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Most enjoyable interview with Lamont, and kudos to him for going after a somewhat less studied language, Swedish. Every language is worth studying and brings with it its own rewards. The choice as to how many languages to explore, or how deeply to explore any one, is entirely up to each learner, obviously. We learn languages for ourselves. There are a number of polyglots who have achieved a high level, B2 and above, in a number of languages, and that goal is certainly realistic for many people. I do believe, however, that there is a maximum number of languages where that is possible. That may vary from person to person but is somewhere between 6-10 in my opinion.

I really liked Steve's opinion about enjoying the language and that he doesn't care which level he has. Just to feel comfortable in and with the languages and read, listen and talk in his languages.

Great questions! I really enjoyed listening to this. Got to say though: I think it's funny how Steve talks about me as though all I care about it pitch accent. In reality, I'm passionate about mastering all aspects of Japanese; pitch accent is just one of the aspects that I pay attention to while most people ignore.

Matt is a perfectionist and seeks to devolpe a tremendously high ability. Its interesting to watch him because I get to see what happens when you download a totally different system onto your brain. Perhaps knowing 1 language very deep is the same as having 1 true friend than a bunch of people who like you. However having a bunch of people who like you is not wrong either. I really love and respect steve as well because he just does what he loves. He wants to use the language for his enjoyment and the level he is does not concern him. I like both and have learned a lot from them. Each one however is a master at different things.

Guys working on the subtitles as we speak, bear with me! Tack!

Steve is such an inspiration, he is just chill about this stuff, he can express his opinion without sounding elitist, can't wait to see what's new in linq

I don't get why the level you reach is such a big debate. Both are different objectives and both are valid. I think what Steve does is wonderful and impressive and what Matt has done is incredible. What matters is that they do what makes them happy.

It is so interesting to hear two non-native speakers speaking my language, especially at such a high level. Well done!

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I'm a Scotsman and i'm in hysterics. good to know we have an accent in every language hahaha!

It must’ve been really cool making this one. Very interesting. Nice little treat at the end getting to hear both you guys doing some Swedish. Awesome.

Great interview, I like how you skipped the usual questions and went straight to speaking about language learning from a deeper perspective.

I het discouraged sometimes, but then I listen to Swedish conversations like this, and it is neat to know I wouldn't have understood this a few months ago. Keep up the good work!

I’m also impressed by the quick switch to Swedish and the normal flow.

Great - I have been looking forward to watching this interview.

When I was a teenager I only wanted to watch E! Entertainment television For some reason I really enjoyed it, I never expected something out of it, I only read the subtitles one day my mom called me dinner, I turned back and I realized I could understand it without subtitles That’s how I learned English, nowadays I found out that most tv shows are dubbed in my country which I think it’s kind of sad.

I love Kaufmann's message of *enjoying* the language. A lot of people, definitely including myself, can get so caught up in catching and ironing out mistakes, large and miniscule, that we forget to actually enjoy the actual interaction with the language. This was a good reminder for me. Although this can be harder as a beginner because there are so many obstacles. But it's a good thing to remember. I'm currently reading La Horla by Maupassant for French, so i'll keep this in mind. Thanks for the interview!

Awesome Swedish from both of you, and great conversation! It was enjoyable to listen to! :) I think the idea you mentioned of "learning to enjoy things that we otherwise might not enjoy" is an interesting idea that I have been thinking about recently. Enjoyment is not static, it depends on various factors. There are ways of making things more enjoyable. There are universal factors of enjoyment (for example the "flow" state that activities can be designed to be more or less conducive for) and then there are individual factors (our interests, personalities, beliefs, convictions etc.). Flashcards are one of those things can vary enormously in how enjoyable they can be. Partly because the formatting is extremely modifiable. There will be a difference in enjoyment depending on how cognitively demanding each card is. If it is too cognitively demanding it will be less enjoyable. But due to the fact that flashcards are modifiable we can select whatever level of cognitive effort we spend per card. Things that reduce unecessary cognitive demand are for example adding context (full sentence, picture etc.), focusing on comprehension rather than production, if the focus is on production it is just producing i.e. just one piece of information, sequencing the cards so that they are "i + 1" (i=prior knowledge; 1 = one step beyond) etc. etc. Like with LingQ we can also select what content we use for flashcards (which can make it more enjoyable). Though there is a bit of a learning curve to using flashcard software in an effective and enjoyable way (e.g. Anki). Finally I would also add that there is a two-way street between effectiveness and enjoyment. If we enjoy the activity, we will do it more, and is therefore to some extent effective. On the other hand, if the activity is percieved to be highly effective (so we percieve that we are making rapid progress) it can make the activity more enjoyable as well. So enjoyment is complex (involving universal and individual factors) and should not be viewed as a static thing that we cannot influence.

Lamont, your interviewing style is brilliant. You ask some brilliant questions and have done all of the research to ask some of the tougher questions without being afraid of skirting around the topic. I especially loved the question about how frequently should one review their method, it's so important!

Getting to B2 is a great advice 😊. You will make some mistakes but you can communicate almost anything in that language and you do not feel limited by your level. That is actually my goal too, just never thought about it on those terms! Some years ago I wanted to be proficient in all languages I learn, but I realised it is frustrating and that I prefer being able to communicate well in several languages (currently 5, hopefully 7 at then end of the year) than to be extremelly good at one or two. But this is very personal, so depending on your personality or goals, you will prefer the one or the other 🧐

This is one of the most interesting interviews that I've seen with Steve. Good work on bringing new questions to the table!

what an incredible crossover between these two legends! thanks for this video man!

I've been following you channel for a while and honestly I love it, the way that you approach learning a new language is so honest, is something that's really hard to find I'm not a English native speaker, I'm from Brazil, sometimes is difficult for me to understand your accent, but it helps me to improve even more my English Anyway, I hope you'll continue to make videos cause they're great

Riktigt härligt att lyssna på! Om du vill prata svenska med någon och veta lite mer om halländska, hör av dig! :)

What a genuinely nice man

Wow! Two of my favourite learners together

Often I listen to this sort of content in the background while doing other things, but your interviews always capture my attention. It's very obvious that you put a lot of thought into coming up with interesting questions, trying to produce something unique for your viewers. Kudos for that.

Great interview with Steve Kaufmann. I really admire him. And I wanted to point out the tolerance to ambiguity you were talking about. I think this is a milestone in the language learning process. Once you pass this stage, your fluency just goes much better and you don't care as much as you did about meaningless things. That happened to me in Portuguese, additionally as a Spanish speaker I was forcing myself to learn Portuguese rapidly and to make it come on in leaps and bounds in a very short period of time, without really enjoying the process, although I'm a language learning passionate. I was so frustrated when I went to Portugal and I didn't understand some word or failed to communicate in Portuguese. The day I just put this aside, I began being able to enjoy much more the language and I think since then I've reached a much advanced level more naturally (picking activities to do in the target language that I really enjoy).

"A tolerance for ambiguity" 8:35 is my take-home message for the day. BTW, Steve seems to be very relaxed today!

Amazing talk! Thank you for sharing this with us!

Both of you are big inspirations! Awesome chat!

Watched every minute! What a great conversation.

This is the first time I've seen you speaking swedish for an extended period of time and it is hashtag #goals (men på dansk). Thanks for the inspiration and all the great content

Steve really is a great person. Great answers to some great questions.

Damn, I didn't expect Steve's Swedish to be that good. I am geniunely impressed.

I'm danish and I understood both of you better than the average dock worker I spoke with in Göteborg(I usually always had to ask them to switch to english). My swedish-comprehension is pretty bad in general but understanding you two was surprisingly easy.

Great interview between two level-headed language enthusiasts. I love how you can disagree and challenge each other's approach with tact and interest in the thought-process behind them. Kul också att höra er prata svenska, det tyder på en bra förståelse för språket då ni kan prata oavbrutet enbart inom svenskan utan att växla till engelska.

I'm learning french so when they started speaking swedish I got confused when I couldn't understand them but then realised they were speaking swedish and not french

Steve's approach of "I just want to enjoy the language" appeals to me so much because it's exactly what my goal is.

This video was extremely helpful

Jag gillar verkligen Stevens röst när han pratar svenska. Den låter så genuin.

Something that wasn't mentioned in terms of working on languages at a high level was active production. I use translation as a handy and fun vehicle for language practice, either verbally or via written texts. For verbal practice, I'll take an English-language video that I find particularly interesting and go through it with my German teacher on italki, summarizing the contents in German (we might listen to snippets together here and there before I launch into my translation/explanation of the content, which we can also have side discussions on if we want to). Or I will take the "news flashes" from the beginning of the Guardian and will summarize and translate verbally the mini-news articles into German, which really gets you into different vocabulary than what you might use if you were just chatting about day-to-day things. Or I'll verbally summarize a film plot or book (perhaps using an online English summary to jog my memory on the plot as I go). I personally love writing, and I use it as a wonderful form of language practice at a high level. I will take a particularly interesting article in English and I'll summarize and translate it into one of my languages in writing and then will have it corrected in an iTalki lesson. Writing is the toughest of the four basic skills to really master and it's a wonderful vehicle for practicing all aspects of your knowledge of the language...as well as giving you the opportunity to really deeply think about a particular subject you'd like to concentrate on.

Please do more swedish speaking videos, it helps a lot, and inspires me to keep on with my speaking skills

I want to get my portuguese to c1, currently at b2. it's because i'm living in brazil and my wife is brazilian, most of her family doesn't speak english. I can communicate well at b2, i just would rather be c1 so i could talk as fast as they do! however, i do have an interest in adding other languages, namely french, italian, spanish, german, and irish. maybe even dutch. i'd be perfectly fine with those being around b1/b2, but for portuguese i won't be happy until i'm a high c1

Your swedish is really good, Lamont! I'm not a swede myself, but since I've started to learn a language, I noticed how hard it is to speak another language, even though you may understand and read it without any problem. I can defnitely tell you spend a huge amount of time in the language! Keep working hard and you'll get where you want to be!

I just couldn't resist seeing Steve's "What on Earth???" expression written all over his face.

LingQ is great; I've been very happy with it. An efficient way to learn especially if you enjoy reading.

I'm inclined to agree with the approach of learning from what you enjoy. I've spent five years so far with Japanese. When I began I strictly took an academic approach, which of course is necessary to learn the basics. But more or less as soon as I had a decent foundation, I stopped studying in any academic fashion, and started indulging exclusively in native material, and interacting with native speakers, purely for my own enjoyment. Now I can comfortably carry a natural conversation, even for hours at a time. And my relationship to language is much more personal and removed from an academic context. That's largely I believe because my motivation is purely to explore the things I enjoy, and can easily tie language learning to things I already enjoyed doing before. So it never feels like a chore, but there's constant learning, and constant improvement.

Refreshingly interesting questions. As a Norwegian I definitely had a harder time understanding your swedish :) I guess that's a good sign. Stå på og lykke til!

I’ll do this in English. When I started to learn English I realised I picked up a new English accent every time I spoke to a new native English speaker from somewhere in the world. It got overwhelming so I decided to stick to the RP - ish accent in the U.K. No one speaks RP really but you get the point. Having an “anchor accent” made English learning easier and I chose the PR because the U.K. is the native English speaking country I’ve spent most time in. Decades later, it’s a natural default thing in my brain. If you want 1 Swedish accent consistently if it makes learning easier, maybe consider picking one accent that you’re very comfortable with and stick to it for a while. Or let the accent sort it self out. It will. The Swedish pitch accents are more important in communication and you seem to have a good understanding of them. Your Swedish just needs practice which is a challenge for all learners of less widely spoken languages and you’re getting there. You’re perfectly able to hold a conversation in Swedish. Well done. I enjoy the aspect of discussing language learning methods.

super interesting to me is how dry he seemed almost the whole convo until right when you switched to Swedish and then he lit right up! He really does love languages, haha.

Nice video man. You know it's funnt because I was learning French and Swedish and I actually put Swedish to the side. But yea really interesting video.

I love learning languages. I enjoy the process.

31:38 I have this for English too, But It seems common for those like me who were born overseas. I can always tell if any of my family are talking to other family overseas due to their accent change. Enjoyed the Interview :)

Great video I lost patience with my Spanish and this has improved my motivation. Steve and you are my two favourite languages related KZfaqrs. Others are a bit unrealistic

Lamont, your history with Swedish and French could easily be mine with Finnish and French. In June 2020, after listening to a music in Finnish I thought "gosh this language is the most beautiful I've ever heard! It sounds like Quenya and Sindarin from Lord of Rings! I'm gonna learn it! And then, I started my search for the best resource (there aren't many good materials in Finnish, although of course you're in Finland) and decided to learn it to C2 level, the nearest I can be from a native speaker. I faced some troubles, I was condemning myself for not focusing on my French (which I had restarted to study in May, after 6 years of not touching it) and on another "more useful" language. I was severely critisaced by people near me, since they did not understand my reasons (according to my father "Finnish is a language of crazy people"). Because of that criticism, I commited the error of studying a bunch of languages at the same time, like Russian, German, Italian, Spanish, Latin and Esperanto, because I didn't want to hear people saying that I was focusing on a "inutile" language or that I only had to study English and be good in English as this is "what matters". But, after watching some of your videos recently, I've decided to face the situation, put aside the other languages, slow down French and proudly admit "I am studying Finnish! I want to be in a really high level of Finnish! It is my dream to say in the future, when somebody asks me what languages do I speak and I answer Minä puhun suomea! (I speak Finnish!). Again, thank you Lamont! It would be an honour if we could talk in the future and share our experiences on our language learning journeys. I am sure we've got a lot of points to discuss.

I've been learning Swedish for 1 year and i can say i have similar problems like you had.. but i had it under control.. like.. we all want to learn the most proper swedish accent as possible and i think it is possible to get. So i did this unique method of my own i called it "gränskontroll".. it means that i'm limiting my contact or exposure from any other swedish dialects/accents which are not "Rikssvenskan" or atleast "Stockholmska".. so i did it and it worked well.. i'm quite fluent with Rikssvenskan and then i felt quite confident and i tried to open the border and go find other swedish dialects through their medias/radio/podcasts/series etc. And now i think i can do 3 swedish dialects : Stockholmska,Skånska,Norrländska..

In learning German, my main goal is to be comfortable with it. If one day I move to a German speaking country, maybe I would want to perfect it. But I think the issue with spending a ton of time with just one language is that you lose the opportunity to broaden the people you can speak with. I will always have another language to learn, another culture to dive into. A travel experience I wouldn't be able to have in English. So B2 seems good enough!

I have a frustrating experience. Not knowing where to begin or hitting a plateau can feel demoralizing and make it hard to hit the books and study like you know you should…Having friends from other cultures makes me more creative. In fresh ways about space and how people create their own world and environment. It is best way to connect between creative thinking and cross-cultural relationships!

This was a really good interview. What I see ignored in the language learning community is that there are different learning styles. If you’re not a reader, Steve’s way will not work for you. For me, I’m a reader and Steve’s way gives me a lot of hope. I’m learning Spanish the traditional way. I’m going to add his way to my studies to try to take my Spanish from Intermediate 1 to high intermediate, i.e. actually being able to speak. I’ve watched a few of your videos and I think you might be where I am with your Swedish - frustrated that I’m working so hard and wondering how it’s possible I STILL can’t speak Spanish. Why not add a half hour or so of Steve’s listening and reading and see if it helps? I think I’m going to experiment learning my second language Steve’s way which is rooted in TPR. There’s a professor from Orange Coast College who has a great video about using this method if you’re interested although his was more having language partners explain things to him in the target language. He studied Arabic this way for 9 months and was able to communicate when he went to Egypt 9 months later. Here’s the link if you’re interested. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/n9KcdNOYxrLLd3U.html

lingq took me a little time to get used too... but i actually enjoy reading on it... its easier for me to save words then when i have the book on kindle and trying translate all the time. its a lot easier in my phone wherever i am... i don't write anything down and it saves a lot of time... no platform is perfect and has its quirks but it will be interesting to see the updates

I have no idea who the other guy is however the things you guys talked about were wonderful and I can see the comments just raving about this guy so good job man!

I like the idea of trying to reduce your accent. It can be part of the way you enjoy the language. I want to reduce my accent and try to speak American English with good accuracy. And It's also a way of respecting the language. For the other languages I'm trying to learn, I don't care about it now, but I will make sure my accent is not too bad when I get to a good level.

Jag är fascinerad över dina svenska kunskaper och du har inspirerat mig att börja lära mig mer persiska!

I think we can all learn a lot from Steve. He's relaxed, he doesn't overthink. He seemed a bit bemused by some of the questions but always had an interesting and useful reply. Chill out my young friend - you're very intelligent.

A native English speaker from Canada, I speak French, Spanish and German to a high level (C1/C2). For me using these languages whether for work, volunteer work or for pleasurable personal exploration, is simply a joy. I love learning and I continue to work on my languages on an on-going basis - why not? I could learn more languages, and I do have a smattering of a few others as I tend to work on the language of a country for a few months before traveling to a place, but I would need a really good motivation to tackle any additional languages seriously and I hesitate because I want to have the time to spend with my current languages. Being at a good level in each of my main languages and being able to use them at the drop of a hat is something I love and value. I also have a very good accent in all three - quite frankly, hearing and reproducing sounds in a foreign language is something that I do have a little bit of talent at and it's also something I enjoy. So, in short, I have a lot of thoughts, feelings and opinions that are different from Steve Kaufman's...and that's what makes the world go round: "Different strokes for different folks!"

When I was an A-level in French, I'd say I knew 2.5 languages - English, German, and some Spanish. When I reached a B-level in French, I'd still say I knew 2.5 languages, only then it was English, German, and French, because I stopped using Spanish. It wasn't until I reached a C-level in French that I started saying I knew 3 languages. But now that I'm learning Hungarian, I might have to reevaluate that, because I don't see myself going that far with it, but even reaching an A2 take such a monumental investment that it definitely feels worth mentioning.

I have bought cd/ textbook packages in Italian and Portuguese both of which I'm currently learning. It was a mistake on both accounts. I prefer listening to youtube teachers. I take many notes, I write bucketloads of short useful phrases. I believe that listening is very important. Trying to choose the correct word/ or verb conjugation to fit into a space makes my brain go blank ! I have a few teachers only on youtube that I stick with. They are people that appeal to me via subjects that I like or have an interest in and also the sound of their voice is important to me personally.

As a swede I'm really impressed by both your and Steve's Swedish your vocabulary is great!

I agree with days of French way more. He's attempting or is as fluent as a native. So yeah if that's the goal I feel Days of French is a better teacher. You don't like it? Find a way to enjoy it. I really got a lot out of this video.

It all depends what your purpose for learning a particular language is. Once upon a time I had certain academic goals in French, then I had a job as a translator/interpretor for awhile, and now I’m just a linguistic butterfly! If I were looking for perfection in Swedish, I would devote my KZfaq channel to all things Swedish, and I would start doing most if not all my videos in Swedish. I’m not learning Swedish right now, but I’m going to re-watch you and Steve right now, starting @27:30 because that is the most interesting part to me-two guys having a conversation in their not L1. :-)

Could you make a video about why so many people (myself included) find verbs to be the hardest vocabulary to memorize? Like, I revise names and adjectives and even adverbs a couple of times and I'm mostly done, I remember 90% of them. But with verbs, for some reason, it takes at least the double of time. Great content, by the way! ❤️

Interesting that you said " I am as interested in learning how to study a language as I am in studying my target language" Except for having heard English & Ukrainian before school along with French till the end of school (in a French town - which helped a shit ton to the point where I consider French my 2nd and Ukrainian my 3rd language). Now being over 60 I consider my self new to language learning in that I have begun (2 months ago) my Spanish learning along with sharpening/refeshing my rarely used French. Thats a long way of saying that is exactly where I am at in that I am spending more time trying to get my learning process figured out than the time I am spending on my French or Spanish. Certainly that is the case at this moment - good chance it will be reversed in a few months when I have my system figured out (if that ever happens-:)

You both have cool Swedish accents.

I love how sometimes you sound 100% swedish, it's awesome

Learning what you like also applies to a language that I chose. I studied Japanese in high school as it was a mandatory subject. And probably 6 months ago, I decided to continue learning Japanese for the sole reason that I’d learned it before, so at least I knew the basics. I didn’t even really like the language or its culture so I gave up. Then I just arbitrarily chose French because I like how it sounds and I also like the history. I was contemplating to learn Spanish as it’s more widely spoken, so it would be more useful, and it’s easier in terms of pronunciation, but I just don’t like how it sounds for some reason. Even though I now have a love-hate relationship with French, but I’ve made a significant progress in just 4 months. I don’t think I would have had the same kind of progress if I’d chosen another language that I didn’t like.

You cannot cherrypick what you like and dislike. For me, I'm French and my ears dislike the whole phonologic system of English. If I ignore it totally, I will rarely receive the food I order. OK

I remember when you announced you were dropping French and showed the video you felt embarrassed about your swedish. But your swedish is clearly solid in this video. Anyway, I agree with your goal to focus on one language until you feel you have reached a point you don't struggle at all in your favorite second language before moving back to French.

Well I don't know about you people, but in my case (native Spanish speaker) Duolingo was great to remember vocabulary in German for some reason. I wouldn't think on relying on it to improve my grammar though but for the vocabulary it was great. I might use it for Swedish too.

Steve’s such a beast It’s great to see you got a hold of him. Good questions btw... also why did you pick Swedish? If you already explained this in a video feel free to direct to it

It is personal. Of course there is value to learning a language really well and being able to use the nuances. Why there wouldn't be value in this I can't imagine.

Anyone who does not like LingQ because of the user interface has not given it much of a chance. I think LingQ is one of the most powerful language learning platforms available. The import feature where you can select what topic you would like to learn from makes it that.

Great swedish. You sound very swedish (not norwegian). :) And you talk in a way swedish ppl do. :) The flow of the language is importante if your goal is to sound like a native and not "just" want to get undersood I think. :)

I also didn’t enjoy LingQ when I tried it because I found it too complex and unorganized, in the sense that it was not easy to get a hold of the user interface and the functionality of everything, and that made it harder and more annoying to want to use the app and to use it in a successful way in order to actually learn my target language. I think there are too many unnecessary components to the app, and if it were reduced to a simpler, easier-to-understand format, then it would be twice as effective, and twice as enjoyable. Great interview Lamont! Keep it up

Bra frågor, och jag håller med Kaufmann när det handlar om många av dem :) ...och jag visste inte att han kunde så bra svenska. Han är skitbra!

Sí 😊 pero está bien, es la única forma y con amor 💜

Wow, now your in the Big league haha, looking forward to watching it!

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I'm a big fan of Steve Kaufmann so I'm always glad when he does an interview on a language channel I watch. I wish he explained some of the changes that they're doing for the new LingQ. I am a subscriber and I think it's the best option for reading Korean as a beginner. I honestly was surprised to hear that he used the flash card option in LingQ at all. I just couldn't picture him doing that. Listening to your Swedish I almost feel like I could start understanding from my German background. I know the languages aren't mutually intelligible (obviously) but maybe they're closer than I thought.

Flash cards are so good if the words on them are in context and have the sentence. I genuinely will underline every word I don’t know in my target language and make a flash card out of it. Suddenly I make less and less flash cards bc I actually learned the words I didn’t know. Rather than saying oh well that’ll come back up.

To add to the point at 22:04, this is very true. Audiobooks by themselves are not as useful to a learner who wants to be exposed to casual, candid language. However, Mr. Kaufmann and I have very similar interests (yes, I follow him as well) in that we like reading literature. This is where I consider Mandarin to be at an advantage. As far as literature, there are so many different types of media that one can consume, and that is the language I can speak on accurately since I have been learning it for 7 years. A few years ago, I noticed, like you, the shortcomings of getting appropriate spoken input from audiobooks, so, the nerd that I am, I started looking into whether China had any storytelling traditions that are still passed down today, and to my surprise, that is exactly where I needed to go! The Chinese language has a storytelling tradition called 评书 or 评话 which renders classical literature into everyday speech 白话. The storyteller memorizes the main story of the entire text and reworks it through throwing in colloquial expressions and spontaneous commentary, all at normal spoken speed and in simple language. Now, whenever I study Mandarin through literature, I always cross reference between the audiobook, the original written text, an English translation if I need, and the 评书 rendering. Makes for such a complete experience!

Very interesting and different questions that Steve usually doesn't get asked in all his previous hundreds of interviews lol, props for that! As for Linq I agree that the user interface could be more intuitive, still one of the best learning tools I think though, atleast if fits my style of learning.

My Cousin moved to Australia from Wales when she was 18 (34 years ago). After a few years she had a hybrid Welsh/Australian accent wish to this day is the strangest accent I’ve ever heard. Now the Welsh part has almost gone.

I'm surprised that I understood your conversation in Swedish. 😮

Its funny to lish to you both speaking Swedish. I didn't even need subtitles😂 ps: im norwegian

'Cold showers' etc. - I was dragged up as a Catholic, so can relate to this.

I can understand people choosing not to do flash cards, but I'll never understand why people say that doing flash cards and practicing grammar isn't useful. They might not work for everyone, but I've seen a lot of people belittling others for doing them. I learn 10 new words every day, and when I want to say "let's go to the harbor", I can say it, because I've learned how to say "harbor". It doesn't get simpler than that :p

As someone learning Greek, I 100% agree with Steve. Duolingo doesn’t help with Greek other than, like, vocab and prepositions

Both of you have great Swedish.