Do You Really Need Green Glue?

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Lately I have been thinking a lot about if Green Glue is really necessary in a soundproof studio build. The first hint, was that Rod Gervais only mentions Green Glue in a small section of his book. His entire process involves 5/8" drywall with specific construction techniques. So, why then do we need Green Glue? This is what I will answer in this article.
1) What Is Green Glue
Green Glue is a damping system. Damping involves reducing sound energy by converting it to heat by reducing the vibrations in the material. There are many damping materials on the market, the most notable competitor to Green Glue being Mass Loaded Vinyl or MLV.
In his book Home Recording Studio: Build It Like The Pros, Rod Gervais states the following: "There are a large number of damping systems on the market...But the only one that has caught my attention (providing not only greater isolation at low frequencies than standard drywall, while maintaining a cost performance that is reasonable) is a product called Green Glue..." (Gervais Chapter 4 Floor, Wall and Ceiling Construction Details pg.89).
2) How Green Glue Increases Isolation
To understand how Green Glue works we need to compare it to the mass needed to get the same isolation without using Green Glue. To understand this we need to look at Mass Law. Mass Law states that each doubling of mass adds 6dB of additional isolation, but in the real world that number is closer to 5dB. (Gervais Chapter 4 Floor, Wall and Ceiling Construction Details pg.89).
So, if you have two sheets of drywall on each side of your wall the next step is four sheets on each side to increase the isolation by 5dB.
Gervais shares a graph in his book from lab tests done by the Green Glue Company. These tests were done by a reputable third party lab with no connections to the Green Glue Company.
In the diagram below you can see that the top two lines in the graph show the Green Glue Assembly (two layers of drywall with green glue in the middle on a single stud wall) and the estimated performance of 4 layers of drywall per side.
What is important to note is first, the Green Glue simply outperforms the four layers of drywall across the entire frequency spectrum from 250Hz upward. Starting around 125Hz and below the green glue is superior to the four layers of drywall.
If we look at two layers of drywall without Green Glue it is clear that the Green Glue certainly outperforms the two layers of drywall across the entire frequency spectrum.
3) How Much Isolation Do You Need?
Now the initial instinct after looking at the graph is to say, great! Let me use Green Glue because it clearly gets the best results. Before you jump to that conclusion you need to ask yourself how much isolation you really need.
If you are primarily recording acoustic instruments and listening back to your speakers at a normal listening volume then you probably don't need to spend the extra money on Green Glue. However, if you are playing drums at all hours of the day or rehearsing with a heavy metal band at full blast then you would be wise to use Green Glue to get the maximum isolation possible.
4) Your Studio Is Only As Soundproof As Its Weakest Link
The next logical step is to think if your walls are getting really great isolation then you are good to go. However, if you use Green Glue and your walls have a really high STC value, but your doors and windows do not then you will not have a soundproof room with an STC as high as your walls.
Your room is only as soundproof as the least soundproof assembly in it. This means if your walls get an STC of 73, but your door gets an STC of 57 then you probably did not need to spend all that money adding Green Glue to your walls.
0:00 - Intro
1:18 - What Is Green Glue
2:27 - How Green Glue Increases Isolation
5:10 - How Much Isolation Do You Need
5:59 - Only As Strong as Weakest Link
8:21 - Conclusion

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@soundproofyourstudio
@soundproofyourstudio Жыл бұрын
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@dez5
@dez5 9 ай бұрын
great information to consider. Thank you for sharing.
@soundproofyourstudio
@soundproofyourstudio 9 ай бұрын
Glad it was helpful!
@Daveglorious
@Daveglorious Жыл бұрын
Love your videos -)
@soundproofyourstudio
@soundproofyourstudio Жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@gyasirossmusic
@gyasirossmusic Жыл бұрын
Thanks for making this vids! How do you feel about green glue vs SONOpan?
@soundproofyourstudio
@soundproofyourstudio Жыл бұрын
I don’t know anything about Sonopan, but maybe I will make a vid. Thanks for watching.
@sickmessiah
@sickmessiah 4 ай бұрын
I used both green glue and mlv. I used mlv different than most. I put it directly on studs and Rockwool safe n sound ( room within a room ) Sealed it with tape pvc tape. Then Used resilient channel for air gap , then drywall ( soundbreak xP ) green glue then another layer of the same drywall. I was thinking limp mass behind the wall with diaphragmatic effect. With the wall itself on resiliency channels getting some of that effect as well.
@soundproofyourstudio
@soundproofyourstudio 4 ай бұрын
I wouldn’t recommend this since the air gap is reduced because of the MLV.
@sickmessiah
@sickmessiah 4 ай бұрын
@@soundproofyourstudio It ls a room within a room and not touching the structure of the house. It added reduction to the walls before entering the Rockwool cavity that has another air gap behind that to the exterior walls with drywall and more insulation behind that. It added mass , another air seal and additional diaphragmatic effect.
@sickmessiah
@sickmessiah 4 ай бұрын
@@soundproofyourstudio also. The resilient channel is over mlv. So. The air gap exactly the same.
@lucasdwright
@lucasdwright 4 ай бұрын
Great video, very informative and well researched. Definitly get right into content as I think you'd have a lot more engagement. You have the content and have to remember videos like this aren't a conversation where you need foreplay. Just get into it.
@soundproofyourstudio
@soundproofyourstudio 4 ай бұрын
Thanks for the tips!
@niceboosai
@niceboosai Жыл бұрын
A little off topic but I'm wondering, with the whole double wall system in the studio you built what is the total thickness of the walls? What is the external footprint vs internal? Thanks!
@soundproofyourstudio
@soundproofyourstudio Жыл бұрын
3.75” stud 1” airgap 3.75” stud 5/8” drywall 5/8” drywall.
@fffmpeg
@fffmpeg Жыл бұрын
what's your setup for the sm7b? it's really noisy
@soundproofyourstudio
@soundproofyourstudio Жыл бұрын
It might not have been dialed in for this video. It’s going into a Apollo 8 with an 1176 on it. I probably could use a cloud lifter.
@soundproofyourstudio
@soundproofyourstudio Жыл бұрын
I just received an email from Rod Gervais saying he no longer recommends Green Glue. He states the following: "I'm going to let you know "just for the record" that I no longer recommend the use of that product........ My reason for this is due to the fact that I was contacted by the inventor and informed that after he sold the company the new owners modified the chemical composition of the product. Seeing as it is chemically, no longer the product I tested, I have no way of knowing if it has exactly the same properties as the original. As such i no longer recommend its use." - Rod Gervais If Rod doesn't recommend Green Glue then I also agree with him and say that we cannot "trust" something that has been altered and not lab tested. Best to stick to the physics and tried and true best practices.
@eliashdez
@eliashdez Жыл бұрын
What would you recommend now?
@soundproofyourstudio
@soundproofyourstudio Жыл бұрын
@@eliashdez I couldn't confirm that any of this is true, so for now I am sticking with GG if you can afford it. I do think it helps and until anyone can prove the data wrong it is better than not having anything.
@dougb5028
@dougb5028 10 ай бұрын
Has green glue been tested by an independent lab against other damping compounds?
@soundproofyourstudio
@soundproofyourstudio 10 ай бұрын
Yes
@GregoryGuay
@GregoryGuay Ай бұрын
Are there other damping compounds in the market? There’s someone online suggesting Roberts carpet adhesive, but of course that completely lacks any acoustic data and who knows if it hardens up after five years so…
@dougb5028
@dougb5028 10 ай бұрын
a full minute in before the actual video topic begins. Cut the filler out, please.
@soundproofyourstudio
@soundproofyourstudio 10 ай бұрын
Thanks for watching
@rick-val22
@rick-val22 7 ай бұрын
I am sorry but I think this is total BS, there is no way that lines of Green Glue sandwiched between two layers of drywall are going to be better than 4 layers of drywall. How thick was the drywall, 1/8" and the green glues was 2" thick?
@soundproofyourstudio
@soundproofyourstudio 7 ай бұрын
I actually agree and green glue is way overdue for a test in a lab. The only ones I can find are from 2008.
@RohannvanRensburg
@RohannvanRensburg 7 ай бұрын
I opted for using carpet glue instead of Green Glue. Literally 1/10 or less the cost, and a few independent tests I saw demonstrated the TL values to be reasonably similar. Green Glue has become absurdly expensive, at least here.
@soundproofyourstudio
@soundproofyourstudio 7 ай бұрын
I wouldn’t recommend carpet glue. No lab tests. Independent tests are not the same, besides glue does just the opposite. Green glue is not a glue. I don’t recommend green glue anymore.
@RohannvanRensburg
@RohannvanRensburg 7 ай бұрын
@@soundproofyourstudio True, the lack of lab tests is a shortcoming, but the particular type of carpet glue in question isn't exactly a "glue" either in that it doesn't harden over time. Gearspace had an interesting thread on it where IIRC it was tested in an isolated environment over a period of months.
@GregoryGuay
@GregoryGuay Ай бұрын
@@soundproofyourstudio apparently, the Roberts carpet glue does not harden. It stays gooey /tacky similar Visioelastic caulking.
@vinylrules4838
@vinylrules4838 5 ай бұрын
Short answer. NO
@soundproofyourstudio
@soundproofyourstudio 5 ай бұрын
True
@PearlLaneTV
@PearlLaneTV Жыл бұрын
U don’t need it. I found a tremendously cheaper option with better results than green glue. Carpet glue‼️
@soundproofyourstudio
@soundproofyourstudio Жыл бұрын
Are you sure the carpet glue didn’t just glue your two layers of drywall together making it actually less soundproof?
@PearlLaneTV
@PearlLaneTV Жыл бұрын
@@soundproofyourstudio well I haven’t done it yet, but I seen a KZfaq vid where a guy tested it against green glue and it actually outperformed the gg. It actually has almost the same consistency as gg and it never hardens so it stays kind of spongy like gg. I’ll put a link to the video.
@PearlLaneTV
@PearlLaneTV Жыл бұрын
@@soundproofyourstudio here it is kzfaq.info/get/bejne/eL1ilshkrZPXcaM.html
@soundproofyourstudio
@soundproofyourstudio Жыл бұрын
@@PearlLaneTV ah yes I have seen the Jack of All Ministeries videos. I mean you can always give it a shot. I wonder how he calculated his STC ratings and how that compares to lab tests. At the end of the day it is your money and your studio, so do what you like. I like to stick to the hard science since there are a million ways to discount every aspect of soundproofing.
@PearlLaneTV
@PearlLaneTV Жыл бұрын
@@soundproofyourstudio my build is actually in one of those sheds like the video u posted a couple weeks ago. Being that I’m only recording vocals and in a fairly quiet neighborhood, do u think the 2 layers of 5/8 no gg will be good enough isolation? And maybe even without the extra 2 layers of 5/8 in the cavities between the wall studs like u recommended? Do u think this would be a good idea?
@t.a.b.
@t.a.b. 4 ай бұрын
This guy gives those vibes off. Slience of the lambs type.... Come on! I'm joking😊
@soundproofyourstudio
@soundproofyourstudio 4 ай бұрын
Yikes
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