ron santisima trinidad 15. Try this rum. Very good one. Please do a. Review as well

Just imagine if scotch makers started putting sugar in their bottles... Ugh, oh God the horror!

Try OVD sometime, nice and dark

@@insanejughead It's called scotch liqueurs ever heard of Drambuie....

@@liamrogers2152 Ah, nice. I've had it, but never considered looking into how it's made. I was more thinking of if scotch makers started putting sugar in it, but kept it labelled as "scotch". Now I want some Drambuie, dang it...

This does not makes a lot of sense…. Very often the “dark” color is coming from caramel coloring, that is completely flavorless…. Meaning you might find very dark rums that are very young and rums that are aged quite a lot that are just brownish (because they do not have any added colorings). The color is not a good way to categorize rum.

Thanks for watching! Plenty more of those videos here!

Thank YOU for watching! 🤗

Glad you enjoyed it Adrian!

That’s the thing, you do have to compare. There just needs to be more clarity. If a Rum has 30g-40g of added Sugar, tell us. If it’s a Spiced Rum and not a “Premium Rum” like Bumbu claims to be, people need to know. It doesn’t matter if you like Spiced or Sweetened Rums, you just need to know what you’re buying!

Cheers for watching Neil!! 👍👍

Thanks 👍 Think it's here to stay! It's grown on me... Pun may or may not be intended!

Cheers Steven! Just thought it'd help people!

@@StevetheBarmanUK I’m sure it will. Helped me at least. Didn’t realise some spiced rums were quite as heavy on the sugar as they apparently are!

Start the US trend mate!

Cheers Ben! Hope all is well in Beefa? Hopefully warmer and drier than it is here (Sitting here in 5 layers including 2 hoodies and a Jumper! 😂)

Ha. Thanks for the kind words 🤗

Glad you enjoyed it mate!

He says Thank you!

Cheers for watching 👍

Glad it was helpful Nick! happy NY.

hahah.... for info, Malibu is roughly 180g of Sugar per litre!

Haha. I would live 21 and 30yo bottles!!!

Cheers Sam!

Well, it's not "new". Don't forget the UK was very first with Spiced Rum... Capt Morgs Spiced waaaaaaay back in the day. We've always had tonnes of Spiced. Waaaaay more than you Canadians. 😉😂 ( I know that cos of the Canadians in my Discord....still pee's me off that you pay half the price though, so you lot win that battle!). Like even 5+ years ago, we had 40-50 readily available. However, NOW... we're closed to 500+ Spiced Rums in the UK. Like proper Brands. Not people at home. So that's what I mean by "New Trend". Purely something that's in a massive growth phase! But, we're also getting LOADS of Spirit Drinks and Flavoureds now. Thats why the line is getting blurry. Bit of a minefield!

Wait a year and Brits will be claiming they invented and gave Spiced Rum to the world.

Thanks for watching Nick!

Haha, yeah. I mean, Capt Morgs... we ALL grew up on it. it's a great entry to "Rum" but it is really waaaay down as the first rung of the ladder!

Cool. That’s what it’s all about. Going on a little journey and discovering new stuff you like 👍

Give zaya, dictator 20 yr a try better than the rest

Matusalem is my favorite

Ron Matsuleam, Ron Zacappa, El Pasador de Oro all have great varieties. There are so many more to discover. When it comes to spiced, try to discover the different brands that use artificial versus natural flavours.

one of the best bang for buck brands around in my opinion is Flor de Cana, between them and Plantation it's hard to go wrong and your definitely wont break the bank

Thanks!! I’ll admit my palate is changing massively every week…becoming less Sweet. BUT I still love my Spiced and Flavoured. They’re fun, you can’t deny that.

Thanks, It grows by 2-5 every week!

Cheers my friend!

No, think I mentioned it in the Video early on. For it to be even considered Rum, it has to be 37.5% in the UK/EU and 40% abv in the US. There is no such thing as an Under Proof Rum. It either becomes a "Spirit Drink" or a Liqueur. To relate this into the Whisky World. Haig has just released an Orange Variant. Well this CAN'T be called Whisky. So it's simple a "Whisky based Spirit Drink".

Glad to help. Just note, i didn't say any of that for Health reasons... but that is ultimately a reason to be mindful, of course. I said it purely to help people distinguish between the sweetness of PROPER RUM versus SPICED & FLAVOURED RUM.

@@StevetheBarmanUK yes I got it. Am on keto diet that's why I said that.. i shouldnt even be drinking but on my cheat days I will choose wisely:)

Yeah, I’ve done a few videos on this. Actually as dull as it sounds, if you’re going to Jamaica, Myers for a D&S. or Worthy 109. Dark/Black Rums suit me better with Ginger. BUT. Neat…Appletons 8,12,25. Worthy Single Barrel, ANY Hampdens. Just try it all. 😂

Thanks for watching Christina 🫶

Good question! I hadn't noticed. In fact, I think i would've heard about that nugget if it had. Are you sure?!!? I mean honestly, it is a "Rum Based Spirit Drink" not a Rum. But with clever wording, they can have Rum somewhere on the Labels.

They changed sailor jerry a few years ago and it sucks ass now

Cheers for watching Ben. Happy NY

Thanks for watching John. Glad I helped.

I like Sailor Jerry's 92 proof spiced rum. Rather alarmed that according to your comments. is not truly rum, but won't stop my buying it.

@@jeromebreeding3302 I have a bottle of the Sailor Jerry Spiced 80 proof that's been sitting around for years unopened. It just seems to get pushed aside as other Rum and Spirits make their way.

@@johndavis7944 Never have seen Sailor Jerry 80 proof, always 92 proof. It's a winner in my book.

@@jeromebreeding3302 Maybe it's just for the Australian 🇦🇺 market. Specialist whiskey sellers have all sorts of proofs not usually seem on the regular grog seller's lists.

Glad I helped Brent. Stick with us. And tune in one Sunday night for a Live Stream. They’re great fun 🤗

Glad you enjoyed it! That was my sole intention! Look it's awesome if you love Spiced. I too LOVE spiced Rum. But i know the differences and can pick if a Rum is going to be sweet or not.

Ha, soz, yeah I didn't make that Clear. Now this is just my viewpoint... but one shared by many...MANY...people as well. While some Rum Distilleries claim "they're doing okay" of course, the vast majority actually sell Rum for other people to Buy up and blend. For example, take Worthy Park who only just recently have released their own label Rums. For the bulk of their life span, other Rum/Spiced Rum brands will have been buying up their aged stuff. So for the vast majority of these Rum Distilleries to keep making a decent money and grow, they obviously need more and more Rum Brands to buy up their Rum. Step forward Spiced Rum. Because with the exception of maybe 10-12 UK Brands...all the other 400+ Spiced Rum brands (which will grow HUGELY over the next 1-2 years) will be buying Rum from Distilleries all over the Caribbean and beyond. So the simple fact is, proper Rum distilleries need all these other Brands to buy their stuff to survive. Granted, Foursquare, Appleton and the like don't. But they are the lucky few. Take DDL... Demerara Distillers Ltd. Essentially El Dorado Rum. I read somewhere that only 10% of their Business is actually from El Dorado. The other 90% of their Rum is bought up by other Rum Brands. And I can name 7 BIG Spiced/Flavoured Rum brands in the UK alone that use DDL Rum as the base of their Spiced Rum. Thats without looking a the likes of Plantation Rum who will have single handily kept some Rum Distillers afloat over the last few years. Okay...that is another Rum Brand. Not Spiced. BUT. Rum Geeks hate on Plantation. But the fact is, Plantation puts a shed load of money back into the Rum economy and help smaller Rum Distillers make a living! This is what people don't see. they don't see all the "Contract Distilling" I guess you'd call it that goes on behind the scenes. Just putting Barbados & Jamaica together, you have 9 Rum Distilleries I think it is. But the vast majority of people will maybe have only heard of 4-5. Maybe less. Yet, all us Spiced Rum fans will have tasted most of the Rum from all 9 Distilleries in some shape of form! Hope that helps.

@@StevetheBarmanUK That helps hugely and your logic makes a lot of sense to me. Spiced Rum is clearly the flavour of the day just now, so if Spiced Rum is what it takes to ensure that "proper rum" survives at sensible prices, then it gets my vote.

Don Papa is something in Rum World that we all consider as Spiced/Flavoured. However, it's not really marketed liek that, so Newbs to Rum probably consider it Rum. And no...not had Remedy.

Yeah, see i can't find the UK figures... but ours is 40% and i wouldn't mind betting you a lot sweeter for the UK market...or at least a lot more Sugar.

Wait what??! Who delivers my Pressies on Christmas Day??

The Reserva?? Yeah it’s technically NOT Rum cos of the Sugar levels, but for all intensive purposes, yeah, treat it as Rum…just a sweet one.

I'll take that as a compliment...even though I have no idea what OU means! 😂

@@StevetheBarmanUK Open University 😋

Thanks for sharing! Intriguing Rum! If it ever makes its way to the UK, give me a shout!

And here you learned it is neither truly dark (being colored, not aged) nor rum!

Come into the Discord, people will chat all day about that!! stblive.uk/discord 👍

Thanks for watching 👍

Yeah love it. Which one is your Favourite??

@@StevetheBarmanUK used to buy the 10 year old dark for $2 a quart down in Honduras. So smooth.

Captain Morgan black is the only one I'll buy from them. It's like 47%, uses black strap molasses, and isn't expensive. Really good stuff.

@@dylynblue9864 Nah... Get Captain Morgan 100. 100 proof captain Morgan, it's amazing.

How much is it though? You can get a 1.75 of captain black for under $30 where I am. If I'm spending over $30 a bottle I'm for sure getting good scotch or bourbon, not rum.

@@dylynblue9864 where i am, it's about 29 US Dollars for a handle (1.75L)

@@dylynblue9864 Not long ago, I bought a 1.75-liter bottle of Flor de Cana, a very decent rum, for about $20. It’s not the best rum I’ve ever tasted, but it’s much better than Captain Morgan or Kraken. So if you want cheap rum whose inferior quality is disguised by sugar and flavorings, which is what I take “spiced rum” to be, you can buy it for even less (Flor de Cana is far from the cheapest brand out there), and doctor it with spices yourself. But if you want good rum with spices, start with a good bottle of rum.

Hahaha. Well at least try proper Rum, you’ll love it!!!

Did you mean Tullamore dew?

Yeah good shout. It’s deffo how I started with Agricole at least.

So...while they go under the Radar, yeah, as Europe and the UK are one of the biggest Markets for Rum, they tend to set the laws... producers work towards these, as its pointless them creating 2 different Rums. However, while they are "laws" there is no one to enforce them really. Hence why the Old El Dorado 12 and the likes of Diplomatico etc have 40g of Sugar. However, many many Brands are working towards less Sugar. For example, take El Dorado 12 yo... if you have a bottle with the Black round label on the neck of the bottle, that is new El Dorado, no official figures out there, some say unsweetened, some say 8-10g of sugar. The old Red Labels from pre 2018, where near 40g. Now certain countries are working really hard to get this sorted. For example, Jamaican Rum has ZERO Sugar added. However, if it is a Jamaican Rum, but then blended in the UK or in Holland (Massive blenders for Rum), then there's a chance some sugar may be added. Barbados are also working hard on this. 3 of the big 4 distilleries are Zero Sugar. However WIRD who produce a lot of Rum for other brands...and Plantation part owns them... they are not playing ball, cos Plantation adds dosage/sugar. Basically, i didn't make the video to be all preachy. that wasn't the point. I merely wanted to showcase that Proper Rums have little to no sugar... where as the majority of Spiced Rums will have A LOT of Sugar. Nothing wrong with it...only when people compare them. Comparing Spiced to Rum is like comparing Maple Syrup to Honey! Its hard for other countries to understand this...mainly cos in the UK, it's Spiced Rum thats exploding like no other country. We're well over 500 Spiced Rums now. But i know in Canada, you have a dozen if you're lucky. So the SPiced rum lovers think that Kraken and DMF are no different to Plantation or El Dorado...where in fact they are MILES apart!

What a Rum that is!! the OFTD. Although confession... MGBB... i've never had i don't think. Perhaps my perception of Eclipse has stopped me from trying it!

Yup... I love it all. Just trying to help newbies who don't really know the difference and expect real rum to be like Spiced Rum... which happens waaaaaay too often!

@@StevetheBarmanUK I didn’t realise the maximum for rum is 20g. Great informative video.

It depends. Blackstrap Rums are just from Blackstrap Molasses. I can't name too many Brands. BUT... I can guarantee, Some WILL have Sugar added, and some WON'T. but without researching no idea which brands!

Yeah. Half the reason I made the video. Cheers for watching 👍

Haha, yeah, I'd love a Bar like that locally. I mean its nice to have them at home. But it'd be great to get stuck in Sat at a Bar making new friends!

Ha. And after looking it up it’s got about 25grams per litre. So clearly on the sweet side

Ha. Yeah. And it’s obvs not a 23yo Rum either. No where close cos it’s Solera!! There’s a Law Suit currently going on against them and Diageo. So you could see it rebranded soon (maybe and properly as a 6 month old Rum Based Spirit Drink). And hopefully a huge price drop cos it ain’t worth even close to what it sells for. But that’s Marketing. 😉 Politics aside though. Just liquid. Look it’s okay. Very much in the Don Papa category. Heavily sweetened. I enjoy a cheeky one every now and again. And actually I would say it was an entry point to real Rum. But just be prepared for less sweet stuff if you go down that route. I’d have a lot more respect for it, if it was £20-£25 a bottle and was honest about what it was. Cos it isn’t Rum. But if it went in the Spiced/Flavoured category…it’s a Banger. (And just for Ref…Don Papa is pretty much the same, but the likes of Waitrose and M&S DO sell it as Spiced/Flavoured. Like Bumbu. They know it’s not Rum). 👍👍

@@StevetheBarmanUK thanks for the reply. Yeah. Bit disappointed to find out more about it the more I have been digging into it. But then if it means a price drop then perhaps the disappointment is worth it 🤷‍♂️😉

@@StevetheBarmanUK what would you recommend as a taster for entry level rum that is on the sweeter side? Granted won’t be at same level of sweetness as the Zacapa but kind of close ? 🤷‍♂️

Ha, yeah.. i get ya, but actually, probably 75% of all Rum and Spiced etc is consumed Neat. well at least 50%... But don't forget, when making Cocktails, you won't need to add as much Sugar to Spiced Rum cocktails...as you will normal Rum.

Wow, there's a blast from the past. Not seen that in YEARS. Indian I think it was. Just looked on Master of Malt, 4 listed...3 out of stock. the only one in stock is the legend. But no telling how old that is. Wholesalers have to by by the case, so 6 bottles could last them 2-3 years at least, if it's not popular.

@@StevetheBarmanUK Indian, indeed, and an absolute corker too. Now I feel lucky I can get my hands on a couple of bottles

Hey Nathan, right I'll try and answer these concisely for you in turn... How old is Spiced Rum? No set answer. I won't mention any names. BUT. Some bigger brands will literally be a few days old. Purely mass-produced unaged rum, flavoured and colour...cos obviously without ageing, it'll be white. I'm sure you can imagine which brands I'm talking about. However, SOME Spiced Rums from top Brands...Chairmans for example...Chairmans reserve is their normal Rum, (which is a blend of rums including 5yo Rum) BUT then to get the spices and flavours, the Spiced Rum is aged for another 6 months with REAL spices. NO artificial stuff. Grams of Sugar per litre... This refers to sugar added AFTER distillation. Obviously, when you distill something, there is no sugar in that distillate, you are just condensating Vapour in basic terms. When it comes to Rum Laws... Yeah, you're kind of on the right lines. But i think the one thing you miss is that EU Law (which is actually VERY similar to US law - except Rum is US must be 40% / 80 Proof) refers to ALL RUM. Not Rum made in the EU. It doesn't matter where the Rum is Made. So bearing in mind, the UK is one of...if not THE BIGGEST... Rum Market in the World...All Rum made in the Caribbean/Africa/US/Australia etc will conform to EU Law. The majority of it though will be 40%, not 37.5% as they will want to conform to US Law too. It's only super massive brands like Capt Morgs and Kraken that have the finance to make different Rums for different markets. US Capt Morgs is 40%, UK is 37.5%. US Kraken is 47%, UK is 40%. NOW, the issues come where as you rightly state, each Island in the Caribbean is trying to have their own GI. Barbados is leading the way with this. They want ALL Barbados Rum for example to contain ZERO Sugar added. Which is absolutely fine. Brilliant. It doesn't affect EU/US laws, it's just a GI. NOW the issue they have is Brands like Plantation Rum come in, buy Barbados Rum, then add Sugar to it. This is where the Hate of Plantation comes from. (Personally I love what they do) but what Barbados are working towards is no added sugar... but for example; WIRD supplies a lot of Rum to Plantation, who simply won't stop selling "Barbados Rum". So there's lots of negotiations to be added. BUT this is purely GI...NOT LAW. So don't confuse the 2 things. GI is completely different. it's purely providence relating to a certain place. Barbados wants to get to a point where EVERY Bottle of Barbados Rum you ever see around the world, you'll know is Zero Sugar added. But it will take a VERY LONG time to get to that point! Now the point about Agricole Rhum; Agricole is a VERY different beast. Again with its own GI. Agricole (Rhum...French Style) is distilled from Sugar Cane Juice. Not Molasses like a lot of Spanish (Ron...eg Cuba) & English (Rum...eg Jamaica, Barbados, Guyana). So French style which is loved by many, will be reminiscent of Brazilian Cachaca. VERY Grassy. To many of us though, while we don't really like Agricole Rhum Neat... it's an unbelievable addition to some Rum Cocktails. So don't right it off. A touch of Agricole in a Mai Tai is next level. Future Rums... I note from your Comment, you're actually probably more in a Spiced Camp, not "Proper Rum". That also rings true with some of your other comments, and what this whole video is about. If you love that Vanilla, Cinnamon, Clove notes, then obviously you're not going to like Agricole...or many Proper Rums. As I said, Bumbu is far from being a Proper Rum. It's a heavily sweetened "Spiced Rum". So my only advice would be to stick to Spiced Rums. I know Canada is way behind us in the UK, so I can't offer recommendations other than Chairmans which I know you can get. BUT, if you do want to try proper REAL Rums with that "Dark Brown Sugar" notes, then you will need to stick to Molasses based Rums....so predominately English Style. I personally would start you off with Guyana and El Dorado, as they are Demerara based Rums. th 12yo is lovely. But be warned...VERY different to Spiced Rums. Nowhere near as sweet. But Guyana would be the most accessible for your palate. From there, maybe move up to Trinidad, Central America. see how you go with them. THEN maybe attack Barbados & Jamaica because they are very Different. Jamaican Funk for example is a whole other beast. Hope that helps!

@@StevetheBarmanUK Hi Steve! Thank you very much for your very helpful and thorough answer! I appreciate your recommendations for me, too, as well as your answering my question regarding added sugar. Also, now I understand the whole "spiced rum is not rum" thing. I still have one question: when I asked how old spiced rum is, what I meant was when in history did rum-makers start to add spice to their rums? I feel like it should be a very old tradition, but am wondering if it is a sort of newfangled thing. In any case, I quite like it. :-) Having said that, I appreciated learning about the age of rums in your explanation. :-) Finally, a quick question: what does "GI" mean?

@@nathanb.5792 It seems to me, since you also prefer the sweeter liquors, that you should probably try out bourbon whiskey and some of the sweeter scotch whiskeys. They are not spiced, a lot of them have sweet flavours of caramel, vanilla, cinnamon and banana embedded into them naturally, while also having the strong general taste of whiskey. I used to only drink spiced rums like Kraken and Bacardi Spiced, but after knowing they're not rums at all and the fact that I didn't like the *actual* taste of rum, I moved on to sweet whiskeys like Four Roses or Three Lions. So for you, I would recommend Four Roses. I've also read that Evan Williams and Tullamore Dew have naturally sweet cinnamon and vanilla notes in them.