Thanks for the advice. Have since removed them for better comparison and they will be going back on ASAP. I can’t speak in general of course but this car handles much better with them on, other than more of a tendency to tramline and slightly more torque steer. The extra steering feel, stability, positive turn and better ride are well worth the trade offs for me.

Grass

Money well spent changing them

The 147 is a odd car, some tyres that are amazing in other cars wont be very good in the 147 chassi, best tyres for it are the Pirelli PZero Rosso Assimetrico and the Bridgestone Potenza S04 Pole Position, i tried even Michelin Sport and the 147 dont like it.

And its got a thicker anti roll bar , which will stiffen the ride

Those tyres need to go

been my bug bear for years..I see guys fitting coil overs, sway bars, strut braces and brakes with budget tyres..drives me mental...how can you understand how you car handles and rides on cheap rubber???

Goodyear F1 Asymmetric. 147s and GTs are extremely rubber-sensitive. The F1s are the best tyre I found for them, miles better than the Pirellis it had when I bought mine.

Simon a better softer tyre say a michelin ps4 will help, but it will not get rid of the harshness of those bloody Eibach pro coilovers, I had them on my GT, it was awful on a B road.

But then there would be no journey of discovery and a set of videos 😉

what if you are twice the width of the wheel

@@OrdinaryJoe12 LOL. Well maybe better to not crawl under it then. Mine's a bit of a story about how the car fell (not totally my fault) but the disc brake came within about an inch of cutting my toes off or at least crushing them if I had not put the wheel under the car.

How do you know?

@@neilg3364 Ok, you asked for it. Rhetorically? It was dark and stormy night. Literally. And when I say stormy I mean like biblical rain. It was so hard that I had to blink a lot because the rain drops hitting my eyes stung. Four of us were riding in the car of my friend's father. He was driving and saying how he didn't like to drive in the rain or the dark. I believe I even offered to drive. We came up to a detour where all three westbound lanes were shoved into the eastbound lane that was closest, only he didn't detour until it was too late. He hit the concrete curb of the median and launched the car. It hit so hard it flattened the front tire and bent the rim. He pulled over. We all got out. And as we stood getting drenched at the back of the car, all looking at the spare, I finally sprung into action since no one else was going to take action. I told the group very specifically and very emphatically to apply the hand brake. Maybe it was my fault by not singling out someone because, it didn't get done. When I removed the tire, I wasn't sure what to do with it and for the first time ever, I, for unknown reasons, decided to put it under the car. Maybe there is such a thing as a guardian angel. As I was working on the car, they were all talking at the back. Why they didn't get back in the car still puzzles me. Maybe they felt guilty that I was getting wet? Somehow during their conversation, someone leaned on the car, it came off the jack and onto the wheel I put underneath. This startled me as my foot was under the car at that instant and as I said earlier, the disc brake was about 1 inch (2.54 cm) above my toes. I don't know if say 800 lbs applied to a disk brake is enough to remove toes, but I'm certain it wouldn't have been pretty. I was very angry that no one was really doing anything useful, like applying the handbrake as I had asked. Anyway when we got to our destination, I was soaked from head to toe, even my underwear and my wallet were completely wet. But I had all my toes and the wheel always goes under the car now.

@@ProfessorOzone thanks for sharing. I hate working under cars, I'm paranoid. Had four axle stands just up front the other day when doing ball joints.

Manufacturers leave room for snow chains.

Exactly

It depends on the offset, the offset can also affect torque steer...

And in this case, using the original wheels with spacers the offset is of...

@Antonio Farina Antonio, it will depend of how many miles you made in 5 years and the road conditions. I live in Brasil and my experience here where the distances are very large and the road conditions are not so good the bearings have a too short life when the wheels are positioned out of the original place. In São Paulo city is not uncommon to made 200 km in one day...

Spacers are for teenagers

@Lassi Kinnunen yes of course I fully understand the transition the Busso has taken over the years I worked for Alfa Romeo for 12 years and owned several , my point being that through continual development it has stood the test of time

60s design.

@@HappyDaysNI ah no it was designed early 70s then was put in the Alfa 6 in 1979

There’s much sort of archaic tech even in the ‘newest’ Bussos. What I like is there’s no variable valve timing on it. In a BMW you can notice the impact of Vanos and on a Honda of course the ‘VTEC kicks in yo’, but no such thing with the Busso - which adds to the pureness IMO.

@@kasimirdenhertog3516 Alfa was the first to use variable valve timing.

"the track was engineered that way for a reason" There is sometimes a little bit of variation in wheel offset that is still within tolerance. For example, old Subaru Imprezas were +55 offset on the factory wheels but aftermarket Speedline or Rays wheels made specifically for the Impreza WRX would tend to run a +49 offset. It's not uncommon for manufacturer special editions with widebody kits to accomplish the wider track **purely** through wheel offset, rather than through different hubs/control arms/steering: the Subaru 22B is an example of this. The wider track is done only via wheel offset, and the scrub radius on the steering and stresses on the wheel bearings is still within tolerance. :)

@@TassieLorenzo Point taken, however, if simple spacers made that much difference to the overall handling of a car, then why not engineer the car that way in the first place. Wheel offset, is not wheel spacers. Would the load be distributed differently from engineered wheels compared to add on spacers ?

Thanks buddy... am loving the Busso!!!

if you had OCD you wouldnt throw a bucket of water over it..You'd take a tooth brush to the tyre tread like i do.

@@simonlloyd7557 that’s not how ocd works my guy different forms and different triggers

Yes. Great road to drive. Burford to Charlbury.

Thought I recognised that downhill right-hander!!

I was going to guess an overlap with the roads that Jayemm uses, but I don't know much about the geography of the UK.

I was thinking the same

I have them on mine too snd it’s fine

I had a heavily modded RPM Technik 996 and on that it definitely made a difference in the tip over when entering a corner.

Wow, you’ll love it!! By the way much better with spacers. It ok them off again and will Now put them back on. But I would maybe stick to 10mm

Totally agree.. and yes you’re right about the comments! 20mm spacer is perfectly safe.

Ah thanks Simod!!!

Wow, really interesting to hear that..

Yes it does, affect roll angle. But that’s not a bad thing. Compliance = grip.

Wider track lowers the roll centre so it does affect body roll.

@@davidw7155 not by any significant margin. We are litteralt talking 2-3mm dead max of lowering that roll center.

Took them off again and it highlighted how much better the GTA is with them on. Everything is better except torque steer. They’re coming back on!!

Thanks for the advice! I have already softened the rear roll bar a tad..

Very kind thanks!!

Seems they are called “Wheel stud alignment pin” or “tool”. Who knew :-)

Literally did that yesterday.. minus 1 psi made a huge difference!!

It’s not a blown bulb.. something in the headlight. Got new bulbs and still wasn’t working.. it’s on my list.. but spacers was a more fun job!!

@@Number27 driving me nuts too..

Yes, I don’t agree 20mm spacers will mangle bearings. They will shorten the life a little. Thanks for watching Gregory!

250hp standard, this car probably 270-280hp..

@@Number27 the previous owner probably added some small upgrades like changing the exhaust or something

And wear the tyres out quick!

The “ more stress on wheel bearings” saying is total bullshit. Then why do people put wider aftermarket wheels and tires. He would get the same wear and tear if he had fitted wheels that stuck out 20mm more than factory. But yet wider wheels or wheels with less offset is ok. 😂😂

Thank you buddy, interesting to hear your experience!

@@Number27 It's not the bolts that hold the wheel against the hub... which sounds strange at first. When the bolts are tightened to the correct torque, in the right order, it's the friction between the wheel and the hub that keeps everything together. That's why you should never put any lubricant of any kind between wheel/hub/spacer... but many do, glad to see you didn't. You have fallen in love with the GTA... doomed. :)

@@stevewilliams5428 correct. Much misunderstood 👍

It has a Q2 Diff... but yes on the unsprung weight.. you’re right.

So sorry ,I do apologise, I didn't realise it was already fitted. Enjoy anyway, watched it again for the V6 soundtrack!!