Do You Pronounce it GIF or GIF?

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GIF, JIF, ZHAIF?
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So. Whether you like it or not, when you say the word G-I-F, especially on the internet, people are gonna talk about it. Some will correct you, some will correct the people correcting you, it’s the same conversation every time. Over and over and over. Which is why Mike proposed a third pronunciation way back when: Zhaif, or in the IPA: ʒaɪf. Because if you can’t beat them, leave town and set up camp in the wilderness. But really though, what is it about this one word that has people up in arms about the “right” way to pronounce it? There are plenty of other words that have differing pronunciations across cultures, borders and languages. So why is GIF the word people go to war for? Let us know what you think in the comments below!
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@homeXstone 8 жыл бұрын

the easiest solution to this problem is obviously to just say "Graphics Interchange Format" each and every time

@JamesR624 8 жыл бұрын

True. People say "text file", "T X T file" or "text document". They don't say "tickst". People say "Portable Network Graphics" or "P N G". They don't say "ping". People say "bitmap". They don't say "bump". People say "HTML". They don't say "Hitimal". The GIF argument is really ridiculous because nobody does this shit with almost any other filetype.

@oowaz 8 жыл бұрын

we should just have a pool, i'm sure GUIF would win everytime.

@Sombraala 8 жыл бұрын

Ok, to be clear, I actually do a lot of the things you describe here, but I pronounce these the wrong way on purpose to be funny or otherwise slightly annoy people. I'm starting to wonder if that makes me a bad person, or just playful. Maybe both?

@oowaz 8 жыл бұрын

people don't say those because it's either unnecessary or sounds bad. most people call image files pictures or photos, text files documents, but what else would you call a gif? that's why the controversy, it just happens to be the only format popular enough to cause that kind of confusion.

@kered13 8 жыл бұрын

I say "ping". I don't know why anyone wouldn't, it's a lot shorter than "P-N-G" and the only really obvious pronunciation.

@casersatz 8 жыл бұрын

My partner pronounces it "Gee Aye Eff". It is the single biggest issue of our relationship.

@casersatz 8 жыл бұрын

***** It's bastardizing is what it is!

@homeXstone 8 жыл бұрын

then tell me how you pronounce - lets say - the FBI? it's an abbreviation and I see no problem with spelling it.

@PeterBarnes2 8 жыл бұрын

What do you mean? I always say /fbɪ/, the proper pronunciation of FBI.

@elliottmcollins 8 жыл бұрын

Just because initialisms exist doesn't mean all acronyms are also initialisms.

@homeXstone 8 жыл бұрын

Chuck Norris like any good pirate would

@2nd3rd1st 8 жыл бұрын

You have convinced me, from now on I will pronounce "gif" "fish".

@muhammadsalafiahlulhadith 2 жыл бұрын

*DO YOU PRONOUNCE UNICEF AS "UNICHEF" BCUZ THE C STANDS FOR CHILDREN ?* 🙄😴👎🏻

@muhammadsalafiahlulhadith 2 жыл бұрын

*DO YOU PRONOUNCE KO AS "Nayo" BCUZ THE K STANDS FOR KNOCK ?*

@muhammadsalafiahlulhadith 2 жыл бұрын

*U cringy ignoramus! DO YOU PRONOUNCE JPEG AS JFEG BCUZ THE P STANDS FOR PHOTOGRAPHIC? ACRONYMS HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH WHAT THE LETTERS IN THEM STAND FOR! U DONT PRONOUNCE PC AS PEE KEE BCUZ THE C STANDS FOR COMPUTER* 🙄😴👎🏻

@NerdSyncProductions 8 жыл бұрын

I originally called it jif, but then my friends told me it was pronounced gif. I spent weeks training myself to say it "right," but then years later, those same friends told me it was pronounced jif. I felt betrayed.

@JesterNR1 6 жыл бұрын

Its okay.... Gif is right. The creator, you originally, and anyone else who says it Jif is just wrong... and that's okay... but you're all still terrible people... j/k... or am I? >:)

@blackaccount1368 4 жыл бұрын

@@JesterNR1 the creator of the thing calls it jif

@ggdk2865 4 жыл бұрын

Your friends suck, haha

@ggdk2865 4 жыл бұрын

@@blackaccount1368 He mentioned that.

@douglasjackson295 3 жыл бұрын

There’s a very simple solution to this, pronounce it Zhife. Ever since this video came out that’s what I’ve been doing.

@Marconius6 8 жыл бұрын

"If you told me it were some other file format, I would be shocked!" So, there's this thing called webm now...

@pbsideachannel 8 жыл бұрын

*GASP*

@Cryofdragon 8 жыл бұрын

The whole of my response to any .gif pronunciation debate of is currently to simply tell people that .webm is the superior format, and refer to gifs as "poorly formatted webms." I like to counter one form of pedantry with another (possibly slightly more relevant) one.

@brianshrode72 8 жыл бұрын

How are you supposed to pronounce webm? "Webbum?"

@JeoshuaCollins 8 жыл бұрын

I would argue that the webm format isn't as ripe for controversy in the realm of pronunciation as something with an ambiguous hard/soft G question in it. I mean, webm is quite clearly pronounced "web 'em". The only possible argument is on whether or not you inject an /e/ or a /ə/ or pronounce the 'm' syllabically or not. Either way, it doesn't translate as an internet argument, because em is em, and m is em, no matter how it ends up sounding.

@roryokane5907 8 жыл бұрын

+Juustomarsu i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/909/991/48c.jpg

@dliessmgg 8 жыл бұрын

I pronounce it gaif, in memory of Guy Fieri.

@pbsideachannel 8 жыл бұрын

i lol'd

@batmanofficial6843 8 жыл бұрын

The anticrist of Homestuck

@Felix_EN 8 жыл бұрын

but... "lol'd" doesn't make sense since it's an abbreviation for.... heh ;)

@rowtow13 8 жыл бұрын

RIP Guy Fieri

@PhilosophyTube 8 жыл бұрын

GIF is the Dark Souls of achronyms

@badasunicorn6870 4 жыл бұрын

Do you play Dark Souls?

@muhammadsalafiahlulhadith 2 жыл бұрын

*You mean acronyms honey!*

@muhammadsalafiahlulhadith 2 жыл бұрын

@@Triumph._. *THOUGH = THOUGHt⁉️🙄😴👎🏻DO YOU PRONOUNCE THE "TH" IN THOUGHT THE SAME AS THE "TH" IN THOUGH SIMPLY BCUZ IT'S MISSING A "T"?* 😳 🙄😴👎🏻 *DO YOU PRONOUNCE UNICEF AS "UNICHEF" BCUZ THE C STANDS FOR CHILDREN ?* 🙄😴👎🏻

@MahlenMorris 8 жыл бұрын

I suspect that the vehemence of the argument is because when you first hear someone say it, you think, "Oh, it's just an honest mistake that anyone could make, I'll help them out." But, because the decision is so arbitrary, people don't feel like they are wrong, so they double down, and then you do, and then, well...here we are. I just found out that there's even a name for this, Sayre's Law: "In any dispute the intensity of feeling is inversely proportional to the value of the issues at stake." That's like Internet discussions in a nutshell.

@jangxx 8 жыл бұрын

9:17 Most GIF hosting sites already use mp4 as codec because of the vastly smaller file sizes. Most GIFs aren't even .gif-files anymore.

@warxdrum 8 жыл бұрын

and that should be known to all people that use facebook and see a time scroller on the bottom... i don't really want to call those movies "gifs" but calling them "movies of timeskipped pictures" sounds stupid.

@zebbleganubi723 8 жыл бұрын

so we should call them miffs?

@WhoWatchesVideos 8 жыл бұрын

Uness you're imgur, which insists on confusing my programs by using the .gifv container and forcing me to rename it to a .webm after downloading it

@FranciscoAreasGuimaraes Жыл бұрын

This is 2023 and I just want to say I miss the idea channel so much

@shawniscoolerthanyou 3 жыл бұрын

*Tom Scott has entered the chat

@-MikeyK- 2 жыл бұрын

As someone that was using these files when they were first created (late 80s & early 90s), I can say that it wasn't just the creator that pronounced it with the J sound, but also the community. I only started hearing it with the G sound in the 2000s when the internet and computers became much more mainstream. That's my 2 Jifs on the matter.

@Elimbi1 8 жыл бұрын

I have no respect for people who pronouncr its Jif.

@Zectifin 8 жыл бұрын

If my gf pronounced it jif I would abandon her in the desert. she would do the same for me. That's how I know she's a keeper.

@Elimbi1 8 жыл бұрын

+Andrew Boardman I like Gif all over my face and im proud.

@Dharengo 8 жыл бұрын

You don't respect the inventor of gif?

@vibezkap02 8 жыл бұрын

fite mee

@lionskull1 8 жыл бұрын

@draco2351 8 жыл бұрын

He's finally confronted the channel old question!

@draco2351 8 жыл бұрын

Informative and educational as always. Learning about the complexities of English language is exciting.

@BibsZL 8 жыл бұрын

Even more exciting for an english teacher like me, i get this types of questions from my students all the time!

@comicalhexical 8 жыл бұрын

There's also another argument he missed. Generally a hard g is used for non front vowels(A, O, U) and a soft g is used for front vowels(I, E, Y)

@rekh127 8 жыл бұрын

lol no. thats essentially #2. Girl, get, gift, gigabyte, etc etc, ethere is not generally.

@ProfessorPuppet 8 жыл бұрын

I like Zhaif. Like the others, it identifies the speaker as part of a specific group - the group that thinks it funny when people fight passionately about this question.

@nikitabesson2814 6 жыл бұрын

very interessant to look english speakers searchin for a french rule they don t know but they respect it in every sentence

@fjert3729 5 жыл бұрын

nikita besson stfu please

@engieboi89therealone19 4 жыл бұрын

Zhif is how I like it

@100crisps 8 жыл бұрын

ZHAIF 4 LAIF can we get it on a t-shirt pls

@MCAndyT 5 жыл бұрын

@JenxRodwell 8 жыл бұрын

I pronounce it "GIF" like in gift, because that's how you read it phonetically in my language, and fuck having to deal with the insanity of the English language and it's consistent inability to decide on how the fuck anything is supposed to be spelled.

@oowaz 8 жыл бұрын

it sounds better than the other options too i think.

@Dragoniiia 8 жыл бұрын

h5 bro!

@mookiemorjax 8 жыл бұрын

"fuck having to deal with the insanity of the English language and it's consistent inability to decide on how the fuck anything is supposed to be spelled." Can I say this as a native speaker, too? English is so bass-ackwards!

@JenxRodwell 8 жыл бұрын

Morjax Plays I actually think you are even more entitled to say it than me, being a native speaker and all. You've had to deal with this insanity your whole life! :)

@mookiemorjax 8 жыл бұрын

English is so messed up. I learned French in school which still has some odd rules from it's Romantic background, but at least the conjugation is almost always consistent. I also learned some Japanese, and I love how formulaic and consistent it is. I could conjugate all sorts of verbs I didn't even know what they meant because they all conjugate the same :) English is a goofball language, but I'm a goofball.... so maybe that works?

@NoyzBot 8 жыл бұрын

If someone "corrects" me, I say "okay, (whatever they said)" and keep talking. I start with a hard G, but it's hard to have a conversation about a medium when one voice is uncomfortable with your words. example: "oh have you seen these corruption gifs?" "you mean jifs" "okay, have you seen these corruption jifs?" "no, show me what you're talking about!" and bam. we good.

@NoyzBot 8 жыл бұрын

***** I just don't care

@EliottKosanke 8 жыл бұрын

Never compromise. Hard G! lol

@alethearia 2 жыл бұрын

5 years later and I'm still using this video to quell arguments

@ceresprism 8 жыл бұрын

I loved your rotating use of the different pronunciations. Also, ZHAIF 4 LAIF t-shirts should totally be a thing.

@JohnBainbridge0 8 жыл бұрын

This is driving me nuts now! Every argument has a counter-argument that has a counter-counter argument that leads back to the original argument! It's an infinite logic loop! Help!! Get me out!!!

@Timman96 8 жыл бұрын

Does not compute! Does not compute!

@zebbleganubi723 8 жыл бұрын

if you go back far enough, back to before the big bang, you find the true pronunciation

@RevelationsPrimo 8 жыл бұрын

"Bang"

@TevelDrinkwater 6 жыл бұрын

ʒaɪf 4 laif! I actually do work ʒaɪf into conversations, as well as dʒɪf and ɡɪf. It upsets everyone equally.

@uneek35 8 жыл бұрын

Me, I pronounce it Gif, because it's the only thing that can be pronounced that way. I hear "jif" and think of peanut butter.

@PlasmaMongoose 8 жыл бұрын

As an Australian, when I hear Jif, I think of the bathroom/kitchen cleaner that has been around for decades.

@SaintUpthrust 8 жыл бұрын

But lots of people only half-pronounce the T in gift, which opens hard-g GIF up for to be mixed up with a far more common word. I'd be hard pressed to think of a situation where I couldn't figure out if someone were talking about Jif versus GIF from context. I mean, keep pronouncing it however you want, but I really don't think there's a right answer here.

@smaspa8627 8 жыл бұрын

I absolutely loved the way you jumped between the pronunciations throughout the video. Very well done, as always!

@TrackSol 6 жыл бұрын

After 11 minutes and 48 seconds, I'm sticking with "JIF"

@ggdk2865 4 жыл бұрын

rip

@scyline4310 3 жыл бұрын

Jpeg interchange format?

@muhammadsalafiahlulhadith 2 жыл бұрын

@@Triumph._. *BCUZ IT'S JIF!*

@muhammadsalafiahlulhadith 2 жыл бұрын

@@Triumph._. *U cringy ignoramus! DO YOU PRONOUNCE JPEG AS JFEG BCUZ THE P STANDS FOR PHOTOGRAPHIC? ACRONYMS HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH WHAT THE LETTERS IN THEM STAND FOR! U DONT PRONOUNCE PC AS PEE KEE BCUZ THE C STANDS FOR COMPUTER* 🙄😴👎🏻

@muhammadsalafiahlulhadith 2 жыл бұрын

@@ggdk2865 *U cringy ignoramus! DO YOU PRONOUNCE JPEG AS JFEG BCUZ THE P STANDS FOR PHOTOGRAPHIC? ACRONYMS HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH WHAT THE LETTERS IN THEM STAND FOR! U DONT PRONOUNCE PC AS PEE KEE BCUZ THE C STANDS FOR COMPUTER* 🙄😴👎🏻

@cmckee42 8 жыл бұрын

I choose to pronounce it "steve".

@KingOfMadCows 8 жыл бұрын

So I've been pronouncing it wrong all along, that really takes me down a jpeg.

@heartpng 8 жыл бұрын

I love how you cycle between the "zhaif", "gif", and "jif" pronunciations in the video.

@TheZarkoc 8 жыл бұрын

It warms my heart that Americans are learning about the glorious Ж.

@bagandtag4391 8 жыл бұрын

THERE IS NO MIDDLE GROUND!!! IT'S US OR THEM, WE MUST CONTROL AND CORRECT THOSE WHO SAY "JIF"!!!

@Memington 8 жыл бұрын

ZHAIF 4 LAIF

@meatrace 8 жыл бұрын

Why? Jif IS correct.

@bagandtag4391 8 жыл бұрын

meatrace NO, IT ISN'T, NOW YOU WILL PAY

@user-jn8rz1sn4q 8 жыл бұрын

9ㅔ999

@kayvee256 8 жыл бұрын

ZHAIF ZHAIF ZHAIF ZHAIF ZHAIF ZHAIF ZHAIF ZHAIF ZHAIF ZHAIF ZHAIF ZHAIF ZHAIF ZHAIF ZHAIF ZHAIF ZHAIF ZHAIF ZHAIF ZHAIF ZHAIF ZHAIF ZHAIF ZHAIF ZHAIF ZHAIF ZHAIF kekekekekekekekekeke. ::zerg::

@loisnersesian778 8 жыл бұрын

I say "zhaif" so much now that everyone I know has gotten used to it and says it too. Let's start a revolution! ZHAIF FOR LAIF!

@chase_like_the_bank 8 жыл бұрын

This was the best episode in a while. Really nice work

@EriKilljoy 8 жыл бұрын

As a student of linguistics, I must say that your language focused videos are some of my favourites.

@IntrinsicNRJ 8 жыл бұрын

i need a zhaif of zhaif 4 laif asap

@IntrinsicNRJ 8 жыл бұрын

sorry, ayyyyysapp

@Houdini111 8 жыл бұрын

Let it be done. kzfaq.info?v=bmqy-Sp0txY&g=tyLN6WbJKAw

@lyadmilo 8 жыл бұрын

Uhhh... actually, the Great Vowel Shift began before the printing press and the pronounciation chosen by the change caused by the press had to do with like, court squabbles and picking favourites. But it was shifting before that :)

@pbsideachannel 8 жыл бұрын

Yeah, that should probably have been an "around the time of" and not "after". Good catch.

@lyadmilo 8 жыл бұрын

PBS Idea Channel Grad school officially worth it :P

@NickGreyden 8 жыл бұрын

*favorites :-D :-P

@emessar 8 жыл бұрын

For me, pronouncing it with a hard G is a point of disambiguation with peanut butter.

@thedarkercarter 4 жыл бұрын

Man, I miss this channel. I use this video every time the argument starts up at work.

@timsaneiam 8 жыл бұрын

Zhaif Ghoti sounds like a math-rock band

@timsaneiam 8 жыл бұрын

Or looks like, as it would be pronounced Gif fish, which sounds like a psychedelic children's music band.

@pbsideachannel 8 жыл бұрын

Would live show visuals be nonstop zhaifs of ghotis?

@dford192 8 жыл бұрын

Oh shit, that's an awesome point.

@LokrowN 8 жыл бұрын

And it would confuse more people about it's pronounciation than Lynyrd Skynyrd.

@caioprado225 8 жыл бұрын

In brasilian portuguese we dont say "gifi" we say "fotinea animada" and I think that's beautifull

@Lucas-ny2no 8 жыл бұрын

Hahaha do we? I have always heard gifee, but from now on I'm using "fotinea (fotinha) animada" bc it's cute. Btw, do you know anyone who uses "hiffee" as pointed out in the video?

@caioprado225 8 жыл бұрын

+Lucas Martins Its just a joke xD Have you not heard of the Great War of Memes? It was started by this one And well, everyone I know says guif actially (some actually do say guifi)

@Lucas-ny2no 8 жыл бұрын

Ohhhh, now I get the joke. I only knew about this Meme War last wednesday. haha, anyways, I'm still using fotinha animada huehue

@mookiemorjax 8 жыл бұрын

This is the most civil discussion on the subject I've ever seen.

@HappyNBoy 8 жыл бұрын

You do a remarkable job of rotating through Jif, Gif and Zhaif. It is bound to be infuriating, and I love it!

@Eskregliah 6 жыл бұрын

LASER IS AN ACRONYM ?!?!?! OH MY GOD

@midir4000 6 жыл бұрын

Right!?

@kevl4n109 4 жыл бұрын

Watch theodd1sout its in one of his vids

@PepsVideoArchive 8 жыл бұрын

And that's why English spelling sucks so much....

@storn7024 8 жыл бұрын

Ov cors it sax. Wî śud oll spell laik ðis. Ðis iz mać better. Olsou, źaif 4 laif!

@LowestofheDead 8 жыл бұрын

+Storn - Development Az long az its regyuler and cunsistant

7 жыл бұрын

You guys all sound Turkish when you do that. That's hilarious :D

@Matty002 7 жыл бұрын

this. the pronunciation is a symptom of the massive orthographic problems english haz, not natural pronunciation differences ala

@MrShinyObject 8 жыл бұрын

I'm very impressed at how you alternated between the main 3 in the last bit of the video.

@verdatum 8 жыл бұрын

You should be proud of this one. From the title, I thought this episode was gonna be _horrible_. I was super wrong. I love being wrong like this. I love discussions of linguistics, and the evolution of language and everything from a fixed labial dental fricative down to Grimm's law. I've been on the internet since the days of Compuserve, and I'm so completely finished with the gif pronunciation argument. But you managed to dance around it beautifully while teaching people some wonderful stuff. That's no easy task, and that's absolutely delightful.

@gardiner_bryant 8 жыл бұрын

The debate between 'GIF' and 'JIF' is silly to me. It's like how the GNOME desktop environment is supposed to be pronounced 'Guh-Nome.' I just don't care. Also, this debate reminds me of when I was a kid and I first started reading Harry Potter. I had never heard the name Hermione and consequently, I read the name in my head as 'Herm-eye-own". I was 9 when I first read Harry Potter and realized that all the kids at school had their own pronunciation for her name... and we would get into arguments about it. It wasn't until the movie came out that a consensus was reached--however, to me, she'll always be Herm-eye-own. There was one kid who contended that her name was Herm-ee-one because it reminded him of Obi-wan. I guess the point of this anecdote is to illustrate my position that language is completely arbitrary.

@shawniscoolerthanyou 8 жыл бұрын

Ah a linux guy. Let's talk about: Latex-the typesetting language. It's lah-tek and people get crazy when I say it. I also say sudo as sue-doe since it's a play on the word pseudo. And what about Mate, the DE? Good thing I was reading about that one and saw it's mah-tay, like the tea, before I said it to someone and looked silly. Funny thing though, I was talking to someone about Spacemacs, the plugin suite for emacs and someone said "so you pronounce it space macs?" That's what it said on the site. I asked how else you would pronounce it, spak e macs?

@mavrc 8 жыл бұрын

"I also say sudo as sue-doe since it's a play on the word pseudo." But it was originally meant to mean "superuser do", so it should be pronounced sue-doo (even though I still pronounce it as sue-doe, for no really good reason.) There's an endless parade of these things...

@meatrace 8 жыл бұрын

So when did you stop mispronouncing Hermione? When you heard it pronounced correctly, I assume, in the films. There is an authority in the matter, in that there is an actual AUTHOR.

@gardiner_bryant 8 жыл бұрын

+meatrace in fact, I still mispronounce her name in my head when I'm reading the book. And I don't care about the authors intent. To me, Neville Longbottom was "the chosen one" despite what Rowling says. And Ron and Hermione did not end up together.

@meatrace 8 жыл бұрын

+The Linux Gamer oh i see so you are just delusional all around. Fair enough.

@NiLowther 8 жыл бұрын

Here's an idea: We make a new super-popular file format called .JIF and then all the soft-g supporters will be forced to switch their pronunciation for .GIF. Or are we looking for compromise?

@zebbleganubi723 8 жыл бұрын

what about .GJIF ?

@WarmongerGandhi 8 жыл бұрын

I would continue to pronounce .gif with a soft g, then pronounce .jif with a hard g to distinguish it.

@ITR 7 жыл бұрын

Hah, I'll make a .jif first and say it's pronounced /ɡɪf/ :-P

@nikitabesson2814 6 жыл бұрын

no compromise only a french rule and some baboons who respect it every day but who are looking for it ridiculous years , and millions of comments for a rules who can be explain by a 6 years old kid a rule you respect already in the word " pronounce " what we can deserve from people who can not understand what mean parl in the word parliement or langu in the word language

@newnavi2814 5 жыл бұрын

Then lets do the same thing for jpeg to jfeg. Cause that's what you want right? Clearly graphics has a hard g and photo has a ph or f sound.

@NomzNoodle 8 жыл бұрын

Your clever alternations of pronunciation officially made me okay with all three of them

@n1hondude 8 жыл бұрын

I love videos like this because I'm constantly learning English even though I've been casually fluent for over 10 years.

@LeoMRogers 7 жыл бұрын

The best reason to go with 'gif' is because even the people who say 'jif' use the spelling 'gif' to describe the sound 'gif'.

@LeoAr37 7 жыл бұрын

I think the same thing everytime lol

@justapotota4330 6 жыл бұрын

And Merriam-Webster uses "ˈnət-ˌkra-kə" to described the sound of "nutcracker"

@grabern 6 жыл бұрын

+Just A Potota 54 That's the IPA transcription...

@nikitabesson2814 6 жыл бұрын

the best way is to respect the french rule of the english language especially about the rule of the feminin and masculin vowel you can find this rule in the word " pronounCE " for exemple

@fjert3729 5 жыл бұрын

nikita besson can you please shut up

@wingbull2009 8 жыл бұрын

"In Spanish and Dutch maybe hif?" In Dutch it's gif with the arabian sounding "g" (and sounds the same as gif which is poison: xɪf).

@Quintinohthree 8 жыл бұрын

Of course we have our own soft and hard G differences but we agree these are geographical rather than disagreements over what is corrct and what is not.

@maxximumb 8 жыл бұрын

In Afrikaans, similar to dutch, the G has a gh sound at the start of words, so it could possibly be pronounced GHIF.

@BiaZarr 8 жыл бұрын

Seriously? that's interesting.

@HenkJanBakker 8 жыл бұрын

He tried the Dutch 'g'. It's not for everybody. ;-)

@pokoirlyase5931 8 жыл бұрын

Arabian "g" ? We don'have any "g" in arabic ... At least no english/frensh "g" .. But i think you mean the letter "خ"

@michaelnevinmiller 7 жыл бұрын

I love that you constantly bounce between pronunciations.

@middenway 8 жыл бұрын

Applause for alternating on the pronunciation. That was fantastic. Zhaif for life.

@markedfang 8 жыл бұрын

The beauty of language, mistakes are pardoned when they're common.

@markedfang 8 жыл бұрын

Your pronounciation is wrong btw.

@MartinRiiseNielsen 8 жыл бұрын

And your spelling of the word "pronunciation" is wrong as well.

@markedfang 8 жыл бұрын

MartinRiiseNielsen Well that's easily fixed.

@MartinRiiseNielsen 8 жыл бұрын

+markedfang and now that you changed it, my comment just looks stupid. Thanks a lot mate ;)

@markedfang 8 жыл бұрын

MartinRiiseNielsen Oh dear .. Wouldn't want that!! D: I'll bear the stupid burden. :'c

@MarshmallowRadiation 8 жыл бұрын

I think "JPEG" should be pronounced "jayfeg," not "jaypeg." It stands for Joint Photographic Experts Group, not Joint Potographic Experts Group, god dammit!

@TheMrVengeance 6 жыл бұрын

You refuted your own point. You need a PH to get an F sound. It's not called a JPHEG. Therefore you say "jaypeg".

@G33v3s 8 жыл бұрын

Hugely impressed how well you managed to spread the love in general flow of the episode. I always want to use zhaif now, but alas it's almost certain that no one would know what the heck I'm on about.

@JewishMusicToronto 8 жыл бұрын

Finally! I have waited so long for this!

@deldarel 8 жыл бұрын

You have a podcast? I got into them a week ago and they have been my favorite thing in my life since then. I listen to them on my smartphone (on which I now keep the bottom row empty, hint to which podcast I'm listening to now) when I cycle around.

@Npcubed33 8 жыл бұрын

HI or Cortex?

@deldarel 8 жыл бұрын

Npcubed33 Both, but it hasn't been brought up in HI yet.

@kyle-silver 8 жыл бұрын

Ah, but do you keep three in the dock?

@deldarel 8 жыл бұрын

Kyle Silver I have android. There is a menue button in between the 4 options for dock so you need an even amount of icons to split up on both sides of the menu button. I picked 4 because I needed 3, else I would have picked 2.

@monotoneduck2851 8 жыл бұрын

horray for cortex

@PrabhablyAGoodYouTuber 6 жыл бұрын

Jeff

@marcomedina4434 7 жыл бұрын

I always feel compelled to specify whether it's animated or not, i.e. "animated GIF"...

@andrewwaldrip5108 8 жыл бұрын

Love the rotation of pronunciations throughout. Nice touch ^.^

@225Perfect 8 жыл бұрын

The reason I believe that there is a controversy here, because all of the pronunciations are self derived. Before the internet, there was no such thing as a GIF, and it existed as an acronym without a pronunciation. The interesting concept here, to me, is the idea that a word could exist and convey meaning without any accompanying vocalizations. Regardless of how you say it, we all know what it means, like the symbol that represented Prince.

@225Perfect 8 жыл бұрын

I should also mention that this can be part of the prescriptivist vs descriptivist debate that goes on all the time among linguists. Are the rules what define a language, or do the users create the definitions?

@Puddingfuzz 8 жыл бұрын

zhaif 4 laif!

@gadirlgadirk 5 жыл бұрын

I still reference this video all the time and send it to people. I really miss this channel

@pmf98 8 жыл бұрын

Thank you for the GIFt of the fish joke in this. My mind was just blown out of the metaphorical water. If I were still in school, I would show this to my humanities teachers.

@EirikXL 8 жыл бұрын

But I have 2 pretty valid arguments for pronouncing it G-I-F, 1: if the creator had to say "it's pronounced JIF, not GIF", Shouldn't that in itself ring a bell? I mean he literally said not to pronounce GIF as GIF, which admits that GIF is pronounced as G-I-F. 2: if you read the word GIF in almost any other language other than English it will come out closer to or exactly like G-I-F, in English it comes out as J-I-F for some people. EDIT: nr 2 was mentioned in the video.

@kevl4n109 4 жыл бұрын

But. Zhaif... and gifka

@TheEpicOne8129 8 жыл бұрын

Is it weird that I use both? I think most of the time I use Gif but I've caught myself sometimes saying Jif.

@nerdy_crawfish 8 жыл бұрын

It's not. I default to soft g but if I hear people use the hard g in a conversation I naturally start using the hard g. The weirdest thing is if I don't hear someone else say "gif" first I stutter it...

@user-nk8zx1yw8s 5 жыл бұрын

Nesogra ikr, I just use what people around me use, mainly because people make a big deal out of it for no reason.

@cianbrowne3669 8 жыл бұрын

I like how he constantly changes his pronunciation of [GIF] throughout the video, to show that he REALLY does not want to start an argument .

@Wired4Life2 5 жыл бұрын

*This is my go-to video whenever I'm tempted to re-join any GIF pronunciation debates.*

@stinknus 8 жыл бұрын

I believe in the Proscriptive linguist ideology, that common pronunciation trumps the native pronunciation or prescriptive linguist ideology. So by popular use Gif with a hard g is correct. So as much as it pains me to say it, This means the british saying zed instead of zee for the letter z. is technical correct if you are in UK. and Maths even though Math is already plural and Maths makes you sound stupid is still correct.

@roryokane5907 8 жыл бұрын

How is "maths" stupid? It's short for "mathematicS".

@OpDDay2001 8 жыл бұрын

Because Math is Mathematics. The "-s" is superfluous. Math is the technically correct way to shorten mathematics, well, except in the way the top comment alluded towards. Think of it this way, maths is making something that is already plural into a double plural. Maths turns mathematics into mathematicses, which is just silly. It may be colloquially correct in England and certain British-influenced countries, but that doesn't mean it is technically correct.

@LyricalDJ 8 жыл бұрын

Well, common pronunciation needn't be global. There is plenty of space for dialects or minor variations in speech. There are quite a few dutch dialects and there used to be many more and the Netherlans isn't exactly the largest of places. And that's not counting dutch dialects outside of the Netherlands. For example.

@nitidiuscula 8 жыл бұрын

Note up front that I don't think one version is wrong/right, linguistic variations make communication more informative and fun. For context I am from America where it is always "math." I don't think "mathematics" is a substantive plural. You never talk about one mathematic; the term doesn't exist in singular form, it's only ever mathematicS. So insisting on "maths" to preserve the (illusory) plural doesn't make much sense to me.

@KravenErgeist 8 жыл бұрын

Is it worth mentioning the growing prevalence of the .GIFV or .WEBM files that are quickly rising to replace the .GIF format?

@AdamTopCommenter 5 жыл бұрын

I hope gif goes extinct becaue of the horrible acronym

@ggdk2865 4 жыл бұрын

@@AdamTopCommenter The acronym is fine, the bad thing is people making a huge debate about it. Or that the creator pronounced it wrong himself :D

@ggdk2865 2 жыл бұрын

@@chiptuna8292 Without starting a huge debate here, the most commonly used pronunciation for the acronym is with a hard G.

@FalconX88 8 жыл бұрын

That's one of the best videos I've seen in a long time

@Kenkire 8 жыл бұрын

I highly respect you for your alternating pronunciation of the word in question; making everyone feel included. Also, every time you did, I giggled. P.s, Because of your original post on this, I pronounce it the way you do now. I love the looks of incredulity I get from people.

@eyewarsx 7 жыл бұрын

Or JPEG as JFEG.

@TheMrVengeance 6 жыл бұрын

The F sound comes from the PH, not the P alone. Last time I checked it's not called a JPHEG.

@deltax930 8 жыл бұрын

I think we can all agree its pronounce GIF

@user-nk8zx1yw8s 5 жыл бұрын

Delta X I say whatever people around me say because they make a big deal out of it if I say it differently than them, I’m not sure which one is right but “jif” sounds more appealing to me.

@Brisarious 8 жыл бұрын

I actually really like the pronunciation 'zhaif' mostly on account of it being a pronunciation that I was introduced to me through audio as opposed to text. since then I've found it to be the only pronunciation I can say consistently.

@mikelewis495 4 жыл бұрын

I like how to refer to the pronunciation with a hard G, his subtitles spell it "Gif" and when he wants to pronounce it with a soft G, it says "Jif". Kind of implies something doesn't it given that the word is actually spelled "Gif"

@Maldito011316 8 жыл бұрын

Your first argument debunk is incorrect. You tried to debunk a consonant pronunciation by showing examples of vowel pronunciation. What if the rebutal is "It doesn't matter for the vowels, but it is consistent with the consonants"?

@JorWat25 8 жыл бұрын

JPEG? Photographic has an 'f' sound.

@Maldito011316 8 жыл бұрын

And in Brazilian Portugues it's never "hiff-ee", but jeeff-ee is ok (jee, not djee).

@hankpan16 8 жыл бұрын

What about JPEG? The "P" stands for "photographic" but most people don't pronounce it "Jay-Feg". Either way, there's no "correct" way to pronounce it.

@Maldito011316 8 жыл бұрын

Good one.

@robeiva2788 8 жыл бұрын

Not the best example. The "F" sound comes from "PH" not "P". The H hasn't been included in the acronym. If they had wanted to preserve the pronunciation, they could have named it "JPHEG" This was the approach taken with radar -- radio detection and ranging. They included the first TWO letters from radio in order to give the acronym its pronunciation. Another example is Amphetamine. The first rule of pronouncing an acronym, the pronunciation should make sense based on the letters contained within the acronym. This is also why the acronym SHIELD is pronounced like the word shield even though its component word "Strategic" does not have a "SH" sound. However, this doesn't mean that it's wrong to say that the pronunciation can be informed by the component words. The problem is that there's no natural reason to pronounce "GIF" with a soft G. The default pronunciation for the letter G is a hard G. The closest word in the English language is "gift". The component word contains a hard G. The only compelling argument for "JIF" is that the creator chose this pronunciation, but this was only publicised during a speech in 2013, more than 20 years after the format was created, and long after the hard G pronunciation was firmly established.

@ArnovanZelst 8 жыл бұрын

I'm Dutch, and I doubt anyone would say 'HIF', since it sounds EXACTLY like how we pronounce HIV (we don't say the abbreviation, just as if it was a word, like 'laser'. Plus the /v/ sound in Dutch is very similar to an /f/ sound). Do you mean the 'hard' /g/ in Dutch, (doesn't exist in English, IPA: /x/)? Where did you get the info from?

@ArnovanZelst 8 жыл бұрын

Also interesting to me is that Dutch people prefer the English hard /g/ sound. Because it doesn't exist in Dutch at all, except in the English loan word 'goal'. Most people speak English, plus the /k/ exists in Dutch, but it's still funny that a nonnative sound wins over a native pronunciation.

@tessiegril5736 8 жыл бұрын

I have heard people say HIV as a word and letter for letter in South-Holland.

@ArnovanZelst 8 жыл бұрын

True, I've heard people say H-I-V or HIV, I think they're interchangeable. But no one saying 'Hiv' as meaning GIF

@raizin4908 7 жыл бұрын

With H he means the [x] sound. He writes it as HIF because [h] and [x] are considered the same sound (both allophones of the phoneme /x/) in Spanish, so American school kids all learn in Spanish class that it's the same sound, or a variation of the H sound. Even though it's a totally different sound in our Dutch heads. Plus, H is the closest equivalent they have in English.

@thomasjansen5921 6 жыл бұрын

We just say poison

@hexDragon007 8 жыл бұрын

I've always been a fan of the pronunciation "yiff"

@jbailey514 8 жыл бұрын

Hey I was in the video :P This was a spectacular little subtle bit on language, cleverly using the GIF pronunciation as a model. Language is absolutely fluid, I could have watched an hour more of you talking about this, it's a great subject!

@alexanderkracinovich6123 7 жыл бұрын

LONG LIVE "HIF"!

@Dexuz 7 жыл бұрын

That spanish tho :v

@alexanderkracinovich6123 7 жыл бұрын

I know. The rules in Spanish make more sense. And I'm an English speaker.

@Dexuz 7 жыл бұрын

Alexander Kracinovich I know because the spanish is my mother language xd But if you ask me, i like to say "gif" instead of "jif"

@jnkmal9519 4 жыл бұрын

GIF = Graphics Interchange Format. Today I learned that I've been mispronouncing jraphics.

@commonpoppy 8 жыл бұрын

Jiffany is one of the funniest jokes ever in a series and I was so happy when it popped up here. Nothing else to add.

@Jahute 8 жыл бұрын

Using all forms of GIF in the same breath is brilliant. Language, it's nuances and influence are fascinating.

@kitsilanocat 7 жыл бұрын

I pronounce it j-if because generally in English a G followed by an I, e, or y is pronounced softly. when I approach and unfamiliar word with a G in these circumstances, which is usually a Latin based word, I use a soft G, which explains why the first time I saw gif, I pronounced it with a soft G. I guess it's the people who don't understand linguistics who pronounce it with a hard g then..?

@trejkaz 7 жыл бұрын

gift

@alcidenikopol3113 6 жыл бұрын

French phonetical rules you are using iin every sentences about masculin or feminin vowel behind a g a s or c ... like for exemple i the word sentence ...america...language ...pronounce .....police ...laser ...residus ...EXemple ...the ameriCAn are really a fuckin reSIdus of a miscariage .....

@TheMrVengeance 6 жыл бұрын

+Kitsilanocat - ....Err, [citation needed]! It was even said in the video, only a small minority of words in English beginning with G are soft. Also, I'm literally a linguist.

@richardtaylor3331 8 жыл бұрын

I say Jiff because, to me, it sounds better and is more intuitive.

@Arafor 8 жыл бұрын

The written script for this episode must have been a sight to behold.

@Hetnikik 8 жыл бұрын

I love that you changed the they way you said gif every time.

@Firmus777 8 жыл бұрын

5:20 What?! That is not the beauty of language, the arbitrary nature of language is the most chaotic and therefor the most horrible thing about it. You can't just go by "What does it matter if we can understand each other just fine?", language is a system and every system needs to have rules to govern it, otherwise it is pointless. Ordnung muss sein.

@dianan502000 8 жыл бұрын

I disagree with you. The thing is English as a language has borrowed so much from other languages that the rules that govern it, don't necessarily ring true for most words. Look at I before E except after C, common words like species, weird, science, their, and eight. I feel that language is more about communication. A set of rules is agreed upon and then broken or altered depending on the community that uses it. Look at the way the Internet approaches grammar where the casUAL CASCADE OF WORDS incites volume in a place where there is no sound or intentional misspellings of words like sweety into sweaty relay sarcasm to take the place of tone. I don't believe that the stance "as long as we understand each other" is pointless if we approach language and the rules that govern it as a starting point not an end point.

@swng314 8 жыл бұрын

People change, no set of static rules can govern it successfully. Language is defined by usage.

@vsm1456 6 жыл бұрын

Even if it needs to have rules to govern, it doesn't work like this, people say the way they say, and that's it. Linguistics as a science doesn't govern anything, it studies. And this is not only in English, it's in every language out there unless government wants to force changes to language in an unnatural way.

@TheMrVengeance 6 жыл бұрын

+Diana N - The fact that not all rules of a language work for 100% of the cases within that language, doesn't mean a language doesn't and/or shouldn't have rules. The argument _"as long as we understand each other"_ isn't an argument for a language, its an argument for a pidgin. When you start adding structure and vocabulary to that pidgin it starts becoming a creole. And with widespread usage, grammar and rules, that creole can grow into an actual proper language. If you're arguing "no rules!", "only usage, nothing else matters" and "as long as we understand each other" you're arguing for a devolution of language back to its embryonic stage.

@viviana8284 7 жыл бұрын

Do you guys say potato or potato? Personally, I say potato.

@placidtone6454 7 жыл бұрын

Viviana po-tey-toh po-tah-toh

@roqxwalker3896 7 жыл бұрын

pəteɪtəʊ

@umnikos 6 жыл бұрын

pot-ate-oh!

@lebloc 8 жыл бұрын

This is a great video. Thank you.

@TheEuropeanFox 8 жыл бұрын

In my opinion, it's based on how "GI" is pronounced in your native language and how familiar you are with words that contain "GI". So, you can both speak the same language but maybe you're more familiar with some words than others and that makes you lean towards a specific type of pronounciation.

@BrandonWirtz 8 жыл бұрын

This argument is stupid. Kleenex may be used for something that is made by Puffs, but that doesn't change the way you say the word. The argument at 10:14 is that it doesn't matter as long as people know what you are talking about. You'd be laughed at if you said you prague-grammed in Rubby on Rah-ills and were oozing the Pro-Fits to buy a Shay-Vye Ma-Lye-Ba. This is different than saying that Indiana folk are wrong for Runnin' Jumpin' and Swimmin' with a silent G, because those are not Named Entities with specified brands. English Divergence due to regionalization is not the same as calling a named entity something other than what it is. Try calling your girlfriend by an alternate pronunciation of her name and see how far that gets you in life.

@nikitabesson2814 6 жыл бұрын

the argument ? phonetical ? in an unphonetical language ? yes the english respect only the french phonetical rules so you have to respect the rule in the word gif like you respect the same rule in the word " pronounCE " the rule is called rule of the masculin and feminin vowel and define a lot of pronounciation o , u , a are masculin , e , i , y are feminin ameriCa , faculty , falcon pronounCiation , faCe , facial , faculty same rule with G , S , SS TT LL giraf germinal geronte no make an hard g with a feminin vowel you to put a U guerre , guild , gueld , guest

@Linda-vq8oq 7 жыл бұрын

It's pronounced 'jif' case closed.

@unoriginalyoutubename8761 6 жыл бұрын

Linda It is gif. Case closed.

@user-nk8zx1yw8s 5 жыл бұрын

Gif just sounds extremely weird to say, I’m saying jif because it’s more comfortable to me, not because it’s wrong or right.

@WillieTroubador 8 жыл бұрын

Printing Press Phonetic Shift is my favorite RS episode. Shouts out to whoever creates that podcast ;)

@iamatunt 8 жыл бұрын

Another great vid! I used to be a Gif fan but you explained it very accurately and efficiently...and this is coming from a Speech-Path graduate. Good job man.

@StylerGear 8 жыл бұрын

Most the time I pronounce it with a hard G, "Jif", because it's less likely to get confused with gift, and it just feels more natural to me and my tongue. Then again, the way I say GIF may get confused with "Jeff". But who really cares (apparently everyone, for some odd reason). What *I think* we should argue over, is how to pronounce/spell the plural for oc-top-o-des! (that's the Greek plural for Octopus, and the word comes from Greek, look it up).

@mikehamper 8 жыл бұрын

Really interesting, thanks Mike!

@goomylife5403 8 жыл бұрын

Brazilian Portuguese never uses an "h" sound for g. The "gifi" thing isn't really a pronunciation difference, but Portuguese tends to end words in vowel sounds, so Brazilians have a natural tendency to do that with foreign words, like "hot-i dog-i"