray, but it's fun to revisit TV shows that I've recorded. I also watch the original Star Wars movies on VHS, along with some other ones I don't have on DVD or are unavailable on streaming.
@fivenightscollection
@fivenightscollection 16 күн бұрын
I bought my VCR at the end of last year as well as my dvd player and two CRTs. I like to watch fullscreen standard definition. I use a coaxial splitter to send my VCRs signal to both CRTs as well as my modern flat screen so I can watch any vhs on all screens at once but I think they look best on the CRT.
@kippkippington
@kippkippington 20 күн бұрын
I wonder if VCRs and VHS will have a Polaroid-esque resurgence later on down the road.
@antonysnook4932
@antonysnook4932 24 күн бұрын
People still use VCR's for security severance. And modern systems have data on digital hard drives. DVD's are more up to date and you can run them on PC's
@GE1463
@GE1463 24 күн бұрын
DVD's get scratched easily, arent as fun, more boring
@antonysnook4932
@antonysnook4932 24 күн бұрын
@@GE1463 The DVD has a menu so you can search chapters. There is often a behind the scenes footage to allow you how stunts and filming is done with audio and lighting ect. There is also a directors commentary of how they came up with movie. VHS can warp up tape and it is hard to search for a specific part with Fast Forward. I had a pink goop solution that fixed scratches. I used it once a year and it was messy but it fixed scratches. Now i have all music CD's on MP3 format, though i prefer to listen to the radio. I have thrown out all the old DVD's as they are hard to sell and you get little money for them due to deterioration. I have one movie but no player. I can get a portable DVD player to plug into PC for that movie or i can throw it away.
@zoomerbased0484
@zoomerbased0484 18 күн бұрын
VHS tapes are still produced by one seller on Alibaba, however you need to purchase a huge bulk quantity.
@CoWinkKeyDinkInc
@CoWinkKeyDinkInc 13 күн бұрын
literally who
@hifijohn
@hifijohn 8 күн бұрын
Use my VCR all the time, I record all the tv shows I want to watch then fast forward through the commercials.
@mchenrynick
@mchenrynick 8 күн бұрын
I believe my mom does this, too. This would be the most common use of VCRs today. Fun fact: "Time shifting", as it's called, was the original sales pitch to sell VCRs, and not to buy prerecorded movies on tapes =)
@originalsusser
@originalsusser 5 күн бұрын
I bought a Samsung 52cm CTR TV with built-in VHS second hand in 1998, it was about 12 months old att. Its quality was phenomenal. It made no sound after inserting the tape. The picture quality was, for the time, incredible & it convinced me Korean made products were equivalent to the best Japan or anyone att could make. To this day, when I see a Korean product, I remember this incredible unit & consider it a worthy thing to own
@stevebragg4256
@stevebragg4256 17 күн бұрын
Still need to convert several family home videos to digital. Hopefully alway will have a vcr for the conversion.
@virgojoe72
@virgojoe72 21 күн бұрын
My local propane dealer still rent's VHS movie's mostly to old timers that want to watch older movies and westerns that either that aren't on DVD or because of fixed income can't afford a streaming service. The kids movies are still are still popular because the grandparents can play the kids movie's when internet is out or in low signal area's, I live in rural Missouri and cellular dead zones are a real thing here plus Tapes are still alot tougher than DVD's and the grandbabies can just grab a tape, pop it in and it starts playing without having to through prompt's or commands.
@KickzNBeatz
@KickzNBeatz 25 күн бұрын
This is awesome, especially for nostalgic purposes.
@GalaxyCat001
@GalaxyCat001 22 күн бұрын
I still use a vcr
@ka-pop2243
@ka-pop2243 5 күн бұрын
Springfield, MO is home to National Audio Company which, last I checked, was the only company in the USA still manufacturing *audio* cassettes. Out of curiosity, I called them and asked if they still make VHS tapes. They said no - but they do have a backlog of new/old stock. I bought a used VHS/DVD combo from someone on CL about 10-ish years ago. It's been months since I used it, and that was to dub some old VHS content onto DVD using a video-to-computer capture device I got on Temu. Oddly enough, my son and DIL bought my grandson a TV/VHR combo at a yard sale and he became so enamored with it that he wore it out watching his yard sale collection of tapes.
@mohdmustapha9550
@mohdmustapha9550 12 күн бұрын
I still have my favourite 80s 90s cartoon shows rare tv commercial advertisement vintage toys
@livinlifetothefullest2750
@livinlifetothefullest2750 24 күн бұрын
I think the important question is anybody making spare parts nowadays. The basic pinch rollers are getting scarce nowadays, then you've got the upper video heads then the necessary back tension belts. At the moment nothings happening except for buying a spare model just to keep your own going and there's only so far 3D printing can go and if you're skilled enough to fabricate basic metal parts.
@audvidgeek
@audvidgeek 23 күн бұрын
agreed! Those are very hard parts to find. Studio Sound Electronics is still keeping an inventory of belts and rollers, but head drums are getting scarce. My shop used to have piles of them back in the day! The hardest one for me is tension bands and clutches, to hold drag on the supply reel to hold the proper tension on the tape, and so the take-up reel can "slip" while being turned.
@thanthanasiszamp4707
@thanthanasiszamp4707 23 күн бұрын
Speaking for video heads, what equipment is used to construct them? If we learn about the equipment, we can try to make our own heads. Just a thought.
@BreannaMae
@BreannaMae 6 күн бұрын
I still own a VCR and it works beautifully! It belonged to my grandmother and was given to me when she went into a nursing home. I have my entire movie collection dating back to the 1980s, too. 🙂
@UranusMcVitieFish-yd7oq
@UranusMcVitieFish-yd7oq 8 күн бұрын
I sell use my VCR and collect VHS tapes (though probably no more than 4 or 5 a year) There are countless thousands of films and documentaries that never transitioned to later formats and never will, plus hundreds of titles that I've never got around to upgrading. Hence I like to have a VCR.
@taxman3749
@taxman3749 9 күн бұрын
I regret getting rid of the family vcr. It was a real high-end Sony model with so many really amazing features, for the time.
@raulnavejar474
@raulnavejar474 19 сағат бұрын
I just got through watching Hellraiser 3 on a Funai vcr/dvd. I still buy vhs tapes and vcr's.
@tapehead-jeff
@tapehead-jeff 24 күн бұрын
My granddad used VCR's until he passed away in 2013. He used to record sport to tapes to watch back later when he got time for it. The funny thing is he had 3 recorders but also 3 HD TV's so he had 6 remote's laying on the table with labels on them. Only a few year before he passed he started using a DVD recorder but still used his tapes more frequent. Imaging 3 HD TV's next to each other, each having it's own VCR recorder, loads of tapes on the shelf which had been reused about a hundredth time or so.
@Rick_King
@Rick_King 2 күн бұрын
I have about 500 movies on VHS, but I'm slowly replacing them. My problem is that I have many VHS tapes with such things as my wedding, and vacations. I have a combo VHS/DVD player, but the DVD portion conked out. So I bought a DVD player, and now the VHS is no longer hooked up.
@Rivenworld
@Rivenworld 25 күн бұрын
I still have my old one, now connected to my PC for digitizing, works great.
@catholiccontriversy
@catholiccontriversy 18 күн бұрын
I'm the last person in my circle with a VCR, and I have 6 of them because I digitize people's tapes for them (I found a tape of my 6th birthday, I need someone who can digitize it for me). I also like to buy 6 hour unlabeld tapes and other unusual looking releases to see if there's any lost media on them. I haven't found any yet that I know of but I still hold hope (I did find TBS's 5th anniversary of being on the air, might be some lost bumbpers on that).
@alzeNL
@alzeNL 24 күн бұрын
I got a VCR/Encoding bundle from ebay, i was really pleased I could still get one as my wedding video is on VHS !:D
@ocstrangeness
@ocstrangeness 22 күн бұрын
..was "later that night, after the wedding" also caught on video and seemingly lost forever?
@DynV
@DynV 10 күн бұрын
I bought a full collection of VHS Star Trek movies in the box, 5 to 7, in ~2018 for < 5$; it was worth so much new.
@michaelpilgrim8131
@michaelpilgrim8131 14 күн бұрын
I still haven't gotten to watch my Night Court tapes and I don't think I ever will.
@delscoville
@delscoville 25 күн бұрын
I still have two working VCR's and a rack of VHS tapes. I don't collect tapes since moving to DVD. Both my VCR's are Sanyo, one made in 2000 the other in 2003. They look different on the outside, but they are virtually identical on the inside.
@V3ntilator
@V3ntilator 20 күн бұрын
I still have my 1300$ JVC S-VHS player which were the best VHS player 3 years in a row. You could record indexes on VHS even on playback, record 3 different audio tracks etc. Features missing on the competitor Panasonic at the time which cost the same.
@derek-64
@derek-64 17 күн бұрын
Last vcr i had started eating tapes. Not gonna take that chance again with the few i have left.
@user-uh4gd4od9y
@user-uh4gd4od9y 23 күн бұрын
a simple word, nostalgia
@bryontology1754
@bryontology1754 20 күн бұрын
I still have VHS tapes. All my Betamax tapes have disappeared.
@VideoManDan
@VideoManDan 5 күн бұрын
When I got my first apartment in 2007 my dad bought me a Panasonic VCR. I have no idea if it even still works, but I keep it all set up for nostalgia sake. All of my VHS tapes are in a box, and probably still functional because I don't have them near anything that produces a magnetic field.
@waytostoned
@waytostoned 23 күн бұрын
I have a few of these last gen 4 head VHS players, under Slyvania / Emerson suibbrand. Still a Funai.
@michaelholmes1919
@michaelholmes1919 5 күн бұрын
I remember back in the mid 90's when I figured out how to use the tuner built-in my VCR and the TV to unscramble certain channels. I never used the VCR to play videotapes after that.
@yamil.343
@yamil.343 10 күн бұрын
Rushing to Blockbuster Friday afternoon after work to get the new releases, getting popcorn & then going home to watch the movies in the VCR.. Sighhh….those were the days.
@gwgux
@gwgux 17 күн бұрын
Yes, I still have one. Haven't used it in years though. Don't know if it even still works after all these years. I kind of miss it, but then I remember how a VCR going bad can destroy tapes, how rewinding tapes took time and caused extra mechanical wear on the inner mechanisms, and how hard it was to set the clock on many of them and then I don't miss it as much. It was great for its time and I have fond memories of the movies I watched on the old CRT TVs, and of renting movies, and of recording shows, etc. when I was a kid in the 80s and a teen in the 90s, but it was the content that lived on for me, not the format it's stored in. I'm glad for people who have digitized movies and TV shows that never got an official release on DVD or newer so it never gets lost to time. 🙂
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